Despite all the technology available to the modern military, flight maneuvers are still often taught with model planes on the ends of sticks. It's easier to show 3 dimensional movements in 3 dimensions than in 2.
Starting from scratch is hard… it’s really cool that you share these simplified yet detailed combat moves and tactics. Now that I watch your videos, I have a plan that I try to follow when I engage an enemy ship.
12:55 one easy trick i found to understand me and my targets relative movement, when using lag pip, is to simply look where the pip is. If the lag pip is BELOW your center crosshair (or rather, his ship), that means your (plural) relative movement is that you are moving DOWN. In that case, using your bottom thrusters to thrust UP, moves the pip UP. If your pip is to the left, you're drifting left, and thrusting RIGHT moves the pip RIGHT towards center. If the pip is centered, you've got a low transversal, or moving straight towards / away from him. If you're using lead pips, its reversed, so the pip would be ABOVE him, when you're moving DOWN, and you have to thrust UP to get the pip to move DOWN. This is another reason why lag pip is much more intuitive besides allowing eyes on target. Everyone knows this intuitively, but knowing it conciously allows you to see, in a freeze frame, exactly how the people are moving even when looking at a screenshot.
@@ro-mon_gerrs_u-tube1944 No exactly, I mean more about a Virtual Reality room that would permit to A1 to provide to the viewers a way more understanding of the maneuvers. By drawing the fight situation with preexisting 3D ships models and by changing from different angle of views the fight perspective, it would permit to explain even more complex movements and provide a better 3D awareness of the engagements. But you right, the job done here is already excellent and we are more toking about continuous improvement in the way of the 1% every day! ;-)
@@AgnosiaAgnosis In à virtual room, you have a 3d paperboard and all things you drow can be displayed from the angle choice of the presenter. No need to be in VR to watch the result as it is perfectly displayed in 2d like any paperboard. I had the chance to participate to live debriefing that way and since 2008, that was one of best experience ever in term of immersion and understanding of complex manœuvres. Some paperboard like a PowerPoint, permits to add some motions etc...
damn man i appreciate the patience when it came to explaining this. legit the moment you lost me you also lost chat thank god. and you noticed immediately that everyone didn't know what was going on for a moment and switched your whole approach around. that change in approach there made it click for me finally. pretty cool that this TH-cam thing is a win win for all of us aye?
EVE Online taught me about this. You want to maintain high transversal velocity. In other words, you want to be moving as fast as possible in a plane perpendicular to his vision, but more importantly, perpendicular to his point of aim. A high transversal velocity means you are moving quickly from left to right (or top to bottom) in his field of view, increasing the distance he has to lead in order to land his shots. A low transversal means you are moving slowly in either of these directions. However in this latter case, it's important to note that this speed is *relative to the target!* You can be moving very, very fast but still have a low transversal velocity; i.e. if you're flying straight at him at 1200 m/s. You're moving very fast, but from his perspective, he can aim his guns at a single point and hit you easily with every shot because you're not moving laterally. Dogfighting is all about maximizing your transversal velocity when the opponent is able to aim at you (making yourself harder to hit) while at the same time limiting the opponent's ability to maintain high transversal velocity when you're able to aim (making it easier for you to hit him), through positioning and timing of your turning maneuvers.
Correct, and in atmo this will be bad as you bleed speed and energy like more normal dogfighting but with 6 degrees of freedom. This implications need to be added soon so there is varied dogfighting and will give traditional dogfights an edge in atmo.
As a new combat pilot, i would've not been able to follow along live. Thank you so much to produce this live then edit it. Twice the work, much appreciated!
Watching through the core skills videos I feel like this is one of the most useful ones yet. The segment about 19 minutes in where you talk about the branching decision paths based on the opponent's flight path gave a ton of context to the conversation in prior videos, where it wasn't really clear who was doing what or where they were moving or when you'd go which direction. They're all informative but many of the others are more "here's what an S-turn is, do it when " but is not nearly as clear as it is in this video. The extra context here is fantastic!
OMG that was great! So I am doing it right..LMAO! Just by adding a S turn and Corkscrew I have started to really see a difference. I wear the Red proudly now..no run just gun. TY and keep up the great work
Thank you so much! I just found your channel yesterday, but already every single video I've seen is super informative. You've given me a better understanding of my own errors and how to deal with them. Keep it up dude!
