I’ve seen this plot a couple of times before especially on rom com manga chan. Honestly from my pov it looks like Kento was forced to accept Rin as a gf and the way she revealed her identity to him after she found out he’s a fan of her. Rin was thinking about how Kento felt and was pushing her feelings on him. It would be great if you guys could work on your male VA’s. Most of the time they sound like they’re afraid and panicking.
When Rin said that she’s not going back to the agency, what authority does the manager have to demand anything? Suddenly appearing in front of their door like that and not even a “please”?
Probably contracts and penalties on them. Normally those who put people under contract always make sure they have power over people. Probably the contract she signed does not allow her to have a boyfriend (or a presumed one) and therefore the agency must limit her losses by limiting her freedom.
nah, women are commodities in these stories. also remember that these are 'feel-good' stories for disaffected adult japanese men. :U the writers do not give a shit about her as a person XD
@@alfredobianchi80 that's Japanese idol industry in its entirety. Idols are not allowed to date anyone for the sake of "acting available" and attracting more affection. Also, there were incidents in the past when, once a rumor broke about an idol dating, that guy's house has been raided by that idol's jealous male fanbase. (Oh, this also affects vtubers and other female talents - there was once a long talk by Sora the Troll about that.)
@@alfredobianchi80 hell, US companies will pull crap like that, Disney for example use to do that, but then you find out their directors and staff/execs/etc for kids shows, pressured under age kids into very adult things and... well... you see there are multi reasons they do this crap.... as if the men there wouldnt get over their idols dating... or hell the women... its not like the majority of men have any real delusion they will get to know let alone date somebody like that... yeah your gonna have some nutters... but... i knew a famous lecturer who paid me to walk around campus to keep 2 of her stalkers who showed up everywhere she went even over seas,if it was announced in advance.. i was big enough they wouldnt approach... she also watched me put an out of line security guard up against the wall and disarmed him(removed his belt..)... after he decided to get aggressive with somebody... i didnt know it was a cute girl till after i already treated him like a drunk at the bar i bounched at for extra$ back then... when he called for backup they found him cuffed with his own cuffs, left hand to right ankle cussing at the 3 of as as we waited on a bench for them to show up. the lecturer... asked if i was free for X hours X days... and i told her i was actually free any hrs, any day, since i went in that day to ensure the f-ing horrible math class was really removed and loan money spent refunded, i could teach the class better then the dude that was ppaid to teach it.. i wish i was joking but i kept having to stop him to correct him and show him far more easy to understand ways to show people that level of math... he was direct out of uni for higher maths and.. trying to teach a low college level of math.. it was painful... genuinely painful...
A reminder that idol culture needs to change immediately. No employer has the right to dictate the terms of an employee's personal life, and ESPECIALLY not their romantic relationships; putting language into a contract and coercing young people to sign it doesn't make it legal or ethical. The only way the problem will get resolved is with legislation, which the Japanese government is LONG overdue to pass despite the issue coming up every year. In the meantime, there should be grassroots support for the increasing number of idols who are rebelling against the celibacy demands of their employing companies and insisting on being treated with the same rights and protections as any other employee in any other line of work.
@@TheLukasz032 Yes, but they can go straight to hell. It's a problem that neither requires nor desires the acceptance of the fan base and can be resolved entirely through labor-friendly legislation. Like I said, the issue comes up every year in the Diet; it's long overdue that it be taken seriously and acted upon.
No it doesn't, you don't even know what you're talking about. Idols aren't being forced to do anything if they want they can graduate and move on with their lives. The idols know what they're getting into too, it's not a secret what's expected of them, but they still choose to be idols. They could pursue other forms of entertainment but they don't. So it's a none problem. As for "It's a problem that neither requires nor desires the acceptance of the fan base", who do you think pays the bills? The fans obviously. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it has to change. You probably don't even like idol stuff anyways, you're just an outsider looking in that wants things to fit your sensibilities.
