Testing Old Aluminum Cookware For Toxicity
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- There's an age old debate on whether or not vintage aluminum cookware is safe to cook on. After long searches on the net and in books nothing jumps out as a clear test. I was once told of a method involving simmering applesauce. It the color changes to a pink red tint, its bad. If it keeps its color, it should be safe.
After doing some light reading here's what I believe: Your video just demonstrated that your cast aluminum pot is not anodized and therefore will readily react with acidic foods (apples are about a pH of 3.5). As far as I know it was/is not common to anodize cast aluminum so I suppose that part is not surprising. Non-cast aluminum cookware is commonly anodized, which is some type of process which prevents the surface of the aluminum from reacting with foods. Supposedly if the surface has been scratched then the aluminum will react more readily. But aluminum exposure and dangers are basically none existent since so little aluminum gets released and consumed. Though this does not help the bad taste that gets imparted on foods, so I don't think I would personally want to use non-anodized aluminum for cooking. Either way seems like cooking acidic foods in aluminum is undesirable.
One of my references below:
"Lightweight aluminum is an excellent heat conductor, but it’s also highly reactive with acidic foods such as tomatoes, vinegar, and citrus. Cooking these in aluminum can alter the food’s flavor and appearance and leave the pan with a pitted surface. In our tests, we detected an unpleasant metallic taste in tomato sauce and lemon curd cooked in aluminum pots.
The amount of aluminum that leaches into food, however, is minimal. In lab tests, tomato sauce that we cooked in an aluminum pot for two hours and then stored in the same pot overnight was found to contain only .0024 milligrams of aluminum per cup. (A single antacid tablet may contain more than 200 milligrams of aluminum.) Our science editor reports that the consensus in the medical community is that using aluminum cookware poses no health threat.
In short: While untreated aluminum is not unsafe, it should not be used with acidic foods, which may ruin both the food and the cookware. Also note that aluminum cookware that has been anodized (hardened through a process that renders it nonreactive) or clad in a nonreactive material, such as stainless steel or a nonstick coating, does not leach into or react with foods."
www.cooksillustrated.com/how_tos/6390-is-aluminum-cookware-safe
Fantastic comments! Thanks for the research and I'm pinning your comment to the top of the list for others to read.
@@Reallybigmonkey1 Thanks, friend. I had to make sure I wasn't possibly consuming poisonous stuff either haha.
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@@pruff5072 Sorry but no day hike load outs. Just survival type stuff.
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Anodized aluminium does still leach into food although far less than unteated surfaces. Using untreated aluminium cookware day to day is probably still a very bad idea. You may cherry pick your studies though and reach your own conclusion
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Hey, nice video. I work as a cook, and we use aluminum pans. When we clean them after we wash them we scrub the inside with salt. As you scrub the salt will turn gray from the aluminum oxide. It make the pan smooth and shiny, it also helps to keep food from sticking.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it Richard. That's a great tip on using salt! Thanks for watching
Very interesting,. Thank you ... going to try this!
Some way-late thoughts from a metallurgist:
Cast metals can have more microscopic-sized porous than metals formed by other processes, especially if the casting quality is low. Stamped metals tend to have comparatively fine grain sizes and high strength, especially near the surface of the workpiece. This means that your stamped aluminum pieces could likely take and keep a much higher polish than that poor old cast pot. While the cast pot was probably nicely polished when sold, my guess is that that polish broke down over the years. The loss of polish would have exposed any underlying porosity; which would have allowed the aluminum to corrode more easily, and to become contaminated by whatever substances were heated in the pot.
tl;dr: I wouldn't use that pot either.
Thank you for that explanation Evelyn!
Yeah...that's what I was thinking...you said it way better than I could have...😍
what about cast iron pans? are they bad to use as well? they all seem a bit porous
@@america1403 Cast iron is somewhat porous, but has different casting properties that generally result in higher quality castings than with aluminum. Also, AFAIK, ingestion of iron is not associated with any toxic effects in the human body.
@@evelyngorfram9306 thank you... i love my cast iron pan
Great information. Yes, the cast pot was a different color. I would also think that the food would taste different bc you was saying & making NASTY faces.. lol.. This was a good test. When it's warmer I'm going to do the same test to my pots. I mostly don't want to eat toxic food. From the bottom of my heart I thank you so much for teaching me something I had no ideal about, or even thinking about it.