Not confusing at all, ever since I have started watching your videos everyday; I have been extremely mindful of my maneuvers and actions and try to pin point mistakes. Awesome content as usual A1, looking forward to tomorrow's video!
this video, of all your videos, has done the best at displaying exactly what your talking about. I really wish they would add dummy rounds or guns that we could purchase in game so we could practice dog fighting while only temporarily disabling guns, so we can get back into a fight quicker without having to go respawn and everything in the PU
As a complete novice in this field having a teacher with your skill set is awesome but I would say that I struggling to visualise some of these techniques. 3D animations would be great to help explain the concept I can't always see in the 1st person pov. I appreciate would also be allot of work.
Because you're keeping your keeping your trajectory in line behind the targets direction of movement you're not increasing the angles, if you put your flight path on or in front of him then the angles will be increasing. Kind of like in a plane but spaceships can aim at each other independent of movement.
@Avenger-One not sure if I mentioned this before, but do you think the flight stick widgets would be a good aid to your training videos? Viewers could not only see what you're doing ship wise, but also see the stick movements causing that movement to better visualize what is required to mimic the same maneuver.
@@crazycanuck2998 yeah I know and I asked the same thing just last week, but ofc that way he gets more people to watch his stream which is fair enough :)
Really enjoy your videos! Any chance you could walk through some flights where you discuss where you are looking on screen for the indicator of the information you use to make decisions? Specifically for the enemies movements.
Man just picked up Star Citizen, this video is great. Reminds me of EvE Online, where you had to constantly track your angular velocity against the enemy ships. Especially if they were larger (as a larger ship can't track you), but if your angular velocity is zero, the largest ships could smoke you in a single volley. Just working out if I wanna dump £300 into a HOTAS or not now lol
I think I understood most of what you explained, yet somehow I still have the feeling I don't really know what's is 'S' about it and what situation you'd use it
very interesting and eye opening. just landed here because i want to improve my fighting capabilities. i`m one of those pve sc players that is often to friendly and gets his ass kicked. pvp is not my thing but at least i should be able to defend my self.
I feel like I am teetering on the edge of grokking this stuff. I get wiped by good pilots and I'm starting to understand why. It's that sense of relative position in 3D space I need to work on. Just to clear this up: We want to be on the outside of the flight path to achieve control, and this may require rolling and using the bottom thrusters (lift and twist?). Calling it an 'S turn' is really just naming what happens if you string two or more of these position correcting lift and twists together to compensate for the enemy's projected path. Close? Thanks for sharing. This is the stuff my character will remember as their military combat training.
Thanks for another informative video. A question. I don't think I've seen you decouple in these fights. Can decoupling be useful to create greater deflection angles, or keeping nose on target in a merge, etc. or are you sacrificing energy by decoupling and recoupling during a fight?
Bro, every morning i watch your videos and i must say ive greatly improved my flight skills! The practice has paid off as well, last night with xenothreat i was killing it. (All until the idress killed the server! )( #30K)
I really appreciate the way you're breaking down the art of 3 axis flight combat into relatively easy to understand principles. On another note, what head tracker rig do you use?
@@Avenger__One Awesome, thanks! Would you recommend a head tracker over a VR set? I like the idea of the game space taking up more of my field of vision and putting me closer to the combat, but I don't like the idea of sacrificing the resolution. Any thoughts?
Hahaha brother I feel yea, it can seem like listening to another language but remember, just get 1% better today and one day sooner than you think you will speak fluid murder machine
What I see all the time is people in Light Fighters will match turns with you and try to slug it out blow for blow. I've actually questioned for a moment, "Is this an NPC?" whenever I see a player do this as it's almost as stupid as the NPCs fly. This totally negates the biggest advantage your Light Fighter has as you are no longer using your greater speed and maneuverability to your advantage. Even in your videos I see some of the other players making this fatal error. Never try to go toe to toe with anything in a Light Fighter... You'll lose almost every time. I've actually taken out Arrows and Glads in a Connie easily due to players doing this as all I do is reverse thrust into a backwards sliding turn which draws them in and as soon as they try to duke it out against 4 size 4s they go down very quickly. I've adopted this very "unique" strategy not because it's a good maneuver... It isn't as any competent pilot is going to go "WTF" and take you out quick but against these idiots it works almost every time when you are in a slow mover like the Connie.
Appreciate the level of detail and conceptualization you do here. When i learn I like to have this much information so my brian to link what it feels it needs and can discard what it doesnt.. However, at the level of detail about a topic dealing with movements in 3-D space alng x,y,x axis, you need game play examples or some 3d animation when introducitng strategy. Talkiing about it, then scribbling drawings in real time, not quite nailing the art, then as,king us to imagine something we came here to learn is not quite reaching a masterclass level. You'll confuse more than teach. When you brought in examples at the back end you were guessing is a clip was good, but i bet most never reatained the first half. I offer this as constructive because I know you understand this at a deep level, but teaching it requires more. Think about your audience, preplan your material ans assets.