@@TentacleLord @TentacleLord This is the same stupid, toxic, unethical fallacy that American companies trot out to avoid paying their employees fairly or treating them like human beings: "You can just get a different job!" It's not that easy, and I'm sure you know it. Any form of skilled labor -- and that is EXACTLY what being an idol is -- requires an investment of time, effort, and money to gain the necessary competence to perform the job. Industries are frequently dominated by a handful of companies that are all colluding with each other, and this is ESPECIALLY true of the idol industry in Japan, which has a very small number of big agencies that run everything as an obvious oligopoly. Those idols DESERVE the exact same labor protections that are extended to EVERY OTHER WORKER. Imagine a technology company insisting that their employees cannot date, marry, or have children because it's a "distraction" from their work! They would get sued so quickly by their labor force that their lawyers wouldn't even have time to suit up for trial! Yet, for some reason that makes zero legal or ethical sense, this is EXACTLY what idol agencies demand of their own employees. I'll also remind you that the number of fans suffering from parasocial fixation on these idols make up a small fraction of their fanbase; the vast majority of people enjoy idol culture like I do: by listening to their music, watching their videos, and going about our day afterwards. They fall into the same category in my mind as any other band or performer that I enjoy, alongside AC/DC, Keanu Reeves, Mick Gordon, and Matt Mercer and his crew at Critical Role; such is a similar case for the vast majority of the idol industry's patrons. There's plenty of money to be had without the toxic fans. Besides, the health and happiness of the employees should not be sacrificed for margins, even if the modern world has totally forgotten that. You are an example of an exploited fan, to the point where you even use the preferred corporate terminology for an idol quitting their job or being fired -- "graduated" -- instead of writing in the more commonly accepted and accurate language. Idols aren't going to school at their agencies; they are employees. They leave an agency by terminating their employment, not by "graduating". Besides, if you ACTUALLY follow idol culture, you would know that there has been a decade-long campaign BY THE IDOLS THEMSELVES for better working conditions, less agency control over their lives, and an end to the parasocial exploitation of the fanbase that leads to idols being stalked, assaulted, or worse. it's time for a change, but the profit motive-driven idol industry isn't going to police itself. The problem will only get resolved through legislation that promotes and protects the rights of the idol industry labor force as a whole, with specific protections for the idols themselves.
@@Josh-99 I didn't read all that, but I did skim it, and let me tell you, you're actually in the minority on this. Yea, in the English speaking circles, you might talk to a lot of people who agree with you, but guess what? You guys are not the main fan base. You know who is? The japanese fans. You know who buys all the merch? The cds? The concert tickets? It's the japanese fans. Now, who is largely in favor of idol culture? The japanese fans, or at least the ones that spend the money, are. I do agree with you that there should be better workplace conditions, though. Now, you wanna know what the funny thing is? I'm not even really a fan of idol stuff, and I doubt you are either. Or at least you're very new to it. You just give off the vibe of those people who enter a fan group and then start demanding everything change to fit your sensibilities. Hell, I'm just going to assume that the main place you go to talk about idols, if you even do, is reddit. You seem to be very reddity.
I never understood why Idols couldn't date it makes no sense to me. Knowing that they're in a relationship with somebody, just seems to me to make them more appealing and down-to-earth.
Because in real life idol, especially Japanese or Korean Idol. Each of them forbid for having relationship with girl/boyfriend due to the strict rule by each agencies. If one idol having boy/girlfriend, the fans will angry and the idol kicked out by each of agencies. That's the dark side of being idol in Japan or South Korea.
Idol life is pretty much like it says. They need to b everyone's idol. A symbol of everyone's "dreams, hopes and love". So dating tends to harm the love aspect of a fandom, which ends up causing issues like death threats, harassment (not just the idol but the company as well), decrease in sales, etc.
idols are not like regular celebrities, idol culture is based on the fantasy of being "available" to your fan base, wouldn't people feel guilty as a fan if they started fantasizing about someone that was married or had a significant other? Idols have to remain single in public (until they retire) That's just how it is
@@kaeviernes1437 Sounds like an easy way to draw in stalkers to me. Also, if Japan wants to increase their current birth rate, then I think they should be encouraging people to seek out girls that they can actually have a chance with instead of fantasizing about a relationship that will likely never happen.