Thanks David for opening my eyes on something very important,
Chris
Thanks Chris, I'm glad you liked it and glad to hear it was an eye opener. A lot of folks don't know this stuff. Most pots will pass the test but the ones that wont need to be wall ornaments! Thanks for watching and take care Chris
Hey Dave, thanks for this video, very helpful and safety minded. One question tho, can you just buff the inside of that cast pot to renew it? We have bought some old pots like that for a bug-out purpose and now we are left to wonder what to do. We will give it the test first. Thanks again! Great test video, we love watching them!
Earl Schultz Or purge it through many boiling cycles until the applesauce is safe.
Thanks. Would you have to fill the who pot, or just the bottom?
Earl Schultz I would fill the pot with water for the boiling. Then check it with applesauce after the 3rd or 4th boil, and hope for the best. OR you could just fill it with applesauce then boil it.(ha, not really) Of course, changing the water after each boil. Probably using distilled water to boil.
Every time you upload a video it just puts a huge fat smile on my face :)
Great to hear that!
This is a real eye opener. Good information.
It’s ashamed that nice big pot failed the test.
I’m only using stainless from now on.
Thank you for posting, ken
I'm glad you liked it Ken. I've always preferred stainless myself even before this test
Just use cast iron. Strong better and good for you
Maybe it's time to switch to Stainless steeluMINEEUM...:)
I love my vintage pots but most of my camp cooking is done with stainless
Not all stainless is equal and can leach heavy metals as well.
LoL Sandy PEACE :-)
Easy for Dave to say LOL
Or, cast iron. The saying should be: 'it's worth it's weight in cast iron'.
Interesting. Where did you hear about the applesauce trick? I have cooked with Magnalite aluminum for decades and I haven't noticed any signs of dementia. I have cooked with Magnalite aluminum for decades and I haven't noticed any signs of dementia. I have cooked with Magnalite aluminum for decades and I haven't noticed any signs of dementia. Was I talking? What was this video about? :P
LOL. Man make some coffee out of an aluminum perc and clear your mind.
Awesome :) Great test and results. I guess that apple sauce is just mashed apples basically?
Basically yes, some add a little sugar or some spices as well.
Thanks brother! Yes, just crushed apples and some sugar. No other chemicals.
It's really great to put some cinnamon in the apple saus
Lars my friend nice too see you over here
Most people peel and core the apples before mashing.
This was good. If you were to again put applesauce in the cast aluminum Dutch oven, would it again turn pink? Or would the applesauce have stripped out the toxic material? Whisked it away, so to speak?
I have no idea. I only did it once. Good thought to try again
Very helpful! I have old aluminum cookware that was in the family since the early 1950s, and definitely think I should test them. I will get rid of them anyway, but at least this test will verify how concerned I should be from using them occasionally. People need more information and warnings about this! I look forward to seeing more videos! (I am wondering about the safety of your breathing fumes from the toxic applesauce too. Be careful!)
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it and it will definitely be very interesting to see what your old cookware does! Thanks for watching
That cat is relentless man....lol That was a really good test thanks for doing this video David Know I know how to test my aluminum cooksets
James McIntyre try fireball! Lolz
Lol, man I edited out another five minutes of that cat getting in my way. Thanks for watching James!
@@Reallybigmonkey1 should have left it in!
Dave,
You got a lotta pot there. Is that legal in Georgia? I know, it's medicinal!
Nice testing! I gotta try it out on my aluminum stuff.
Take care and have a happy New Year.
Cantab Hiker that one pot will fit on his head... Lolz
LOL! Happy New year to you too!
Thanks for this valuable tip. I have a lot of Aluminum cook wear and when I became aware of toxicity, I was concerned. I'm going to give this method a try. Happy New Year!
You are very welcome Fred. Test em when you can and have a Happy New year my friend!
What I know about aluminum cookware. When my mom cooked (boiled) potatoes in hers it blackened the inside. Heloise advised to make tomato sauce in the pot to make the black 'disappear'. My mom bought me a set which I NEVER used. Witnessing what went on with hers made me suspicious.
I'm not sure about stamped aluminum but I'd definitely steer clear of any cast aluminum. Thanks for watching Michele
Both my parents had/have Alzheimer's (My father has gone to be with the Lord and I'm caring for my mother now) so I'm not risking it. I will use it to store birdseed or something. Thank you for sharing. God bless
My Uncle Jerry had it too. Terrible way to go. Thanks for watching Dave and may God bless you too brother
@@Reallybigmonkey1 You're welcome! Yeah it really is. So weird how it's a relatively new thing too... Much appreciated brother
That dutch oven looks bad(pink) I believe I would retire it. Great video!!! I have always been reasonably skeptical of aluminum. If nothing else an aluminum canteen will make your water taste like crap. I'll pay extra for stainless steel or enamel cookware!!!!