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Despite all the technology available to the modern military, flight maneuvers are still often taught with model planes on the ends of sticks. It's easier to show 3 dimensional movements in 3 dimensions than in 2.
Starting from scratch is hard… it’s really cool that you share these simplified yet detailed combat moves and tactics.
Now that I watch your videos, I have a plan that I try to follow when I engage an enemy ship.
12:55 one easy trick i found to understand me and my targets relative movement, when using lag pip, is to simply look where the pip is.
If the lag pip is BELOW your center crosshair (or rather, his ship), that means your (plural) relative movement is that you are moving DOWN.
In that case, using your bottom thrusters to thrust UP, moves the pip UP.
If your pip is to the left, you're drifting left, and thrusting RIGHT moves the pip RIGHT towards center.
If the pip is centered, you've got a low transversal, or moving straight towards / away from him.
If you're using lead pips, its reversed, so the pip would be ABOVE him, when you're moving DOWN, and you have to thrust UP to get the pip to move DOWN. This is another reason why lag pip is much more intuitive besides allowing eyes on target.
Everyone knows this intuitively, but knowing it conciously allows you to see, in a freeze frame, exactly how the people are moving even when looking at a screenshot.
To teach more precisely with this kind of ship motions, a VR room would be perfect...
3d models or even a 3rd person filming your movements vs your opponent's? Hard to visualize what your doing from your view. Great work btw
@@ro-mon_gerrs_u-tube1944 No exactly, I mean more about a Virtual Reality room that would permit to A1 to provide to the viewers a way more understanding of the maneuvers. By drawing the fight situation with preexisting 3D ships models and by changing from different angle of views the fight perspective, it would permit to explain even more complex movements and provide a better 3D awareness of the engagements. But you right, the job done here is already excellent and we are more toking about continuous improvement in the way of the 1% every day! ;-)
🤢for sure I do 🤮
How can y’all keep track of this lol
@@AgnosiaAgnosis In à virtual room, you have a 3d paperboard and all things you drow can be displayed from the angle choice of the presenter. No need to be in VR to watch the result as it is perfectly displayed in 2d like any paperboard. I had the chance to participate to live debriefing that way and since 2008, that was one of best experience ever in term of immersion and understanding of complex manœuvres. Some paperboard like a PowerPoint, permits to add some motions etc...
damn man i appreciate the patience when it came to explaining this. legit the moment you lost me you also lost chat thank god. and you noticed immediately that everyone didn't know what was going on for a moment and switched your whole approach around. that change in approach there made it click for me finally.
pretty cool that this TH-cam thing is a win win for all of us aye?
EVE Online taught me about this. You want to maintain high transversal velocity. In other words, you want to be moving as fast as possible in a plane perpendicular to his vision, but more importantly, perpendicular to his point of aim.
A high transversal velocity means you are moving quickly from left to right (or top to bottom) in his field of view, increasing the distance he has to lead in order to land his shots. A low transversal means you are moving slowly in either of these directions.
However in this latter case, it's important to note that this speed is *relative to the target!* You can be moving very, very fast but still have a low transversal velocity; i.e. if you're flying straight at him at 1200 m/s. You're moving very fast, but from his perspective, he can aim his guns at a single point and hit you easily with every shot because you're not moving laterally.
Dogfighting is all about maximizing your transversal velocity when the opponent is able to aim at you (making yourself harder to hit) while at the same time limiting the opponent's ability to maintain high transversal velocity when you're able to aim (making it easier for you to hit him), through positioning and timing of your turning maneuvers.
Correct, and in atmo this will be bad as you bleed speed and energy like more normal dogfighting but with 6 degrees of freedom. This implications need to be added soon so there is varied dogfighting and will give traditional dogfights an edge in atmo.
As a new combat pilot, i would've not been able to follow along live. Thank you so much to produce this live then edit it. Twice the work, much appreciated!
Watching through the core skills videos I feel like this is one of the most useful ones yet. The segment about 19 minutes in where you talk about the branching decision paths based on the opponent's flight path gave a ton of context to the conversation in prior videos, where it wasn't really clear who was doing what or where they were moving or when you'd go which direction. They're all informative but many of the others are more "here's what an S-turn is, do it when " but is not nearly as clear as it is in this video. The extra context here is fantastic!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us and making it understandable for everyone. I would have liked to have had you as a teacher
OMG that was great!