I know and the line, "...very popular and pure idol." Everyone knows Rin Ichinose may be popular but she sure isn't pure!😂 The only difference between a Japanese idol and a prostitute is that Idols get a little more money!🤣
@@rightturner562I’ve been meaning to ask about that. Do anime guys being too chicken, beta and non assertive have anything to do with the low birth rate in Japan?
@@flemingbudubiney2936 Not necessarily. There are several factors, but increasing need for workforce combined with declining population makes more woman work-oriented at least until their 30s, which contributes even more to this chain reaction (female fertility timeframe is biologically fixed and cannot be "adapted", thus late start into marriage and family life = less children born = even higher decline in population).
WTF is that ending it's so disappointingly bad it was going so well untill they said she goes back being an idol but he forbids them from having a relationship and they just agree WTF that was really anoying
The CEO finally allows them to live together but makes a condition that they must not be in a relationship. And what is the boy doing? Simple immediately asks her to be his girlfriend 🤨... and she accepts 😳 But didn't they just violate the condition set and accepted just few second before? Or maybe the condition was not to be in a physical relationship? Or did the CEO understand that if he wanted to keep the idol it was better if he ignored this violation?🤣
"physical relationship" -> keep in mind this is Japan, so they're probably not going to do that until marriage, just because of pure respect and national tradition.
@@TheLukasz032 With "physical relationship" I was thinking more about more basic things as kisses and hugs. I know Japanese people are weird with personal relationships (at least they are a lot in manga/stories/anime). Every time I wonder how it is possible for 2 people to get married and then the first night they don't even sleep (😴) in the same room, starting to have a little intimacy around the sixth month, when in the throes of excitement they start holding hands 🤝..
Well if it wasn’t for Kento sister Megu🧡 he wouldn’t have met the girl of his dreams Rin the idol💖 and let’s just say after the whole media incident them 2 became beautiful lover’s🖤❤️💍.
FINALLY a normal girl. She's don't the schools Madonna neither the most beautiful woman and the office or the hot but fiercely boss... Wait, she's an idol... Ohhh god, again? Anyway, all the MC bruhs are lucky ones lol
Oooh. I wish I can be like the mc of this episode. Dating an idol is an impossible dream but if that happens to me I'm in heaven. 😍 I wanna date Momo or Tzuyu from Twice. 😍
This right here is the problem with idol culture. It fosters parasocial relationships with people who are just signers and dancers, and the reason their employers demand celibacy from their idol employees is so people can be tricked into dreaming about dating them. It's exploitive of both the idols and their fans, and there needs to be a serious change in idol culture. Sorry to drag you out like this, but you presented an example of the problem that was too good (bad?) to ignore.
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I’ve seen this plot a couple of times before especially on rom com manga chan. Honestly from my pov it looks like Kento was forced to accept Rin as a gf and the way she revealed her identity to him after she found out he’s a fan of her. Rin was thinking about how Kento felt and was pushing her feelings on him. It would be great if you guys could work on your male VA’s. Most of the time they sound like they’re afraid and panicking.
To be fair, in most of these mangas, the guys ARE panicking most of the time
@@zimruleshumanity Yeah especially the male VA. He always sounds like he’s afraid and frightened
When Rin said that she’s not going back to the agency, what authority does the manager have to demand anything? Suddenly appearing in front of their door like that and not even a “please”?
Probably contracts and penalties on them.
Normally those who put people under contract always make sure they have power over people.