Stainless is probably the best way to go for price, durability and safety! I'm glad you liked the video and thanks for watching
Good reason for the pink pots and using them for laundry washing, as the aluminum is also its own antibiotic properties - so keep clothes washed and treated.
What about aluminum pots and pans that are older than*seventy* years old that are handed down by my deceased parents' parents? My grandparents used them.. Please will you respond ..?..asap .💨. thank you..👍👍🌼🌻🌺✌️🤞🖖
Who knows? They could be safe or they could be toxic. I'm sure they are all different
You know, it makes total sense to me that the cast aluminum was the one that leached. When we use cast iron, it leaches too, but it leaches beneficial iron. The cast aluminum, not so much! Thanks for taking the time to do this experiment. That was a lot of dishes/cleanup you had to do after doing this video!
Yep, and both are cast. I guess any thing cast has pores that open up during heating. They contract when cooling trapping all kinds of stuff. Thanks for watching Sally
Oh that's the way right there. Clean that real good. Great video. Do you know if we can season our aluminum cook wear. And can we see a video on it. Thanks Dave. God bless. From Glenn CATT in Massachusetts.
Yes, aluminum cookware can definitely be seasoned. I found this out recently but haven't tried it yet
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I change my aluminium Kelly kattle for st.steel. one. If you only boil water i belive oxsidised layer protect you, problem can be cooking when you can scrach pan or pot...So i use much lighter aluminium kettle onlly for max 2 day intense walking mauntain trips.
Sounds good to me!
GOOD INFORMATION!
I USE STAINLESS IN MY PACK AND CAST IRON AT THE CAMP.
Thanks Richard. About 90% of the time I use stainless steel for camping
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I seasoned all my aluminum like cast iron also one like urs they don’t look as nice but man they cook good
I agree, seasoned pots are definitely the way to go
Any tips on how to easily season aluminum skillet without an oven?
@@rogierius They claim you can start a campfire and get it going. Throw the pan in and warm it up. Pull it out while hot and smear Crisco all over it and throw it back into the coals. Do that 2 or 3 times and you should have a nice shiny black coating.
ya know, I have been trying to find a way to test my old backpacking gear, thought I would try TH-cam, THANKS!
I'm glad I could help Ed!
I'd turn that cast pot into a fire bowl. ;D Did you ever try to polish and retest the thing?
Nope, never polished it. I think as thick as it is it'll make a good fire bowl
@@Reallybigmonkey1 ... Consider a 1/4" drain hole, so nobody mistakes it for cookware. Another great video! Thanks!
@@FnLn55 good thinking!
On a side note...CANNED orange juice in a pot or bbq plate cleans the metal to a high polish. Very acidic stuff. Interesting it seems to ne just the cast alloy. Whick looks to be the same type of cast in a transmission...perhaps from that we can find out about the lead content from that...there may be more specs available.
But im with you...I'd give that cast a miss. Ive noticed similar when I cooked for a living in the 80's. It seemed to be the more pourous type of cast saucepans that would put a tinge into white sauce and would make a difference in the roux stage. Smoother panz potz didnt and they were the newer stuff. So overall I'd say your on the money about the lead content
I believe Im totally done with cast aluminum after this test.
I have two cast aluminum pans from my grandmother that looks like yours except are oval. We use them during the holidays for turkey/dressing because the one is big enough to cook a turkey in. I’m going to try this applesauce test because I was cleaning my cupboards it came to me that those pots might be toxic. I wasn’t sure how to find out, so I searched on TH-cam and came up with your video. I could definitely tell a difference in the applesauce, so I will not use these pots until I test them. Thanks for your help!
I'm happy to hear the video helped Connie!
Wow !" I think I like stainless steal best myself. But,out door cooking or camping"its heavy duty aluminum foil."🤔great !"idea Dave,.could save people from toxic poisoning. Thank you,for sharing."👍😉"
Well about 90% of my cooking gear is Stainless. I hope this vid does help out some. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching Pat
This is a really easy thing to do. I buy so much old stuff from bootsales (flea markets), thanks for saving our brains 😉
It's so easy there's no reason to not do it. Thanks for watching!
