I was in the kitchen prepping meat/veggies for the crockpot and watching/listening. Since I was prepping for a one-pot meal I misunderstood and thought this was a giant cooking pit. Then I realized it was the after-party cleanup pit or after party offerings similar to what my father did in campground gatherings 60 years ago. Multiple families would go day-camping and at the end, my father and the other dads would dig a pit 6-feet deep with a radius of 4-feet (They were all engineers and aggravatingly precise.) for all of the paper plates, food debris and in some cases small things made out of iron - tongs, grilling grates. Dad’s rules were that everything had to be biodegradable within a few hundred years. He was heavily involved in recycling and trash disposal during WWII, and knew how long it would take for rubbish to return to nature. In the early ‘50s, there was no trash pickup at most campgrounds. The other families loved it when Dad could lead the day trips, because no one had to pack the trash back home. But, heavens, Dad was copying a technique from thousands of years ago. What a hoot! BTW: he did the same in our backyard at home. One of the pits has one of my old bicycles. I’d love to be a fly on the wall if a 28th century archaeologist stumbles across that pit.
Actually, the general lack of sheep bones is particularly interesting. We know sheep were in Britain in the Neolithic from the few remains that have been found, but it seems the people weren't eating them. Perhaps they were just too valuable as providers of milk and wool?
It would be interesting to know if the bones had the oils and grease boiled out of them. It was important for winter to have things in the diet like Lard so that you get the fats and vitamins you need. In winter animals are lean and you will not get enough from a lean animal if you are living in nature. In North America tribes would do big fall hunts to have meat dried to get through winter but also the bones, glands anything you did not eat you boil the greases out for eating in the winter. If the bones are all boiled then you might think about it as a winter preparation not just a feast for that day. Thank you gents for your continued educational videos. Stay safe and healthy.
Rupert does not have a wired internet connection where he lives. The LIVE streams are over his phone's 4G connection and the bandwidth is only good enough to image the static background as sharp(ish). The moving/talking Rupert remains 'fuzzy' because there isn't the bandwidth to resolve him. These pre-recorded videos are sharp because Rupert sends the original HD video file to Mike to assemble for later broadcast (uploading).
Just discovered this show - really enjoying them. Thank you for being on. I have always been interested in archeology and wonder why I didn’t follow through as a career. I am an armchair archaeologist way over in Lunenburg, N.S. Canada.
did you compare the composition of the contents of the anomaly and the items that were found in the Orkneys Ness of Brodgar between the temples that were found very recently?
Once again very good.This seems to link ( but very different dates) with Proff’ Parker’s work a Durrington where he too spotted a winter solstice feast that appeared to involve both Anatolian farmers and indigenous Hunter gatherers. Offering pit is also interesting.I have witnessed an animists gathering high in the mountains in Flores.All sorts of animals sacrificed ( all for blessing of a new house).I did note that all the ‘good bits’ were stuck in a huge cauldron and eaten.The missing leg’s perhaps?
The Coneybury Henge is named for the hill on which it stands. The 'anomaly' is named for the henge. But that's a fair interpretation of the name I guess 😊. M.
This actually makes a lot of sense. If you have a transition from hunter-gathering to farming then tribes will get more split up as they specialize. But they will still have a common culture and still get together for some decent feasting and all.
