Sad news. I knew her and her husband, Bernard. They would come over for dinner parties my dad would host. Margaux was nice but used to getting her way, even in conversations about things outside her expertise. Bernard was lovely with a wry sense of humor. Their family owned a yacht, the "Mauretania" in Marina del Rey, docked next to my dad's 50' Gulf Star, the "Poltergeist". That's where the friendship between our families began. They lived a life of excess made possible due in great part to royalties from their grandfather's writings. So, not a curse. Just 1980s excess.
But didn't Margeux Hemingway die because she killed herself? Didn't her grandfather die the same way? I think that is where the curse is being referenced?
Referring to multi-generational addiction and parental abuse as a "curse" only helps keep solid information and realistic therapies for mental health out of reach. It wasn't about being a "Hemingway." It was about the neglect of her parents and their modeling alcohol abuse as a way to deal with pain. Addiction and other self-destructive behaviors happen to many families, whether famous, beautiful, wealthy, or not.
@@Faffy58 Nope. Romanticizing family dysfunction and alcoholism is not “art” unless perhaps you’re a vacuous manipulative narcissist who treats family & friends like props or marionettes and plays crap behavior off as such.
I met her once at Henri Bendel, a legendary store on 57th Street in NYC. I worked in the mailroom downstairs, but I happened to be on the first floor when she was in the store. I'm six-one and either she was six-one or wearing -- or not wearing -- shoes that made us exactly the same height, so our eyelines were at exactly the same level, an experience I had never had before while standing beside a woman. In fact she had gorgeous eyes and an attractively raspy voice. I'm sorry her life ended as it did -- but if the term "supermodel" had yet to be coined, she certainly embodied it. She was on the cover of "Time" magazine at the acme of her modeling career, and to be on the cover of "Time" was, in those days, a big, big deal.
I remember seeing where the paparazzi had filmed Margaux attending a bull fight in Spain. She was all smiles. But she did not know that the bull would be killed at the end. I will never forget her face when she broke down at the horror of seeing the bull killed. She was a very sensitive person. She really should not have been in the cutthroat worlds of modeling and Hollywood. She loved animals. She would have been much better off using her famous name to help animals. I believe that would also have been healing for her and steered her away from substance abuse and people who just wanted to use her for what they could get. RIP beautiful Margaux. ❤🙏🌹
I just finished yelling at my dad for having Naked and Afraid on. They were about to kill a large turtle. I just lost it. He forced us to watch the News as we ate dinner. I hate him still for all the pain he's caused. I can't understand how he's gotten away with so much and still lives the life of a king. Makes zero sense while I suffer every single day of my life.
@@innfield8836 Just know you are not alone. There are many in the same situation. Not all of us have a family or circle of caring people around us. You have the strength within you, despite what you may think at times. You do. Believe THAT and carry on. Each day, each week. Just say to yourself, 'not today' and keep working forward. Take a deep breath, and another. Go for a walk, outside, in nature. It does wonders.
THERE IS such a thing as a curse. Just not in this instance. Most American Caucasians are extremely naive to the ways of life and the ways of the universe. As a result, many families who have everything good, have the worst kids. You invite people into your homes who are heavily into spirit worship and black magic who also envy you. I used to work as a nanny, I've seen many events like such. I prayed over and saved the children I cared for. But the parents were so dumb and naive. I'd warn them, but they had no clue.AND IT'S USUALLY FAKE FRIENDLY FACED PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES OF ALL RACES THAT I'VE SEEN DO THIS. Not Americans. Our culture is God based in America for born and bred REAL AMERICANS. The ones who are decended from the slaves, early pioneers and settlers, etc. We weren't taught that type of wickedness.
She was so stunning. You have amazing pictures and clips in here. You forgot one of the biggest things about her that she is known for. She signed a million dollar contract with Faberge’ as a spokesperson for Babe perfume back in the ‘70s, and was the first model to ever be awarded such a lucrative contract. Also, her sister Joan who is known as “Muffet” is still alive. She did not commit suicide, but has been institutionalized for decades due to mental illness. Further, Mariel has said that she is certain their father sexually abused both Margot and Joan and the mother knew it. I believe Margot also discussed this publicly. Mariel said the mother used to have her sleep in bed with her, and Mariel believes that she did this so he would not sexually abuse her. Very tragic story. The documentary Running From Crazy by Mariel is really good if anyone is interested in more about Margot, Joan and Mariel and the family’s struggles with mental illness.
@@lynnyhen It is very irresponsible for misreading the post and commenting so erroneously. Nowhere does it say Joan committed suicide. Reread, and slowly this time, and make sure you get it right for once. You're certainly not alone in your error. If nothing else social media commentary has blasted to pieces any delusions of either intelligence or fundamental responsibility within the masses. That is no excuse for you, however, that is the very terror of it..
A photogenic face of an angel . Being beautiful is not what many people would think It can be difficult socially capable of making others jealous ,envious , cruel, sadistic Mainly other womenfolk will hate them. alienation from true friends . Because you are too beautiful to not envy 😮
@jennaolbermann7663 I think this video did in a subtle way lean towards that that word curse really isn't a curse, around 18:07 - 18:40 it is nature AND nurture that we take on unconsciously from the time we're born (nature, DNA genetics) and then brought home (the environment where nurture; there or not, is the constant) by a certain age some foundations of survival varies. Look at how siblings can be so different. For such a channel they did point out her strength in which she did have sad life - to be alone with such deep issues and ignored.
@@dianeamaral8151 thank you. I should have added that I strongly disagree with using that word. More like brainwashed by hearing over and over and it's usually the negative, I believe, about family members problems etc, it can be the identity that the family actually takes on ~ a hard cycle to break.
have u read her sister's book or seen the doc put out by her sister? they are very weird and talk about the fact that margaux's father was abusing her sexually and nothing was done about it. the sister talks about it like it was a love affair between the father and daughter- margaux- it is disgusting and absurd how screwed up these parents were and how this effected margaux! i feel so bad for her! she had a horrible family who almost seemed to condone incest- it is no wonder she took her own life- may she rest in peace!!!
Children who grow up in abusive situations can sometimes become desensitized to it & see it as a norm they model & repeat. Sometimes, repeating it is also an attempt to avoid their victimhood & take back their lost power. (I did child psychology as part of my teaching degree)..
@@christineduffy3113Why would the sister lie. And if she was lying to ruin her fathers reputation, she woukdnt frame abuse as a love affair. She'd frame it as it is: terrible . Unless.... being just a child trying to understand & make sense of it & being around it for years, she become desensitized & saw it as a norm.
@@sarahholland2600 She said she never saw anything and her sister never once said she was abused just something she felt was happening she wrote a book so nothing concrete iny opinion but whatever the sister sounds quite unstable think the whole family was
How awful to just be alone,or lonely. The fact that family wasnt really interested. One can only take so much. I promise,you had purpose. Much respect.
It's a demonic thing, as a Christian l see the world in a spiritual way now. Mental illness is one of the ways evil will try and get at people with ,see it for what it is, don't own it, pray over it, don't entertain negative or weird thoughts that come Into your mind. Things should improve. "My" depression is almost non-existent now as I realised it wasn't a part of me. I deny it a "home" if you like. The enemy wants us to suffer as much as possible, mentally & physically. Also helping others is a good antidote
Often the truth about why someone is so tormented is quite hidden and the biggest secret of their lives. It's not that uncommon sadly. But it's highly destructive of lives. "In the 1990s, Margaux reported that she had been sexually abused by her father as a child. In 2013, her younger sister Mariel said in the documentary Running from Crazy that both Margaux and their older sister Muffet had been sexually abused by their father." We don't have to wonder that hard how both of Mariel's older sisters ended up dead young. It's devastating to be molested as a child especially by a close family member. That was the biggest tragedy of her life and what ultimately killed her.
Most of these family problems stem from one thing….alcoholism. My father was the product of an alcoholic nasty mother. He turned out to be not a nice person…..very abusive. Alcoholism is as bad or worse than drug addiction and the children that come out of that garbage, usually a lot of problems in life.
Luci's do that to their kids before 5 to 'bring out talent'. God gives us imagination without parental s()d()my. Luci's are paid to sell their ideas to the world in music, movies, sport and advertising and to socially engineer the destruction of the family unit
@@christynorman7288HI Christy. I am also a survivor. You have my empathy and best wishes. I would say this has effected me on every level and has effected my entire life. I don't think it's possible to ever 100% heal. But we are here and doing the best that we can.
This is not a curse. It’s a family disjunction. Parents are terrible parents. The kids are raised by terrible parents. It hurts the next generation to the core that seems impossible to overcome. Some do, but most don’t unfortunately.
We are all imperfect & incomplete. Forgive your parents .I have a long time ago. My dad past away . My mom is still alive & I love them both although the issues & troubles & sorrows & angers continue .💜🥁🐉🎤🎶💞
Suicide goes so far back in her family, if I remember correctly her grandfather, his father and grandfather as well. Perhaps bi polar as well as substance abuse was rumored to have some other behaviors in the family. If the father & grandfather stay knock down drunk for months at at time on binge drinking ,sometimes the children get abused witch makes the cycle of mental illness & substance abuse continue. Give them endless money & liberal access to cocaine and alcohol people die young.
