1915 Ford Model T Stock Engine Dyno Horsepower Test
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- @MerlinsOldSchoolGarage is at it with his innovative ideas and magic! He decides to get the ultimate horsepower out of this 1915 Model T Runabout but he wants to ensure he is actually gaining with this swap. With Brian Macy's help at the EFI Store he is able to dyno the Model T to see how much HP this Model T has!
Absolutely fascinating to see these old cars not only driving around, but doing dyno pulls. Incredible work you're doing.
I am wondering which tire manufacturer still does provide tires for those old cars ?
Does anyone know ?
@@Herzankerkreuz67 Coker Tires makes vintage tired
Food for thought, my neighbor has a little lawn tractor that is rated at 26hp. While am sure that is output shaft hp it's still more than that Model T made.
@@Herzankerkreuz67 Check out antique car clubs in your area and usually they can direct you to a supplier.
@@Herzankerkreuz67there's a million model t still on the road today of course you can buy tires for them. People think model t are rare and fragile they're the opposite
All I heard were the gears clashing. I’m 81 so I got a tip for you DOUBLE CLUTCH. Even my long gone grandad could double clutch his 1931 Ford flat bed truck. I rode with him many times and never heard gear clash. He even took me hill climbing but missed second gear so we rode backward about a 100 ft and the mechanical brakes stopped our wild ride. His truck was a stake side used for his plumbing business. This was back in 1950.
If you watched the video you would know that the model T has no "gears" to clash, it is two speed direct drive with separate clutches for 1, 2, and reverse, kind of similar to a modern dual clutch automatic, but with a lot less parts, and no gear selector mechanism.
model t can’t double clutch i don’t think
@@adamcousins2459 I drove a 27 model T roadster, the fancy one with the two speed diff. Once you got up to about 30mph it became clear that brakes were regarded as an optional after thought. I can't imagine going 55mph which the roadster could get to. A 26 Buick while more luxurious wasn't much better for braking. BTW on the Buick I found it far easier to shift without using the clutch. The owner of both cars always wanted me to drive the Buick whenever I was around.
Model Ts don't have a disc clutch and don't have sliding gear transmissions. The "clutch" in a T is a belt engagement/disengagement similar to a snowmobile but without an automatic change of ratio, so there is no gear clashing. EDIT: Never mind - there's a Model A there as well...
53 hp 119lbs torque. More than I thought. That thing will go down the road nicely.
More than my 1980 MK II Escort! That was 54hp at the crank.
I've seen many vehicles on the dyno but this is by far the best one yet. 13HP, gotta love it!
You could pretty much tie a Model T to the dyno with a couple of tarp straps.
Your face when it first lit off was worth the price of admission sir. We always doubt our skills, but when they fire right up, we are always a little boy with a toy.
I was guessing 80 lbs ft of torque before the test - was totally surprised you got 90.
Wowsers!,driving a 100plus year old car is extremely complex!
The steering gear isn't self-centering either.
You not only have to crank the wheel around a corner, but you have to crank it back again too.
The wheels will swell up as soon as they get to a place that knows what humidity above 10% is.
Mr. Merlin will get the job done on his Model "T's" & Model "A's" a super guy, my dad and grandpa would love you. I remember the good old days riding in those cars, back in the 40's. Thank You for taking care of them.
That clutch was designed with a a slide rule and calipers, amazing tech for the day.
My older brother, a retired forester, still uses his slide rule on occasion. I have to admire him for that.
And feed back from factory testing ,customers and dealers
@@georgevindo I use to size artwork with a, proportion wheel, for half-tone prints for paste ups.
Hey ! Sliderules weren’t that long ago. ;-) from 1967 until ‘72 for me, when calculators came way down in price.
@@gregquinn6827 Back in the late 70s to the mid-80s, I used a proportion wheel to size artwork for halftone prints for paste up. Then, Adobe and computers came on the scene and that was the end of the proportion wheel, everything was created on a computer, from there on in.
Don't get rid of those worn out wheels!! If you're not replacing the wooden spokes, the old timers fix is to add shims between the spoke ends and the rim. Both opposing sides will need to be shimmed for balancing. The shim fits right behind the shoulder that should butt up against the metal rim. I helped a Model T owner with this once in my Blacksmith shop. He made a special tool that expanded between the hub and the rim and I made the shims in my forge. It worked perfectly!!
I was amazed at how straight and true the spinning wheels were on the dyno.
I saw another video that said originally it was expected that the car would forge streams and being wet would swell the wood keeping the wheel tight. I wouldn't recommend it today as the water would damage those valuable examples of the past. As dry as that wood is, I suspect your approach of shimming the wheels would last a very long time.
