CORRECTION: Sorry misread the Krieg Alchemist, it's only a 6+ FNP against mortal wounds. Which is a bit rubbish unfortunately... Thanks for spotting that, I'll make sure I get it right for the main review! There was also one small change on the dorn statline I missed - the co-axial autocannon now hits on a 4+ like all the rest.
@@gromenawuer1 nor removed from the codex as it was never in the codex unfortunately, it was a forgeworld thing, and so 99.9% chance its legends. Edit: he even mentioned it in forgeworld section
Just had a friend/fellow guardsman buy a whole load of Scions for Bridgehead because he thought it would be cool to deepstrke an entire army. I'm not sure I can break the news to him...
Basic Guard squads being dropped and all the regiment specific ones not having a Heavy Weapon in them is possibly the biggest shake-up to the army. Also means that literally every single longtime Guard player will have to reorganise their entire army I'm sure that'll go down well
Yeah, its a bit of a shame especially given the fun/interesting death korps heavy weapons in my view, would have been interesting having the heavy flamer in an engineer squad barrelling up the field, or heavy stubbers in defensive blobs. Oh well.
If you haven’t gotten the use out of those 20-30 year old imperial guard models by now, that’s your own fault. I have an imperial guard army from 20 years ago and it has been evolving as the rules have changed but it doesn’t matter that the unit doesn’t have a heavy weapon squad. I just call them cadian shock troops because they are, and I put the missile launchers on some 50 mm bases.
The profile in the Rogal Dorn did change for the Coaxial Autocannon, going to BS 4+ (currently 3+) Bullgryns are 3+ SV instead of 4+. Artillery like Basilisk and Manticore lose "Heavy" on their weapons.
It's still 3+ on the Commander data sheet at 22:25. Seems weird to have it be different there but then again the Co-axial being 3+ when everything else is 4+ was weird to begin with
Bummer the Basilisk hitting on 3+ was nice, they don't do tons of damage, but the slow is devastating for any slow moving army like Necrons, Votann, and Custodes.
I abandoned caring what the codex restrictions on astra militarum units a couple of releases ago. Its too painful having to restructure that many men in that many units because they juggled everything again. My solution. Use the classic structures and characters modified and play only close mates narratively
I a sad pathetic day when players have to make up their own rules to be able to enjoy this game, GW just fucking hates seeing guard win and will crush us into the dirt until our win rate is nothing. I am not buying another GW model for any game system utnil they learn how to not fuck with their customers for fun.
@wesleyw7908 he loves the top 1% of their player base who have the luxury to play the game all the time, and not the rest of us who play when we can we work 2 fucking jobs. Comparing the health of the game based on high levels tournament players is always dumb as fuck. It would be like assuming that all Americans are amazing athletes as peak fitness because they win the Olympics
INB4 Straken and Harker's kids start coming out the woodwork to take their place. Because you know they probably propagated their bloodline far and wide.
If you bought a whole bunch of guard models for their rules with the codex less than a month away and then were surprised when the rules changed, then that's on you.
Such a shame with the Scions. The one with the flamer was the biggest badass in all of 40k. The others could have parachutes in their backpacks, but the one with the flamer only had his tanks. So he most likely jumped out of the Valkyrie, yelling "FOR THE EMPEROR!" while slowing himself down with the flamethrower.
@Zoggest Best approach. Better to have an army you genuinely like through thick and thin. I know it's not always easy, but still the better option I'd say.
@@tomasdawe9379 Though a shame, if your models got you 20 years of play then you did alright there. Same happened with my Land Speeders but I still play them.
@@kujatanet2390No to Command Squad in Aquillons. For Priority Drop, maybe. I personally think yes given the wording (which would mean 1 big unit can still drop) but have seen others say no.
As someone with an Elysian army, who went to scions to keep playing my army, deep strike being limited to the very bad (damage output) aquilons is infuriating.
Honestly GW really doesn't like fun so i say keep your army as is unless you really want to do official things. I mean they've just about pissed players from every single faction off at this point.
Scions can only be an army in Bridgehead.... and now have to use Taurox primes to do anything. but the stratagems don't help Taurox spam. and if you want to do Taurox spam want Mechanzied assault so you get more transport based strats. Oh and they nerfed leman russ demolisher and kept Rogal dorns being under costed and better in every way. Gee I wonder why.
Demolisher being nerfed is fine. It was far and away the best choice against any target, which is dumb. The Rogal Dorn went up in points and lost the amazing ablative rule.
Ive not played since 5th edition...it kinda feels like the character of the armies is gone...in favour of "balance" Being a DA player and guard player, I've never had a well balanced codex But now i dont have balance or character...10 ed is soo bleugh
10th is horrid. 9th arcs was pretty good. I think all they needed to do was NOT legend everything ever and just toned down the strats and did the whole lethal hits keywords to make it easier. But my god losing all subfactions plus the table to create ur own and relics and points and locked squad sizes it's just trash.
Detachments in general are trash. I miss the subfactions and the table.....I'm sorry guard removing the regular squad was a completely scummy move....and that just made me totally lose hope for my remaining army (my poor badmoons got ruined this edition and aren't even represented correctly/at all....) detachments r garbage. Hot garbage focused on two kits to make u buy a crapton....so what now theres only fkn 3 regiments??? So stupid....I'm so glad I didn't get guard.....but seeing this I know my drukhari r screwed. I was hoping they'd keep the court and beast master so it's for sure gone when our dex drops unless a miracle happens and they make a box.....remember when gw pushed kitbashes....this "no box no datasheet" shit is fkn awful.