The “Hemingway Curse” is not a jinx it is mental illness and addiction, both are genetic disorders. Ernest Hemingway was well known to drink and be “melancholy”.
@@michelleobrien6996 that isn’t a “curse” it is a terrible crime committed against a child. BUT Even if it did not happen ..she more than likely would still have behaved the same way as an adult. She was who she was
Addiction is not a genetic disorder There is no biology whereby the offspring of addicts must become addicts. Even babies of crack addicts who used while pregnant are successfully treated. It is not a biological fatality. While it can be argued that children will ape the behaviours they observe; there is no fatality nor genetics involved. These excuses are what perpetuate these practices
@@maximillianafrancine1451 It does not matter. Your genetics will NOT let you escape. They are a part of you. Your argument of nature vs nurture is not applicable because it has been already proven. Genetics will always win.
@@maximillianafrancine1451 That is total bull. The longer a people have had a grape growing society, the less alcoholism. Northern Europeans suffer more than Southern Europeans. People in the Middle East have low alcoholism levels. Native Americans suffer terribly. There is a genetic factor. Also suicide is a legacy. That is a fact. It is a "curse" you visit on your family when you take your own life. Just because a crack baby can be safely detoxed doesn't mean he can take up social drinking with any safety whatsoever.
I remember at the time, the press was merciless to Margaux and glowing to Mariel. I remember that she constantly struggled with mental health. The family was famously dysfunctional and Margaux struggled to come to terms with it. It is a very sorrowful story.,
I never saw Lipstick, but I could imagine people would just love to make that gorgeous girl feel old and less talented next to her little sister. I've seen that before. People hate when someone is so beautiful! They go after her age. Call her untalented. Make her feel she can be easily replaced by the next young thing. Mariel is also beautiful but Margaux's beauty is on another level! And that can make an audience have a harder time relating, Which is an important component to acting. Really sad.
@@karenweston2714 Excellent comment, karenweston2714. That is a horrible proposition: to mercilessly attack someone who's beautiful just out of spite, but yeah, I can see some totally sad and pathetic individual subjecting someone else to that kind of psychological abuse simply out of jealous lust. Margaux was absolutely gorgeous and indeed the theme of the movie 'Lipstick' reflects that kind of hatred of someone who dared to be born way too irresistible for their own good (in the assailant's twisted opinion) so they must make them pay. This is the f cked up world we live in.. sadly! That said, they will never be able to to take away her status and legacy as the most beautiful woman of the XXth century.
A horrendous family history. I saw Mariel speak some yrs ago after she wrote her book. She's worked really hard to get away from her family's dysfunction. But also, pls remember, society's changed a lot too. Pls remember this woman Mariel, costarred in a movie w/ Woody Allen as her love interest when she was 17 & just finishing high school. Woody was in his forties, pretty inappropriate, but no one batted an eye at the time.
Both sides of my family have a history of suicides. However, because the words “mental illness” was so taboo; we simply referred to it as “A history of suicides” and not a history of mental illnesses.
Ain't that the truth! Family members can be the worst. They don't understand how much they compound the problem. And when it's too late... they say, "I can't believe this happened."
I agree. Most people who have never been depressed have no idea how much it effects someone. The most important thing is to be there for someone who is depressed.
As she was sexually molested child by father, she naturally had psychological problem. Her sister at 16 was with Woody Alan. Margaux was angry on mother who let husband to molest her daughter. Poor Margaux ❤rest in peace
That’s heartbreaking… It’s so awful how common such trauma was and still is and I wish people would understand the link to mental disorders and emotional distress…
In the movie Manhattan, Mariel was in love with Woody. In real life, Mariel couldn't believe her parents told Woody "yes" when he asked if 16 yo Mariel could go with him to NYC for the weekend. Mariel declined.
@@doloresbriseno2567 Woody married his daughter, after he had an affair, with her, while was married to Mia ! Then he adapts 2 girls in that marriage with daughter ! Then Mia and her son, after so many years, sued him again, for molesting her other daughter when she was very very small . Documentary “Allen v. Farrow” . . . He has power . . . Very disturbing behavior . . . Though he is talented director . . .
@@ImDJ733 I misunderstood. I thought you said Mariel Hemingway was with Woody, when she was kind of repulsed by him. I lived in NYC when the Woody/Soon Yee scandal happened. He's so gross.
Poor lovely girl 😢 All she ever wanted was to be loved. Personally, I don't believe Margaux took her own life, rather the cause was accidental overdose ☹️ A merciful release? Such a tragedy still. I know Margaux and her sister are at peace now. Rest well. ❤️✨❤️✨❤️
JULIA YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL ADORABLE SEDUCTIVE RAVISHING SEXY CAPTIVATING AND PASSIONATE YOUR BEAUTY IS PHENOMENAL IF MICHELANGELO WERE ALIVE TODAY YOU WOULD BE HIS MUSE ❤
I recall Margaux Hemingway as a fresh-faced classic beauty. She and Lauren Hutton were two of my favorites in the fashion world, but Margaux left much too soon. Thank you for this evocation of memories.
Since when is the Betty Ford Clinic considered 'infamous'? RIP Margeaux. Despite your stunning beauty and talent the cesspool that is the modeling industry of the 70s and 80s (remember 'heroin chic'?) was possibly the worst environment for someone so vulnerable as you.
I went to a Florida rehab in 2009. Met several older women who had gone thru Betty Ford and panned it. Doubly bad b/c it was considered top tier & wickedly expensive. From what they shared with me, the protocols/treatment were basically the same as other rehab. ctrs. Remember, these women were now back in rehab again! Recidivism is high 4 rehab overall. Repeat customers. Follow the money. And the alcohol & pharma industry.
@reneelynch710I thought that too. More 90s However Gia carangi was top model in the 70s and was a heroin addict and it sounds like it was being used in the industry at that time also. Gia also died from AIDS from needle use and was 1 of the very first women to contract and die from AIDS. Oops I sent reply to wrong line.
Joan was Margaux’s full sister, not half. Their father Jack committed in*est against both of them, which he denied. I don’t know if either told their mother before moving out on their own. The SA from their father would’ve caused an extreme psychological burden, just on its own and even worse if they’d told their mother and she didn’t do anything or didn’t believe them.
Not well researched. Joan is alive and is not Margaux’s half sister but full. She was dead a long time by the time she was found. She had some barbiturates in her system but it’s not what killed her. She had epilepsy and died of a seizure.
The ‘curse’ is the lack of mental care throughout the family. It’s not the money or the illness. It was the lack of understanding and support within the family. Unfortunately, that ‘curse’ hits everyone.
*What drove Margaux over the edge at the end.* In my youth, I knew the fellow who Margaux threw over in favor of her first husband, Errol Wetson. TK and Errol were good, if not best friends at the time and they may have even been at the Plaza together when Wetson met Margaux. In any event, Errol's friend wanted Margaux probably more than Wetson did, yet she chose Errol over TK. TK was also a lawyer and it was he who negotiated Margaux's million dollar perfume contract. He never got over her jilting him in favor of Errol and towards the end of her life when she was down and out, TK SUED her for $50,000 claiming she never paid him for having negotiated her Faberge contract. What a creep. When he told me he was suing Margaux, I stopped speaking to him finally seeing him for the petty, sick creep he was. If you read the People interview with Margaux done before her untimely end, she mysteriously references TK saying, (I'm paraphrasing here) "Some people never let go of the past." I never learned of the final judgment of the lawsuit and whether or not TK was awarded the $50K he was seeking from Margaux, but the fact that a wealthy man such as he sued Margaux speaks volumes regarding his lack of compassion and character. Kind regards.
@@michelleobrien6996 I wondered the same thing regarding a statute of limitations, but as TK is a high level mason - anything is possible in a court of law, including ignoring a statute of limitations by the judge. As for TK waiting as long as he did to sue MH - rest assured it wasn't about his needing the money, because as I stated in my earlier comment, TK is wealthy. TK's sick gesture was about hurting MH in any way possible - causing her grief and anxiety. MH probably lacked the funds necessary to hire a lawyer to answer TK's Complaint, and if MH didn't appear in court, TK might have been given a Summary Judgment in his favor. I have no idea in what jurisdiction TK filed his lawsuit but it was probably NYC where the contract was originally signed. And know this wasn't TK's first rodeo in filing a frivolous lawsuit to cause another person grief.
maybe she didnt pay him and as drunks do she put him off with her ways thinking well he is rich i need it more than him. all you people are trying to justify her life. the curse woooooooo. i am responsible for my actions, so was she.@@AshkenaziChristian
@@Davidautofull You will eat your words here when God reminds YOU how you rejected Him and *ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS of rejection." Moreover, your lack of empathy for Margaux is typical of sociopathic behavior. As for MASONIC curses they are very real, like it or not. The Hemingways were MASONS, which is one of the reasons Margaux and her older sister complained of being molested by their father. Molestation of a family member IS a masonic satanic ritual. In the KJV bible, ANYBODY who takes an OATH is thereafter CURSED. Zechariah 8:17, "And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD." AND James 5:12, "But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; LEST YE FALL INTO CONDEMNATION." [Emphasis mine.]