oooh! The 666th like! 👍 LOL (yes I have bought a lottery ticket!), please excuse me, but it is what it is - i.e. something and nothing! 😂 A few years back, "bring a dish" was a big" thing" in the Expat communities here in Spain (including Dutch, Irish, and many other Expat peoples), and also, a few years back, Spanish hunters would share out joints of wild boar, pheasants and rabbits on their way back home from a Sunday's hunting. Believe it or not, I've still got a red-legged partridge in a can! While it's in a good state of condition (the tin itself), I really hope I'm never hungry enough to open it!!! Thanks again for a marvelous video. 👋
I was raised in a settled farming community. Upon my majority, I left home and lived as a nomad for a little over a decade. Then, I settled into a single place again. I have always wondered if this might not be the case for many a human even in ancient times. I am currently, at age 67, considering a renewal of my nomadic life while I still can. During all these phases of life, I have met with my family for fellowship and feasting the first Saturday in August. (I will allow that it isn't always peaceful, but there is always feasting. :) )
If you look at water levels at that point in time, at the start of stonehenge, you may find that the whole area was a massive lake with only the top of hills and ridges showing . Hence, the white chalk beacons' land marks and stone circles .Inland and sea faring ships could navigate the old valleys forged by the glacial melt, Thay then terror formed the whole landscape and used it as an inland port system. Because of the easy access and high water levels boats, food, and people could gather at the high points, that's why you get the various out of place items in such pits and stone gravel and chalk was used as ballast for the ship's hence the massive stones gravel and chalk mounds and it would explane the ease in which thay moved the earth the pits were most probably ballast pits that became a rubbish dumps later
Another great discussion about an enigmatic ancient place. Pottery seems to range from neolithic through to beakers? Interesting. So was it a site that was used over a long period of time? That's a lot of meat to eat in one feast. Or so it seems. Especially considering Michael's insights into his South American celebratory feast experience. And what about Rupert's hopes for beer residues in pots! (at 14.03). "We know it was there!" :-) Oh for a magical Time Machine into the past. That would sort it.
Just imagining Glastonbury Festival E trance gate. Tickets ! 17 of us one Roe deer each, one guyy, sniggers, behind has a Bevear Ok in you go ! and Don't Leave Any Litter ! 😅 Bob.
Thanks chaps. I'd be very surprised if there was no contribution from Blick Mead 3900 ya. There' are still fish meadows in West Amesbury today ... Unless of course the Blick Mead lot were the police ...hence burial of evidence.
@@ThePrehistoryGuys Hee!....not really, though my thoughts were maybe that the geology you mentioned might have, at that time provided a cool/sealable space perhaps. But not knowing what the nature of the geology is, i'm just thinking aloud. Thanks for all your great shows and i'm really looking forward to your Gobekli Tepe adventure
Re the different types of food brought. Like Michael and his Argentinian experience I was reminded of the much more mundane friendly barbecue or other party where everyone brings something. Each woman (it was always the women) would bring their own speciality, be it home made burgers or trifle. Also the sort of stuff brought to county shows. Cakes jams , prize marrows and, of course, prize animals. Re the ages and sexes of cattle who were esten sns /or sacrificed farmers could enlighten you on why some animals were chosen over others. Not all heifers go into the herd but go to market along with young bulls. They are all, confusingly, known as stirks. At least in the part of Lancashire where I produced farmers' year end accounts for a while.
Pachamama is a goddess revered by the indigenous peoples of the Andes. In Inca mythology she is an "Earth Mother" type goddess and a fertility goddess who presides over planting and harvesting, embodies the mountains, and causes earthquakes. Sharing with the Earth Mother is a natural way of keeping in balance in the minds of those who exist in - or have memories of - dependancy on the land. Michael.
@ThePrehistoryGuys Pretty much how we interpret what we find in the ground here. We can do a lot worse than study contemporary tribal cultures in seeking answers to things Ritual I think.
I was left wondering about the coincidence with the magnetic anomaly? I thought I read that animal behavior can be influenced by these kinds of things, so kind of makes me wonder if the party-goers noticed something special about this place, etc. Obv no way to know for sure, but interesting to think about...
Perhaps the relative 'value' of certain types of animal was less about quantity and more about quality and ability to acquire, e.g. cattle farmers without the time to hunt and fish appreciated the wild game and saw it as a premium item (we still do) and hunter-gatherers who were too mobile to farm loved a juicy steak. For both communities - whatever the other provided was a treat.
For distant peoples to gather for a feast, the time for the feast would have to be established. The best time would be the first full moon following the end of summer harvest. Then the first batches of beer would be ready and the animals fattened. Arriving at the wrong full moon, either too early or late would be tragic, so Stonehenge was built as a calendar to mark the time of the feast. No doubt the annual feast was also a time to take wives while the beer and food lasted. What could be a better definition of early civilization.