@@denawiltsie4412 -- In dry hot climates the shims work out better. He lives in Lake Havasu I believe. Doesn't get much hotter and dryer than there, LOL. Soaking the wooden wheels wouldn't last very long, especially in summer. The guy I helped lived in Eastern Oregon, another dry desert climate. Shims were definitely the best fix and worked well on his Model T, which he drives all the time including a trip to the Henry Ford museum. The main thing is to shim the opposite spoke on the other side of the wheel for balance, whether it needed it or not. That's why he built an expanding tool that fit between the center hub and rim. It would expand the rim a little bit away from the wooden spoke which has a shoulder that fits tight against the rim. In this newly created space we put in the shim. I made the shims in my forge then made a rod to fit into the anvil hardy hole that the wheel hub went onto to hold the wheel while we worked on it.
He is next to the Colorado river so it's not exactly dry but compared to other parts of the country, it is pretty dry. That is why I agree it's best over the long term to avoid water and use an approach like yours.
As a side note, I am in the Phoenix area and the property up wind was a farmers field. Coming home in the evening I could feel the temperature shift as I passed by the field. At 8% relative humidity, the air is hungry for moisture and wood quickly reaches the point where dry wood termites don't like it.
I talked to an old timer who told me that back in the day that they would boil wooden spoke wheels in oil. I don't recall what type of oil they used. I have seen people use razor blades to shim in between the spokes.
Only you would put a model T on a dyno I love it!
They didn't call them the horseless carriage for nothing. 😊
You can always count on a great adventure when you hang out with merlin's old school garage. With all that's going on you take the time to show us through video, For that sir you are a hero.
That is pretty darned impressive for 1915. The model A was not shabby either. It will be interesting to see what the new engine will pull.
The T engine is stock, never been rebuilt? I saw they had about 20hp when new? 13hp is not a lot for a car. My grandfather learned to drive in a Model T in the 1920s/30s. He told a story of somebody (I can't remember if it was him) attempting to park in the garage and accidentally driving through the end wall. They were tricky cars to drive.
Well once again Merlin,you waved the magic 🪄,and you have different engine for your model T . Thanks for taking us subscribers along for the ride. Love the channel. Keep up the great work.👍✌️😎😁🍀🍀🍀🍀🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Hey Merlin,
That was a fun video.
Who would of thunk those engines could run so good to make that kind of HP.
I am 75 years old but still too young to have been around in the hay day of the model T and the A bones.
Thank you for sharing the workings and tricks of enjoying those great old Hot Rods.
Take Care
I'm a mere 70, but I had the wonderful experience of helping my dad's cousin restore a 15 Model T back in 1964, when I was 11/12. To this day, I have wanted a T, but never quite got around to actually buying one, altho I have had a few opportunities. Watching this was a trip back in time for me.
Interesting to Dyno test those old cars. Looking forward to the follow on tests.
Thanks. Never saw one on a dyno. The big improvement over the horse was the distance, length of operation time and you didn't have to feed it when it wasn't in use. Of course the first two were regulated by the tires.
So cool to watch these 100 yr old motors come back to life. Get damn near as excited as Merlin! Lol
Send the old Model T Wheels to @EnglesCoachShop, he can fix wood wheels like no ones business! Heck, it would be a heck of a video series for you to drive up to Montana to his shop!
Very cool, I never knew the horse power was so strong for way back then
It's a good thing that you are keeping the knowledge about those old Model A's and model T's alive. They are both simple and complex at the same time. If I had been born back when they were the common car of the day I think I would have had to either just walked everywhere or stayed with a Horse. Very glad that the technology has advanced so I am able to drive. One thing I do regret about the more modern vehicles is that today it's almost impossible to find a car or passenger truck or pickup with a manual transmission. I really do enjoy driving vehicles with manual transmissions in them. I have a 2005 Dodge Dakota with a 3.9 V6 and a 5 Speed trans and a 2015 Ford Focus with a straight 4 Cylinder and a 5 speed trans in it. Really like both of them.
A 100 years ago I don't think they worried about hp they just wanted to get to point A to B and great video keep up the good work God bless from GA stay safe
Hey Merlon, I had heard stories many years ago from Model T owners where I grew up (Long Beach Model T Club) about them doing a hydraulic brake conversion using a Girling (UK) system with 8-inch drums. The most common source for these back then was from a scrapped Nash/AMC Metropolitan. That is because the Metropolitans were actually built at the Austin factory in the UK for Nash Motors starting in 1953 and ending production in 1961. I have several "Mets", a couple of MG's and 2 Land Cruisers. I have old Parts catalogs going back to the 50's to source parts mainly for my LBC's (little British cars). Just thought if you are going to triple the horsepower of this T, you might want to improve the stopping power. I plan on putting an MGB engine in my '62 Met hardtop, doubling the hp rating. This will require me to do a front disc conversion sourcing parts from an MG Midget. Always informative and entertaining. Cheers!