@Davidautoful Do you agree with sponging vinegar on the cracked lip of those dying of thirst? It's probably legal somewhere. Narcys never know it. It's always the other mf.
Margot Robbie should play her if they ever made a movie on her life. I loved her so much growing up. When others were fawning over Brooke Sheilds I was more her fan.
I wasnt aware of the troubled feelings between the sisters or about the their sisters suicide. I do know what its like to have 2 older resentful, jealous siblings and this had a devastating effect on my life.One sibling died from cancer,a disease she boasted she would never get, and I found out 2 yrs later.The other one has not spoke to me in years even though I reached out after the other ones death.Such a miserable family made by 2 people that never should have tried to be parents. Just because you can make babies doesnt mean you should! Anyway, I'm sure Margaux is at peace because she sure didnt have a happy life.
Like everyone else she was looking for love. Even people who are physically beautiful, are insecure and have feelings of inadequacy, like everyone else
I have an older friend, one day it occurred to me she reminded me of the Hemingway sisters somehow, and I wondered if she liked Margaux Hemingway? It was so random that I didn’t say anything. That same day, my friend spontaneously told me she grew up with Margaux, and that they were really good friends. It was quite strange. My friend also told me she talked to Margaux about a week before she died, and that she seemed to be doing really great, counter to popular opinion. I like to think it was margauxs way of saying hello.
I think you summed it up perfectly! I believe GOD would agree with you❣️ When mankind chose to reject GOD'S wisdom and provision it was *LOVE* we rejected, in exchange for a lie of satan promising us that we would become "like God" if we could just acquire that "forbidden knowledge!" Look where it got us! May your poor dear soul through the MERCY of GOD rest in peace beautiful Margaux Hemingway🌹🌹🌹✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏
I do remember her saying her mother witheld food from her. I can't remember her mother's supposed reason for that. But it was perceived by her as real intentional deprivation on her mother's part. Imagine! Then on the other hand, her father was having sex with her--- neither parent can be relied on like a parent. Tho she might have thought her dad was ok. Big responsibility without comfort.
@@MagdalenaIsaiah431 Many, many people who committ suicide believe in god. God has NOTHING to do with being genetically predisposed to bi-polar disorder.
I knew the Hemingway ‘girls’ when I lived in Sun Valley during the 1970’s… they had the advantage of recognizable ‘fame’ but sadly the entire family needed mental health supervision. They wanted to be like everyone else but did everything they could to not be like that at all…
People talk about her “beauty”. Wrong focus people because the Lady had mental health issues, and addiction problems as well. Beauty is fleeting. It’s utterly ridiculous people focus on the former.
Margaux was so beautiful, and yet she had so many problems she was unsupported in dealing with. May she rest in peace, she deserved much more love and care in her life.
Mental illness is terrible. Depression is a continual struggle. It’s important to stay current with medical appointments, keep a diary of symptoms, always take medication, and contact your doctor ASAP when you experience problems.
Way to much work for the depressed… depression is a form of retreat depression ( decompress) when depression hits it’s debilitating one side of your brain wants to connect with the outside world but the bigger half will not allow it never mind the body 😢 the fatigue is unbearable!!! A loop of guilt ,self doubt hideing from family and friends ect.. like a sick secret that you think no one will understand ( most do not) and judge you if they found out seeing you in that state (so you hide and make excuses) cancel plans stay inside overthink pace the floors not being able to turn off your brain to the point where it feels like you want to tear your hair out to make it stop the only escape is sleep but you cannot do that either 😮that continues over and over until you have no no quality of life 😢 some self medicate to hide the tremendous anxiety to help fight going out in the world when all you want to do is hide disengage but can not. The push and pull of wanting to get out and the guilt that comes with it is daily torture that I cannot fully describe..Finding the right medical help is a full time job in the sterile fast paced medical field that quite frankly dismisses the severity of your condition.. don’t even get me started on the prescriptions complex combination of prescriptions to help relieve your symptoms can take years meanwhile if you do not have the right combination all the side effects come flooding in becoming overweight, sluggish, numb , forgetful It goes on and on😢…. my apologies to whoever took the time to read this for mostly I wrote it for myself to get it out of my brain and into words or somehow it seems more real and not so invisible and thought….. The complexity of the brain is unique to each individual experience I wouldn’t wish mental illness on anyone it is an invisible sickness that people think can easily be corrected unfortunately that is not always the case a lot of it ends up in suicide💔😩.. as the years peel by you end up shutting down and living in your head because nobody gets it they just don’t understand it I would rather have a physical illness for this is invisible it can’t be seen or touched or removed I can only be expressed through words and after reading what I wrote it’s only a quarter of the experience……
I'm totally confused. You mention that in 1984 Margaux received news her half-sister, Joan Hemingway, died by suicide. But the only Joan Hemingway I could find is Margaux's older sister, not half-sister, and is still very much alive. Please clarify. Thank you.
I loved the documentary, but the music didn’t suit the topic. At times it was happy when the topic was sad. I think a different choice in music would have made it so much better. Thank you for the story, and sad life of MH.
Ernest Hemingway suffered from hemochromatosis. A debilitating hereditary disease it causes dementia and severe unbearable pain. It ran in the Hemingway family and Ernest's grandfather, father and most of his siblings committed suicide. Today it can be treated if caught early enough. Margaux suffered from epilepsy. She was taking strong medication to control it and might have accidently overdosed.
In every case - its parental failure that leads to their children having problems as adults. When are we as a people going to get in to "healthy parenting" instead of the next technology?
@jj33438 Sorry I must respond to your “In every Case” comment! Every situation is different so how can you say that? Are you a parent? I just erased a long reply ….however…I have raised nine kids and have ten grandkids. Out of that two have problems that look like won’t ever be resolved as they don’t want it. Once they turn 18 it’s done, frustrating as it is. Our other kids have resented the time and money devoted to the two in an effort to help them.They love each other but when you can’t start college cause your brother is in rehab again ….you understand? I would be interested in how you arrived at that conclusion? In our case you are wrong ❤
yOU ARE RIGHT. I was too general. I do have congratulate you on raising 7 wonderful kids..the troubled 2 are not your fault. and I apologize for being so general. Thanks for the eye opener! @@NanaGagie
@@NanaGagieYes, with our children it’s not always simply environment and parental involvement. We can’t ignore genetics which is far from straightforward.
@@NanaGagie Money is not the answer. Most of the time it is lack of attuning to the child. Having 7 kids would highly likely involved lack of attunement to each individual kid. Hope your two kids under 18 get the right help they need, probably through reparenting via psychotherapy in a nurturing environment void of rejecting self-centered caregivers.
@@24JJ821 Thank You for your reply, however, I think you misunderstood me. To clarify , the child who has NOT had problems resented the fact he could not go to college we had planned on for him because so much money spent on yet more rounds of rehab etc. Although we did discuss this as a family prior to it all and the siblings love each other, it can be tough. So yes, money does factor in.
Thank you for featuring her. I saw in an episode of E! True Hollywood Story that she was named Margaux because her parents had shared a bottle of Chateau Margaux wine before she was conceived.
I find it hard to believe that Margaux and Mariel were never close just because they were 7 years apart. Margaux wanted Mariel to play her sister in the movie right? Sounds like there was love there
She died as a result of her alcoholism. She was so young and tabloids had a field day with her drunken behavior, which didn't help one bit. I saw her movie "Lipstick". Her real sister, Mariel, was in it too. Such a tragic end to a young woman with a promising future.
I always thought that she was such a beautiful woman, & I remember being so jealous of her that her dad had been this epic author. So sad. RIP pretty lady 💕
This makes it sound like she had died the night before when she was found. It was reported her body was badly decomposed so obviously she had died several days prior.
She had a face that only comes along once in a generation. Perfect from every angle. Margaux's face was in fact the face of the 1970s, and even that seems like an understatement. I would even dare nominate her as the Face of the Century. Before there was even a Linda Evangelista, there was Margaux. She started the supermodel phenomenon in the 1970s. By the way, when is someone going to publish a pictorial book of all of her photographs? It's long overdue!
@@YeshuaKingMessiah Linda is gorgeous , but her face is imperfect, starting with her nose. Margaux's face was perfect. I really don't know how else to explain it. It feels weird to nitpick these beautiful women's faces, but oh well.. such is life. Linda was definitely the face of the '90s and Margaux was the face of the 70s, but for me, Margaux's is the truly and unforgettably perfect face. RIP!
@@valsainking I think we need to retire this “perfect face” thing. Very Nazi-like-obsession-with-white-physical-archetypes creepy. But then again all these vacuous Gen Tik Tok members are all about the skin deep and they apparently want to look 18 when they’re 58 (and creep out / creep on their younger counterparts, yuck) so I guess things are going to continue to suck hard in pop culture, where brains & talent are secondary/tertiary to appearance.