Some people seem to be under the impression that the "shaken" keyeord will stack. It does not. A unit is either shaken, or not shaken, applying it more times isn't relevant. If you were playing doubles, you could apply the thousand sons debuff and combo with that.
Rip guard players. Can't imagine how frustrated anyone who already had a scion army feels. The heavy weapons team thing is kind of lame, but makes sense because they probably don't want to confuse new players, who'd need two different boxes to field one unit. I wish Heavy Weapon Squads were like Sentinels, where you could field them as units of 1-3 teams.
Scion army here, and I personally feel this just gives me an excuse to break out my 6 Taurox's with wheel conversions. Now just need to stock up on Valks so I'm still ahead of the game when the inevitable Scion x Valk combo becomes meta.
@DeadFishTheKing imagine running 3 earthshakers 2 tank commanders and the rest infantry but with the purpose of only doing objectives and preventing deepstrike at that point they dont get to play
We waited like 10 years for a codex for 1.5 usable detachments and 1 good unit. Why would I pay for this? I wouldn’t even be that mad if the units or detachments were at least good but boring, but they’re not even bad and fun. They’re just bad with hyper-niche, unimpactful rules. Like how many times are you going to use the Krieg squad with a command squad to ignore SPECIFICALLY the orders and stratagems aspect of battleshock? How many times has that mattered? How many times has it been worth it? How many times are you even going to remember?
literally just give rerolls one dice like ironstorm or reroll ones or some shit, what even is the point of 6" advance WITH NO FUCKIN ASSAULT it's like when they gave eldar assault on 14" Mv vehicles...
I miss the 9th ed order system, orders felt more impactful and you could easily order 4-5 units with a single officer. Felt like it made much more sense.
@@apassinghobo9th ed codex got the guard, sad to loose vets and stuff, but was worth the loss, this? Not so much (even if I have a light infantry coy which would fit the new detachment to a T)
if the tempestus loose deep strike the grootmas officer deep strike upgrade is useless or with the upgrade gain deep strike? (Militarum Tempestus Officer model only. The bearer’s unit can be set up using the Deep Strike ability in the Reinforcements step of your first, second or third Movement phase, regardless of any mission rules)
Well that feths up my whole army. I have a ton of metal minis and have each squad as its own color scheme, since my army is remnants. The misc bits of leftover commands shoved together by the munitorium. Between the insane pricing, paying for the rules that will be changed within a week, paying a subscription for the app... I'm done.
If you were that soft you would never make it in the guard, soldier. You can literally run them as any of the IG squad types. Simply use base rings to make it clear if needed.
It just feel like shit all the way around, nothing looks fun, it just pisses on everything guard players actually want. I'm basically done playing for this edition, not paying another fucking penny until they pull their entire head out of their ass
If I had a nickel for every time tike GW released a codex that killed my excitement in playing an army, I’d have 3 Nickels. Which isn’t a lot of nickels but it’s shitty it happened 3 times😂
At least the 40k books get actual updates, unlike what GW does with AOS now, which is functionally copy-paste the index rules (sometimes literally a 1 for 1 copy paste)
For a person who has over 90 scions I am really upset. Not sure how the new detachment can even work. You cant target units with the Stratagems and the enhancements don't work
I was gifted a large ziplock bag of steel legion to add to my 1 FW kreig grenedier squad+ commissar, with plans to paint the steel legion as more kreig. The bag includes 4 heavy bolter and 3 missile launcher HW teams, 19 lasguns, 3 grenede launchers, 1 plasma, and 4 sergeant. Sounds like i couldnt put anything together at all, but then i remembered i havent enjoyed the playing of 40k since 6th ed, and it doesn't really matter how the models i paint are organized in my display cases. I would love to get some of the new kreig, but im not buying anything new u til my backlog is finished.
Scions loosing deep strike is BS that's there whole point the the reason for being different from kaserkin my scion buddy just got 4 scion kits for Xmas and was stoked by the new detachment and finally had all the models for his 2000 point dream list he started making 3 years ago.
Buddy was an idoit for not seeing the writing on the wall. Gw has repeated this pattern for 6 editions now. The make ppwerful rules, sell model for rules, Nerf 1 to 3 months later. Juat happens to bw guards turn this time.
@KnightsofTitan he started years ago is a different edition be cause he loved the idea and style of the scions, you must be stupid for buying warhammer at all by your logic.
Auspex is an animal. He cannot be reasoned with. He feels no pain. Seriously though, I bet he’s got a team working for him. I can’t imagine one person doing all this.
As I said, If you bought anything from GW -- they have no further use for you. You can keep buying new stuff, if you want to keep playing, and you can keep throwing your old painted miniatures away. They don't care. It's a lose-lose game.
Little irritated with that change to Sentinels. I just ordered a third Sentinel to have a full squadron per lore fluff. Just another example of Games Workshop going against their established lore...
I lost Straken and Harker, no more Catachan melee infantry builds I lost Deepstrike Scions, no more Bridgehead mass infantry drop tactics ( I just played two games of 70 scions its so good) I lost 3 unit squads of chicken walkers, no more Sentinel Forest (someone at GW got fed up with it I swear) All thats left is 10 Lemon Russ list...Tallarn Blitzkrieg baby!
As I was afraid of, there is no longer any way to attach a HWT to an Infantry squad and they have to be put in their own dedicated squads. This really screws over Mech Guard. Well, my Steel Legion boys had a good run for the past 20 years. Time to box them I guess until GW brings back proper platoons.
@otakuon no, it doesn't, their detachment rule is good, the mech detachment that is, it leaked. makes meltas viable.. also, Catachans weapons teams with +1 to wound vs vehicles and monsters looks Good too..