If you tripple the HP of a model T the crankshaft is going to fix the stopping power, ie twont go far!
You're not going to add too much more horsepower without putting in a high performance crank & block. Those cars back then was doing good pulling 20 horsepower out of, without doing the modification you are suggesting.
@@timlee4204
Beginning late in the manufacturing run, in late '26 or early 1927, Ford began putting Vanadium Steel crankshafts in all of his engines, replacing the cast iron.
This continued for these engines, until they stopped making replacement and stationary Model T engines, in 1941 or 42.
Moreover, these same steel cracks were standard, in all of the model A, 4 cylinder engines.
MG Midget brakes are nothing special. You’d be better with Mini drums running hard shoes and a remote brake booster.
@@davidelliott5843 only thing is, that engine isn't going to produce enough vacuum for a normal booster, could go with electric booster, but that would be time consuming.
Model T’s are some of the most fun you’ll ever have behind the wheel. It’s completely different from anything else out there.
Great video!! I'm still amazed by these old cars! The simplicity and dependability is awesome. I really love seeing these old cars come back to life. You do a wonderful job Merlin!! Thank you for letting us be a part of this adventure!!!
Love it, love it, love IT!!! Can't wait to see what the new motor does. It's great to see the huge smile on your face for all that horse power. See you next time, CHEERS 🍻!!!
Thank you for keeping these models A & Ts roadworthy! I see the love you have for these vintage automobiles! You could start your own old school horse less club and have many members! Merlin, you know we love the content you give us and look for it each and every week. Til next time, see you then. 😊
Love to start my Sundays with MOSG & learning the Ford alphabet Model A & Modle T funny motors sound different. Your knowledge on these 100 plus automobiles. I know the family that sold you the Model A are so happy they sold it to the right guy & enjoying see it still on the road.
Wow the torque from the T was incredible. . More grunt to power than a modern diesel.
Yep, my 58’ landrover is max torque at 1250 rpm I think? It does not go quick, but I had all four wheels spinning in the field the other week with a trailer behind it. I like old engines :o)
That's what stood out to me also. Pretty impressive
You are an artist. You could probably count on one hand how many guys like yourself are out there preserving this awesome part of automotive history, and doing it 👍🏻.
I feel like 'artist' is an understatement. Master or genius still doesn't do justice.
My Grandfather Used To Talk About Working On T's And Pouring Babbitt Bearings And Such...Thanks To You And Strong's Garage... I'm Getting To See It ! Thanks For Sharing Y'all ! 🙂🧂
Recorded for posterity, way to go Merlin. Will be interesting to compare the "improved" engine.
8:1 out of a Model T 😲😲 Sounds amazing
I guess with all that new power you will be able to some brake stands......😂😂😂
Awesomeness at it's best! Never seen someone tweaking these old cars like yourself, nice.
Thank you for taking us along.
37:36 is where it’s finally dyno’d and the value is shown. There is no additional data provided, no graph, just a pan to the screen. It’s 12.9hp peak.
I have never seen a model A or T on a dyno ever before. I'll come back to see how the new engine goes
I LOVE THIS! Can’t wait to see that hot hod motor installed.
MERLIN YOU ARE A BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE YOU ARE A MASTER OF YOUR CRAFT
In this week's episode, Old cars on the dyno! Only on Merlin's Garage! You'll see the thrills and spills of 13 horsepower!
Honestly, it's fun to see a brass T on a dyno. You learn what works and what doesn't. I expected more timing to have more impact than it did. It'll be good to see what you have after the engine swap. Better get better brakes, though!
Good baseline for each car. very impressive as they both run great. "Henry" would be proud of you tinkering and saving this old iron.
Ironically, in 1970 the Ford Escort fitted with the single carb 1.3 litre kent motor produced 55hp. Now that's progress. Good on you Ford. 🙂 Seriously though, I had to laugh at 12.9hp. I didn't think a dyno would go that low. Great video!
Those crossflow engines are sweet, had a fair few, so reliable.
@@MHLivestreams they are. My first vehicle had one and a few after that. My brother put a 1600 into a Mk1 UK Escort van. I sold it to him when I had a bad work accident. You had to hammer out the sump on the 1300 sump as the 1600 one was too big. The con rod bolts would hit the sump. We took that engine out over six times, pulled the sump and put it back in. In the end we could get it out and reinstall it and get it started in less than an hour.