I think Cara Delavingne has a similar look, yet it took me a long time to understand why Cara is considered beautiful and with Margaux I see it immediately.
i remember her in the 70's and the famous commercial w/ billy carter. her beauty is timeless. her eyebrows were huge for the 70's, but fit right in today. she's gorgeous. sad about her personal life. RIP 💋 thx.
I met her around 1985 at The Golden Door and I had her as my guest for a week, she was very over weight and I think her hair was cut super short. She didn’t look well, she also asked if I could get her some drugs and I said no of course. She talked fondly of Idaho; and I was very sad when I heard she passed away, had hoped she would overcome her depression and substance abuse. RIP Margaux.
In the video it says that Muriel and Margaux’s older, half-sister, Joan, died of suicide in 1984. THAT NEVER HAPPENED! As of 2023, Joan Hemingway is alive and well and 73 years old.
Did Margaux have two sisters named Joan? Because I'm reading that she is still very much alive so I'm confused. Anyway, her death was very shocking to me, and I had no idea there was such a rift between her and Mariel.
It may not be a curse, but from the perspective of someone who dealt with abuse and mental illness, it definitely feels like a curse at times. Familial mental illness is so devastating, it often feels surreal.
@@windowgirl7300 It was a moment that I had experienced, that’s all.Has nothing to do with what happened in her life.That’s a whole other subject sadly.
She would have been the same age as me (69) But sadly, some people are born never to make old bones. And some jobs and industry's just seems to attract the fragile.Yet,still they sign up to the dream.Only to be cast aside.A sad troubled lifetime, which without friends or family really could end only one way😢.May she have found rest & peace.❤Another good video,painful to watch,but so interesting and informative 😊Allan&Family
I can understand how it was called The Heming way Curse but I can't help but think that there are many ailments/diseases/conditions that run in families. Anxiety, depression, body dysmorphia and schzophrenai for example. The word 'Curse' might have made(some) sense back then but it was also a lot more 'Sensational' than labelling the family with a Curse. With todays findings I don't think the word Curse would ever be used because there is a name for every disease and its extremely common for those diseases to runs in families.
Suicide literature recognises that close family members who commit suicide can leave the rest of the family many times more likely to commit suicide themselves...
Margeaux ‘s biggest barrier to acting success was her speaking voice. It was terrible sounding. Her voice was gravelly, too deep, and actually shocked people when they heard it. Her voice actually made us cringe first time we heard it. It was the THING no one spoke of. But, it was bad. A blender on high gear was more comfortable to the ear than her speaking voice. Why it wasn’t addressed by a speech pathologist is unknown. It sure would have made a difference.
I am a speech pathologist, and I agree completely. A gravelly voice, for a woman, can be an asset. Remember Margot Kidder, who played Lois Lane with Christopher Reeve? Kathleen Turner? About Margaux's same vintage. That rasp stems from vocal abuse, smoking, drinking, too much yelling, loud laughter, etc. It often shows up in pre-teen girls but usually goes away because these girls tend to settle down and become more self-aware and "lady-like." Not all, certainly, and probably fewer than did so 50 years ago. Anyway, this is the long way around to say that MH had something else going on with her voice that made it... wow. Not so good. A friend of mine used to call her Rocky the flying squirrel. And she did sound a lot like the Rocky and Bullwinkle squirrel. It was higher and gravelly, and it was never what you expected to come out of her mouth. Low and sonorous is what I would expect. But there was no one more beautiful. A beauty + a weight problem = tragedy. Sorry but it's true.
@@stacypeterson7755 As an actor, I have great respect and appreciation for your profession! It’s fascinating and so advantageous learning speech for actors from one. We used Edith Skinners program at my conservatory. Speech pathologists can save a career and save a child lots of difficulty when they’re having speech problems. Thank you all.
Sad news. I knew her and her husband, Bernard. They would come over for dinner parties my dad would host. Margaux was nice but used to getting her way, even in conversations about things outside her expertise. Bernard was lovely with a wry sense of humor. Their family owned a yacht, the "Mauretania" in Marina del Rey, docked next to my dad's 50' Gulf Star, the "Poltergeist". That's where the friendship between our families began. They lived a life of excess made possible due in great part to royalties from their grandfather's writings. So, not a curse. Just 1980s excess.
What a great memory, thank you for sharing.
Wow. Thanks for that! 🙂
Thanks so much for sharing this special unique personal story 😊🙏🏻
But didn't Margeux Hemingway die because she killed herself? Didn't her grandfather die the same way? I think that is where the curse is being referenced?
@@cindyaraya7317More like transmission of transgenerational trauma
Referring to multi-generational addiction and parental abuse as a "curse" only helps keep solid information and realistic therapies for mental health out of reach. It wasn't about being a "Hemingway." It was about the neglect of her parents and their modeling alcohol abuse as a way to deal with pain. Addiction and other self-destructive behaviors happen to many families, whether famous, beautiful, wealthy, or not.
Exactly. It's not a curse
It’s Art.
@@Faffy58
Nope. Romanticizing family dysfunction and alcoholism is not “art” unless perhaps you’re a vacuous manipulative narcissist who treats family & friends like props or marionettes and plays crap behavior off as such.
What's your opinion of the Kennedy Curse?
This!
I met her once at Henri Bendel, a legendary store on 57th Street in NYC. I worked in the mailroom downstairs, but I happened to be on the first floor when she was in the store. I'm six-one and either she was six-one or wearing -- or not wearing -- shoes that made us exactly the same height, so our eyelines were at exactly the same level, an experience I had never had before while standing beside a woman. In fact she had gorgeous eyes and an attractively raspy voice. I'm sorry her life ended as it did -- but if the term "supermodel" had yet to be coined, she certainly embodied it. She was on the cover of "Time" magazine at the acme of her modeling career, and to be on the cover of "Time" was, in those days, a big, big deal.
@ironduke2000 Thanks for sharing. That was cool.
I recall her she was beautiful. Didn't realise she passed young
What fun, fabulous story!
It was a man
@@RainydayReadingyes she was beautiful i.have lipstick 💄 on Blu Ray good 👍 flim
I remember seeing where the paparazzi had filmed Margaux attending a bull fight in Spain. She was all smiles. But she did not know that the bull would be killed at the end. I will never forget her face when she broke down at the horror of seeing the bull killed. She was a very sensitive person. She really should not have been in the cutthroat worlds of modeling and Hollywood. She loved animals. She would have been much better off using her famous name to help animals. I believe that would also have been healing for her and steered her away from substance abuse and people who just wanted to use her for what they could get. RIP beautiful Margaux. ❤🙏🌹
Amen 🙏❤️😢
I just finished yelling at my dad for having Naked and Afraid on. They were about to kill a large turtle. I just lost it.
He forced us to watch the News as we ate dinner. I hate him still for all the pain he's caused.
I can't understand how he's gotten away with so much and still lives the life of a king. Makes zero sense while I suffer every single day of my life.
I agree with this , you described the best healing she might have taken instead. ♥️
BS she was told she wasn't naive. Seeing it in real time was MKULTRA to break her mind as it did.
@@lorimiller4301 Are you an adult Person? Please have fun and see the real world, too. Life ist no Ponyfarm ( we say in Germany )🎄🧑🎄⭐🎁🍗🥗🥮🍭😁
It's hard to overcome issues when you have no one there for you as a support system.
True enough. That's where I am. I don't recommend it.
@@innfield8836 You are in a bad place right now?
This is sooo true !! Sad and another famous person who had it all yet struggled to b happy !! Support means everything , god bless stay safe !
@@innfield8836 Just know you are not alone. There are many in the same situation. Not all of us have a family or circle of caring people around us. You have the strength within you, despite what you may think at times. You do. Believe THAT and carry on. Each day, each week. Just say to yourself, 'not today' and keep working forward. Take a deep breath, and another. Go for a walk, outside, in nature. It does wonders.
…or someone who can validate your feelings
Being Molested at a young age will change your life forever. It is one of the worst things for Mental Health.
Still surviving, living on the edge, thankful to wake up in the morning.
There is no such thing as a curse. She suffered from lack of support, unrealistic expectations, and mental illness.
She suffered from lack of parental guidance, excess and access to money
THERE IS such a thing as a curse. Just not in this instance. Most American Caucasians are extremely naive to the ways of life and the ways of the universe. As a result, many families who have everything good, have the worst kids. You invite people into your homes who are heavily into spirit worship and black magic who also envy you. I used to work as a nanny, I've seen many events like such. I prayed over and saved the children I cared for. But the parents were so dumb and naive. I'd warn them, but they had no clue.AND IT'S USUALLY FAKE FRIENDLY FACED PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES OF ALL RACES THAT I'VE SEEN DO THIS. Not Americans. Our culture is God based in America for born and bred REAL AMERICANS. The ones who are decended from the slaves, early pioneers and settlers, etc. We weren't taught that type of wickedness.
I agree the word “curse” is not helpful. However, genetic mental health disorders make it feel similar, although less judgmental.
Victim of her dad's molestation sure didn't help because few people believed her!
Add, Entitlement and Too Much Privelege.