@@rosvall216the Mech Detachment is alright. I was hoping for something a little more with it. And the whole “only three themed regiments” situation presents another problem as the rules as written discourage mixing different “regiment” themes. Ultimately, I am just still really miffed that the flexibility of IG has been severely nerfed but eventually I will just make do as always. Like I might go back to an all spec ops stormtrooper mech list. This is why I have many different guard units in my collection along with many different armies so that when GW screws over one, I can still play with others (my poor, poor sisters….)
@@trustudy6083 that +1 is still very strong, you could still use hot extraction to appear somewhere else, granted is not deepstrike. and use your CP towards grenades, tank shock, hot extraction and the servitors thingy no?
Guard is my most played army and GW has put me in a position where I was actually dreading the codex and the full version of the rules coming out. Nice going. Also, if you think I'm not pirating this one you are surely mistaken.
Especially for guard. Its my main army and I think Im just going to not buy the codex. They have just been shitting on our army with every update, making it feel worse, taking all our options away, punishing us becasue there 0.01% top players who play AM are very good at the game. Fuck GW, they can suck shit
The fuck is GW doing with Astra Militarum? First they nuke generic Infantry units now Scions lose Deep Strike. What's next, Leman Russ Tanks only have 1 version where you choose the main cannon so you can only bring 3 total?
honestly, why even play 40k rules anymore - 8th, 9th and 10th edition are unthematic garbage for metachasers, for all its flaws at lets 7th was actually fun and thematic
wow. Dodged several bullets by never playing guard at this point. I loved the concept from prior editions of treating scions vaguely like elysians, but thats out now, on top of the forced into 3 sepeciic archetypes of units, plus the loss of heavy weapons in inantry squads..
After all the hype, this is probably one of the worst IG codex releases I’ve seen in 8 editions. I feel like we’re getting the 3rd edition chaos space marine codex treatment. Most of our “extra units” are just variations of what the generic version did for us. And it did it better. And everything else either stayed the same, or got worse.
Losing heavy weapons in infantry squads isn’t all bad. I’m between armies though, so I would say that. I’m just going to adjust my Steel Legion loadout and custom make line infantry, penal legion w/ commissar, heavy and special weapon squads and veterans.
Am I the only one who isn't pleased with all this. Like I get, don't judge it till you try it and all, but I am a fairly new player to Astra Militarum and I was kinda hoping for something more... fun. This stuff really isn't as interesting and flavorful as I was hoping for. I guess they just don't feel like they are filling the fantasy of playing the army in my head. The Tank Detachment being a prime example.
Genuinely I would consider like a petition or something to just make them toss whatever product they’ve made and restart from scratch. Everything I’ve seen of this book is fundamentally flawed.
@thegreenhood3330 the one thing I'll say is that 10th is easy to learn. That's the whole point, GW wanted to capitalize on warhammers increased popularity the last several years. But once you've gotten your feet wet, I'd consider checking out 9th edition. It was much more in-depth. I'm not calling it perfect, but it was more interesting. Other people prefer going back to even _older_ editions.
I wonder if the Vindicator is going to suffer the same fate as the Demolisher at some point. It seems possible considering it has what's supposed to be the same weapon. I suppose it depends on how determined GW are to ruin Firstborn tanks. The Scion Deep Strike removal is certainly very poorly timed. GW could possibly mollify those people who are justifiably angry about it by updating Bridgehead to give it back to Scions in that Detachment. We know they do pay attention if the backlash is strong enough. I like the idea of Guard tanks giving cover, but I think a strat is the wrong place to do it. It might've made sense as an additional Army Rule or a Detachment Rule for the Combined Arms, to reflect regiment-wide training to use armour as cover. (Anyone who thinks Guard infantry possibly getting up to a 3+ save makes them 'broken' has clearly never tried to keep a Battle Sister squad alive under fire for more than a turn.)
As cool as the new Fields of Fire is, it doesn't gel well with the detachment rule. One of the two units firing will *not* be getting Lethal Hits, and will effectively be shooting the wrong targets.
They way it's written is terrible, but I very strongly feel it's meant to be 4 specials per 20. I sure as hell wouldn't go gluing on more before a FAQ lol.
I was on the fence when it comes to purchasing this box. I have guard but would like to buy into Eldar with the upcoming release. This video sealed the deal. Guard looks absolutely lacking in every way. Not one detachment sounds fun outside of the transport one which is seems a little meh. I’ll pass on them and jump into Eldar. Guard can sit on the shelf for awhile.
@@mistamomoI personally am smoking oops all tanks, and I'm not quite sure where tf were they going with that because... you can't fuckin shoot after your auto-advance
@@mistamomoI personally am smoking oops all tanks, and I'm not quite sure where tf were they going with that because... you can't fuckin shoot after your auto-advance
@@calebs9291 what? 4 of the detachments look strong AF. the mechanized one looks fun as hell, the combined arms detachment looks very versatile, and the tank one looks to be pretty nutty if you play well. Even the arty detachment kinda fucks over fast armies.
9:34 I have to ask, why do you keep saying models could come back? Other than with Zodgrod (and it took him roughly three decades) I don't remember that ever happening unless it was a mistake by GW. They're gone, man. Legends is the swan song and by 11th there won't be any more rules for them.
Tbh, Catachan will prob. not be coming back, they are going to be phased out step by step like every other old regiment that GW had (Mordians, Tallarn, Armageddon, Praetorian Vallhalan ...). It´s a shame, they were my first 40.000 army back in `04.
there's literally too much evidence to the contrary catachans gained datasheets this edition GW stated that they were the face of guard along with krieg and cadians GW has made several special catachan themed models in the last few years nah were definitely getting a krieg/cadian style refresh.