Great physiotherapy as I was still not walking and standing, sitting, lying, just hanging out and wrenching was great therapy. Recently I got one running in a car that has been sitting for near on 20 years. You never forget the sound of an engine that was in your first car. Still love watching TH-cam videos of car resurrections, every one of them was once someone's first car, first new car, first car they rode in, first car they drove. In effect they are automotive dreams reborn.
@@Smurphenstein a good MK1 shell is £20,000 now, had to sell my 13xl when the Mrs went. Ah well, that's life, my brother! At least we had fun.
A Mk1 1300 XL manual in sweet cream and with red interior is the one I got going recently@@MHLivestreams. It was restored 15 to 20 years ago then sat. Still needs brakes, a good clean, waterpump, etc. Sadly the owner has little motivation to regularly run or drive it now and it will probably be sold at some stage. It's still taxed after all these years.
@@Smurphenstein see if you can get it yourself? Mine was creamy yellow with brown interior, 32000miles genuine one owner. Damn! That's life. Wanted to do it white with rostyle wheels, like a twin cam. I love those cars, great front wheel lifting fun with some good bilstein shockers.
Thumbs up great video ,isn't anything you can't get going again
Santa came early for you. He delivered horsepower at the dyno!
It's just awesome to watch you build and start up those engine's Merlin you are amazing! Merry Christmas y'all!
I only knew one other person who was into those "Motel-T's". I am not sure if you ever heard of "Mor-Drop-Axles" in Oakland California, But I worked there when I was in High School. We were producing the dropped front "Axles" for all of the early "Fords", I even Dropped the tube front Axle that was in my 1935 Dodge coupe. I sure did learn a lot what it's like working in a "Black-Smith" Shop There is a learning curve that sticks with you all of the time. Thanks you people do good work.
I have a '14 Touring with a stock rebuilt engine. It definitely feels like 20 hp but the torque is impressive even at low rpm.
The torque is surprising.
I love learning about the old model T's and A's, Merlin. Thanks for keeping this bit of history alive! My grandfather was a Ford mechanic. I wish I had known enough to ask him for stories.
Love watching you play with 100 yr old stuff
I love your little helper. He's a little cutie pup
You amaze me thanks for sharing 😀👍
Right when the stroker motor fired up you could tell it has way more power just by the sound of it. 1915 cam lope lol. Great work Merlin and huge thank you for keeping these old engines alive and on the road. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Wild Merlin, wild! You got a real ripper in that Model A, love it! Can’t wait to see the upgrade on the Model T.
Leave it to Merlin to dyno a Model T... Man, I love this channel.
You do some really cool stuff.
Thanks for sharing.
I own a '39 LaSalle. I'm now interested to see what it can put down. Those motors were marketed at 120 hp at the crank. However, a torque number has never been provided by GM, and I'm pretty sure no one has had a LaSalle on a dyno.
Love the video, man. You earned a subscriber.
5:00 I reckon those vintage timber spoked wheels looked far better than the larger wheels you've replaced them with.
Tbh to me, those new wheels are not in keeping with the look of that car, appear more kinda like carbon fibre e-bike wheels.
You don't consider that in the dry desert conditions of Havasu, perhaps your wooden spokes have just dried out, shrinking accordingly, as timber does have a tendency to?
It might be an idea to seek advice from a local cabinet maker, or wooden boat builder, for their advice on mitigating the local arid conditions in Arizona on wooden constructions.
Maybe treat the wood to a good soak for a while in a sympathetic furniture oil, or some suchlike, to nourish & swell the wood, bringing your spokes back into their operating spec.
Imo it'd be a damned shame to see authentic 100year old wooden Model T wheels survive till now, only to be left out to rot in your yard.
Hearing the old banger trying to start up, reminds me of Mel Blanc, when he would do the sound of Jack Benny’s Maxwell, trying to start up, lol.
Hah hah! The dyno pulls were pretty impressive! I was kind of surprised at the Model A myself, since most of those run about 35-40 hp., but that one must have been done right! The Model T was pretty much in the ball park at 12-13 hp. That 90 lbs. of torque though was crazy!😄 Curious to see how it likes that new engine!😉
Merlin looks like a one man band starting a model t engine on the garage floor. LOVE IT!
Well, I got my daily dose of, “Vitamin T,” this morning.
Back when Ford made engines to last. Really cool to see some of the internals of this Iconic car
Why wouldn't a person want to dyno a Model T?
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
I spotted the Sun Electric engine diagnostic/tune up equipment there against the wall there. My old man, god rest him, worked as a salesman for Sun here in the UK for about 30 years.