She was so stunning. You have amazing pictures and clips in here. You forgot one of the biggest things about her that she is known for. She signed a million dollar contract with Faberge’ as a spokesperson for Babe perfume back in the ‘70s, and was the first model to ever be awarded such a lucrative contract. Also, her sister Joan who is known as “Muffet” is still alive. She did not commit suicide, but has been institutionalized for decades due to mental illness. Further, Mariel has said that she is certain their father sexually abused both Margot and Joan and the mother knew it. I believe Margot also discussed this publicly. Mariel said the mother used to have her sleep in bed with her, and Mariel believes that she did this so he would not sexually abuse her. Very tragic story. The documentary Running From Crazy by Mariel is really good if anyone is interested in more about Margot, Joan and Mariel and the family’s struggles with mental illness.
You touched on some important points here.
Most of these types of narrators fail to even pronounce words correctly.
It is very irresponsible to say that Joan died by suicide. I'm sure she would be angry to see this video.
@@lynnyhen It is very irresponsible for misreading the post and commenting so erroneously. Nowhere does it say Joan committed suicide. Reread, and slowly this time, and make sure you get it right for once.
You're certainly not alone in your error. If nothing else social media commentary has blasted to pieces any delusions of either intelligence or fundamental responsibility within the masses. That is no excuse for you, however, that is the very terror of it..
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always thought she had retired from modeling and acting. thanks for this informative video.
A photogenic face of an angel .
Being beautiful is not what many people would think
It can be difficult socially
capable of making others jealous ,envious , cruel, sadistic
Mainly other womenfolk will hate them.
alienation from true friends .
Because you are too beautiful to not envy 😮
My late mum often says being beautiful can be a curse…
Men can hate beautiful women, too because they feel insecure.
Im sure there is a balance. There are advantages in being beautiful. Jealousy and eny weren't for nothing.
Yes, women are jealous of pretty women, especially in office settings.
Worst to be valueless. She could and should have seeked a spiritual dimension.
Mental health issues should not be labeled as a curse. This seems insensitive to refer to it that way. She needed support and treatment.
True
@jennaolbermann7663 I think this video did in a subtle way lean towards that that word curse really isn't a curse, around 18:07 - 18:40 it is nature AND nurture that we take on unconsciously from the time we're born (nature, DNA genetics) and then brought home (the environment where nurture; there or not, is the constant) by a certain age some foundations of survival varies. Look at how siblings can be so different. For such a channel they did point out her strength in which she did have sad life - to be alone with such deep issues and ignored.
@@marysalvi242 I agree with you
@@dianeamaral8151 thank you. I should have added that I strongly disagree with using that word. More like brainwashed by hearing over and over and it's usually the negative, I believe, about family members problems etc, it can be the identity that the family actually takes on ~ a hard cycle to break.
Her family was the curse.
This is how she should be remembered. Thank you for showing the beauty that she was, and not her at the end. She was beautiful 💞
have u read her sister's book or seen the doc put out by her sister? they are very weird and talk about the fact that margaux's father was abusing her sexually and nothing was done about it. the sister talks about it like it was a love affair between the father and daughter- margaux- it is disgusting and absurd how screwed up these parents were and how this effected margaux! i feel so bad for her! she had a horrible family who almost seemed to condone incest- it is no wonder she took her own life- may she rest in peace!!!
How do you know this is true perhaps it is but if not you are basically badmouthing a man who cannot say otherwise as he is dead
Children who grow up in abusive situations can sometimes become desensitized to it & see it as a norm they model & repeat. Sometimes, repeating it is also an attempt to avoid their victimhood & take back their lost power. (I did child psychology as part of my teaching degree)..
@@christineduffy3113Why would the sister lie. And if she was lying to ruin her fathers reputation, she woukdnt frame abuse as a love affair. She'd frame it as it is: terrible . Unless.... being just a child trying to understand & make sense of it & being around it for years, she become desensitized & saw it as a norm.
@@sarahholland2600 She said she never saw anything and her sister never once said she was abused just something she felt was happening she wrote a book so nothing concrete iny opinion but whatever the sister sounds quite unstable think the whole family was
it was said outright by marielle hemmingway her sister who shared a bedroom with her@@christineduffy3113
How awful to just be alone,or lonely. The fact that family wasnt really interested. One can only take so much. I promise,you had purpose. Much respect.
Mental illness runs in my family too , it’s a terrible terrible affliction
It's a demonic thing, as a Christian l see the world in a spiritual way now. Mental illness is one of the ways evil will try and get at people with ,see it for what it is, don't own it, pray over it, don't entertain negative or weird thoughts that come Into your mind. Things should improve. "My" depression is almost non-existent now as I realised it wasn't a part of me. I deny it a "home" if you like. The enemy wants us to suffer as much as possible, mentally & physically. Also helping others is a good antidote
Runs in every family if you ask me... 10:59
Yes my mother had bipolar i have it to im on meds doing okay there is help
@@tinamccuien9560 I’m sorry, best wishes x
Often the truth about why someone is so tormented is quite hidden and the biggest secret of their lives. It's not that uncommon sadly. But it's highly destructive of lives. "In the 1990s, Margaux reported that she had been sexually abused by her father as a child. In 2013, her younger sister Mariel said in the documentary Running from Crazy that both Margaux and their older sister Muffet had been sexually abused by their father." We don't have to wonder that hard how both of Mariel's older sisters ended up dead young. It's devastating to be molested as a child especially by a close family member. That was the biggest tragedy of her life and what ultimately killed her.
I totally agree.
Most of these family problems stem from one thing….alcoholism. My father was the product of an alcoholic nasty mother. He turned out to be not a nice person…..very abusive. Alcoholism is as bad or worse than drug addiction and the children that come out of that garbage, usually a lot of problems in life.
As a survivor I agree. It's horrific and never leaves you. The only strength I have is me telling myself I'm still alive.
Luci's do that to their kids before 5 to 'bring out talent'. God gives us imagination without parental s()d()my.
Luci's are paid to sell their ideas to the world in music, movies, sport and advertising and to socially engineer the destruction of the family unit
@@christynorman7288HI Christy. I am also a survivor. You have my empathy and best wishes. I would say this has effected me on every level and has effected my entire life. I don't think it's possible to ever 100% heal. But we are here and doing the best that we can.
This is not a curse. It’s a family disjunction. Parents are terrible parents. The kids are raised by terrible parents. It hurts the next generation to the core that seems impossible to overcome. Some do, but most don’t unfortunately.
Her parents, as mine, who did the same, should NOT have had children! It’s disgusting what parents do to their kids!
To my last day on earth I will say my parents should not have had children.
Pepper have kids to 1 think they need to with good job or fear of death men will reproduce. Smart men can think through it
@@Tempe1962Sadly it’s more common than people think.
Ditto
We are all imperfect & incomplete. Forgive your parents .I have a long time ago. My dad past away . My mom is still alive & I love them both although the issues & troubles & sorrows & angers continue .💜🥁🐉🎤🎶💞
Untreated mental health issues, not a curse. That just falsely simplifies the real issues.
Suicide goes so far back in her family, if I remember correctly her grandfather, his father and grandfather as well. Perhaps bi polar as well as substance abuse was rumored to have some other behaviors in the family. If the father & grandfather stay knock down drunk for months at at time on binge drinking ,sometimes the children get abused witch makes the cycle of mental illness & substance abuse continue. Give them endless money & liberal access to cocaine and alcohol people die young.
@@blazefairchild465²
Exactly 💯
The “Hemingway Curse” is not a jinx it is mental illness and addiction, both are genetic disorders.
Ernest Hemingway was well known to drink and be “melancholy”.
Being raped as a child is also a factor
@@michelleobrien6996 that isn’t a “curse” it is a terrible crime committed against a child.
BUT
Even if it did not happen ..she more than likely would still have behaved the same way as an adult.
She was who she was
Addiction is not a genetic disorder
There is no biology whereby the offspring of addicts must become addicts. Even babies of crack addicts who used while pregnant are successfully treated. It is not a biological fatality. While it can be argued that children will ape the behaviours they observe; there is no fatality nor genetics involved. These excuses are what perpetuate these practices
@@maximillianafrancine1451
It does not matter.
Your genetics will NOT let you escape. They are a part of you.
Your argument of nature vs nurture is not applicable because it has been already proven.
Genetics will always win.
@@maximillianafrancine1451 That is total bull. The longer a people have had a grape growing society, the less alcoholism. Northern Europeans suffer more than Southern Europeans. People in the Middle East have low alcoholism levels. Native Americans suffer terribly. There is a genetic factor. Also suicide is a legacy. That is a fact. It is a "curse" you visit on your family when you take your own life. Just because a crack baby can be safely detoxed doesn't mean he can take up social drinking with any safety whatsoever.
I remember at the time, the press was merciless to Margaux and glowing to Mariel. I remember that she constantly struggled with mental health. The family was famously dysfunctional and Margaux struggled to come to terms with it. It is a very sorrowful story.,
I never saw Lipstick, but I could imagine people would just love to make that gorgeous girl feel old and less talented next to her little sister. I've seen that before. People hate when someone is so beautiful! They go after her age. Call her untalented. Make her feel she can be easily replaced by the next young thing. Mariel is also beautiful but Margaux's beauty is on another level! And that can make an audience have a harder time relating, Which is an important component to acting. Really sad.