You _had_ to suggest a "ritual" explanation, of course. Otherwise the Church of Archaeology might excommunicate you. The natives in Brazil (away from the coast) were generally small semi-nomadic tribes living on some combination of hunting/gathering and slash-and-burn agriculture. Every few years, when the local resources and/or soil became depleted, the tribe would move to a new location and rebuild its village. After settling down, it would make a "marriage treaty" with some neighboring tribe, regardless of ethnicity, language, customs, etc. Every year the two tribes would then hold a big joint party, dancing around metre-high pots of warm manioc beer, during which young men and women from each tribe, who had just came of age, would be matched to those of the other tribe. Each bride would then transfer to the groom's tribe and learn its language, customs, etc. So maybe that "anomaly" is just the refuse for some similar inter-tribal party? I bet that there was some village nearby, and the locals did not want to have a pile of rotting garbage next to their door...
Amazing, thank you. Re the female animals - in a temple devoted to the female god, there is some degree of care in selecting female anything where there is the choice. Female priest, female acolytes, choir, assistants in ritual worship and any other temple role. This can be extended to female animals for ritual slaughter and even the flowers used in worship may have had their male parts removed.
In the far-distant future, archaeologists will discover the Liverpool Corporation Landfill Site, and will conclude it was a ritual gathering and feasting site for hunter-gatherers, due to the presence of bones of foxes, killed by eating things contaminated by CFCs from discarded fridges; that Liverpool was far from the sea in 2024, due to the presence of road surface levels of the Wirral tunnels, and the absence of fish-bones in the 'feasting site' (they decompose too rapidly to be still there), proving locals did not eat fish; and that the 2024 population were extremely rich and powerful, due to the small number of human burials (in the landfill), that were buried with huge quantities of their personal effects, weapons, tools, etc; it could be fascinating to speculate further
"How long does domestication take? Domestication is the process of adapting plants or animals for human use, including farmed animals and pets. This practice takes thousands of years of living alongside animals and selectively breeding them and is extremely difficult work." If the cows were determined to be domesticated, Agriculture had to have begun 1,000 to several thousand years before the 3,900 BC date.
maybe the cultural importance of one beaver and a few fish was much greater then easily available bovine or deer? and tankards of beer or just some pottery....
Imagine being the 10th guy to show up with a cow. How embarrassing. 😂 I wonder if the cow legs were offered as some sort of take-home goodie bag for the seperate attending groups. Like a neolithic MLM convention, trying to sway groups to your new fandangle way of life with delicious delicious cow leg.
At the first Thanksgiving in America, the Wampanoag's (hunter-gatherers) supposedly showed up with 5 deer and the feasting lasted three days. Tis an old story.
The Wampanoag and all of the other People encountered by the colonizers of the day were definitely agriculturalists. Remember the story of pilgrims starving but for all of the food and farming techniques supplied to them by their hosts.
How do we know the cattle were domestic but the deer were wild? OK, I know you have to milk kine beast more often if you want them to keep milking, but maybe they just went out and found a wild kine-cow in milk and gathered it; whilst deer could be enclosed by the size of fences that archaeologists swear were built near Stonegenge (20 foot-high pallisade fences).
Okay, so deer and domesticated cattle at a feast. No need to conclude that we have those attending the feast who were "hunter-gatherers" and those who were "farmers". Deer often graze alongside cattle. Would we not expect that a farmer would take advantage of this fact and simply harvest deer alongside their cattle? Would they not want to give those attending the feast an option between venison or beef (or perhaps some of each)? Trout? Probably caught in nearby streams by those attending the feast. C'mon man, this is big party, probably held to celebrate the grain (beer) harvest, ergo so many broken pots!
Party, get stoned, get munchies, bit of sex, nap, more drugs, wild ideas about building indian sweat tents, hell, lets raise a few monoliths, wild man, cool man, chill!
Hi , re female animal remains . Cows are much much easier to manage and drive or lead than Bulls , 2 Bulls in a herd of cows will create havoc , cows with calves will follow their calves . Bulls may have too much status , or their legs may have been too heavy for one person to carry. cow legs are easy to carry . Red deer are not year long herd animals , the females and males live apart for most of the year , the females live in mother daughter groups within a territorial range , Stags can move many kilometres away , only returning to the hind range for the rut . The deer may have been hunted during the summer , when the Stags were away from the area and would have shed their antlers Stags may have been left to grow antlers as antlers were a high value product . Keep up the good work
Probably a good video. But everything I try to listen to these two ramble on, it's incoherent round and round the point like two old men. Just write down what you want to say, it doesn't have to be a script, just points and work through them
Can you imagine a party people are still talking about after six thousand years!?
