Yeah that got me in the feels. I'm glad that everything she's experienced -the good and the bad, has somehow brought her to us. She's really a unique and entertaining personality and I'm grateful she's here in Hololive and doing better now.
My parents always told me "it's not about number, but the blessings behind it. It useless if you gain ten thousands by robbery or cheating in your work but it will make us proud if you bust your ass to collect rubbish and gain 100 bucks" that's one of the example my parents told me, and it stuck to me till this days.
Same here, although with different words. And given everything I've learned about the economy and how it functions now compared to how it used to, I really don't put any stock into the number itself.
Man I know this feeling, not being praised for your accomplishments when you are young can really ruin your self worth for a long time. It is great to see her here and enjoying herself with all of us.
Parents can either be your emotional healing fountain or your biggest bully you can never escape from. We can never choose our parents that we want but they have the privilage to disown us whenever they like to. The irony is most of us will still love them unconditionally regardless of all the flaws they display to us. I still love my mother despite being a control freak. She cares about me a lot rather than any of my friends who can only be with me in the good times.
Glad to see that Shiori is now living her best life pretty much. Im sure now her parents are happy to see their daughter becoming a cute goth vtuber. With thousands of novelites ready to fix her.
@@gabgon6045 she told them she does streaming but she didn't tell exactly what she does, how and what she speaks about. It is kinda embarrassing to show your friends & family a different you. Looks like she is from a conservative family. Imagine her parents listening to their daughter's stories about nut gobblers, her experience and taste in anime men. I don't think they would do anything about that anyway but that day they would learn what "cringe" is. Kinda like Vesper, who didn't even admit to his family what he exactly does and how many people watch him. Because they would check. And he didn't want that. Same with Shiori
Honestly, she had just made me realize how little worth I see myself with based on my earnings. Her's is much more extreme tho, I don't know if this is like a currency difference thing, but 2k dollars is an unthinkable amount for me! That must've been devastating to hear... As much as it sucks to hear, I won't blame her parents or mine for their different idea of happiness, or rather, wanting guaranteed financial security for their daughter. I just assume that it's because of the time and condition they have lived in. But hey! She's happier now! And we're all proud of that!
Well, 2k a month in the USA is literally nothing, it is pretty much an area of minimum wage and you would probably live from paycheck to paycheck even in the cheapest state. However, in Poland 2k dollars a month is actually a solid salary. Not the highest, but you would live relatively comfortably if you are alone. And in some other countries 2k a month might make you a "rich" person. So don't be hard on yourself. I personally check it always relative to my country's average salary. It is pretty impossible to earn some amounts unless you're working/living where such high salaries are applicable, work in specific fields/IT or a business owner
I’m grateful that she’s in Hololive (sasuga best girl Yagoo), and I want her to know that we’re proud of her. Let’s hope to make more memories with Shiorin
Sounds to me like there's some emotional neglect going on with her parents, which hurts regardless of age and gender. In my experience, you find a coping mechanism that distracts you from all the ridicule and noise.
Oh, makes sense why she has not been as open about her personal background as the others from EN. Bringing it up means she'll end up talking about it and it resurfaces a lot of bad memories.
This really encapsulates how precious Shiori really is. I'm so glad that she's finally in a position where her talent can be recognized and we can support her.
We can't always please everyone no matter how hard we try...not even our loved ones... Hearing this story of hers immediately reminded me of that lesson I learned a long time ago. That was also the time that I decided to do my own thing without keeping up with other's standards. I'm just glad that Shiori is doing great in her life. All those experiences that happened, brought her to where she is now. I just wish all the best for her from now on...
Yeah.. this is why I always feel so relatable to her. We are growing up in exact same environment. And now my parents are wondering why I don't have friends.. lol Glad that she can get some freedom in her life now and her parents are not so controlling anymore.
Yeah, them's the feels. There's nothing quite like being turned into a nothing by people you look up to. If she'd earned 12k that month, they woulda still put her down.
This is the kind of thing that plagued me since I was young and nearly brought me to a breaking point with my folks recently… the dread that comes never feeling like I am good enough for them despite making it farther than I thought I ever would (personally/professionally). I’m desiring my own space to grow and learn without being berated… and to even celebrate my successes. I’m glad that Shiori has that now, with also the ability to spread some joy to people that may need it - who may have gone through similar things as us.