@@karenweston2714 Excellent comment, karenweston2714. That is a horrible proposition: to mercilessly attack someone who's beautiful just out of spite, but yeah, I can see some totally sad and pathetic individual subjecting someone else to that kind of psychological abuse simply out of jealous lust. Margaux was absolutely gorgeous and indeed the theme of the movie 'Lipstick' reflects that kind of hatred of someone who dared to be born way too irresistible for their own good (in the assailant's twisted opinion) so they must make them pay. This is the f cked up world we live in.. sadly! That said, they will never be able to to take away her status and legacy as the most beautiful woman of the XXth century.
Hemingway family lost 7 of them in all suicide. It runs in the family. mental illness is a traumatic.
A horrendous family history. I saw Mariel speak some yrs ago after she wrote her book. She's worked really hard to get away from her family's dysfunction. But also, pls remember, society's changed a lot too. Pls remember this woman Mariel, costarred in a movie w/ Woody Allen as her love interest when she was 17 & just finishing high school. Woody was in his forties, pretty inappropriate, but no one batted an eye at the time.
Perhaps the "contagion effect"?
Its an opportunity to heal thru ❤
Both sides of my family have a history of suicides. However, because the words “mental illness” was so taboo; we simply referred to it as
“A history of suicides” and not a history of mental illnesses.
Margaux was beautiful and special. I was greatly saddened by her death. May she R.I.P.
Cowards get no peace in hell
@@The1trueking1966
It is not for me to judge her.
@@The1trueking1966
We, as humans, are not to judge.
That is God’s authority.
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Nobody understands severe depression unless they have experienced it. 😭🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼😭
Ain't that the truth! Family members can be the worst. They don't understand how much they compound the problem. And when it's too late... they say, "I can't believe this happened."
True... I know exactly what is. Every day. Drugs Effexor and Mianserine help me a little.
I agree. Most people who have never been depressed have no idea how much it effects someone. The most important thing is to be there for someone who is depressed.
TY
U die a 1000 deaths a day with major depression but you can't escape from the deep abyss😢
I have always been impressed by Margaux and Mariel Hemmingway.
The acting was superb and their beauty undeniable.
So sad. Depression is an awful burden to bear.
It sure is. Trust me.
Yes... it is!
She was so incredibly beautiful It's such a shame that she didn't get the help she needed
She was a beautiful woman. She was in the wrong business for a soul like hers.
She was a dude
As she was sexually molested child by father, she naturally had psychological problem. Her sister at 16 was with Woody Alan. Margaux was angry on mother who let husband to molest her daughter. Poor Margaux ❤rest in peace
That’s heartbreaking… It’s so awful how common such trauma was and still is and I wish people would understand the link to mental disorders and emotional distress…
In the movie Manhattan, Mariel was in love with Woody. In real life, Mariel couldn't believe her parents told Woody "yes" when he asked if 16 yo Mariel could go with him to NYC for the weekend. Mariel declined.
@@doloresbriseno2567 Woody married his daughter, after he had an affair, with her, while was married to Mia ! Then he adapts 2 girls in that marriage with daughter ! Then Mia and her son, after so many years, sued him again, for molesting her other daughter when she was very very small . Documentary “Allen v. Farrow” . . . He has power . . . Very disturbing behavior . . . Though he is talented director . . .
@@ImDJ733 I misunderstood. I thought you said Mariel Hemingway was with Woody, when she was kind of repulsed by him. I lived in NYC when the Woody/Soon Yee scandal happened. He's so gross.
Poor lovely girl 😢 All she ever wanted was to be loved. Personally, I don't believe Margaux took her own life, rather the cause was accidental overdose ☹️
A merciful release? Such a tragedy still. I know Margaux and her sister are at peace now. Rest well.
❤️✨❤️✨❤️
You did an incredible job honoring this tragic tale.
We must pay attention to the hurting hearts around us…and reach out in the ways we can.❤
Beautifully said❤
This was an extremely negative portrayal of her.
JULIA YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL ADORABLE SEDUCTIVE RAVISHING SEXY CAPTIVATING AND PASSIONATE YOUR BEAUTY IS PHENOMENAL IF MICHELANGELO WERE ALIVE TODAY YOU WOULD BE HIS MUSE ❤
I recall Margaux Hemingway as a fresh-faced classic beauty. She and Lauren Hutton were two of my favorites in the fashion world, but Margaux left much too soon. Thank you for this evocation of memories.
Since when is the Betty Ford Clinic considered 'infamous'? RIP Margeaux. Despite your stunning beauty and talent the cesspool that is the modeling industry of the 70s and 80s (remember 'heroin chic'?) was possibly the worst environment for someone so vulnerable as you.
So true and sad.
@LQOTW I wondered the same! Betty Ford Clinic…. Infamous? Lol
I went to a Florida rehab in 2009. Met several older women who had gone thru Betty Ford and panned it. Doubly bad b/c it was considered top tier & wickedly expensive. From what they shared with me, the protocols/treatment were basically the same as other rehab. ctrs. Remember, these women were now back in rehab again! Recidivism is high 4 rehab overall. Repeat customers. Follow the money. And the alcohol & pharma industry.
Isn’t heroin chic the 90s - Kate moss era?
@reneelynch710I thought that too. More 90s However Gia carangi was top model in the 70s and was a heroin addict and it sounds like it was being used in the industry at that time also. Gia also died from AIDS from needle use and was 1 of the very first women to contract and die from AIDS.
Oops I sent reply to wrong line.
Joan was Margaux’s full sister, not half. Their father Jack committed in*est against both of them, which he denied. I don’t know if either told their mother before moving out on their own. The SA from their father would’ve caused an extreme psychological burden, just on its own and even worse if they’d told their mother and she didn’t do anything or didn’t believe them.
I concur.
Not well researched. Joan is alive and is not Margaux’s half sister but full. She was dead a long time by the time she was found. She had some barbiturates in her system but it’s not what killed her. She had epilepsy and died of a seizure.
I don't know how folks got Mariel confused for Margaux. When Margaux was alive, Mariel looked like a child.
I don’t think they confused the two; I just think they were more like “ comparing “ the two sisters.
I never saw anyone with her look! I even had her perfume: Babe. She was beautiful ❤
Music is annoying
Especially if it's musical.
The ‘curse’ is the lack of mental care throughout the family. It’s not the money or the illness. It was the lack of understanding and support within the family. Unfortunately, that ‘curse’ hits everyone.
People need to be more accepting of mental illnesses.
Betty Ford Clinic was famous as a first of it's kind. Why did you refer to it as infamous?
Famous, yes. Infamous, no.
Because the clients are infamous.
Betty Ford was very brave to be open about her addictions.
*What drove Margaux over the edge at the end.* In my youth, I knew the fellow who Margaux threw over in favor of her first husband, Errol Wetson. TK and Errol were good, if not best friends at the time and they may have even been at the Plaza together when Wetson met Margaux. In any event, Errol's friend wanted Margaux probably more than Wetson did, yet she chose Errol over TK. TK was also a lawyer and it was he who negotiated Margaux's million dollar perfume contract. He never got over her jilting him in favor of Errol and towards the end of her life when she was down and out, TK SUED her for $50,000 claiming she never paid him for having negotiated her Faberge contract. What a creep. When he told me he was suing Margaux, I stopped speaking to him finally seeing him for the petty, sick creep he was. If you read the People interview with Margaux done before her untimely end, she mysteriously references TK saying, (I'm paraphrasing here) "Some people never let go of the past." I never learned of the final judgment of the lawsuit and whether or not TK was awarded the $50K he was seeking from Margaux, but the fact that a wealthy man such as he sued Margaux speaks volumes regarding his lack of compassion and character. Kind regards.
Why did he wait so long and sue her when she was less likely to be able to pay him? Is there no statute of limitation for civil claims?
@@michelleobrien6996 I wondered the same thing regarding a statute of limitations, but as TK is a high level mason - anything is possible in a court of law, including ignoring a statute of limitations by the judge. As for TK waiting as long as he did to sue MH - rest assured it wasn't about his needing the money, because as I stated in my earlier comment, TK is wealthy. TK's sick gesture was about hurting MH in any way possible - causing her grief and anxiety. MH probably lacked the funds necessary to hire a lawyer to answer TK's Complaint, and if MH didn't appear in court, TK might have been given a Summary Judgment in his favor. I have no idea in what jurisdiction TK filed his lawsuit but it was probably NYC where the contract was originally signed. And know this wasn't TK's first rodeo in filing a frivolous lawsuit to cause another person grief.
maybe she didnt pay him and as drunks do she put him off with her ways thinking well he is rich i need it more than him.
all you people are trying to justify her life. the curse woooooooo.
i am responsible for my actions, so was she.@@AshkenaziChristian
@@Davidautofull You will eat your words here when God reminds YOU how you rejected Him and *ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS of rejection." Moreover, your lack of empathy for Margaux is typical of sociopathic behavior. As for MASONIC curses they are very real, like it or not. The Hemingways were MASONS, which is one of the reasons Margaux and her older sister complained of being molested by their father. Molestation of a family member IS a masonic satanic ritual. In the KJV bible, ANYBODY who takes an OATH is thereafter CURSED. Zechariah 8:17, "And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD." AND James 5:12, "But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; LEST YE FALL INTO CONDEMNATION." [Emphasis mine.]