Probably the contract she signed does not allow her to have a boyfriend (or a presumed one) and therefore the agency must limit her losses by limiting her freedom.
nah, women are commodities in these stories. also remember that these are 'feel-good' stories for disaffected adult japanese men. :U the writers do not give a shit about her as a person XD
@@alfredobianchi80 that's Japanese idol industry in its entirety. Idols are not allowed to date anyone for the sake of "acting available" and attracting more affection. Also, there were incidents in the past when, once a rumor broke about an idol dating, that guy's house has been raided by that idol's jealous male fanbase. (Oh, this also affects vtubers and other female talents - there was once a long talk by Sora the Troll about that.)
@@alfredobianchi80 hell, US companies will pull crap like that, Disney for example use to do that, but then you find out their directors and staff/execs/etc for kids shows, pressured under age kids into very adult things and... well... you see there are multi reasons they do this crap.... as if the men there wouldnt get over their idols dating... or hell the women... its not like the majority of men have any real delusion they will get to know let alone date somebody like that... yeah your gonna have some nutters... but... i knew a famous lecturer who paid me to walk around campus to keep 2 of her stalkers who showed up everywhere she went even over seas,if it was announced in advance.. i was big enough they wouldnt approach... she also watched me put an out of line security guard up against the wall and disarmed him(removed his belt..)... after he decided to get aggressive with somebody... i didnt know it was a cute girl till after i already treated him like a drunk at the bar i bounched at for extra$ back then... when he called for backup they found him cuffed with his own cuffs, left hand to right ankle cussing at the 3 of as as we waited on a bench for them to show up. the lecturer... asked if i was free for X hours X days... and i told her i was actually free any hrs, any day, since i went in that day to ensure the f-ing horrible math class was really removed and loan money spent refunded, i could teach the class better then the dude that was ppaid to teach it.. i wish i was joking but i kept having to stop him to correct him and show him far more easy to understand ways to show people that level of math... he was direct out of uni for higher maths and.. trying to teach a low college level of math.. it was painful... genuinely painful...
A reminder that idol culture needs to change immediately. No employer has the right to dictate the terms of an employee's personal life, and ESPECIALLY not their romantic relationships; putting language into a contract and coercing young people to sign it doesn't make it legal or ethical.
The only way the problem will get resolved is with legislation, which the Japanese government is LONG overdue to pass despite the issue coming up every year. In the meantime, there should be grassroots support for the increasing number of idols who are rebelling against the celibacy demands of their employing companies and insisting on being treated with the same rights and protections as any other employee in any other line of work.
There is a problem with that: Japanese male fanbases. Sora the Troll already explained that issue in one of his livestreams.
@@TheLukasz032 Yes, but they can go straight to hell. It's a problem that neither requires nor desires the acceptance of the fan base and can be resolved entirely through labor-friendly legislation.
Like I said, the issue comes up every year in the Diet; it's long overdue that it be taken seriously and acted upon.
No it doesn't, you don't even know what you're talking about. Idols aren't being forced to do anything if they want they can graduate and move on with their lives. The idols know what they're getting into too, it's not a secret what's expected of them, but they still choose to be idols. They could pursue other forms of entertainment but they don't. So it's a none problem. As for "It's a problem that neither requires nor desires the acceptance of the fan base", who do you think pays the bills? The fans obviously. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it has to change. You probably don't even like idol stuff anyways, you're just an outsider looking in that wants things to fit your sensibilities.
@@TentacleLord @TentacleLord This is the same stupid, toxic, unethical fallacy that American companies trot out to avoid paying their employees fairly or treating them like human beings: "You can just get a different job!"
It's not that easy, and I'm sure you know it. Any form of skilled labor -- and that is EXACTLY what being an idol is -- requires an investment of time, effort, and money to gain the necessary competence to perform the job. Industries are frequently dominated by a handful of companies that are all colluding with each other, and this is ESPECIALLY true of the idol industry in Japan, which has a very small number of big agencies that run everything as an obvious oligopoly.