I am very disappointed about the change to the Scions. I have a 1500(2000 if you count the three Valkyries...but they are pretty trash) point Scion list I have built up over the years, and this kills the theme of that army completely :(
CORRECTION: Sorry misread the Krieg Alchemist, it's only a 6+ FNP against mortal wounds. Which is a bit rubbish unfortunately... Thanks for spotting that, I'll make sure I get it right for the main review!
There was also one small change on the dorn statline I missed - the co-axial autocannon now hits on a 4+ like all the rest.
What about the Death Korps Marshal? It´s been removed?
@@gromenawuer1 nor removed from the codex as it was never in the codex unfortunately, it was a forgeworld thing, and so 99.9% chance its legends.
Edit: he even mentioned it in forgeworld section
@@Wellthatfailed at least he'll have Legends tlrulrs. Looks at Wyrdvane Psykers ....
Just had a friend/fellow guardsman buy a whole load of Scions for Bridgehead because he thought it would be cool to deepstrke an entire army. I'm not sure I can break the news to him...
the detachment still lets them deep strike with the enhancement
@@_Yeo_ yeah, one unit... that's WAAAY worse...
@@triplea657aaa I pity the man, but that's kinda what happens swhen you pre buy before the codex is revealed a guess.
tell him to get Valkyrie they allow scion to do fun stuff with 1 cp each turn.
@_Yeo_ does it though? The way I'm reading it you can use the Deep Strike ability but it doesn't say it gives them Deep Strike.
You missed the biggest point in the game, the las pistol for the krieg heavy weapon squad has a 48" range!
I’m sorry?
What
Its their spotting laser lol
@@roguevector1268 Exactly my thoughts haha.
hes been practicing, ok?
Basic Guard squads being dropped and all the regiment specific ones not having a Heavy Weapon in them is possibly the biggest shake-up to the army.
Also means that literally every single longtime Guard player will have to reorganise their entire army
I'm sure that'll go down well
We do it every codex😀
Yeah, its a bit of a shame especially given the fun/interesting death korps heavy weapons in my view, would have been interesting having the heavy flamer in an engineer squad barrelling up the field, or heavy stubbers in defensive blobs. Oh well.
Like a lead balloon.
If you haven’t gotten the use out of those 20-30 year old imperial guard models by now, that’s your own fault. I have an imperial guard army from 20 years ago and it has been evolving as the rules have changed but it doesn’t matter that the unit doesn’t have a heavy weapon squad. I just call them cadian shock troops because they are, and I put the missile launchers on some 50 mm bases.
Thats the aim of the game now, force players to make new purchases to re fit their armies.
So what I’m reading is if you want to pick up a guard army on the cheap head to eBay in the next 48 hours or so
Checking your local recycling plants might also be a cost effective alternative.
The profile in the Rogal Dorn did change for the Coaxial Autocannon, going to BS 4+ (currently 3+)
Bullgryns are 3+ SV instead of 4+.
Artillery like Basilisk and Manticore lose "Heavy" on their weapons.
It's still 3+ on the Commander data sheet at 22:25. Seems weird to have it be different there but then again the Co-axial being 3+ when everything else is 4+ was weird to begin with
Ah good spot, I'd not seen the co-axial change. I'd clocked the other bits though. Thanks for the heads up!
Looking forward to drifiting my Basilisk around while it fires at full depression.
@@matthiasoc7141Nice
Bummer the Basilisk hitting on 3+ was nice, they don't do tons of damage, but the slow is devastating for any slow moving army like Necrons, Votann, and Custodes.
I abandoned caring what the codex restrictions on astra militarum units a couple of releases ago. Its too painful having to restructure that many men in that many units because they juggled everything again. My solution. Use the classic structures and characters modified and play only close mates narratively
I a sad pathetic day when players have to make up their own rules to be able to enjoy this game, GW just fucking hates seeing guard win and will crush us into the dirt until our win rate is nothing.
I am not buying another GW model for any game system utnil they learn how to not fuck with their customers for fun.
@@maxaslagolis You just suck lmao, I've been absolutely crushing it with Guard this edition.
Track down old 3rd edition stuff, it plays better and still has all the good fluff
@@maxaslagolisGuards have been at the top end of the meta for most of 10th, this idea that GW hates them is so unbelievably silly.
@wesleyw7908 he loves the top 1% of their player base who have the luxury to play the game all the time, and not the rest of us who play when we can we work 2 fucking jobs.
Comparing the health of the game based on high levels tournament players is always dumb as fuck. It would be like assuming that all Americans are amazing athletes as peak fitness because they win the Olympics
RIP to Straken and Harker...until a later edition men (salute's)
O7
INB4 Straken and Harker's kids start coming out the woodwork to take their place.
Because you know they probably propagated their bloodline far and wide.
Losing Straken and Harker felt personal.
@@FortuneFaded2006 Straken was the first model I painted when I got into the hobby in 2020
It pains me to see them go, I really hope they come back Catachans like Straken and Harker made start collecting guard as my first army. 07
Scum bag move by GW to release a Scion detachment then immediately nerf Scions.
Idk how you genuinely were surprised scions lost DS when the KT showed up
@@Whoknows21356Had some faith in GW Employees having some basic humanity.
Guess I was wrong.
If you bought a whole bunch of guard models for their rules with the codex less than a month away and then were surprised when the rules changed, then that's on you.
Considering how often rules change, its not on him really. Gw just suck and blaming the consumer is pretty lame.
@@colonelturmeric558 Would this still be the case if it were buffs for guard?