@Davidautoful Do you agree with sponging vinegar on the cracked lip of those dying of thirst? It's probably legal somewhere. Narcys never know it. It's always the other mf.
Margot Robbie should play her if they ever made a movie on her life. I loved her so much growing up. When others were fawning over Brooke Sheilds I was more her fan.
Margaux is as beautifully stunning as Grace Kelly or Catherine Deneuve in my opinion.
Sad to learn what she endured in her too short life.
Oh! But Brooke Shields is also Stunning! Lol🎉
I think clara Delevinge would be a good fit.. I thought that was her in the thumbnail
I, too, was Margaux's fan, and never Brooke Shields. She was so gorgeous and I liked all her movies. I was devastated when she died.
@@meganesergerie5382 In a broken sort of way. Which she was.
I wasnt aware of the troubled feelings between the sisters or about the their sisters suicide. I do know what its like to have 2 older resentful, jealous siblings and this had a devastating effect on my life.One sibling died from cancer,a disease she boasted she would never get, and I found out 2 yrs later.The other one has not spoke to me in years even though I reached out after the other ones death.Such a miserable family made by 2 people that never should have tried to be parents. Just because you can make babies doesnt mean you should! Anyway, I'm sure Margaux is at peace because she sure didnt have a happy life.
I completely agree with you.
I agree!
Get your story straight. Joan isn't her half sister it's her full older sister who was born in 1950 and is still alive and well today.
Mental illness runs in family lines. Its obvious that there is in this family. Just so sad she didn't have the support and help she needed.
Seems like she didn't get the help she needed or support. Sad
Thank you for covering Margaux's life. She has always been a fascination to me. Mental health issues can certainly be genetic.
Trust me... they usually are.
I empathize
I know what depression is like
It’s a beast and can take you out
I really didn't think Margaux and Muriel looked that much alike. I thought Margaux was much more beautiful.
Like everyone else she was looking for love. Even people who are physically beautiful, are insecure and have feelings of inadequacy, like everyone else
I have an older friend, one day it occurred to me she reminded me of the Hemingway sisters somehow, and I wondered if she liked Margaux Hemingway? It was so random that I didn’t say anything. That same day, my friend spontaneously told me she grew up with Margaux, and that they were really good friends. It was quite strange. My friend also told me she talked to Margaux about a week before she died, and that she seemed to be doing really great, counter to popular opinion. I like to think it was margauxs way of saying hello.
Her friends said it was an accidental overdose.
@@Lakirk2023another victim of the opioid crisis?
Rest in peace Margaux ❤
A “curse” boils down to lack of love…PERIOD!
I think you summed it up perfectly! I believe GOD would agree with you❣️
When mankind chose to reject GOD'S wisdom and provision it was *LOVE* we rejected, in exchange for a lie of satan promising us that we would become "like God" if we could just acquire that "forbidden knowledge!"
Look where it got us!
May your poor dear soul through the MERCY of GOD rest in peace beautiful Margaux Hemingway🌹🌹🌹✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏
I do remember her saying her mother witheld food from her. I can't remember her mother's supposed reason for that. But it was perceived by her as real intentional deprivation on her mother's part. Imagine! Then on the other hand, her father was having sex with her--- neither parent can be relied on like a parent. Tho she might have thought her dad was ok. Big responsibility without comfort.
@@MagdalenaIsaiah431 💖
It can. It depends on how "curse" is defined. But "lack of love" can ultimately lead to suicide.
@@MagdalenaIsaiah431 Many, many people who committ suicide believe in god. God has NOTHING to do with being genetically predisposed to bi-polar disorder.
I knew the Hemingway ‘girls’ when I lived in Sun Valley during the 1970’s… they had the advantage of recognizable ‘fame’ but sadly the entire family needed mental health supervision. They wanted to be like everyone else but did everything they could to not be like that at all…
What were they like?
Thats c ool.you knew the Hemingway sisters
Is that it? You're not going to tell us any stories
People talk about her “beauty”. Wrong focus people because the Lady had mental health issues, and addiction problems as well. Beauty is fleeting. It’s utterly ridiculous people focus on the former.
These people have careers and money to buy anything they want but they can’t buy happiness
How many rich people have empty souls and turn to drugs, achole to try and fill that emptiness.which never happens. They end up over dosing and dying
She was a victim of incest……..
Joan Hemingway not only didn't commit suicide, but she's still very much alive
Margaux was so beautiful, and yet she had so many problems she was unsupported in dealing with. May she rest in peace, she deserved much more love and care in her life.
Mental illness is terrible. Depression is a continual struggle. It’s important to stay current with medical appointments, keep a diary of symptoms, always take medication, and contact your doctor ASAP when you experience problems.
Yes it is important to stay on.meds
Way to much work for the depressed… depression is a form of retreat depression ( decompress) when depression hits it’s debilitating one side of your brain wants to connect with the outside world but the bigger half will not allow it never mind the body 😢 the fatigue is unbearable!!! A loop of guilt ,self doubt hideing from family and friends ect.. like a sick secret that you think no one will understand ( most do not) and judge you if they found out seeing you in that state (so you hide and make excuses) cancel plans stay inside overthink pace the floors not being able to turn off your brain to the point where it feels like you want to tear your hair out to make it stop the only escape is sleep but you cannot do that either 😮that continues over and over until you have no no quality of life 😢 some self medicate to hide the tremendous anxiety to help fight going out in the world when all you want to do is hide disengage but can not. The push and pull of wanting to get out and the guilt that comes with it is daily torture that I cannot fully describe..Finding the right medical help is a full time job in the sterile fast paced medical field that quite frankly dismisses the severity of your condition.. don’t even get me started on the prescriptions complex combination of prescriptions to help relieve your symptoms can take years meanwhile if you do not have the right combination all the side effects come flooding in becoming overweight, sluggish, numb , forgetful It goes on and on😢…. my apologies to whoever took the time to read this for mostly I wrote it for myself to get it out of my brain and into words or somehow it seems more real and not so invisible and thought….. The complexity of the brain is unique to each individual experience I wouldn’t wish mental illness on anyone it is an invisible sickness that people think can easily be corrected unfortunately that is not always the case a lot of it ends up in suicide💔😩.. as the years peel by you end up shutting down and living in your head because nobody gets it they just don’t understand it I would rather have a physical illness for this is invisible it can’t be seen or touched or removed I can only be expressed through words and after reading what I wrote it’s only a quarter of the experience……
I'm totally confused. You mention that in 1984 Margaux received news her half-sister, Joan Hemingway, died by suicide. But the only Joan Hemingway I could find is Margaux's older sister, not half-sister, and is still very much alive. Please clarify. Thank you.
Yes, she got that part wrong
Definitely misspoke your right 👍🏽
I loved the documentary, but the music didn’t suit the topic. At times it was happy when the topic was sad. I think a different choice in music would have made it so much better. Thank you for the story, and sad life of MH.
You are absolutely right. The music and the narrator made it challenging to watch.
Horrible music...why?!!!!
@@RideoutMr I already explained why.
Oh sorry. I think I misunderstood.
Ernest Hemingway suffered from hemochromatosis. A debilitating hereditary disease it causes dementia and severe unbearable pain. It ran in the Hemingway family and Ernest's grandfather, father and most of his siblings committed suicide. Today it can be treated if caught early enough. Margaux suffered from epilepsy. She was taking strong medication to control it and might have accidently overdosed.
In every case - its parental failure that leads to their children having problems as adults. When are we as a people going to get in to "healthy parenting" instead of the next technology?
@jj33438 Sorry I must respond to your “In every Case” comment! Every situation is different so how can you say that? Are you a parent? I just erased a long reply ….however…I have raised nine kids and have ten grandkids. Out of that two have problems that look like won’t ever be resolved as they don’t want it. Once they turn 18 it’s done, frustrating as it is. Our other kids have resented the time and money devoted to the two in an effort to help them.They love each other but when you can’t start college cause your brother is in rehab again ….you understand? I would be interested in how you arrived at that conclusion? In our case you are wrong ❤
yOU ARE RIGHT. I was too general. I do have congratulate you on raising 7 wonderful kids..the troubled 2 are not your fault. and I apologize for being so general. Thanks for the eye opener! @@NanaGagie
@@NanaGagieYes, with our children it’s not always simply environment and parental involvement. We can’t ignore genetics which is far from straightforward.
@@NanaGagie Money is not the answer. Most of the time it is lack of attuning to the child. Having 7 kids would highly likely involved lack of attunement to each individual kid. Hope your two kids under 18 get the right help they need, probably through reparenting via psychotherapy in a nurturing environment void of rejecting self-centered caregivers.