Man that hit in them feels 😢hope she know how much she worth now and that she is doing alright now, some parents may had issue sometimes understanding their child but glad that Shiori make a living now
Shiori is Shiori, that is enough self worth. And to anyone else reading this; never let anyone dictate to you your self worth. As long as you are happy in being yourself...someone else's standards should not be your aspiration for happiness.
Proud of her! It's easy for older grown-ups to neglect (what they consider) small achievements in their kids because they tend to forget where they came from - sometimes thinking "Well when I was their age I made more than that" (and sometimes that's not the case). Some parents measure the successes of their kids based on the bar they themselves have achieved later in adulthood and they forget that their kids achieved better than them. Whatever the reason... It's always best to genuinely celebrate people's successes... No matter how how small they are AND to encourage/guide them toward how to achieve greater successes along the way... Sure, there's a time and a place for "tough love" but only when someone has been doing wrongs and needs to have their eyes opened to the wrongs they're doing. But if you're already doing something good... praise the ever living crap out of those successes! 🤔👏😁
That’s rough to hear. I’m glad that she’s doing alright and I hope her perception on it has changed because she is absolutely more then whatever she is paid.
@@burnttoast.2017A lot of people make this assumption about talents, and while it's not always untrue, one of the things that isn't talked about in the community is how working for an agency like Hololive isn't really conducive to maintaining romantic relationships. For a lot of talents "work/life balance" means "my life is Hololive." Not only are they spending the majority of their time streaming or working on projects, but they are encouraged to become close friends with their coworkers to the point that it becomes a closed ecosystem. Anything outside of that bubble becomes less and less relevant the farther they go.
That's very sad to hear and I'm proud of Shiori for going out of that mindset. However, her hard work and determination to reach the crazy goal is also admirable because God, it seems like not a path for weak-willed people. Whether she reached the requirements or not, you must appreciate the hustle. I'm also proud, that she found a will to accept her family again and doesn't decline their attempts to be more close and friendly. From the experience of my father and his parents, it is very difficult to forge something new upon a ruined relationship. But here Shiori seems to be happy when telling some stories about them so I assume that in her case, their relationship indeed became better and it also made her more happy as well
This is like a memory that I had buried deep for a long time but dug up. I told my mother about my first salary and she replied "Oh that small?" I loved that job but can't help but be disappointed with myself back then.
@@anotherinternetperson8495 Because she's one of the lucky ones. You can imagine how many more PNGtubers and Vtubers only do this as a sidegig instead of their actual job.
@@iNeedSleep... Don't be scared let your daughter do what she wanted to do. Just support them on whatever they do. She's your daughter after all. Hope for the best for them, as long as she's not being a burden. Why so scared? You don't know their fate after all.
@@iNeedSleep... yeah, but to be honest, working online is always like that. You have to start with something small and easy. But I understand both sides. Working online you rather "take it or give it". 1% you will live freely (not rich), 99% you come back and work in the office.
From shiorin story i now relize how different each parents behavior, for me im really glad my parents support me even when im not have that big achievement they always comfort me im in a bad situation. Love your parents until the end you all❤
I will tell you, a paycheck for a young person of $2000 USD is never a *bad* or even mediocre thing, and if this was a significant time ago, even moreso. What I learned long ago is that parents are just people close to you always trying to figure life out the same way as you, and get influenced just as you have, whatever pedestal they put in accordance to themselves and their children or what they might have "meant" to convey or wanted for you. But in this instance, that's just unrealistic to scoff at a $2000 paycheck when the vast majority of people, people we NEED in order to keep things running in society, would love that for a monthly check. And it'd still be scrapping by, not because of their efforts, but because companies just don't want to pay people what they are worth. And unfortunately, this skews people's perceptions when they see the $100k+ earners telling them on TV, social media, and the like, if you aren't running six figures, you're a failure or ain't worth squat. And guess where that trickles down? Parents with their children. Bad cycle, makes a lot of children who grow up to idolize grifters. Long rant, but that grinds my gears that the more things change, the more they stay the same sometimes.
