I absolutely agree with the coach; the contact point is significant. After developing bad habits as a short swing pattern, I am relearning my forehand swing pattern because timing is essential with a higher level and faster ball. Thanks for the video
Good, just one thing though. On the initial shoulder turn the non racquet arm should stay on the racquet until it gets past the shoulder. Look at any video with Djokovic, Nadal and Federer. This is incredibly obvious and it naturally creates the coil.
Thank you!! Yes definitely with the arm, this is just for my 1st lesson players. Depending on how athletic and quick they are I add the arm holding the racket after I teach these initial 3 steps. I try not to give them to much to think about at once :)
Forehand has changed a lot in the past two decades. The advancements in racquet and string technology have made it more forgiving. If you have wondered "how did that ball go in?", you know what I mean. No player in 90s had a forehand technique like the #1 player Iga Swiatek. Her grip, backswing, and follow through looks non-ideal, but we can't argue with the results. Imagine if her coach had "fixed" her forehand to play like Steffi Graf. In this case, the coach did not teach, rather learnt the lesson from the player.
Totally agree, that’s the point of the video I just went the other way with it using classic examples :) now everyone teaches all these things like wrist lag and all that stuff. It happens naturally and the body will find the best way to hit the ball. And these 3 components Iga has 👍 she just has a different start and follow through. That’s why her and grafs forehand stripped down are the same
@@phoenixtennisacademy6682well actually Graf is simply unique. Don’t think it’s the same as Iga even at its core. She sets up late and hits the ball late. She hits the ball off her back foot. But she can do that cause her grip is eastern. With a semi western/western that would be hard to do naturally frequently ( though Myskina , Capriati, Davenport, Sharapova are notorious for doing this). But Graf does hit the ball late but there’s a reason for it: this is how she gets her power. Also Sampras does this too.
Turning hips and shoulders along with the racket towards contact is wrong. You should initiate the uncoiling of the body , legs up , hips turn and THEN racket . Racket delay is what will give you that effortless power. Also , racket finish placement , above shoulder , beside shoulder , below shoulder , above waist , depends greatly on type of grip and swing path.
Thanks for the input :) this is just the basics so it’s the simple approach. It does go feet, turn hips with the arm, transfer back foot to the front to uncoil and hit the ball. But uncoiling happens at the same time which is why we say timing is so key 🔑 Although there is an exception to the rule in a way. What you’re describing, I know we are seeing it more often and Nadal does it. Actually it was so unique the New York Times made a breakdown of it. I think it was titled putting a slap on the classic forehand. That’s hard to teach to beginners maybe after they get the basics :) Pros like Djokovic and Federer you’ll notice opens the hip right when their racket is making contact. Maybe I’ll make something on that in the future 👍
I used to teach the start you're showing, but don't think it's the best for future development. It encourages a shovel approach that only works short term
Thank you for the comment, I think it’s best for fundaments for beginners to understand timing. From there we add the intro and all that stuff. I use it to train contact point. But to each their own :) doesn’t hurt to share our own experiences 👍
I am so confused. Agassi had one of the greatest forehands ever. When I look at Agassi, I see very little to no racquet "lag and snap" that we see with Federer, Rafa, etc. True? How important is this lag? Why the hell do we see it now and not with Agassi? 🤔🎾
I agree, I think very few players do racket lag and snap? Federer it’s only when he catches the ball late which is most pros. Their body doesn’t open up before contact. That concept might be the most misunderstood concept in tennis. It was taught more as a gimmick or teaching tool and people take it literally 👍
@@phoenixtennisacademy6682 I think many pros do lag. It is true. They keep the arm *relaxed* and the chest will slightly lead and the racquet will naturally lag the hitting arm before finally catching up.. The lag is not forced or even conscious. It happens naturally if one stays loose and relaxed. Lag does not have to be extreme like Fed and Rafa but a lag can have merit and a lag can definitely work. Lag is what most top coaches like Rick Macci teach...I'm trying to figure out which style to go with. Think I am leaning more towards Agassi who has very little to no lag. Keeps things more simple and timing less complicated.