Such a shame with the Scions. The one with the flamer was the biggest badass in all of 40k. The others could have parachutes in their backpacks, but the one with the flamer only had his tanks. So he most likely jumped out of the Valkyrie, yelling "FOR THE EMPEROR!" while slowing himself down with the flamethrower.
I tell new players "buy for the aesthetic and the lore, never the rules", and this is why. The rules can and will change. Rule of cool, always.
Exactly, this is why i'm not disappointed by the codex even though it seems to suck, i love my minis
@Zoggest Best approach. Better to have an army you genuinely like through thick and thin. I know it's not always easy, but still the better option I'd say.
Until they consign a quarter of your army to legends, because you followed the lore during army construction for over 20 years.
@@tomasdawe9379 Though a shame, if your models got you 20 years of play then you did alright there. Same happened with my Land Speeders but I still play them.
I called the Scions losing Deep Strike once those Aquilons showed up.
As someone who has a Scion army this hurts a lot.
As someone who's been wanting to build a Scion army, this change is pretty discouraging @@chriswalls6275
Will command squad get to lead aquilons? Does the priority drop beacon still work from the grotmas detachment i wonder
@@kujatanet2390No to Command Squad in Aquillons. For Priority Drop, maybe. I personally think yes given the wording (which would mean 1 big unit can still drop) but have seen others say no.
You were not wrong. I never understood why they never had them in the first place, or at least the option. Like the Elysians.
krieg command squad not having a marshal still lets the cope flow that he will make the purge.
As someone with an Elysian army, who went to scions to keep playing my army, deep strike being limited to the very bad (damage output) aquilons is infuriating.
Honestly GW really doesn't like fun so i say keep your army as is unless you really want to do official things. I mean they've just about pissed players from every single faction off at this point.
The Krieg Command Squad Alchemist only gives a 6+ fnp against Mortal wounds, so not good at all
Hey, at least it's not only on tuesdays
Well, if the Marshall still works as before it will not matter too much, 5+ feel no pain to the unit.
@@fenristhor9204Marshal is legends now
Me: Reads thumbnail
" Massive Guard Leaks "
Me: wELl tHeY bEtTEr g0 pLUg ThEm
Armoured Artillery lost heavy, and the Manticore was absolutely rewritten as an anti-elite-infantry role...but not for the better.
Scions can only be an army in Bridgehead.... and now have to use Taurox primes to do anything. but the stratagems don't help Taurox spam. and if you want to do Taurox spam want Mechanzied assault so you get more transport based strats. Oh and they nerfed leman russ demolisher and kept Rogal dorns being under costed and better in every way. Gee I wonder why.
Demolisher being nerfed is fine.
It was far and away the best choice against any target, which is dumb. The Rogal Dorn went up in points and lost the amazing ablative rule.
I really wanted Munitorum Servitors in my Cadia/Catachan mechanized army
Ive not played since 5th edition...it kinda feels like the character of the armies is gone...in favour of "balance"
Being a DA player and guard player, I've never had a well balanced codex
But now i dont have balance or character...10 ed is soo bleugh
That's a very good way to put it
GW has been trying to ESport warhsmmer. It sucks.
10th is horrid. 9th arcs was pretty good. I think all they needed to do was NOT legend everything ever and just toned down the strats and did the whole lethal hits keywords to make it easier. But my god losing all subfactions plus the table to create ur own and relics and points and locked squad sizes it's just trash.
Detachments in general are trash. I miss the subfactions and the table.....I'm sorry guard removing the regular squad was a completely scummy move....and that just made me totally lose hope for my remaining army (my poor badmoons got ruined this edition and aren't even represented correctly/at all....) detachments r garbage. Hot garbage focused on two kits to make u buy a crapton....so what now theres only fkn 3 regiments??? So stupid....I'm so glad I didn't get guard.....but seeing this I know my drukhari r screwed. I was hoping they'd keep the court and beast master so it's for sure gone when our dex drops unless a miracle happens and they make a box.....remember when gw pushed kitbashes....this "no box no datasheet" shit is fkn awful.
3 whole Guard videos in one day! Take a well-earned break, Auspex.
Some people seem to be under the impression that the "shaken" keyeord will stack. It does not.
A unit is either shaken, or not shaken, applying it more times isn't relevant. If you were playing doubles, you could apply the thousand sons debuff and combo with that.
There should be a shaken and a stirred.
@@TheLordNoodlesand lightly seasoned.
Could you comment on how 1/3 of Bridgehead now doesn't work?😢😢
Yea im noticing this too its messed up
Rip guard players. Can't imagine how frustrated anyone who already had a scion army feels. The heavy weapons team thing is kind of lame, but makes sense because they probably don't want to confuse new players, who'd need two different boxes to field one unit. I wish Heavy Weapon Squads were like Sentinels, where you could field them as units of 1-3 teams.
It’s really not confusing.
To be fair, I don't think it was any more confusing than, say, an upgrade kit for a specific Space Marine Chapter.
Scion army here, and I personally feel this just gives me an excuse to break out my 6 Taurox's with wheel conversions.
Now just need to stock up on Valks so I'm still ahead of the game when the inevitable Scion x Valk combo becomes meta.
Do you know if the -2 to charge strat stacks with the earthshaker shells -2 to movement
It would, separate named abilities can stack but you cannot reduce down to less than 1" move
@@DeadFishTheKing-4 is wild bro
@@deathbringer9893 oh for sure, going to be gross! Wouldn't be surprised if that gets nerfed in future
@DeadFishTheKing imagine running 3 earthshakers 2 tank commanders and the rest infantry but with the purpose of only doing objectives and preventing deepstrike at that point they dont get to play
@@DeadFishTheKing no they don't, "Shaken" cannot stack.