When I was a kid I went to a party like that. I left early, and when I returned, the others had fossilized.
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@@Anuchan I laughed at that for a good five minutes! Then, being a Boomer, I realized that was very true for me! GOOD ONE!
Ah, those were the days....
I was in the kitchen prepping meat/veggies for the crockpot and watching/listening. Since I was prepping for a one-pot meal I misunderstood and thought this was a giant cooking pit. Then I realized it was the after-party cleanup pit or after party offerings similar to what my father did in campground gatherings 60 years ago. Multiple families would go day-camping and at the end, my father and the other dads would dig a pit 6-feet deep with a radius of 4-feet (They were all engineers and aggravatingly precise.) for all of the paper plates, food debris and in some cases small things made out of iron - tongs, grilling grates. Dad’s rules were that everything had to be biodegradable within a few hundred years. He was heavily involved in recycling and trash disposal during WWII, and knew how long it would take for rubbish to return to nature.
In the early ‘50s, there was no trash pickup at most campgrounds. The other families loved it when Dad could lead the day trips, because no one had to pack the trash back home.
But, heavens, Dad was copying a technique from thousands of years ago. What a hoot!
BTW: he did the same in our backyard at home. One of the pits has one of my old bicycles. I’d love to be a fly on the wall if a 28th century archaeologist stumbles across that pit.
Aren’t these two gentlemen nice to each other? People nowadays are rarely nice to each other in a discussion. So relaxing.
They're gentlemen.
Always great to see new content from my favourite Prehistory guys,
Thanks for all the new content lately, gents 😊😊💙
Thank you! You are very welcome indeed. 😊 M.
Whenever I see a new video from you guys pop up it always brightens my day. Thanks for continuing to spread this knowledge!
THat's so good to know! Thank you Ben. 😊 M.
Yayyyyyyy!!! And today, you help me finish up my shift at work! Truly spoiling me dearest sirs.
I bet there was bread and ale too. A big BBQ.
Interesting, given the variety of animals involved in the feast, there were no sheep bones found. Great stuff lads.
Actually, the general lack of sheep bones is particularly interesting. We know sheep were in Britain in the Neolithic from the few remains that have been found, but it seems the people weren't eating them. Perhaps they were just too valuable as providers of milk and wool?
Outstanding production content & quality guy's. A pleasure to watch, listen and learn.
Thank you Joe! 😊
It would be interesting to know if the bones had the oils and grease boiled out of them. It was important for winter to have things in the diet like Lard so that you get the fats and vitamins you need. In winter animals are lean and you will not get enough from a lean animal if you are living in nature. In North America tribes would do big fall hunts to have meat dried to get through winter but also the bones, glands anything you did not eat you boil the greases out for eating in the winter. If the bones are all boiled then you might think about it as a winter preparation not just a feast for that day. Thank you gents for your continued educational videos. Stay safe and healthy.
Loving these !!
thanks, I am very much enjoying these. worth every penny of my support.
First time I have seen Rupert's screen less "fuzzy" than Michael's.
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Rupert does not have a wired internet connection where he lives. The LIVE streams are over his phone's 4G connection and the bandwidth is only good enough to image the static background as sharp(ish). The moving/talking Rupert remains 'fuzzy' because there isn't the bandwidth to resolve him. These pre-recorded videos are sharp because Rupert sends the original HD video file to Mike to assemble for later broadcast (uploading).
Couldn't have put it better myself! Thank you 😊 M.
Can’t be anything else than buried alien spaceships. He said 31 buried vessels have been recovered.
Just discovered this show - really enjoying them. Thank you for being on. I have always been interested in archeology and wonder why I didn’t follow through as a career. I am an armchair archaeologist way over in Lunenburg, N.S. Canada.
Come together
right now...
over meat. 😁
Ah yes - the Mesolithic Beatles ... what a band they were. M.
did you compare the composition of the contents of the anomaly and the items that were found in the Orkneys Ness of Brodgar between the temples that were found very recently?
Thank you for brightening up my weekend. (I only work part time monday to thursday ). Brilliant.
Good morning from the SF Bay Area. Thanks for the info, new to me as I have never heard of it. Darn, I missed out on another party!
So interesting! Thank you.