Agassi , Sampras,Graf doesnot have lag and snap/ or may behad very few lag and snap. But their also learned to play with old rackets on faster surfaces.on such surfaces you dont need a lot of spin, and lag and snap allows you to play with a lot of spin. ALmost every modern player (Mannarino is exception) uses lag and snap and playes with solid spin. I dont know, how is it possible to compare Sampras with Djokovic. Federer Nadal have extreme lag because they play with straight arm , such technique causes more lag. it you want to play without lag, you need stiff arm.but you dont need such technique wiht modern rackets. With older wooden heavy racket it was very difficult to habe relaxed arm => few players had lag
@@thebigmonstaandy6644 Agassi played until 2005 and used a very modern racquet. Head Radical. A Radical that is not much different than Radical racquet today. Agassi could very easily lag like Fed with the Radical. But he chooses not to. To be accurate, Agassi does have a small lag, but nothing compared to Fed. So it is important to remember this. Choose a lag that it is comfortable for you. Most club players would be better off copying the Agassi style of very small lag.
@@Better_Call_Raul yes.but Agassi started to play in 88(?) , so he had old rackets as child and learned old technique.yes. he played also with new racket and strings, but he had no time to change his technique.i also played a lot tennis and i know that trainers dont advice to change your technique. Agassi could very easily lag like Fed with the Radical. But he chooses not to. To be accurate, Agassi does have a small lag, but nothing compared to Fed. i think this is almost inpossible to use lag, if you played your whole life without.to play with lag you need relaxed hand.Believe it is very difficult to change.Agassi would need like 1 year without knowing the result
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I absolutely agree with the coach; the contact point is significant. After developing bad habits as a short swing pattern, I am relearning my forehand swing pattern because timing is essential with a higher level and faster ball. Thanks for the video
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Good, just one thing though. On the initial shoulder turn the non racquet arm should stay on the racquet until it gets past the shoulder. Look at any video with Djokovic, Nadal and Federer. This is incredibly obvious and it naturally creates the coil.
Thank you!! Yes definitely with the arm, this is just for my 1st lesson players. Depending on how athletic and quick they are I add the arm holding the racket after I teach these initial 3 steps. I try not to give them to much to think about at once :)
Great tips! Very helpful for beginners like me
Thank you!
Thank you!!
Forehand has changed a lot in the past two decades. The advancements in racquet and string technology have made it more forgiving. If you have wondered "how did that ball go in?", you know what I mean. No player in 90s had a forehand technique like the #1 player Iga Swiatek. Her grip, backswing, and follow through looks non-ideal, but we can't argue with the results. Imagine if her coach had "fixed" her forehand to play like Steffi Graf. In this case, the coach did not teach, rather learnt the lesson from the player.
Totally agree, that’s the point of the video I just went the other way with it using classic examples :) now everyone teaches all these things like wrist lag and all that stuff. It happens naturally and the body will find the best way to hit the ball. And these 3 components Iga has 👍 she just has a different start and follow through. That’s why her and grafs forehand stripped down are the same
@@phoenixtennisacademy6682well actually Graf is simply unique. Don’t think it’s the same as Iga even at its core. She sets up late and hits the ball late. She hits the ball off her back foot. But she can do that cause her grip is eastern. With a semi western/western that would be hard to do naturally frequently ( though Myskina , Capriati, Davenport, Sharapova are notorious for doing this). But Graf does hit the ball late but there’s a reason for it: this is how she gets her power. Also Sampras does this too.
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thank you, nice video.
Thank you!!
Turning hips and shoulders along with the racket towards contact is wrong. You should initiate the uncoiling of the body , legs up , hips turn and THEN racket . Racket delay is what will give you that effortless power. Also , racket finish placement , above shoulder , beside shoulder , below shoulder , above waist , depends greatly on type of grip and swing path.