We waited like 10 years for a codex for 1.5 usable detachments and 1 good unit. Why would I pay for this?
I wouldn’t even be that mad if the units or detachments were at least good but boring, but they’re not even bad and fun. They’re just bad with hyper-niche, unimpactful rules.
Like how many times are you going to use the Krieg squad with a command squad to ignore SPECIFICALLY the orders and stratagems aspect of battleshock? How many times has that mattered? How many times has it been worth it? How many times are you even going to remember?
literally how I feel.
Same feeling here. No hype for this. Nothing cool or new. Rehashed lukewarm content
literally just give rerolls one dice like ironstorm or reroll ones or some shit, what even is the point of 6" advance WITH NO FUCKIN ASSAULT it's like when they gave eldar assault on 14" Mv vehicles...
I miss the 9th ed order system, orders felt more impactful and you could easily order 4-5 units with a single officer. Felt like it made much more sense.
@@apassinghobo9th ed codex got the guard, sad to loose vets and stuff, but was worth the loss, this? Not so much (even if I have a light infantry coy which would fit the new detachment to a T)
if the tempestus loose deep strike the grootmas officer deep strike upgrade is useless or with the upgrade gain deep strike? (Militarum Tempestus Officer model only. The bearer’s
unit can be set up using the Deep Strike ability in the
Reinforcements step of your first, second or third
Movement phase, regardless of any mission rules)
I would read it as he gains the deep strike ability. Could work in friendly enviroment. For competitive we need an faq.
@uwesca6263 as raw I read that he can use the deep strike in turn "x", but to use deep strike you need have deep strike xD
Well that feths up my whole army. I have a ton of metal minis and have each squad as its own color scheme, since my army is remnants. The misc bits of leftover commands shoved together by the munitorium. Between the insane pricing, paying for the rules that will be changed within a week, paying a subscription for the app... I'm done.
If you were that soft you would never make it in the guard, soldier. You can literally run them as any of the IG squad types.
Simply use base rings to make it clear if needed.
I'm genuinely so confused/annoyed about the scions loosing deep strike. It's such a massive change to the army for no reason.
Unironically, I would petition GW to just delay the release and start over from scratch. Pretty much everything in this codex is fundamentally flawed.
It just feel like shit all the way around, nothing looks fun, it just pisses on everything guard players actually want. I'm basically done playing for this edition, not paying another fucking penny until they pull their entire head out of their ass
If I had a nickel for every time tike GW released a codex that killed my excitement in playing an army, I’d have 3 Nickels. Which isn’t a lot of nickels but it’s shitty it happened 3 times😂
Only three? You must be new!
Id have like a dollar at this point, im so sick of gw lmao
At least the 40k books get actual updates, unlike what GW does with AOS now, which is functionally copy-paste the index rules (sometimes literally a 1 for 1 copy paste)
Yeah but 6 months from now GW is going to listen to a bunch of people whinging that "orders are feels bad" and strip them from most of the units.
For a person who has over 90 scions I am really upset. Not sure how the new detachment can even work. You cant target units with the Stratagems and the enhancements don't work
Artillery Support Detachment looks neat. Give a few big tanks some smoke.
The loss of weapon team in infantry squad is quite annoying since most my infantry had one.
The advisors being gone is a bummer. Those were cool models! (Something different than the typical guys in combat
the kreig heavy weapon squad with 48in laspistol is cool
They need to add indirect fire to it to make it even funnier
The Alchemist in the Krieg command squad grants a 6+fnp against mortal wounds, not a general 6+fnp
Ah good spot, yeah that is weirdly underwhelming! Will post a pinned correction above...
Lol, so it's useless.
“We have made this specialist command squad model the worst medic in the game on purpose, as a joke”
@@Kaiserschutze An edition or two ago, it would've been... okay, kind of.
I was gifted a large ziplock bag of steel legion to add to my 1 FW kreig grenedier squad+ commissar, with plans to paint the steel legion as more kreig. The bag includes 4 heavy bolter and 3 missile launcher HW teams, 19 lasguns, 3 grenede launchers, 1 plasma, and 4 sergeant. Sounds like i couldnt put anything together at all, but then i remembered i havent enjoyed the playing of 40k since 6th ed, and it doesn't really matter how the models i paint are organized in my display cases.
I would love to get some of the new kreig, but im not buying anything new u til my backlog is finished.
Scions loosing deep strike is BS that's there whole point the the reason for being different from kaserkin my scion buddy just got 4 scion kits for Xmas and was stoked by the new detachment and finally had all the models for his 2000 point dream list he started making 3 years ago.
Buddy was an idoit for not seeing the writing on the wall. Gw has repeated this pattern for 6 editions now. The make ppwerful rules, sell model for rules, Nerf 1 to 3 months later. Juat happens to bw guards turn this time.
@KnightsofTitan he started years ago is a different edition be cause he loved the idea and style of the scions, you must be stupid for buying warhammer at all by your logic.
Overall this codex seems like a pretty big let down.
Next edition will be the Catachan update. Straken will be replace Hellfist what’s his name
i missed the chance to buy the old krieg marshall, he was perfect
I'm sure you can find it through alternative sources.
5 videos in 24 hours. What are you?
By now he’s an AI
@@VLKAFENRYKA-sk6fkI’m thinking more tech priest he’s probably got the nuralink installed to make videos faster
He’s a tech priest
Auspex is an animal. He cannot be reasoned with. He feels no pain.
Seriously though, I bet he’s got a team working for him. I can’t imagine one person doing all this.
He probably has a mad streamlined video creation process as well as a good knowlege of the rules.