I don't think that pot is bad it was really dirty need to fill that pot up with apple sauce and cook it clean. Then do it again to see if it still turns pink. God bless. From Glenn CATT in Massachusetts.
I've boiled water in it multiple times and it still turns applesauce pink. I guess I could boil applesauce? Thanks for watching and may God bless you too
I remember my grandmother telling me never to use old cast aluminium pots as she said they may have lead in them. Especially post WW2 pots. I've stuck with that advice. As usual mate you've provided a good way to help out. I've never had a problem with stamped aluminium so far but I have replaced all cookware with stainless steel. Hey merry Christmas and happy new year buddy. All the best to you and yours mate.
Your Grandmother was very wise ! Have a Happy New year Matt
what do you say, for example, about an esbit cs985ha pot if I may ask please? Thank you
I haven't used one but I looked it up and it looks fantastic!
This was SO informative! I have often wondered about the dangers of aluminum cookware. Thank you for taking the time to produce this video
I'm glad you liked it AL!
Better to be safe than sorry. Plus with cookware being reasonably cheap, just better to use stainless steel or titanium moving forward in my opinion.
Yep, I'm actually a huge stainless steel fan
Hi David! Thanks for the video. A Dr of? Chemie once told me it was a misstake, a wrong messurement in the 60s with to much alu, similar to much iron in spinat? I changed to stainless becaue i got tired of all the alzheimer comments. Since i use stainless cups i could easy forget them :) Happy New Year! Sepp
Hello Sepp! All I know is if the cookware passes this test it should be fine. Most cookware will but few will fail. I personally use stainless steel fo 90% of my camping. I do love these old vintage collections. Take care and as always thanks for watching Brother Sepp!
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Love your teaching and testing. I have I am not sure if they are aluminium wok, pots and pans. I is very old. I would like to send you a picture and maybe you are able to tell me or point me in the right direction.Thank you. Pity about the big pot turning pink
Thanks, I'm glad you like the way I do things. If it's non magnetic and a butter knife will scratch it then it's aluminium
It was a pretty substantial difference in color. So would you steer clear of cast all together? I dont have any cast but my sister has an old one like the one you showed n now im interested in trying it. Great video as always bro
After this? Yes. No more cast at all for me. And honestly 90% of my gear is stainless anyway. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
I have service equipment from almost 30 years ago ..... great video !
Really? That's cool! I'm glad you liked the video
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks! I'm happy you liked it
I'm simply not trusting aluminum. My brain is already scrambled enough from too many blows to the head. lol Thanks for the video.
LOL! Thanks for watching
Good test on the cookware. Yep..that apple sauce in the cast aluminum was a pretty pink. Not yellow like the rest of the apple sauce. Thanks for that video. Very interesting.
Thanks Hope, I'm glad you liked it. Yep, pink enough I aint using it anymore. Thanks for watching
Pink,definitely pink Dave. Great video. Wall ornament? Hmmmm how about a family portrait instead? 😊
Thanks Jan, I'm glad you liked it. I also thought it could be a fire bowl
Good experiment Dave. I'd be curious to know if the acidic properties of the apple sauce actually "cleaned" the bottom of the cast pot. When you cleaned out the pots, did you notice any variations in the color vs. what it was prior to the experiment, especially with the cast one? Just wondering...HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
---Chris
Thanks Chris, I'm glad you liked it. Well they claim that if a pot is dirty soiled or tainted, it can eventually be cleaned out. If its an old leaded alloy pot then it will always turn applesauce pink! Thanks for watching and a Happy new year to you too!
I was wondering same. Growing up as kid i learned you can use ketchup on bathtubs get the dirty ring off. So yea i do wonder if it could be saved. But, honesty after all replies i. Here and this vid. I dont expecr using aluminum for cooking anytime soon.
I don't think I'd ever use cast aluminum; I'd only use stamped aluminum and then only in a pinch. I do have WWII aluminum mess kits that I'd use only in emergency situations. I also have WWII mess kits and canteens that are stainless steel which I prefer.
My favorite is stainless steel but I do own a lot of aluminum cookware
Interesting experiment! I'm not surprised by the color change in the cast pot; if it was sand cast, the pot would have a more porous surface by virtue of the manufacturing process.. I switched to stainless steel a long time ago, and I believe I will stick with it. I really like your fire pit, and the cat totally rocks! Thanks for sharing!! :-)
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it all. Actually, 90% of my camp gear is stainless steel. Thanks for watching
Thanks Dave, I guess I'm going to be cooking up some apple sauce. TYSM.