I'm glad she's at least ok now. I know that feel. I used to work for $1 a day because I was underaged still and was just helping my aunt. That measly salary I got, my mom said "how could you not treat us out on your first salary" I'm like, what salary, you wanna take all of it? (I didn't say that I just thought it)
I... really feel Shiori, especially with me being a male and the oldest child in my family. It's like the only worth you have is the amount of money you bring to the table, and if it is now big enough, then you're worthless.
Usually when the value doesn't get appreciate..it usually correlated with the thing you do doesnt align their interests.. For exampel,if you have 1 million pay check from being a mechanica some parent still look down on you for not being a Doctor.
My first pay i gave it to my father, in sort of recognition of his work for me, like a gesture, my mom get really pissed and practically bullied me to take it from my dad and gave it to her, i think I despise money just fir and that's a really present moment in my memory even today.
Idk if it’s Asian/minority households in general, but gen 1 Asian here and yep. Same treatment. Only good take I got from my rough upbringing is to NOT do what my mom did lmaoo
oh the number of 'hobbies' I dropped before they became passion because I couldn't reach a standard high enough to get compliments from my own parents.
Weird that sometimes, the teachings and supports are not from their parents, but from some other person. Especially mentally. One eventually just “learn” from the parents.
I have something like this but with a few of my friends. Im a programmer and i get paid very well. I also have friends who have decent jobs but i feel there are times among my friends they like to compare income. I dont hide what i make if they ask me outright but i also dont think thats normal among people. I know their job dont make as much as me but it makes me uncomfortable when the use me to guage themselves and then form some weird jealousy. Among the friends theres also entrepreneurs who makes more than me but i dont think they care enough how our other friends view/feel about us. I remember i argued with one of them when he lost his job and his take was i can say xyz because i have it made but in turn that friend was very nonchalant type and i gave it my all to help him on his feet than he himself put in the effort. For some context, i wrote that guy a recommendation letter and updated his resume as well as talking with recruiters to hot sell him, meanwhile the guy himself asking me to play LoL with him because he got nothing to do 😒
It is relatable for asian culture. I saw many breakdown and go the metamorphosis path. Not to the point of homeless but to the point of your parents berating you and almost kicking you out. Yeah life is beautiful and harsh.
*Thanks for clipping shiori. Haven't seen the live chat, discord nor the vods rn. Because I'm so busy with college like we got our prelims like last last week then our instructors are like: _(Boy......... Midterms next 2 weeks)_. _Also nice outr~ (Sleeps because it's 10pm here)* P.S: Ik that you're in discord DDOS (Never gonna abbreviate your name again _Bad move_). Can you please send this to them. So at least I'm still alive and active :) -Pohai99 (Hope you see this xD)
Idk her parents but come on at least You can give her a "good job Pat Pat", I mean when I was younger working class man, i got with income much much lower than that, and my parents praise me for it, so I knew I need to get better jobs so i can take care better of them. Shiorin could be broken (so as us) but She's an unique, sweet, lovely and funny girl who works really hard for vtubing, she deserves all Pat Pat she needs
The main problem with Asian parent or the old Asian generation in general, lack of small appreciation, and wanting high standards for their kids. **A song plays in the background by Simple plan called Perfect**
Bro 2000 is a good number..... Must have been that asian parent thing where they only count if it's a doctor salary. ...oof. Thankfully this stuff hasn't kept her from being a sweet, bubbly person. For me it wasn't about money numbers but for my folks everything i do must be either good or perfect, even if it's about non important stuff. Just 'ok' isn't good enough, just because.
Maybe this sounds like a typical joke on the internet, but as an Asian, I have never gotten any praise nor any "I love you" from my parents. I never said that to my parents either, don't get me wrong, our relationship is normal, but I think because of environment, lifestyle, idk hardly any parents said those things to their child, they take care of the child silently tho. But I think Shiori's feeling at that time is justified because when everyone around you gets their parents' recognition for achievements and you don't then you have the right to be sad. Luckily she understood their thought tho. I hope she's more happy now.
Trueeeee, its so hard to make this point across specially to westerners. We very much care and love our family but we never ever say it. Its weird and kinda cringe. 😂 But sometime I do wish my father had atleast once said he was proud of me.