As I said, If you bought anything from GW -- they have no further use for you. You can keep buying new stuff, if you want to keep playing, and you can keep throwing your old painted miniatures away. They don't care. It's a lose-lose game.
Little irritated with that change to Sentinels. I just ordered a third Sentinel to have a full squadron per lore fluff. Just another example of Games Workshop going against their established lore...
It is lame and pointless but it seems better to run them as solos to spread the buff around
Yeah you need a 4th now haha
I lost Straken and Harker, no more Catachan melee infantry builds
I lost Deepstrike Scions, no more Bridgehead mass infantry drop tactics ( I just played two games of 70 scions its so good)
I lost 3 unit squads of chicken walkers, no more Sentinel Forest (someone at GW got fed up with it I swear)
All thats left is 10 Lemon Russ list...Tallarn Blitzkrieg baby!
The "Lemon Russ" typo is unintentionally hilarious! Somebody sold you some lemons, eh?
Literally Building scions as i was watching this video..... Fist 3 seconds of the video i had to pause and sit in SHOCK at what i heard
As I was afraid of, there is no longer any way to attach a HWT to an Infantry squad and they have to be put in their own dedicated squads. This really screws over Mech Guard. Well, my Steel Legion boys had a good run for the past 20 years. Time to box them I guess until GW brings back proper platoons.
@otakuon no, it doesn't, their detachment rule is good, the mech detachment that is, it leaked. makes meltas viable.. also, Catachans weapons teams with +1 to wound vs vehicles and monsters looks Good too..
@@rosvall216the Mech Detachment is alright. I was hoping for something a little more with it. And the whole “only three themed regiments” situation presents another problem as the rules as written discourage mixing different “regiment” themes. Ultimately, I am just still really miffed that the flexibility of IG has been severely nerfed but eventually I will just make do as always. Like I might go back to an all spec ops stormtrooper mech list. This is why I have many different guard units in my collection along with many different armies so that when GW screws over one, I can still play with others (my poor, poor sisters….)
Imperial guard being 5 tanks, a guy on a horse, and 60 guys deepstrike in your face wasnt going to last long guys...
what happens to bellicosa drop???
down the toilet with the rest of that detachment by the seems of it. unless you like the stratagems...
@@trustudy6083 that +1 is still very strong, you could still use hot extraction to appear somewhere else, granted is not deepstrike. and use your CP towards grenades, tank shock, hot extraction and the servitors thingy no?
I was wondering where this video was
If scions lose deep strike I'm going to be actually pissed
If?!?! 😮
"If"
Lol
“if”
Guard is my most played army and GW has put me in a position where I was actually dreading the codex and the full version of the rules coming out. Nice going. Also, if you think I'm not pirating this one you are surely mistaken.
Great. Killed all enthusiasm for playing 40k once again. Very glad I spent a few days making Scions.
That's kind of what you get for buying shit to chase the meta as a Guard player.
Consider this your lesson not to meta chase lol
@@stevenschnepp576 Oh I didn't buy anything, I was 3d printing and gluing leftover bits together.
@@implodingrat It wasn't even a "meta" choice. It was a meme choice.
@@kompatybilijny9348 Even worse.
Ok, tank commander already has 2 orders, why does he need the calm under fire enhancement? Since the order need to be on a second squadron unit
it can be a third unit
One guy can get move move move and then he can give himself and a third guy take aim
loosing generic infantry and heavy weapons squad is so fucking stupid.
Krieg heavy weapon team with two seperate mags and 1 guy @ the weapon is just missing it. No longer form follows function.
What tf is the point of scions now?
Amen
Apparently, to sell more Taurox kits
Index was better, why do gw keep making 40k worse?
Especially for guard. Its my main army and I think Im just going to not buy the codex. They have just been shitting on our army with every update, making it feel worse, taking all our options away, punishing us becasue there 0.01% top players who play AM are very good at the game.
Fuck GW, they can suck shit
honestly a 1.000 point siege regiment army is really tempting me
Can you combine Krieg models and cadian models in one army list?
The fuck is GW doing with Astra Militarum? First they nuke generic Infantry units now Scions lose Deep Strike. What's next, Leman Russ Tanks only have 1 version where you choose the main cannon so you can only bring 3 total?
honestly, why even play 40k rules anymore - 8th, 9th and 10th edition are unthematic garbage for metachasers, for all its flaws at lets 7th was actually fun and thematic
wow. Dodged several bullets by never playing guard at this point. I loved the concept from prior editions of treating scions vaguely like elysians, but thats out now, on top of the forced into 3 sepeciic archetypes of units, plus the loss of heavy weapons in inantry squads..
kreig command squad looks good
Dude.., is spelling so hard for you?
Auspex got the rules wrong, medic is a fnp only for mortals which is immensely worse
Giving up my guard army, losing straken and harker is a gut punch
Is the stalwart’s honors enhancement infantry only? Or can it be given to a Rogal Dorn tank commander?
If it can be given to a tank commander then him issuing himself +1 to save on top of something else would be really nice.
Relying on Gaunts Ghosts
You're assuming they won't get sent to Legends
After all the hype, this is probably one of the worst IG codex releases I’ve seen in 8 editions. I feel like we’re getting the 3rd edition chaos space marine codex treatment.
Most of our “extra units” are just variations of what the generic version did for us. And it did it better.
And everything else either stayed the same, or got worse.
We waited 10 years for this btw.
Where can the codex b viewed??
Not out.
Mordian Glory did a livestream showing it off, should be on his channel still.
anyone have the new kaskrin datasheet?
Yeah it's on reddit.
Losing heavy weapons in infantry squads isn’t all bad. I’m between armies though, so I would say that. I’m just going to adjust my Steel Legion loadout and custom make line infantry, penal legion w/ commissar, heavy and special weapon squads and veterans.