Sounds good to me! Thanks for watching
You are a genius! You found a use for apple sauce!! Supposedly potatoes will turn gray in aluminum. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Tex! Hmmm, now I gotta test the potato trick
I don't know if it's true, but the apple sauce worked! You are very informative and entertaining and I always look forward to your videos.
Oh it definitely worked on this test!
they do and scrambled eggs will turn green if keep in the pot I ate a lot of those eggs in the army
Good test,I ve got a lot if old stuff and not so sure what happend to that.Some are from WW2.Never used it But will test it and see what comes out.May be one can ckean it with some sort of acid or a sand.jet?
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I'd say test your stuff just to see. I have no idea if it can be cleaned or not. Some of this old stuff may be alloyed with lead? Thanks for watching
Interesting experiment, thanks for sharing. And love the cat! Always good to have a mascot! 🤙🏻
I'm glad you liked it and the cat! Thanks for watching
If that pot is cast, that means it was molten before it was poured. And that means that there’s no telling what other heavy metals were put in the recipe. It’s probably not pure aluminum.
And the older it is, the worse the alloy content
A lot of aluminum pots back in the day actually had quite a bit of lead in them to make them cheaper to machine. Lead was also used by many makers of cheaper pots to make them easier to stamp and draw into shape. So the old thick lead machined pots should be discarded immediately! The older drawn or stamped pots are probably safer if they have seen a lot of use (you already got any lead out of them), but I would not let kids around any aluminum pot over maybe 25 years old--I think they took the lead out of aluminum pots the same time they took the lead out of gasoline--mid-1980's. I won't go into the debate over aluminum, but it probably is not that big of a deal (but I can hear somebody getting ready to scream at me for that statement). If you are just boiling water, like most bushcrafters would use the pot for, I would not worry, period, especially if the pot is anodized like the Kohansky pot is.
geezerdude very interesting info,but Imho the lead out of gasoline was causing the biggest harm
I'm looking for the mors pot several years now,I think its a great pot
Do you own one,and do you like using it?
Steve
Very good information! The added lead makes sense!
Steve I have a coated Mors pot from four dog stove company and I LOVE it!
I wonder what results you'd get if you do a lead test on that heavy pot?
Geezerdude:
It depends where the pots are made. If the pots were imported, and most today are, then there is a likelihood that even new pots can have high lead content; see article on 2014 study:
news.ashland.edu/article/ashland-university-involved-research-showing-lead-released-african-cookware-contaminates
While lead is added to some aluminum alloys for purposes of machineability, the majority of lead in foreign cookware is because of the recycled mixed scrap metal used to make the pots.
Are these for camping? I don’t know if the store bought are aluminum. I would just threw them away get new ones
Yes, these are store bought for camping. Modern-day aluminum cookware is pretty safe. It's the old antique stuff you gotta worry about
I checked mine out, it was good & so was the applesauce. My mom made applesauce from scratch, this reminded me of her applesauce.
That's great to hear Roy!
Too many Alzheimer patients here in the US Caribbean. Thanks for the advice
Thanks for watching Raul!
Another great video! I really like your cool cat and your fire box.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it all. Thanks for watching
Yes when you cook in aluminium you get some dosis of chemicals inside you.....but it only comes in small values so the risks are very small. That said the radiation of electronic devises are just as dangerous as consuming food or water that was cooked or stored in aluminium.
And, no telling what microwaved food is doing to us
THANKYOU SO MUCH🥰I will be testing my Mom's turkey pan..and also passing on this information. Alzheimer's unfortunately runs in our family. ..and aluminum has Definitely been found in to contribute to this Horrible Disease. I have been a health care provider for many years and part of an agency that helped report data for Alzheimer's research in the 90's. The link between aluminum and Alzheimer's is true.
Thanks again!
You are very welcome Loretta and thanks for the comments!
Well people say things about aluminum..and it is true ..I know they are light to carry ..,but rather have fewer than to take risk..thanks for the tip..
I hear ya Angie. I'm a big stainless steel fan.
After watching this one is had to go try my old pots and pans too. The stamped ones had no reaction. While all of my cast stuff had a similar reaction as yours. My cast stuff belonged to my grandmother and I know for certain the only thing it was ever used for was food. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. God bless and stay safe.