Just like how everyone is shit at something the first time they do it, I believe the same goes for parenting. You don't know what the fuck to say or do that's appropriate but with the years comes experience. I'm glad her parents are past that now.
When someone prefaces this kind of story with "I love my parents" you immediately know the parents were abusive. This story in particular isn't even "Asian parents" stereotype thing. It's just parents straight up refusing to give their child credit where it's due, and putting her down instead. It's toxic and I feel bad for her.
Ain’t nothing worse than a *skewered* perception. If only she had a _skewed_ perception, she wouldn’t have had to suffer that long. C’est la vie 🤷♂️ 😞
Oh poor Shiorin, she doesn't even realize how lucky she is because she has no idea of true sadness because she doesn't know...me! ;D I'm incarnate Sorrow,my soul is a dark room like... my whole life I'm like a hole filled with bottom,ooooh but sometimes the black sun shines on me my black hole son cause dispersion of depression that's why I still have few pieces of sense of humor ...maybe that ghosts inhabiting my house that's how they work? Who knows, no one can get rid of them, there are too many of them, not all of them are friendly even Tibetan monks and their rituals are powerless in front of this "extremely heavy energy of sadness misery and despair" Dark karma of my Samsaric life even the darkest Gothic fans they were unable to stay with me and be my wife xD - Honey? We need to talk... - What's going on,my black licorice candy sweetie ? - Well... - yeeEEEEezzz? -...either ghosts or me, choose! - You know I can't do anything, we are a family, like the Adamses,what can I do? - ok, I understand, thank you, I quit, I'm leaving, I love you, goodbye everyone fleshly and fleshless - BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT (SLAMMING OF DOORS) Living with ghosts is very demanding especially when they are spirits of sadness
This isn’t the saddest story. She slipped earlier on and mentioned what it’s like to get clay because her family could not afford other types of gifts. Her parent’s reaction on this one was also likely to help her understand that living expenses add up, and 2000 was simply not enough, she was gonna need to save much more than that.
Yeah that got me in the feels. I'm glad that everything she's experienced -the good and the bad, has somehow brought her to us. She's really a unique and entertaining personality and I'm grateful she's here in Hololive and doing better now.
Yeah
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
My parents always told me "it's not about number, but the blessings behind it. It useless if you gain ten thousands by robbery or cheating in your work but it will make us proud if you bust your ass to collect rubbish and gain 100 bucks" that's one of the example my parents told me, and it stuck to me till this days.
Same here, although with different words. And given everything I've learned about the economy and how it functions now compared to how it used to, I really don't put any stock into the number itself.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 Agreed. Be content in whatever blessings we have.
Man I know this feeling, not being praised for your accomplishments when you are young can really ruin your self worth for a long time. It is great to see her here and enjoying herself with all of us.
Parents can either be your emotional healing fountain or your biggest bully you can never escape from. We can never choose our parents that we want but they have the privilage to disown us whenever they like to.
The irony is most of us will still love them unconditionally regardless of all the flaws they display to us. I still love my mother despite being a control freak. She cares about me a lot rather than any of my friends who can only be with me in the good times.
Relatable and true tho worst if their people who stuck on their way and don’t change I seen those
Glad to see that Shiori is now living her best life pretty much. Im sure now her parents are happy to see their daughter becoming a cute goth vtuber. With thousands of novelites ready to fix her.
you don't need to fix what's already perfect
Didn't she tell us they don't know?
She would probably die if embarrassment lol
@@oleksandrtarasov2633I think she did, but I also don't know. Don't think she would be embarassed though.
@@gabgon6045 she told them she does streaming but she didn't tell exactly what she does, how and what she speaks about.
It is kinda embarrassing to show your friends & family a different you.
Looks like she is from a conservative family. Imagine her parents listening to their daughter's stories about nut gobblers, her experience and taste in anime men.
I don't think they would do anything about that anyway but that day they would learn what "cringe" is.
Kinda like Vesper, who didn't even admit to his family what he exactly does and how many people watch him.
Because they would check. And he didn't want that.
Same with Shiori
I just want to wrap her in a blanket and tell her she's important to everyone. 🥺
Me too
Ye. Shiori triggers my paternal instincts.
She knows.