I so enjoy your escapades and adventures. A lot oh knowledge in that skull of yours indeed! Thanks for taking us along. That hopped up motor actually sounds pretty sweet.
Cool picture Merlin of the old model t and A the Dino awesome stuff 53HP😮 sweet be safe ✌️
Merlin - always happy to find some Model T wrenching on the MOSG. This might get me to break the 25 Touring out for lunch today.
I saw you on VGG this week. This was the first episode I've watched, and I thought it was awesome! Look forward to watching more.
That's something I never thought I'd see. Way cool
Dillinger and Clyde Barrow are somewhere smiling about them numbers!!!
Couple tips Merlin: try soaking those old wood rims in antifreeze (grandpa always soaked his wood hammer handles, they swell up and don't shrink back)
Ketchup or vinegar will renew your copper just like that spray.
I've found a chemical called evaporust.(it reacts like vinegar, but doesn't smell as bad). It's meant for removing rust but it also works well on aluminum corrosion, and might do the same for copper. I'm just not a fan of the vinegar smell, and will avoid it whenever possible.
@@ryurc3033 while it smells it is very safe compared to all the chemicals ;)
I love watching you and Jimmy both a wealth of knowledge
Hey that was great seein' the model A and the model T on the dyno
My name is Gary using my wife’s phone. Loved the video. Those old wobbly wooden wheels may not be junk. Soak them in some water and they will swell up. My grandfather told stories and other old people that had Ts, of driving the car in the river on a long trip to let the spokes swell up. That car has been in dry climate for a long time there isn’t any moisture in that wood. It might save them.
Very cool . I always wondered if this had ever been done.
Thanks for making
A standard stock Model A engine was rated at 60 SAE HP and 165-190 ft/lbs of torque. With the upgrades, the engine may make 75+ HP, then the transmission and rear axle losses (22HP is very good for 1929) gives 53 HP net HP. The 1915 Model T engine was rated at 20-22 SAE HP and the losses in the planetary transmission and rear axle. If you get 14 NET rear wheel HP, that is outstanding. The 1925 Model T was rated at 35 SAE HP or the VERY RARE Model T "Speedster" (roadster) at 45 net HP, and it would top-speed at 55-58 MPH, which in the tiny lightweight Speedster feels like 170 MPH in a "modern" automobile. Despite the Model T engine's very low (3.5:1 to 4.1:1) compression ratio, the head design makes it extremely "knock" prone, so timing becomes critical. Just a tiny bit too much advance will reduce the HP, and you really need 7 grams per gallon tetraethyl lead to protect the valves, and 92 Octane fuel. A pre-WW I Model T that would do 40 MPH on an excellent paved road isn't common. My Mother's Dad had a 1924 Model T Fordor Sedan that would do 42-45 MPH on Arkansaw #10 Highway on gasoline or 35 MPH on kerosene. Their 1929 Dark Rooster Green Model A Tudor Sedan (with bad timing gear and chain) would make about 62 MPH going down #10 to Danville, until the timing "jumped" and dropped it back to 40-45 MPH. A Model A's factory water pump seals leak like a fire hydrant above 45 MPH.
Excellent video!
I can’t wait till we all graduate from “ Merlin’s Old School” school.
I had the distinct privilege at about 17 when in a parade in Estes Park Co. I got a ride then an opportunity to drive a model T. What a change from my then ‘62 Chevy 2 nova 😅😂🤣🏫❤️🙏😎🤙🛻💨
Good stuff Merlin. Thanks for taking us back in time.
Awesome video Merlin!
A man named Sam Gilbertson of Montevideo MN told my dad to heat up linseed oil and paint old dried out T spokes to help rejuvenate them. At the time Sam had a 1912 T touring. Dad tried it and had success.
Great job. Thank you 😊
Great video glad you shared it with us 🎉
Awesome! Congrats!
Fine job, it sounds real good!
This video does my heart and mind good today! Thank you
Great video, looking forward to the next one
Now this was a very coo video. Thanks for the great video❤
love the old car videos man you rock
Cheers mate, cool vid!
I love this video. I put together a 1917 Model T (from parts) when I was around 13. It was pretty fast with a 2-speed rear end (Ruxel axle?). Great fun!
Purple power degreaser works well to take off tarnish
I ran my great grand fathers 1916 Model T down 1/8 miles drag track in September, 2hacks garage made a video of it.
One of the coolest videos I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing 👍
Just stumbled across this channel. Awesome.
Great video! Always an education with your show. Thanks.
I appreciate that you are not afraid to tackle any project!