Those idols DESERVE the exact same labor protections that are extended to EVERY OTHER WORKER. Imagine a technology company insisting that their employees cannot date, marry, or have children because it's a "distraction" from their work! They would get sued so quickly by their labor force that their lawyers wouldn't even have time to suit up for trial! Yet, for some reason that makes zero legal or ethical sense, this is EXACTLY what idol agencies demand of their own employees.
I'll also remind you that the number of fans suffering from parasocial fixation on these idols make up a small fraction of their fanbase; the vast majority of people enjoy idol culture like I do: by listening to their music, watching their videos, and going about our day afterwards. They fall into the same category in my mind as any other band or performer that I enjoy, alongside AC/DC, Keanu Reeves, Mick Gordon, and Matt Mercer and his crew at Critical Role; such is a similar case for the vast majority of the idol industry's patrons.
There's plenty of money to be had without the toxic fans. Besides, the health and happiness of the employees should not be sacrificed for margins, even if the modern world has totally forgotten that.
You are an example of an exploited fan, to the point where you even use the preferred corporate terminology for an idol quitting their job or being fired -- "graduated" -- instead of writing in the more commonly accepted and accurate language. Idols aren't going to school at their agencies; they are employees. They leave an agency by terminating their employment, not by "graduating".
Besides, if you ACTUALLY follow idol culture, you would know that there has been a decade-long campaign BY THE IDOLS THEMSELVES for better working conditions, less agency control over their lives, and an end to the parasocial exploitation of the fanbase that leads to idols being stalked, assaulted, or worse.
it's time for a change, but the profit motive-driven idol industry isn't going to police itself. The problem will only get resolved through legislation that promotes and protects the rights of the idol industry labor force as a whole, with specific protections for the idols themselves.
@@Josh-99 I didn't read all that, but I did skim it, and let me tell you, you're actually in the minority on this. Yea, in the English speaking circles, you might talk to a lot of people who agree with you, but guess what? You guys are not the main fan base. You know who is? The japanese fans. You know who buys all the merch? The cds? The concert tickets? It's the japanese fans. Now, who is largely in favor of idol culture? The japanese fans, or at least the ones that spend the money, are. I do agree with you that there should be better workplace conditions, though. Now, you wanna know what the funny thing is? I'm not even really a fan of idol stuff, and I doubt you are either. Or at least you're very new to it. You just give off the vibe of those people who enter a fan group and then start demanding everything change to fit your sensibilities. Hell, I'm just going to assume that the main place you go to talk about idols, if you even do, is reddit. You seem to be very reddity.
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I never understood why Idols couldn't date it makes no sense to me. Knowing that they're in a relationship with somebody, just seems to me to make them more appealing and down-to-earth.
Because in real life idol, especially Japanese or Korean Idol. Each of them forbid for having relationship with girl/boyfriend due to the strict rule by each agencies. If one idol having boy/girlfriend, the fans will angry and the idol kicked out by each of agencies.
That's the dark side of being idol in Japan or South Korea.
Having a job like that seems very... Not worth it.
Idol life is pretty much like it says.
They need to b everyone's idol. A symbol of everyone's "dreams, hopes and love".
So dating tends to harm the love aspect of a fandom, which ends up causing issues like death threats, harassment (not just the idol but the company as well), decrease in sales, etc.
idols are not like regular celebrities, idol culture is based on the fantasy of being "available" to your fan base, wouldn't people feel guilty as a fan if they started fantasizing about someone that was married or had a significant other? Idols have to remain single in public (until they retire) That's just how it is
@@kaeviernes1437 Sounds like an easy way to draw in stalkers to me. Also, if Japan wants to increase their current birth rate, then I think they should be encouraging people to seek out girls that they can actually have a chance with instead of fantasizing about a relationship that will likely never happen.
Sister is best wingman ever
Sometimes these stories makes me shout "stop being a pussy!"