Once again very good.This seems to link ( but very different dates) with Proff’ Parker’s work a Durrington where he too spotted a winter solstice feast that appeared to involve both Anatolian farmers and indigenous Hunter gatherers.
Offering pit is also interesting.I have witnessed an animists gathering high in the mountains in Flores.All sorts of animals sacrificed ( all for blessing of a new house).I did note that all the ‘good bits’ were stuck in a huge cauldron and eaten.The missing leg’s perhaps?
It reminds me of poverty point in America. The larger multi communal gatherings & deposits ❤
Very interesting and enjoyable!
Thanks again always enjoy spending a time with you.
Love your work and sence of humor. Best thing on the net!
I was just about to shut down and found this! Hurrah! Just guessing but does that mean 'rabbit hole'?
The Coneybury Henge is named for the hill on which it stands. The 'anomaly' is named for the henge. But that's a fair interpretation of the name I guess 😊. M.
@@ThePrehistoryGuys It certainly has made a delightful 'rabbit hole' to go down for me since I saw this video the first time!
This actually makes a lot of sense. If you have a transition from hunter-gathering to farming then tribes will get more split up as they specialize. But they will still have a common culture and still get together for some decent feasting and all.
Shouldn't the fish course come first?
oooh! The 666th like! 👍 LOL (yes I have bought a lottery ticket!), please excuse me, but it is what it is - i.e. something and nothing! 😂
A few years back, "bring a dish" was a big" thing" in the Expat communities here in Spain (including Dutch, Irish, and many other Expat peoples), and also, a few years back, Spanish hunters would share out joints of wild boar, pheasants and rabbits on their way back home from a Sunday's hunting. Believe it or not, I've still got a red-legged partridge in a can! While it's in a good state of condition (the tin itself), I really hope I'm never hungry enough to open it!!!
Thanks again for a marvelous video. 👋
Thank you for your work!
Thanks.
I was raised in a settled farming community. Upon my majority, I left home and lived as a nomad for a little over a decade. Then, I settled into a single place again. I have always wondered if this might not be the case for many a human even in ancient times. I am currently, at age 67, considering a renewal of my nomadic life while I still can. During all these phases of life, I have met with my family for fellowship and feasting the first Saturday in August. (I will allow that it isn't always peaceful, but there is always feasting. :) )
Love your content. Bravo
Interesting chat gentleman.
If you look at water levels at that point in time, at the start of stonehenge, you may find that the whole area was a massive lake with only the top of hills and ridges showing . Hence, the white chalk beacons' land marks and stone circles .Inland and sea faring ships could navigate the old valleys forged by the glacial melt, Thay then terror formed the whole landscape and used it as an inland port system. Because of the easy access and high water levels boats, food, and people could gather at the high points, that's why you get the various out of place items in such pits and stone gravel and chalk was used as ballast for the ship's hence the massive stones gravel and chalk mounds and it would explane the ease in which thay moved the earth the pits were most probably ballast pits that became a rubbish dumps later
Thanks chaps.
Another great discussion about an enigmatic ancient place. Pottery seems to range from neolithic through to beakers? Interesting. So was it a site that was used over a long period of time? That's a lot of meat to eat in one feast. Or so it seems. Especially considering Michael's insights into his South American celebratory feast experience. And what about Rupert's hopes for beer residues in pots! (at 14.03). "We know it was there!" :-) Oh for a magical Time Machine into the past. That would sort it.
Carinated bowl's,never heard that before,interesting subject to research,thanks
Thanks!
Just imagining Glastonbury Festival E trance gate. Tickets ! 17 of us one Roe deer each, one guyy, sniggers, behind has a Bevear Ok in you go ! and Don't Leave Any Litter ! 😅 Bob.
🤣🤣🤣
Wonderful as ever. I'm thinking the beaver was somehow a condiment. 😎
Thanks chaps. I'd be very surprised if there was no contribution from Blick Mead 3900 ya. There' are still fish meadows in West Amesbury today ... Unless of course the Blick Mead lot were the police ...hence burial of evidence.
thanks chaps....very intriguing indeed. Could it be a "larder" of some sort?
I don't fancy testing that theory! 😵💫 Michael 😊
@@ThePrehistoryGuys Hee!....not really, though my thoughts were maybe that the geology you mentioned might have, at that time provided a cool/sealable space perhaps. But not knowing what the nature of the geology is, i'm just thinking aloud. Thanks for all your great shows and i'm really looking forward to your Gobekli Tepe adventure
Golly gosh! Maybe it is the real 'first Thanksgiving'!