Shiori doesn’t need to be babied but….*cries while hugging a clueless Shiori* YOURE WORTH A TRILLION DOLLARS TO US SHIORI, SO DONT BE SAD 😫
Honestly, she had just made me realize how little worth I see myself with based on my earnings.
Her's is much more extreme tho, I don't know if this is like a currency difference thing, but 2k dollars is an unthinkable amount for me! That must've been devastating to hear...
As much as it sucks to hear, I won't blame her parents or mine for their different idea of happiness, or rather, wanting guaranteed financial security for their daughter. I just assume that it's because of the time and condition they have lived in.
But hey! She's happier now! And we're all proud of that!
Well, 2k a month in the USA is literally nothing, it is pretty much an area of minimum wage and you would probably live from paycheck to paycheck even in the cheapest state.
However, in Poland 2k dollars a month is actually a solid salary. Not the highest, but you would live relatively comfortably if you are alone.
And in some other countries 2k a month might make you a "rich" person.
So don't be hard on yourself.
I personally check it always relative to my country's average salary.
It is pretty impossible to earn some amounts unless you're working/living where such high salaries are applicable, work in specific fields/IT or a business owner
I’m grateful that she’s in Hololive (sasuga best girl Yagoo), and I want her to know that we’re proud of her. Let’s hope to make more memories with Shiorin
Sounds to me like there's some emotional neglect going on with her parents, which hurts regardless of age and gender. In my experience, you find a coping mechanism that distracts you from all the ridicule and noise.
I’m really proud of you, Shiorin~
Oh, makes sense why she has not been as open about her personal background as the others from EN. Bringing it up means she'll end up talking about it and it resurfaces a lot of bad memories.
This really encapsulates how precious Shiori really is. I'm so glad that she's finally in a position where her talent can be recognized and we can support her.
Devaluating your own kids make them depend more on you because they seek your approval, and thus become more obedient and more people-pleasing.
We can't always please everyone no matter how hard we try...not even our loved ones... Hearing this story of hers immediately reminded me of that lesson I learned a long time ago. That was also the time that I decided to do my own thing without keeping up with other's standards.
I'm just glad that Shiori is doing great in her life. All those experiences that happened, brought her to where she is now. I just wish all the best for her from now on...
Yeah.. this is why I always feel so relatable to her. We are growing up in exact same environment. And now my parents are wondering why I don't have friends.. lol
Glad that she can get some freedom in her life now and her parents are not so controlling anymore.
Yeah, them's the feels. There's nothing quite like being turned into a nothing by people you look up to. If she'd earned 12k that month, they woulda still put her down.
Her parents sounds fucked up. Very impressed that Shiori still loves them.
This is the kind of thing that plagued me since I was young and nearly brought me to a breaking point with my folks recently… the dread that comes never feeling like I am good enough for them despite making it farther than I thought I ever would (personally/professionally).
I’m desiring my own space to grow and learn without being berated… and to even celebrate my successes. I’m glad that Shiori has that now, with also the ability to spread some joy to people that may need it - who may have gone through similar things as us.
I dnt normally comment but shiori we novelite are here to support you and you are one of the reasons i smile and laugh, 😊
Self-worth issues are really prominent in today’s world and I wish the best to anyone struggling with their perception of themselves.
Man that hit in them feels 😢hope she know how much she worth now and that she is doing alright now, some parents may had issue sometimes understanding their child but glad that Shiori make a living now
Shiori is Shiori, that is enough self worth.
And to anyone else reading this; never let anyone dictate to you your self worth. As long as you are happy in being yourself...someone else's standards should not be your aspiration for happiness.
Proud of her! It's easy for older grown-ups to neglect (what they consider) small achievements in their kids because they tend to forget where they came from - sometimes thinking "Well when I was their age I made more than that" (and sometimes that's not the case). Some parents measure the successes of their kids based on the bar they themselves have achieved later in adulthood and they forget that their kids achieved better than them. Whatever the reason... It's always best to genuinely celebrate people's successes... No matter how how small they are AND to encourage/guide them toward how to achieve greater successes along the way... Sure, there's a time and a place for "tough love" but only when someone has been doing wrongs and needs to have their eyes opened to the wrongs they're doing. But if you're already doing something good... praise the ever living crap out of those successes! 🤔👏😁
"When I was a kid I walked 50 miles to school every day, in the snow, uphill both ways, you kids have it so easy nowadays." - Some boomer probably
That’s rough to hear. I’m glad that she’s doing alright and I hope her perception on it has changed because she is absolutely more then whatever she is paid.