So I am doing it right..LMAO!
Just by adding a S turn and Corkscrew I have started to really see a difference.
I wear the Red proudly now..no run just gun.
TY and keep up the great work
got allways the problem to get close after the Turn, thats help´s me alot. ty
thx very much for all this information you share
Thank you so much! I just found your channel yesterday, but already every single video I've seen is super informative. You've given me a better understanding of my own errors and how to deal with them. Keep it up dude!
19:24 this is when I got the reason for doing an S turn and what it does, then it all made sense. thanks for the videos! I'm slowly learning haha
Dude! Runnin' a clinic, man I love it. Intent viewer and I've been entertained, as always.
Not confusing at all, ever since I have started watching your videos everyday; I have been extremely mindful of my maneuvers and actions and try to pin point mistakes. Awesome content as usual A1, looking forward to tomorrow's video!
O wow, you actually put this up from the stream. Thanks!!
Thank you so much for your time and explanations buddy ! Greets from Switzerland ;)
Think I need to attend a Star Citizen Space Flight Academy.
This made totally sense man.. So much knowledge, and I thought I was doing okay in pvp lol Cheers
The Gladius Sorta...now in shop for only $199. :P Great video, A1!
This format is awesome, gives much better understanding of an otherwise complex topic.
Excellent vid as always. Great instruction. Thanks.
I just got around to watching this, and the biggest lesson I got is that the TVI appears on the little radar screen on the HUD ;) Wow great video!
Very informative and helpful. Thank you very much bro. o/ and I hope to one day fly with you.
Really good breakdown of the concept and when and why to implement it.
Much better than prison gameplay. Great explanations. Remind people to watch your previous stuff as this may be advanced for some.
Really good information.
this video, of all your videos, has done the best at displaying exactly what your talking about.
I really wish they would add dummy rounds or guns that we could purchase in game so we could practice dog fighting while only temporarily disabling guns, so we can get back into a fight quicker without having to go respawn and everything in the PU
Difficult to picture but I think I got the gist (sp?). Thanks!
As a complete novice in this field having a teacher with your skill set is awesome but I would say that I struggling to visualise some of these techniques. 3D animations would be great to help explain the concept I can't always see in the 1st person pov. I appreciate would also be allot of work.
Late to the party, but just wanted to say I'm glad you found the clip. The visual assist was huge for me understanding what you meant.
Because you're keeping your keeping your trajectory in line behind the targets direction of movement you're not increasing the angles, if you put your flight path on or in front of him then the angles will be increasing. Kind of like in a plane but spaceships can aim at each other independent of movement.
Mental Visualization of the global movement is the key...
I feel like I need to don a yellow helmet and grab a pickaxe there are so many nuggets of gold to mine in this video
@Avenger-One not sure if I mentioned this before, but do you think the flight stick widgets would be a good aid to your training videos? Viewers could not only see what you're doing ship wise, but also see the stick movements causing that movement to better visualize what is required to mimic the same maneuver.
He has that enabled on his streams
@@StillnessInMotion88 I must have missed them. But to clarify, being able to see the widgets on the you tube training videos.
@@crazycanuck2998 yeah I know and I asked the same thing just last week, but ofc that way he gets more people to watch his stream which is fair enough :)
Really enjoy your videos! Any chance you could walk through some flights where you discuss where you are looking on screen for the indicator of the information you use to make decisions? Specifically for the enemies movements.
What an awesome lesson!!
Thank you for this I have a Lotta experience in dogfights but sometimes in arena commander I can’t figure out what these gladius are doing
You're quite the artist :D
Man just picked up Star Citizen, this video is great. Reminds me of EvE Online, where you had to constantly track your angular velocity against the enemy ships. Especially if they were larger (as a larger ship can't track you), but if your angular velocity is zero, the largest ships could smoke you in a single volley. Just working out if I wanna dump £300 into a HOTAS or not now lol
I wish I could wrap my head around this 😩
I want a dollar for every time A1 says the word "Right"
Trying hard to understand. Maybe if you had some model airplanes or something that you could move with your hands
Another solid video!
I think I understood most of what you explained, yet somehow I still have the feeling I don't really know what's is 'S' about it and what situation you'd use it
19:38 i whish all this thinkin in matter of miliseconds would be my second nature too :D
I understood some of this... But I'm still not sure if the S-turn is a small evasive movement or a movement akin to a trajectory.
how do you have a third size3? i can't seem to uninstall the twin turret (though aren't two bulldogs stronger than a single panther?)
very interesting and eye opening. just landed here because i want to improve my fighting capabilities. i`m one of those pve sc players that is often to friendly and gets his ass kicked. pvp is not my thing but at least i should be able to defend my self.