Good to hear you used this test Rich. Maybe it wasn't misuse and was just a bad alloy? Thanks for watching and may God bless you too
How old was Grandma when she croaked?
Hi ! I bought Titanium cookware. The canteen cup in my picture was not good for cooking
Hello Alex and thanks for the info. Ive got a titanium cup too but never tried cooking out of it. I just drink out of it
Again great information. I always thought the discolor was oxidation. The acidity in the apple sauce must cause a reaction when heated. I have an old cast aluminum pressure cooker dating back to 1945. I think it is probably wise to check it with this method. Dave, Thanks for another interesting video. I enjoy your knowledge sharing! Tom Broome
Thanks Tom, I'm glad you liked it. They say it's the malic and ascorbic acids in the apples that react with the aluminum
I work in a laboratory and we can check levels of metals, based on parts per billion. Water also has heavy metals!
Very interesting Jorge!
Trade you your cold day for our cold day... -9 right now and a blizzard on the way... Wanna trade? I'm freezing my tail off. Even the cat moved back in the house. First time in 9 months that he decided he wants to be a house cat again. He even put up with a bath for it.
Wow! Now that's cold! Right now our cold is high in the 40s. Starting Monday we wont get out of the 30s for highs all week. That's cold for us Southerners!
I know and my Southern girl blood refuses to develop its own anti-freeze even after 30 years...lol
LOL! They claim one acclimatizes to an areas temp after living there awhile but I believe the Hypothalamus is set when we are born and raised in a certain area.
I'm all Billy Badbutt when it's 40 degrees out there, wearing t-shirts and flip flops but as of now.. it is -19... ----19 degrees.. I have words for this, words my memaw would wash my mouth out with soap for.
I think if you oiled that cast aluminum pot, and baked on several layers of oil, seasoned it well, it would be different.
I probably need to try that. It's a pretty cool old pot. Thanks for watching
Hello Dave. Thank you for this very interesting video! I will test my aluminum pans with applesauce...i'm looking forward to the result. I wish you a fantastic start to 2018. Greets from Switzerland
Felix
You are very welcome and I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and you have a great 2018 too Felix!
Had a used alum stew pot that was used as a chamber pot,,, food i cooked in it ALWAYS tasted like $hit !!! LOL
LOL!
Pretty cool test there and there's definitely something up with that cast pot. The color change was very obvious. Like you said, finding out your cookware is toxic is bad however I think finding out sooner than later is definitely for the best. Thanks for the video, always enjoy them. Take care Dave!
Thanks Brother, I'm glad you liked it. Yep, quite a color difference. Not sure why it happened but it's enough to keep me from using that pot! Thanks for watching my friend
I would like to see if it would turn A second batch of applesauce pink as apples are acidic I wonder if the first ate all the impurity's out and the second batch would not turn pink?
I have no idea, I haven't done that yet. I do plan on polishing it to a high shine and retest.
If I understood it right, Aluminum (Aluminium) is a so called soft metal and releases particles in to the food when heated...and therefore in to your body. BTW...Alzheimer's, according to research is also caused by eating soy products (together with impotence). I still own a aluminum canteen and matching cup....but I will replace that with a stainless steal one...if I will remember. LOL (Have a good one David!)
Very interesting Patrick and I never knew that about soy! Thanks for watching
Phytoestrogens are FAR less effective than the bovine estrogen found in dairy and beef. The Japanese have a diet very high in soy and studies don't show the problems people claim.
Also i picked up some aluminum kits and I'm very resistant to use them. Probably going to just scrap them
Boy there is a difference I think I'm going to check my pots like that also that's got me worried now I might have some scrap aluminum
Yep, major difference. Test em and see how they turn out.
Great find Dave, people say aluminum can cause memory lost in early years! Great way to test cookware! (( excellent test!!!!!))) now you can use the cast aluminum pot for motor oil!
Thanks Ronald! I'm glad you liked it
Try using cabbage, let sit for 30 minutes after you cook it. See if it turns pink. More accurate than apple sauce. Sitting in the pot as it cools is significant.
That's a new one to me Nana. I'll have to try that.
Hey! Here's a "Tip" I just thought of. To clean an old pot let "White vinegar" sit inside of an old pot for a couple of weeks. (Coat the entire surface). I just revived an old flashlight using this idea. "Vinegar" is a mild acid. I've invented two World Class inventions that damn near made me a multi-millionaire. (No joke). PS: I'm confident that "Pot" is "Shot". However. As an inventor I'd retry your test. If there's any improvement in color or smell. Keep repeating. Like you, I like to "Play" around with things. (Think it's time for a new pot in this case.)