She fixed herself and is trying to fix us. 😢 I swear to God she better find her SO and live her happiest life because she deserves it!
She probably already has one, just can't talk about them on stream cause of weirdos.
@@burnttoast.2017A lot of people make this assumption about talents, and while it's not always untrue, one of the things that isn't talked about in the community is how working for an agency like Hololive isn't really conducive to maintaining romantic relationships. For a lot of talents "work/life balance" means "my life is Hololive." Not only are they spending the majority of their time streaming or working on projects, but they are encouraged to become close friends with their coworkers to the point that it becomes a closed ecosystem. Anything outside of that bubble becomes less and less relevant the farther they go.
Don't worry she already has one, it's me. I'll take good care of shiorin. 🫱🏻🫲🏼
@@Ayunda.Nelsen😬
@@Ayunda.Nelsen Us*, comrade
Our Gothic bookworm deserves alot of Headpats here. I refuse to never stop giving her Headpats here. She deserves it here ♥ 🐀
That's very sad to hear and I'm proud of Shiori for going out of that mindset.
However, her hard work and determination to reach the crazy goal is also admirable because God, it seems like not a path for weak-willed people. Whether she reached the requirements or not, you must appreciate the hustle.
I'm also proud, that she found a will to accept her family again and doesn't decline their attempts to be more close and friendly.
From the experience of my father and his parents, it is very difficult to forge something new upon a ruined relationship.
But here Shiori seems to be happy when telling some stories about them so I assume that in her case, their relationship indeed became better and it also made her more happy as well
Maaan this hit too close to home. My initial basis of what success was how many books I could buy with my monthly earnings (which is very low).
🤗
This is like a memory that I had buried deep for a long time but dug up. I told my mother about my first salary and she replied "Oh that small?" I loved that job but can't help but be disappointed with myself back then.
Very relatable... It was tough, as the one also been through it.
Her parents is not grateful of shiori earning back then. It's shameful
@@iNeedSleep...the jokes on us, she earns more than we ever will
@@anotherinternetperson8495 Because she's one of the lucky ones. You can imagine how many more PNGtubers and Vtubers only do this as a sidegig instead of their actual job.
@@iNeedSleep... Don't be scared let your daughter do what she wanted to do. Just support them on whatever they do. She's your daughter after all. Hope for the best for them, as long as she's not being a burden. Why so scared? You don't know their fate after all.
@@iNeedSleep... yeah, but to be honest, working online is always like that. You have to start with something small and easy. But I understand both sides. Working online you rather "take it or give it". 1% you will live freely (not rich), 99% you come back and work in the office.
@@pillarmenn1936 gonna be real chief. Better a pngtuber than a struggling actress in Hollywood or on onlyfans
From shiorin story i now relize how different each parents behavior, for me im really glad my parents support me even when im not have that big achievement they always comfort me im in a bad situation. Love your parents until the end you all❤
I wish I was getting $2000 pay checks.
Same, wish it was "nett" instead of "gross"
Yep, that's like half of the annual salary of an average worker in my country lol.
I will tell you, a paycheck for a young person of $2000 USD is never a *bad* or even mediocre thing, and if this was a significant time ago, even moreso. What I learned long ago is that parents are just people close to you always trying to figure life out the same way as you, and get influenced just as you have, whatever pedestal they put in accordance to themselves and their children or what they might have "meant" to convey or wanted for you.
But in this instance, that's just unrealistic to scoff at a $2000 paycheck when the vast majority of people, people we NEED in order to keep things running in society, would love that for a monthly check. And it'd still be scrapping by, not because of their efforts, but because companies just don't want to pay people what they are worth. And unfortunately, this skews people's perceptions when they see the $100k+ earners telling them on TV, social media, and the like, if you aren't running six figures, you're a failure or ain't worth squat. And guess where that trickles down? Parents with their children. Bad cycle, makes a lot of children who grow up to idolize grifters.
Long rant, but that grinds my gears that the more things change, the more they stay the same sometimes.