Thanks for the input :) this is just the basics so it’s the simple approach. It does go feet, turn hips with the arm, transfer back foot to the front to uncoil and hit the ball. But uncoiling happens at the same time which is why we say timing is so key 🔑 Although there is an exception to the rule in a way. What you’re describing, I know we are seeing it more often and Nadal does it. Actually it was so unique the New York Times made a breakdown of it. I think it was titled putting a slap on the classic forehand. That’s hard to teach to beginners maybe after they get the basics :) Pros like Djokovic and Federer you’ll notice opens the hip right when their racket is making contact. Maybe I’ll make something on that in the future 👍
Edberg had a terrible forehand for his level. He had a great backhand though.
His technique was different but the ability to redirect and hurt was there 👍
I used to teach the start you're showing, but don't think it's the best for future development. It encourages a shovel approach that only works short term
Thank you for the comment, I think it’s best for fundaments for beginners to understand timing. From there we add the intro and all that stuff. I use it to train contact point. But to each their own :) doesn’t hurt to share our own experiences 👍
I enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing@@phoenixtennisacademy6682
I am so confused. Agassi had one of the greatest forehands ever. When I look at Agassi, I see very little to no racquet "lag and snap" that we see with Federer, Rafa, etc. True? How important is this lag? Why the hell do we see it now and not with Agassi?
🤔🎾
I agree, I think very few players do racket lag and snap? Federer it’s only when he catches the ball late which is most pros. Their body doesn’t open up before contact. That concept might be the most misunderstood concept in tennis. It was taught more as a gimmick or teaching tool and people take it literally 👍
@@phoenixtennisacademy6682 I think many pros do lag. It is true. They keep the arm *relaxed* and the chest will slightly lead and the racquet will naturally lag the hitting arm before finally catching up.. The lag is not forced or even conscious. It happens naturally if one stays loose and relaxed. Lag does not have to be extreme like Fed and Rafa but a lag can have merit and a lag can definitely work. Lag is what most top coaches like Rick Macci teach...I'm trying to figure out which style to go with. Think I am leaning more towards Agassi who has very little to no lag. Keeps things more simple and timing less complicated.
Agassi , Sampras,Graf doesnot have lag and snap/ or may behad very few lag and snap. But their also learned to play with old rackets on faster surfaces.on such surfaces you dont need a lot of spin, and lag and snap allows you to play with a lot of spin. ALmost every modern player (Mannarino is exception) uses lag and snap and playes with solid spin. I dont know, how is it possible to compare Sampras with Djokovic.
Federer Nadal have extreme lag because they play with straight arm , such technique causes more lag.
it you want to play without lag, you need stiff arm.but you dont need such technique wiht modern rackets.
With older wooden heavy racket it was very difficult to habe relaxed arm => few players had lag
@@thebigmonstaandy6644 Agassi played until 2005 and used a very modern racquet. Head Radical. A Radical that is not much different than Radical racquet today.
Agassi could very easily lag like Fed with the Radical. But he chooses not to. To be accurate, Agassi does have a small lag, but nothing compared to Fed.
So it is important to remember this. Choose a lag that it is comfortable for you. Most club players would be better off copying the Agassi style of very small lag.
@@Better_Call_Raul yes.but Agassi started to play in 88(?) , so he had old rackets as child and learned old technique.yes. he played also with new racket and strings, but he had no time to change his technique.i also played a lot tennis and i know that trainers dont advice to change your technique.
Agassi could very easily lag like Fed with the Radical. But he chooses not to. To be accurate, Agassi does have a small lag, but nothing compared to Fed.
i think this is almost inpossible to use lag, if you played your whole life without.to play with lag you need relaxed hand.Believe it is very difficult to change.Agassi would need like 1 year without knowing the result
Great common sense.
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