Good idea Bill!
If there is toxicity, what are the side effects or issues? Is it temporary or Permanent? This just raises more questions.
I have no idea what the extent of it is. High levels of aluminum in the bloodstream is bad but I'm not really sure of what other toxic elements could be in cast aluminum
maybe the cast is more porous than the stamped so it absorbs more of whatever was cooked in it?
Could be. I don't know if its the porous cast nature of it or just the age?
Interesting thanks! the only thing we use is an aluminum perk coffee pot for camping from the 50's - quit using baking powder with aluminum (they make brands without it now) quit drinking beer from aluminum - switched to glass bottles - and I read labels on almost all baked goods I buy and tortillas I buy. Aluminum on label - skip it. several brands of tortillas do not have aluminum listed now. Bisquick is a BIGGIE with aluminum! People have used it for years! People say that when they eliminate this from diet - the Alz. actually reverses! look it up folks
I'm happy you liked the video. Good information you mentioned. I actually have a box of Bisquick in the kitchen now. I read the ingredients and was shocked to read sodium aluminum phosphate! I had no idea.
Jiffy makes similar product and aluminum doesn't appear in ingredients
Hey Brother Dave ! Its Jerry from Fort Mill SC ! Yea I'm still alive ! Happy New Year Man ! I'm sorry I still haven't got your stuff sent to you ! I wanted it to be there for Christmas but we have had so much to go wrong in the past 2 months it has just been a mess ! Mostly with my Moms Parkinson's ! As well our computer went out and I haven't been able to retrieve your address . Its in the shop now so I will get back to you soon so I can get this stuff to you ! One item in particular involves some really good reflectix material that I know you can use on these cold nights camping (if you get to go) ! Great Videos by the way ! I have one of those big cast pots like that I bought at yard sale ! I Wil be testing it for sure ! Thanks for everything you do Bro it really helps this disabled old man to have some quality time watching the tube ! God Bless Brother !
Hello Brother Jerry! Happy New year to you too and it's great hearing from you again man. Send me stuff any time you want or can and I'll be very happy to get it! I hope to do some cold weather camping. What's bad is our annual mill shutdown lasts ALL of February. That's 12 hours a day for over 30 days straight. I'll have no daylight for a month! Take care and may God bless you Brother!
Now you have a big aluminum pot to make a "project" out of... LOL
LOL, Im thinking a good fire pot for heating?
Someone is going to have a bunch of dishes to wash ;o)
LOL! Ah I threw more wood on the fire, added water and boiled em clean!
Hey brother I have been watching you for years. Great stuff. So I got a couple pots that did not pass the apple sauce test. Is there a way to save it
Thanks! My only guess it try to season it with a thick burnt coating like you would cast iron
wow this is a huge lesson in testing old pots and living healthier. thank you !
Yes it is Brother!
Very informative, thanks Dave!
Did you ever consider doing a "These are the three knots I use when I'm out"?
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I figured there's already about a thousand videos on knots so I never did one. If I could do one on knots in actual use? That might be interesting
@@Reallybigmonkey1- Yeah, that's what I had in mind. There are millions of videos on knots but who really walks in the woods with "the perfect 37 knots for all situations" :D Ridicolous :D
A video actually showing the knots you really use and in use. Would be interesting. Because I really am not a rope/ knot person and I'd be curious to see if your way of explaining might convert me into one :D Keep it up!
Oh and by the way: you and Nick are stars from the south. Why don't you have diamond grills in your moufs? :D JK :)
Hi Dave thanks for the video most inlightening good job mate big thanks
Hello Dave and I'm glad you liked it brother
maybe the big bad pot can be turned into a field cooker/fire pit. holes drilled around the bottom and a grill on top .
People have suggested a simple fire bowl but I love your idea with the grill!
Why not try progressively sand the inside of the cast pan to remove the bad part. Polish it and try again. Love your videos !!
I believe I will polish it and retest Paul
Only aluminum pot I use is an old coffee percolator, We use it every time we go camping..All the rest of my pots are stainless steel, I don't mind the extra weight, it's just piece of mind. I wouldn't want to inadvertently poison my family using aluminum pots. I use the MSR Seagull pots in my personal kit and carry a small cast iron frypan.. I haven't found a stainless frypan I actually like.. Great info Dave, thanks for the info.