Im proud of you Shiorin.
we all make mistakes but its good Shiori has left it behind her now.. now she is an anime superstar
I'm glad she's at least ok now. I know that feel.
I used to work for $1 a day because I was underaged still and was just helping my aunt. That measly salary I got, my mom said "how could you not treat us out on your first salary"
I'm like, what salary, you wanna take all of it? (I didn't say that I just thought it)
Ah, the detached ones, theres just people i realize that doesnt have the ability to read people, or rather just dont care to do so
holy shit what, 2000 is a fucking lot
Not really, especially when you're living on your own
She’s so real for this 🥲
I Hope Shiorin is Welll now
I... really feel Shiori, especially with me being a male and the oldest child in my family. It's like the only worth you have is the amount of money you bring to the table, and if it is now big enough, then you're worthless.
Usually when the value doesn't get appreciate..it usually correlated with the thing you do doesnt align their interests..
For exampel,if you have 1 million pay check from being a mechanica some parent still look down on you for not being a Doctor.
I guess that’s another way i’d disappoint her parents.
Good on her for trying to make it work with her parents, it's shit like that which will make people not talk to their parents anymore.
My first pay i gave it to my father, in sort of recognition of his work for me, like a gesture, my mom get really pissed and practically bullied me to take it from my dad and gave it to her, i think I despise money just fir and that's a really present moment in my memory even today.
Idk if it’s Asian/minority households in general, but gen 1 Asian here and yep. Same treatment. Only good take I got from my rough upbringing is to NOT do what my mom did lmaoo
She always spoils her Novellites and all we wanna do is spoil her back rotten! We are so proud of our goth oshi 🙏
I wish I earned the equivalent of 2000 dollars.
And I'm a fucking doctor.
oh the number of 'hobbies' I dropped before they became passion because I couldn't reach a standard high enough to get compliments from my own parents.
I am starting to assume she got asian parents with the family culture she has
Weird that sometimes, the teachings and supports are not from their parents, but from some other person.
Especially mentally.
One eventually just “learn” from the parents.
We don’t deserve her
Praise hard work, not accomplishment
I might have to give her a watch
I have something like this but with a few of my friends. Im a programmer and i get paid very well. I also have friends who have decent jobs but i feel there are times among my friends they like to compare income. I dont hide what i make if they ask me outright but i also dont think thats normal among people. I know their job dont make as much as me but it makes me uncomfortable when the use me to guage themselves and then form some weird jealousy. Among the friends theres also entrepreneurs who makes more than me but i dont think they care enough how our other friends view/feel about us. I remember i argued with one of them when he lost his job and his take was i can say xyz because i have it made but in turn that friend was very nonchalant type and i gave it my all to help him on his feet than he himself put in the effort. For some context, i wrote that guy a recommendation letter and updated his resume as well as talking with recruiters to hot sell him, meanwhile the guy himself asking me to play LoL with him because he got nothing to do 😒
It is relatable for asian culture. I saw many breakdown and go the metamorphosis path. Not to the point of homeless but to the point of your parents berating you and almost kicking you out. Yeah life is beautiful and harsh.
Ok guys are we really sure we can fix this since alot of us probabaly already long gone by now
*Thanks for clipping shiori. Haven't seen the live chat, discord nor the vods rn. Because I'm so busy with college like we got our prelims like last last week then our instructors are like: _(Boy......... Midterms next 2 weeks)_. _Also nice outr~ (Sleeps because it's 10pm here)*
P.S: Ik that you're in discord DDOS (Never gonna abbreviate your name again _Bad move_). Can you please send this to them. So at least I'm still alive and active :)
-Pohai99 (Hope you see this xD)
Wait who is them
@@DailyDoseOfShiorin *I thought your in the novella files server . Right? Also morning*
@@pohai99 Good Morning
@@pohai99 and no I dont hangout in Fan Discords often but I joined Shiori's archives and Shiori's Library
2k$ is literally 100000+ k in php... That's just completely crazy
In US 2k dollars is minimum wage mainly cause mas mahal cost of living
Hmmm, look like she shares the same role in advent as kiara’s one in myth.