Re the different types of food brought. Like Michael and his Argentinian experience I was reminded of the much more mundane friendly barbecue or other party where everyone brings something. Each woman (it was always the women) would bring their own speciality, be it home made burgers or trifle.
Also the sort of stuff brought to county shows. Cakes jams , prize marrows and, of course, prize animals.
Re the ages and sexes of cattle who were esten sns /or sacrificed farmers could enlighten you on why some animals were chosen over others. Not all heifers go into the herd but go to market along with young bulls. They are all, confusingly, known as stirks. At least in the part of Lancashire where I produced farmers' year end accounts for a while.
So what was the reason that the locals in Argentina gave for depositing their stuff in holes in the ground?
Pachamama is a goddess revered by the indigenous peoples of the Andes. In Inca mythology she is an "Earth Mother" type goddess and a fertility goddess who presides over planting and harvesting, embodies the mountains, and causes earthquakes. Sharing with the Earth Mother is a natural way of keeping in balance in the minds of those who exist in - or have memories of - dependancy on the land. Michael.
@ThePrehistoryGuys Pretty much how we interpret what we find in the ground here. We can do a lot worse than study contemporary tribal cultures in seeking answers to things Ritual I think.
@@greenjack1959l Absolutely..and not be surprised that some are different to others.
So the expression ‘hold my beer’ came from Gobeckly Tepe… very interesting.
🎼Anomaly du du Dee du du anomaly du dudy du 🎶
It was a Greek wedding! They always seem to smash the crockery!
....... and a partridge in a pear tree ", and with all that food a geo-fizz please
I love it! Too bad they couldn't test the pottery for beer!
I was left wondering about the coincidence with the magnetic anomaly? I thought I read that animal behavior can be influenced by these kinds of things, so kind of makes me wonder if the party-goers noticed something special about this place, etc. Obv no way to know for sure, but interesting to think about...
Perhaps the relative 'value' of certain types of animal was less about quantity and more about quality and ability to acquire, e.g. cattle farmers without the time to hunt and fish appreciated the wild game and saw it as a premium item (we still do) and hunter-gatherers who were too mobile to farm loved a juicy steak. For both communities - whatever the other provided was a treat.
Sounds like the Coneybury event was a grand family reunion.
Match makers had a part.
Wouldn't they keep the large cattle bones for making tools ?
The original potluck dinner.
The large leg bones have lots of marrow and tool potential. So keep the for later.
For distant peoples to gather for a feast, the time for the feast would have to be established. The best time would be the first full moon following the end of summer harvest. Then the first batches of beer would be ready and the animals fattened. Arriving at the wrong full moon, either too early or late would be tragic, so Stonehenge was built as a calendar to mark the time of the feast. No doubt the annual feast was also a time to take wives while the beer and food lasted. What could be a better definition of early civilization.
You _had_ to suggest a "ritual" explanation, of course. Otherwise the Church of Archaeology might excommunicate you.
The natives in Brazil (away from the coast) were generally small semi-nomadic tribes living on some combination of hunting/gathering and slash-and-burn agriculture. Every few years, when the local resources and/or soil became depleted, the tribe would move to a new location and rebuild its village. After settling down, it would make a "marriage treaty" with some neighboring tribe, regardless of ethnicity, language, customs, etc. Every year the two tribes would then hold a big joint party, dancing around metre-high pots of warm manioc beer, during which young men and women from each tribe, who had just came of age, would be matched to those of the other tribe. Each bride would then transfer to the groom's tribe and learn its language, customs, etc.
So maybe that "anomaly" is just the refuse for some similar inter-tribal party? I bet that there was some village nearby, and the locals did not want to have a pile of rotting garbage next to their door...
Amazing, thank you. Re the female animals - in a temple devoted to the female god, there is some degree of care in selecting female anything where there is the choice. Female priest, female acolytes, choir, assistants in ritual worship and any other temple role. This can be extended to female animals for ritual slaughter and even the flowers used in worship may have had their male parts removed.
No fowls on menu?