Am I the only one who isn't pleased with all this. Like I get, don't judge it till you try it and all, but I am a fairly new player to Astra Militarum and I was kinda hoping for something more... fun. This stuff really isn't as interesting and flavorful as I was hoping for. I guess they just don't feel like they are filling the fantasy of playing the army in my head. The Tank Detachment being a prime example.
Genuinely I would consider like a petition or something to just make them toss whatever product they’ve made and restart from scratch. Everything I’ve seen of this book is fundamentally flawed.
welcome to 10th edition.
Cuase it feels like the book was originally suppose to be codex krieg. Not codex guard
@@kyrridas1573 it's my first edition as well. At least I'm learning what to expect
@thegreenhood3330 the one thing I'll say is that 10th is easy to learn. That's the whole point, GW wanted to capitalize on warhammers increased popularity the last several years. But once you've gotten your feet wet, I'd consider checking out 9th edition. It was much more in-depth. I'm not calling it perfect, but it was more interesting. Other people prefer going back to even _older_ editions.
so what can u use scions for now ? this seems very underwhelming.. are artillery changed ? i have alot of basilisk´s
Emperor does not protect 😔
I wonder if the Vindicator is going to suffer the same fate as the Demolisher at some point. It seems possible considering it has what's supposed to be the same weapon. I suppose it depends on how determined GW are to ruin Firstborn tanks.
The Scion Deep Strike removal is certainly very poorly timed. GW could possibly mollify those people who are justifiably angry about it by updating Bridgehead to give it back to Scions in that Detachment. We know they do pay attention if the backlash is strong enough.
I like the idea of Guard tanks giving cover, but I think a strat is the wrong place to do it. It might've made sense as an additional Army Rule or a Detachment Rule for the Combined Arms, to reflect regiment-wide training to use armour as cover. (Anyone who thinks Guard infantry possibly getting up to a 3+ save makes them 'broken' has clearly never tried to keep a Battle Sister squad alive under fire for more than a turn.)
As cool as the new Fields of Fire is, it doesn't gel well with the detachment rule.
One of the two units firing will *not* be getting Lethal Hits, and will effectively be shooting the wrong targets.
What if both units were sentinels? Do they still have both regiment and squadron? If so, that could be a possible use case?
@Sirhc223 Don't know yet!
Unfortunately, only two sentinels per unit now, so maybe not worth it.
Why have they nerfed the Scions in December, when they know that they loose deep strike the next month
Yes that’s all good but how many special weapons plus Vox can Krieg have? No one agrees on the smoking. We need an answer!
They way it's written is terrible, but I very strongly feel it's meant to be 4 specials per 20.
I sure as hell wouldn't go gluing on more before a FAQ lol.
Up in points and lose deep stirke. Rip my scions...
I hate almost everything about this
I ran a bunch of scions. Thanks GW for nerfing the deep strike
does anyone know if the bullgryns have squadron keyword for benefits from the hammer of the emperor detatchment??
Why would they, they're not vehicles.
Though it would be cool to have them smash through walls
And ANOTHER one? How fast do you make those!?
churning out half hour videos every 15 minutes
The taruox lost a shot on its missile for both krac and frag
I just bought two units of scions the other day for the deepstrike. Thank you for making me cry
This is why you don’t for buy for rules
@@Whoknows21356 I still think they are cool. I should have made that clear
I hope we get a krieg quartermaster. these medics are not the same.
I was on the fence when it comes to purchasing this box. I have guard but would like to buy into Eldar with the upcoming release. This video sealed the deal. Guard looks absolutely lacking in every way. Not one detachment sounds fun outside of the transport one which is seems a little meh. I’ll pass on them and jump into Eldar. Guard can sit on the shelf for awhile.
This Codex looks amazing. I want whatever you're smoking
@@mistamomoI personally am smoking oops all tanks, and I'm not quite sure where tf were they going with that because... you can't fuckin shoot after your auto-advance
@@mistamomoI personally am smoking oops all tanks, and I'm not quite sure where tf were they going with that because... you can't fuckin shoot after your auto-advance
@ compared to almost every other codex so far? Not in the slightest.
@@calebs9291 what? 4 of the detachments look strong AF. the mechanized one looks fun as hell, the combined arms detachment looks very versatile, and the tank one looks to be pretty nutty if you play well. Even the arty detachment kinda fucks over fast armies.
Literally just bought some scions so I could have 1 deep striking unit
9:34 I have to ask, why do you keep saying models could come back? Other than with Zodgrod (and it took him roughly three decades) I don't remember that ever happening unless it was a mistake by GW.
They're gone, man. Legends is the swan song and by 11th there won't be any more rules for them.
The change for Heavy Weapons rules seems like a change for changes sake. What a shit move...
So what the hell is the point of bridgehead strike.
Thank God i 3d print. GW doesnt deserve money.
Massive you say? You know what else is still massive?
oldhammer 40k is looking better all the time
Tbh, Catachan will prob. not be coming back, they are going to be phased out step by step like every other old regiment that GW had (Mordians, Tallarn, Armageddon, Praetorian Vallhalan ...). It´s a shame, they were my first 40.000 army back in `04.
there's literally too much evidence to the contrary
catachans gained datasheets this edition
GW stated that they were the face of guard along with krieg and cadians
GW has made several special catachan themed models in the last few years
nah were definitely getting a krieg/cadian style refresh.
I am very disappointed about the change to the Scions. I have a 1500(2000 if you count the three Valkyries...but they are pretty trash) point Scion list I have built up over the years, and this kills the theme of that army completely :(
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