Awww 😭 what? A 2k paycheck isn't enough for Mama and Papa Novella? That hurts 💔
Idk her parents but come on at least You can give her a "good job Pat Pat", I mean when I was younger working class man, i got with income much much lower than that, and my parents praise me for it, so I knew I need to get better jobs so i can take care better of them. Shiorin could be broken (so as us) but She's an unique, sweet, lovely and funny girl who works really hard for vtubing, she deserves all Pat Pat she needs
Asian parents moment?
The main problem with Asian parent or the old Asian generation in general, lack of small appreciation, and wanting high standards for their kids. **A song plays in the background by Simple plan called Perfect**
Bro 2000 is a good number..... Must have been that asian parent thing where they only count if it's a doctor salary. ...oof. Thankfully this stuff hasn't kept her from being a sweet, bubbly person. For me it wasn't about money numbers but for my folks everything i do must be either good or perfect, even if it's about non important stuff. Just 'ok' isn't good enough, just because.
Damn what's wrong with her parents?
Maybe this sounds like a typical joke on the internet, but as an Asian, I have never gotten any praise nor any "I love you" from my parents. I never said that to my parents either, don't get me wrong, our relationship is normal, but I think because of environment, lifestyle, idk hardly any parents said those things to their child, they take care of the child silently tho. But I think Shiori's feeling at that time is justified because when everyone around you gets their parents' recognition for achievements and you don't then you have the right to be sad. Luckily she understood their thought tho. I hope she's more happy now.
Trueeeee, its so hard to make this point across specially to westerners. We very much care and love our family but we never ever say it. Its weird and kinda cringe. 😂
But sometime I do wish my father had atleast once said he was proud of me.
Does anyone know the timestamp for the stream? I can’t find it
Just like how everyone is shit at something the first time they do it, I believe the same goes for parenting. You don't know what the fuck to say or do that's appropriate but with the years comes experience. I'm glad her parents are past that now.
When someone prefaces this kind of story with "I love my parents" you immediately know the parents were abusive. This story in particular isn't even "Asian parents" stereotype thing. It's just parents straight up refusing to give their child credit where it's due, and putting her down instead. It's toxic and I feel bad for her.
😭
Sounds like traditional asian parents.
You either be a doctor/lawyer, or you earn as much/more than them.
Ah asian parents
Yeah that's sad... But what job did she do that pays her 2k a week? That or it was probably biweekly
Most countries pay saleries monthly, I think weekly and biweekly is an American thing. I could be wrong.
For some reason, that remind me of certain Malcom in the middle ep. one of the few scenes that i watched from that show, because i disliked it.
Ain’t nothing worse than a *skewered* perception. If only she had a _skewed_ perception, she wouldn’t have had to suffer that long. C’est la vie 🤷♂️ 😞
Yeah, def asian.
Yeah, definitely Asian
Oh poor Shiorin, she doesn't even realize
how lucky she is
because she has no idea of true sadness
because she doesn't know...me! ;D
I'm incarnate Sorrow,my soul is a dark room like...
my whole life
I'm like a hole filled with bottom,ooooh
but sometimes the black sun shines on me
my black hole son cause dispersion of depression
that's why I still have few pieces
of sense of humor
...maybe that ghosts inhabiting my house
that's how they work?
Who knows, no one can get rid of them,
there are too many of them,
not all of them are friendly
even Tibetan monks and their rituals are powerless
in front of this "extremely heavy energy of
sadness misery and despair"
Dark karma of my Samsaric life
even the darkest Gothic fans
they were unable to stay with me and be my wife xD
- Honey? We need to talk...
- What's going on,my black licorice candy sweetie ?
- Well...
- yeeEEEEezzz?
-...either ghosts or me, choose!
- You know I can't do anything, we are a family,
like the Adamses,what can I do?
- ok, I understand, thank you, I quit, I'm leaving,
I love you, goodbye everyone fleshly and fleshless
- BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT
(SLAMMING OF DOORS)
Living with ghosts is very demanding
especially when they are spirits of sadness
This isn’t the saddest story. She slipped earlier on and mentioned what it’s like to get clay because her family could not afford other types of gifts.
Her parent’s reaction on this one was also likely to help her understand that living expenses add up, and 2000 was simply not enough, she was gonna need to save much more than that.