In the far-distant future, archaeologists will discover the Liverpool Corporation Landfill Site, and will conclude it was a ritual gathering and feasting site for hunter-gatherers, due to the presence of bones of foxes, killed by eating things contaminated by CFCs from discarded fridges; that Liverpool was far from the sea in 2024, due to the presence of road surface levels of the Wirral tunnels, and the absence of fish-bones in the 'feasting site' (they decompose too rapidly to be still there), proving locals did not eat fish; and that the 2024 population were extremely rich and powerful, due to the small number of human burials (in the landfill), that were buried with huge quantities of their personal effects, weapons, tools, etc; it could be fascinating to speculate further
"How long does domestication take?
Domestication is the process of adapting plants or animals for human use, including farmed animals and pets.
This practice takes thousands of years of living alongside animals and selectively breeding them and is extremely difficult work."
If the cows were determined to be domesticated, Agriculture had to have begun 1,000 to several thousand years before the 3,900 BC date.
Did farmers never hunt?
maybe the cultural importance of one beaver and a few fish was much greater then easily available bovine or deer? and tankards of beer or just some pottery....
An early Glastonbury Festival?
Imagine being the 10th guy to show up with a cow. How embarrassing. 😂
I wonder if the cow legs were offered as some sort of take-home goodie bag for the seperate attending groups. Like a neolithic MLM convention, trying to sway groups to your new fandangle way of life with delicious delicious cow leg.
At the first Thanksgiving in America, the Wampanoag's (hunter-gatherers) supposedly showed up with 5 deer and the feasting lasted three days. Tis an old story.
The Wampanoag and all of the other People encountered by the colonizers of the day were definitely agriculturalists. Remember the story of pilgrims starving but for all of the food and farming techniques supplied to them by their hosts.
How do we know the cattle were domestic but the deer were wild? OK, I know you have to milk kine beast more often if you want them to keep milking, but maybe they just went out and found a wild kine-cow in milk and gathered it; whilst deer could be enclosed by the size of fences that archaeologists swear were built near Stonegenge (20 foot-high pallisade fences).
Potluck!
Okay, so deer and domesticated cattle at a feast. No need to conclude that we have those attending the feast who were "hunter-gatherers" and those who were "farmers". Deer often graze alongside cattle. Would we not expect that a farmer would take advantage of this fact and simply harvest deer alongside their cattle? Would they not want to give those attending the feast an option between venison or beef (or perhaps some of each)? Trout? Probably caught in nearby streams by those attending the feast. C'mon man, this is big party, probably held to celebrate the grain (beer) harvest, ergo so many broken pots!
All conjecture.
And they organised all this without mobile phones😂😂😂.
Wonder what they were drinking ??? Mmm
A beaver??? What? Did someone arrive from North America for the feast? A Canadian beaver, perhaps?
Were beavers once indigenous to the British isles?
no legs? Ground beef; put a leash on it and take it for a drag; just don't name it, it won't come anyway
They had this huge party and then they all moved because the neighbors were too noisy.
Party, get stoned, get munchies, bit of sex, nap, more drugs, wild ideas about building indian sweat tents, hell, lets raise a few monoliths, wild man, cool man, chill!
Pretty sure that the area was a olden day Glastonbury on steroids?!!
Hi , re female animal remains . Cows are much much easier to manage and drive or lead than Bulls , 2 Bulls in a herd of cows will create havoc , cows with calves will follow their calves . Bulls may have too much status , or their legs may have been too heavy for one person to carry. cow legs are easy to carry .
Red deer are not year long herd animals , the females and males live apart for most of the year , the females live in mother daughter groups within a territorial range , Stags can move many kilometres away , only returning to the hind range for the rut .
The deer may have been hunted during the summer , when the Stags were away from the area and would have shed their antlers
Stags may have been left to grow antlers as antlers were a high value product .
Keep up the good work
Sounds like a pot luck supper.
it's called a potluck......
Neolithic pot luck it seems.
Didn't find any underwear?
Probably a good video. But everything I try to listen to these two ramble on, it's incoherent round and round the point like two old men. Just write down what you want to say, it doesn't have to be a script, just points and work through them
Shades of 'Children of the Stones' here!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Stones
Adding way too much annoying bass to the mic modulation unfortunately does not appreciably increase your implied testosterone level. ( south Florida )