@@24JJ821 Thank You for your reply, however, I think you misunderstood me. To clarify , the child who has NOT had problems resented the fact he could not go to college we had planned on for him because so much money spent on yet more rounds of rehab etc. Although we did discuss this as a family prior to it all and the siblings love each other, it can be tough. So yes, money does factor in.
Thank you for featuring her. I saw in an episode of E! True Hollywood Story that she was named Margaux because her parents had shared a bottle of Chateau Margaux wine before she was conceived.
I did not realize there were 7 Hemingway family members who committed suicide. Very sad.
Trauma seems huge in this family :/
So sad. Wish she could of been helped. RIP💜
could HAVE
The girl at 02:03 and 07:33 isn't MH but the french actress Sophie Duez.
I USE TO WORK AT TUNNEL AND HAD THE CHANCE TO MEET HER THERE. WHAT A BEAUTY AND SWEET HEART. YEAR ABOUT 1988.
I find it hard to believe that Margaux and Mariel were never close just because they were 7 years apart. Margaux wanted Mariel to play her sister in the movie right? Sounds like there was love there
What goes on behind the scenes is usually much different than
what anyone sees.
So sorry for all the suffering of this poor dear soul😢
May her soul through the MERCY of GOD rest in PEACE 🌹🌹🌹
She died as a result of her alcoholism. She was so young and tabloids
had a field day with her drunken behavior, which didn't help one bit. I saw
her movie "Lipstick". Her real sister, Mariel, was in it too. Such a tragic end
to a young woman with a promising future.
Was it a good movie?
This is a very compassionate documentary of Margaux . Very sad life with so much tragedy
I always thought that she was such a beautiful woman, & I remember being so jealous of her that her dad had been this epic author. So sad. RIP pretty lady 💕
Grandpa!
Her father was only Hemingway's wimpy son
Humans cannot handle too much fame and beauty. We are not meant to be glorified. Glory belongs only to God
Amen
Hush,my child.
There was and is no curse … she suffered from lack of good parenting and having no sense of self and no support!
Well said.
The community should pull together and aspire to greatness
This makes it sound like she had died the night before when she was found. It was reported her body was badly decomposed so obviously she had died several days prior.
My parents (and siblings) were toxic bullues..its a miracleI haven't ended my life😢
Same 😢
She had a face that only comes along once in a generation. Perfect from every angle. Margaux's face was in fact the face of the 1970s, and even that seems like an understatement. I would even dare nominate her as the Face of the Century. Before there was even a Linda Evangelista, there was Margaux. She started the supermodel phenomenon in the 1970s. By the way, when is someone going to publish a pictorial book of all of her photographs? It's long overdue!
A man..lol
Linda E is way prettier
@@YeshuaKingMessiah Linda is gorgeous , but her face is imperfect, starting with her nose. Margaux's face was perfect. I really don't know how else to explain it. It feels weird to nitpick these beautiful women's faces, but oh well.. such is life. Linda was definitely the face of the '90s and Margaux was the face of the 70s, but for me, Margaux's is the truly and unforgettably perfect face. RIP!
@@valsainking
I think we need to retire this “perfect face” thing. Very Nazi-like-obsession-with-white-physical-archetypes creepy. But then again all these vacuous Gen Tik Tok members are all about the skin deep and they apparently want to look 18 when they’re 58 (and creep out / creep on their younger counterparts, yuck) so I guess things are going to continue to suck hard in pop culture, where brains & talent are secondary/tertiary to appearance.
I think Cara Delavingne has a similar look, yet it took me a long time to understand why Cara is considered beautiful and with Margaux I see it immediately.
She definitely experienced some sort or trauma in her childhood for her to be going to bars at 14. Very sad
I went to bars at 14😅
Raped by her father. A very big omission in this video
She was as beautiful on the inside a truly sweet person
Great video, the narration flows so well and you did a nice job with the writing.
i remember her in the 70's and the famous commercial w/ billy carter. her beauty is timeless. her eyebrows were huge for the 70's, but fit right in today. she's gorgeous. sad about her personal life. RIP 💋 thx.
User-uy3jz1rc9x Having those really heavy eye brows shows her masculine side, prolly lots of testosterone in her system! Lol
She looks a little bit like Grace Kelly ❤ RIP Margaux
And I see a little Cara Delevingne
I met her around 1985 at The Golden Door and I had her as my guest for a week, she was very over weight and I think her hair was cut super short. She didn’t look well, she also asked if I could get her some drugs and I said no of course. She talked fondly of Idaho; and I was very sad when I heard she passed away, had hoped she would overcome her depression and substance abuse. RIP Margaux.
In the video it says that Muriel and Margaux’s older, half-sister, Joan, died of suicide in 1984. THAT NEVER HAPPENED! As of 2023, Joan Hemingway is alive and well and 73 years old.
and Joan wasn't a half sister, but full sister.
Did Margaux have two sisters named Joan? Because I'm reading that she is still very much alive so I'm confused. Anyway, her death was very shocking to me, and I had no idea there was such a rift between her and Mariel.
There was only Joan (nicknamed Muffet), Margaux, and Mariel. Joan is alive and currently 73. Margaux, however, committed suicide at 42.
That was a random yank on memory banks. I’d forgotten her til this mention (no offense meant-it was a LONG time ago).
It may not be a curse, but from the perspective of someone who dealt with abuse and mental illness, it definitely feels like a curse at times. Familial mental illness is so devastating, it often feels surreal.
She was incredibly beautiful. I was lucky enough to see her crossing the street next to me in NYC in her heyday. Just stunning! Such a sad ending.
"Incredible Beauty" or "Stunning" didn't save her life.
@@windowgirl7300 It was a moment that I had experienced, that’s all.Has nothing to do with what happened in her life.That’s a whole other subject sadly.
@Factinate *_Very well done presentation!! Very respectful of the beautiful Margaux !! Thank you !_* 💖
Let’s not blame the name. She changed “Margo” to “Margaux,” she could have changed her last name, too.
I thought she was named after Chateau Margaux, a wine her father was particularly fond of, so I don’t think she changed her nam.
Hemiingweigh
Bless her heart she had a hard life . I hope she is finally at peace
Whatever she was going through... probably abuse. I think 14 is still a child. They way you covered this is truly disgusting.
She would have been the same age as me (69) But sadly, some people are born never to make old bones. And some jobs and industry's just seems to attract the fragile.Yet,still they sign up to the dream.Only to be cast aside.A sad troubled lifetime, which without friends or family really could end only one way😢.May she have found rest & peace.❤Another good video,painful to watch,but so interesting and informative 😊Allan&Family
So elegant..puts the over stuffed and injected influencers of today to shame
I can understand how it was called The Heming way Curse but I can't help but think that there are many ailments/diseases/conditions that run in families. Anxiety, depression, body dysmorphia and schzophrenai for example. The word 'Curse' might have made(some) sense back then but it was also a lot more 'Sensational' than labelling the family with a Curse. With todays findings I don't think the word Curse would ever be used because there is a name for every disease and its extremely common for those diseases to runs in families.
Beautifully narrated.
The Hemingway curse started with Ernest´s father, that took his own life. RIP Margaux
Suicide literature recognises that close family members who commit suicide can leave the rest of the family many times more likely to commit suicide themselves...
So sad, fame does not change the difficulty of mental illness.
Joan Hemingway is alive and well at 73, and she is the full sister of Margaux and Muriel. Unless there is another Joan that we don't know about.
Right! I was looking at a picture of how beautifully she has aged and is now 71 when this said she committed suicide. I was confused.
Alive, but far from "well." She has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and manic depression, and lives with a caregiver.
Mariel, not Muriel
Margeaux ‘s biggest barrier to acting success was her speaking voice. It was terrible sounding. Her voice was gravelly, too deep, and actually shocked people when they heard it. Her voice actually made us cringe first time we heard it. It was the THING no one spoke of. But, it was bad.
A blender on high gear was more comfortable to the ear than her speaking voice. Why it wasn’t addressed by a speech pathologist is unknown. It sure would have made a difference.
I am a speech pathologist, and I agree completely. A gravelly voice, for a woman, can be an asset. Remember Margot Kidder, who played Lois Lane with Christopher Reeve? Kathleen Turner? About Margaux's same vintage. That rasp stems from vocal abuse, smoking, drinking, too much yelling, loud laughter, etc. It often shows up in pre-teen girls but usually goes away because these girls tend to settle down and become more self-aware and "lady-like." Not all, certainly, and probably fewer than did so 50 years ago. Anyway, this is the long way around to say that MH had something else going on with her voice that made it... wow. Not so good. A friend of mine used to call her Rocky the flying squirrel. And she did sound a lot like the Rocky and Bullwinkle squirrel. It was higher and gravelly, and it was never what you expected to come out of her mouth. Low and sonorous is what I would expect. But there was no one more beautiful. A beauty + a weight problem = tragedy. Sorry but it's true.
@@stacypeterson7755
As an actor, I have great respect and appreciation for your profession! It’s fascinating and so advantageous learning speech for actors from one. We used Edith Skinners program at my conservatory. Speech pathologists can save a career and save a child lots of difficulty when they’re having speech problems. Thank you all.