Some claim boiling water, coffee or soup is OK in aluminum but food isn't. Who knows? I personally use stainless 90% of the time. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching Zane
I think maybe it's because of a reaction to the acids in some foods like applesauce, or tomato based products. You know heat+acid+aluminum (doesn't sound good to me anyways), that's what I suspect. Great job though lookin after your peeps man..LOL
Although aluminum is indeed found in the plaques of Alzheimer's patients, how it gets there is still not understood. Aluminum is considered inert as a single element in relation to the human body as far as we know, but aluminum is also reactive with heavy metals, and its behavior may change when in relation to other chemicals. There are now concerns about these relationships and the fact that it's in Alzheimer's patient plaques is irrefutable. Aluminum isn't used in any metabolic pathway so we are still scratching our heads. Very few things are just "good" and "bad". Educate yourself, consider the validity of your sources and then make your own decisions. I personally don't use aluminum in cooking much, but for the occasional camping trip it certainly isn't going to kill me. YMMV. Btw, love your reviews.
Whats bad about the "Validity" of these conflicting arguments are the fact that they come from Doctors, surgeons, metalurgists, engineers and scientists. Amazing how such educated folks cant agree on anything
Reallybigmonkey1, this is because many practitioners are more "religious" in their approach to health care than "scientific". Just think of how often people will say, "I don't believe in..." (insert type of health care or treatment modality). One must have a healthy level of skepticism, but one shouldn't let one's preconceived notions interfere with learning, progress and growth. The topic of aluminum carries a lot of baggage in many areas (financial, health care, social and historical to name a few), so the waters surrounding it will remain largely muddied. Finding "the truth" about subjects like this require a boat load of work, to say the least. Sometimes I wish I knew less, lol. Sorry for the long rant.
Al is quite reactive with fluoride. It may actually remove the fluoride from water. Or worse - bind to it and stay in the water/meal. I gotta do a little research on chloride. And yea, the oxide is what you always get on the surface unless you remove it with sandpaper or something. Then it's easier to react and etch it with acid or base. Therefore it's better not to clean it or to heat it and wait for the surface to oxidize a bit before cooking. This may have been the cause of the large pot failure.
IMO it depends on alloy. If the cast pot is pure Al then it may be a clue.
Many companies make their copper pots with a core of aluminum by Electroplating. Makes copper pots cheaper and lighter. It's a fairly easy prosses to do if you want to save old aluminum pots. You can also use Anodization to stop the leaching of oxides. You can fill any pits and cracks with a lead-free high heat tin solder or silver solder. That stew pot is unique enough to give it a try. Instead of scrubbing them to try and clean off the oxides get some TSP, gloves and a scotch bright pad. The TSP will eat a layer or two. You will need to do this any way to electroplate it. You can buy the copper electroplate solution and use a copper scrubbing pad as electrodes to transfer more copper to the pot. Easy search how to on TH-cam. If you really want to make sure it's covered and inert you can get the gold or silver electroplate coating and just do the inside of the pot after the copper coat.
Thanks for that info Joe
You're Welcome. I have repaired many different kettles this way. I always grab them whenever I see the right ones in second-hand shops. Some kettles get very ornate. It's easy to sell them once copper coated and polished.
Thanks yet again Dave! I have always wondered/worried about this. Incredibky useful video making. Cheers!
You are very welcome my friend and thanks for watching
Aluminum causes ...memory loss and ED in males thank god I use stainless and cast iron only lol great video Dave
I use stainless about 90% of the time. Thanks for watching Dave
alun ni mmmmmmmummm very difficult to say fast try it
Over here in the UK we pronounce it as we spell it..Aluminium.
Aluminium versus aluminum. ... Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812.
Man I can't say it fast or slow.
It's honestly easier for me to pronounce it just like y'all do in the UK
How did the "pink" applesaus smelled like in the old bad aluminium pie?
Lol, I have no idea
Thanks and Happy New Year!!
And a Happy New year to you too Connie!
Do you think you could use applesauce to actually clean your pot then?
Maybe. I never thought about that.
Great video Dave, I have a large pot looks like your 'bad one', made by
Club Aluminum, I never cook with it but it makes an EXCELLENT lead melting pot for making sinkers, bullets etc. !!!!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Mine may just be a club then! Thanks for watching
Can you rest an aluminum kettle in the edge of the fire to boil water or will it belt?
As long as water is in it? It'll never melt. A empty aluminum pot will melt fast