DO you have like an org or discord i can join? i wanna learn how to smooshley fly. your videos are amazing and inspiring.
I feel like I am teetering on the edge of grokking this stuff. I get wiped by good pilots and I'm starting to understand why. It's that sense of relative position in 3D space I need to work on.
Just to clear this up: We want to be on the outside of the flight path to achieve control, and this may require rolling and using the bottom thrusters (lift and twist?). Calling it an 'S turn' is really just naming what happens if you string two or more of these position correcting lift and twists together to compensate for the enemy's projected path.
Close?
Thanks for sharing. This is the stuff my character will remember as their military combat training.
Some esports level shit here
Thanks for another informative video. A question. I don't think I've seen you decouple in these fights. Can decoupling be useful to create greater deflection angles, or keeping nose on target in a merge, etc. or are you sacrificing energy by decoupling and recoupling during a fight?
Coupled is the handbrake of space! :)
Hey , nice Vids.. Where can i see your Loadouts ? Discord ? thx
Bro, every morning i watch your videos and i must say ive greatly improved my flight skills! The practice has paid off as well, last night with xenothreat i was killing it. (All until the idress killed the server! )( #30K)
Also, where do you do these live stream classes? I would like to attend at some point.
@@edubbdizzle8096 everyday at 10:30 EST
@@Avenger__One on TH-cam right, not twitch?
Use sticks with plane models and show it. Like the do in the airforce to understand movement princip
you make all of this seem so instinctual to you, it's scary impressive. In general, I respect you. But as a pilot, you scare the shit outta me lmao
Request a video for real ground zero beginners hahahaa most of these can only be understood by veteran players i believe.
Watch my core skills Playlist
I really appreciate the way you're breaking down the art of 3 axis flight combat into relatively easy to understand principles. On another note, what head tracker rig do you use?
Tr5 pro clip
@@Avenger__One Awesome, thanks! Would you recommend a head tracker over a VR set? I like the idea of the game space taking up more of my field of vision and putting me closer to the combat, but I don't like the idea of sacrificing the resolution. Any thoughts?
Are the bottom thrusters the lift thrusters?
Totally confusing but love your content
Hahaha brother I feel yea, it can seem like listening to another language but remember, just get 1% better today and one day sooner than you think you will speak fluid murder machine
What I see all the time is people in Light Fighters will match turns with you and try to slug it out blow for blow. I've actually questioned for a moment, "Is this an NPC?" whenever I see a player do this as it's almost as stupid as the NPCs fly. This totally negates the biggest advantage your Light Fighter has as you are no longer using your greater speed and maneuverability to your advantage. Even in your videos I see some of the other players making this fatal error. Never try to go toe to toe with anything in a Light Fighter... You'll lose almost every time.
I've actually taken out Arrows and Glads in a Connie easily due to players doing this as all I do is reverse thrust into a backwards sliding turn which draws them in and as soon as they try to duke it out against 4 size 4s they go down very quickly. I've adopted this very "unique" strategy not because it's a good maneuver... It isn't as any competent pilot is going to go "WTF" and take you out quick but against these idiots it works almost every time when you are in a slow mover like the Connie.
It finally clicked :P
Appreciate the level of detail and conceptualization you do here. When i learn I like to have this much information so my brian to link what it feels it needs and can discard what it doesnt.. However, at the level of detail about a topic dealing with movements in 3-D space alng x,y,x axis, you need game play examples or some 3d animation when introducitng strategy. Talkiing about it, then scribbling drawings in real time, not quite nailing the art, then as,king us to imagine something we came here to learn is not quite reaching a masterclass level. You'll confuse more than teach. When you brought in examples at the back end you were guessing is a clip was good, but i bet most never reatained the first half.
I offer this as constructive because I know you understand this at a deep level, but teaching it requires more. Think about your audience, preplan your material ans assets.
Isn’t this a rolling scissors move though?
first :)
as amazing you are at flying... drawing ships not so much lol
HAHAHA 😄 🤣 +1 TRUTH POINTS
Whats an S turn!? :(
i feel ya
Look in his playlist. He has a video on that.
Watch core skills Playlist
Who Is this guy? O.O
never do the same turn twice in a fight
Are you serious with the music?
I've watched this video at least three times in the last few days and the only thing I can remember from it is "shmoovly."