I know and the line, "...very popular and pure idol." Everyone knows Rin Ichinose may be popular but she sure isn't pure!😂 The only difference between a Japanese idol and a prostitute is that Idols get a little more money!🤣
@@rightturner562I’ve been meaning to ask about that. Do anime guys being too chicken, beta and non assertive have anything to do with the low birth rate in Japan?
@@flemingbudubiney2936 Not necessarily. There are several factors, but increasing need for workforce combined with declining population makes more woman work-oriented at least until their 30s, which contributes even more to this chain reaction (female fertility timeframe is biologically fixed and cannot be "adapted", thus late start into marriage and family life = less children born = even higher decline in population).
@@TheLukasz032 I see
Heyyyy everyone
Caught this one fast!
Man gets an aggresive idol girlfriend
WTF is that ending it's so disappointingly bad it was going so well untill they said she goes back being an idol but he forbids them from having a relationship and they just agree WTF that was really anoying
Exactly, very dissatisfied.
She could always pull Rise Kujikawa, who's secretly dating her Senpai without fail since they started dating during the timeline of Persona 4 Golden.
Hello there
Ah, the negotiator.
General Kenobi
The CEO finally allows them to live together but makes a condition that they must not be in a relationship.
And what is the boy doing?
Simple immediately asks her to be his girlfriend 🤨... and she accepts 😳
But didn't they just violate the condition set and accepted just few second before?
Or maybe the condition was not to be in a physical relationship?
Or did the CEO understand that if he wanted to keep the idol it was better if he ignored this violation?🤣
"physical relationship" -> keep in mind this is Japan, so they're probably not going to do that until marriage, just because of pure respect and national tradition.
@@TheLukasz032 With "physical relationship" I was thinking more about more basic things as
kisses and hugs.
I know Japanese people are weird with personal relationships (at least they are a lot in manga/stories/anime).
Every time I wonder how it is possible for 2 people to get married and then the first night they don't even sleep (😴) in the same room, starting to have a little intimacy around the sixth month, when in the throes of excitement they start holding hands 🤝..
Rinrin as a student.😮
My dude literally was like "fuck what YOu want girl, what about your fans?!"
Well if it wasn’t for Kento sister Megu🧡 he wouldn’t have met the girl of his dreams Rin the idol💖 and let’s just say after the whole media incident them 2 became beautiful lover’s🖤❤️💍.
the president literally was like 'reality doesn't matter, what matters is our bottom line" XD
Rinrin never been going to High School before?😢
FINALLY a normal girl. She's don't the schools Madonna neither the most beautiful woman and the office or the hot but fiercely boss... Wait, she's an idol... Ohhh god, again? Anyway, all the MC bruhs are lucky ones lol
Yu-Gi-Oh arc v vibes here with the name and nickname
Very good
Mc Is A Chicken 🐔 😂😂
his voice sounds like he’s afraid and he’s panicking.
Bro im on the climax then... "WELCOME TO RAID SHADOW LEGENDS"
The only thing that disturbs me with these stories is that the males are so timid!
Is there 'your name' theme music in this video ? Or my imagination
Clark kent glasses
scool close to the zim spelling
✍️ Glasses TOTALLY hide who you are and make you look 1000% different
geez c'mon man don't be a wuss
ARF ARF NYAA NYAA MEOWWWWW DADDDDDWY~~~
Oooh. I wish I can be like the mc of this episode. Dating an idol is an impossible dream but if that happens to me I'm in heaven. 😍 I wanna date Momo or Tzuyu from Twice. 😍
This right here is the problem with idol culture. It fosters parasocial relationships with people who are just signers and dancers, and the reason their employers demand celibacy from their idol employees is so people can be tricked into dreaming about dating them.
It's exploitive of both the idols and their fans, and there needs to be a serious change in idol culture.
Sorry to drag you out like this, but you presented an example of the problem that was too good (bad?) to ignore.
Cute
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Why tf are there so many fucking chapters
Scool
I don't agree with that.