Where does real accuracy come from
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- Discussion about accuracy of this 300win mag at 3000 yards and why....
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That rapid fire ELR group really was something, I shared it with my shooting buddies, they all reacted to it as I did. I find it funny when Mark says he's not a brilliant shot, but goes on to detail all the engineering side and the understanding of the way his gun is built, made to move, the understanding of ammo / wind etc... All of which is what makes someone a great shot, which he obviously is, but keeps it humble :D
Thanks Man, glad you liked, Cheers
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It really seems that people who are modest are the ones that truly know
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I am a firm believer that we continue using the techniques that work the best for us, I continue to learn from you each time you post videos. Thank you
Thanks Randall
Thanks for truthfully sharing what works for you. I feel very much the same as you with regards to harmonics, and that the shooter can make or break the accuracy of a particular rifle and load.
It is obvious you are not sprinkling a little BS in with your truth just to throw off other competitors, like one of the other channels does. (I think we all know who I'm talking about)
Your 'no BS' approach is much appreciated, and why I will continue to watch your channel.
Also what i notice and appreciate is the level of respect, teamwork, and professionalism between you and Sam that comes through in every video. You are a great team.
Thanks Man, glad you like, Cheers
Appreciate the way you illustrates how a one moa group looks like at 3000 yards. That really visualise what to look for and store in your brain. Fully agree with your philosophy wrt ELR shooting and I'm enjoying your videoes immenesly.
Awesome, Cheers
Much love again mark and sam.. we would enjoy any videos you put out good sir... reloading ..builds..prep it dont matter.. thoroughly enjoy every second .
Cain M.D
Thanks you man, Cheers
I’ve always learned a lot from your videos. From rifle setup to reloading. You never over complicate it, just showing what’s required. Cheers 👍
Cheers Tony, thanks man
A wonderful teaching opportunity, thank you for taking the time
Thanks Andrew
Brilliant Mark... your humility is commendable....but your knowledge and hard work is truly brilliant... well done.....
Trigger time is what it's all about
Thanks Man, cheers
Better than inconsistent calm. words to live by. Great Video.
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Appreciate all the entertaining & educational videos M&S. Keep on keeping on guys 💪🏻🇺🇸
Thanks Tate, cheers
Great explanation on the how's and why's of your shooting Mark. Very informative. Thanks for yours and Sam's work. Cheers
Cheers Johny
Outstanding breakdown and analysis of how everything interacts to contribute to overall “accuracy” of a firearm…! This is one of your best overall videos you’ve done to date…!!! 👍👍
Cheers Tommy, thanks
Thanks for sharing you 2 are amazing team keep the videos co.ing
Thanks Man
G'day, mate, was watching Alaska Ballistics live and he said to say hello and he is a big fan like me.
Thanks Man, great to hear, Cheers and all our best
You guys are just awesome 👌🏼 a true gem in the industry 🇨🇦
Thanks Vince, Cheers
Hi Mark
Although I do not shoot as far as yourself probably 5-7 hundred yards I have learnt quite a lot from watching your videos
Keep up the good work
Great to hear, thanks Chris
I love when you do these types of videos with some shooting and explaining of what goes into it. I hope that santa can save up enough $ to order the bag base and a brake by the time my bipod components are ready to ship.
Awesome, thanks Johnny, Cheers
ive seen some pretty neat accuracy in the woods of vermont back wen the benoits from duxbury and my dad were still running those ridges amazing too he had a lazy eye and peep sights!
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I just clicked on the video and paused it, so haven't watched it yet. I can tell you where real accuracy comes from though. It's what you do Mark. The best equipment and shooter I've seen by far.
Lol, thanks Duggy, Cheers man
Great content thanks for sharing
Thanks John
Important tips ! thank you for your efforts, best regards Steve
Thanks Steve
Thanks for informing
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Thanks Mark.
Thanks Rich
Thank you. The KISS principal rules.
Thanks Dave
Love this video Mark, and all your videos mate. I’m a hunter primarily but gradually practicing longer ranges on steel. I really appreciate your ideas on load development and your take on the harmonics. I practise my target shooting with a 6.5cm. I have a 123gn sst hunting load running AR2208 and a target load using 130gn Berger VLDs using Ar2209. The later is about 100 fps slower how ever there is only a small difference of point of impact even out at 400m. While I do believe small details can make small improvements in accuracy, you can spend a lot of time doing extra work in reloading for little gain.
Thanks Dan, Cheers Man
Thank you
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Super informative today, thanks for sharing
Thanks Tim
Night force is made here locally where I live. I’ve never bought one but maybe I should. Just need a separate full time job to afford them 😅 Also nice to know you don’t worry too much about load development. I have a habit of overthinking every day life and really don’t need to go down that rabbit hole lol
Thanks Man, Cheers
Been using your adjustable bag rider for a while now and it's the best investment I've bought for shooting out of everything I've got for my rifle . And I've found the 300 win mag one of the best cartridges for elr compared to all the others ive tested against except the 300 norma with 250gr projectiles
Thanks Jason, all the best man, Cheers
Same. Things so well made. Such a nice bit of gear and engineering.
Your welcome
I had a Rem long range 300 WM and it wouldn't do good with anything i fed it. It now has a 30" Douglas with the stock Bell and Carlson dug out to accommodate the heavy barrl. It likes 190 matchkings. I had it built for 1000 yard benchrest. But i simply could not bring myself to burn out the barrl with 5 and 10 round strings. So i repurposed it to hunting and ELR.....both probably offering better barrl life. Its holding half moa at 100 with 200gr ELD-X projectiles. Next up is a 338 win mag on another Rem LRR action with a 30 inch Douglas. It'll be dedicated to ELR. Love your videos!
Awesome, thanks Shawn
What has always amazed me is how good of a spotter she is. I have shot out to 2750 and it's hard to spot misses at times and she dosent seem to miss a round. What spotting scope is she using.
Agreed. thanks Man, Cheers
I like your K.I.S.S method.
Thanks James
You certainly can not argue with your results.
Thanks Pete
Hey Mark!
Just about everyone spends too much time shooting groups at 100yd… However… It would be very interesting if you would on occasion follow up an ELR performance video with a 5rd group at 100yd or 100m… to demonstrate the performance characteristics of the same rifle and ammo in terms that most shooters can better understand or relate to. I think such videos would be popular… I know I am curious to see!
I have recently developed the opinion that sub-moa 3rd groups at 100… are overrated for most average shooters applications.
Ya mate… we want to know if your rifles that do THAT 😳… are they shooting tiny bug holes at 100… or what?
I imagine with your tilted scopes ur gonna need a pretty tall target!!!
Cheers!
We do not shoot 100 yards, we have no easy option to do it, nor the free time, sorry, Cheers
Very interesting. Do you have any thoughts on high round count barrels, as in the lands wearing away, moving forward? Absolutely love your stuff.
Yes, all in several videos on the channel, and probably go there again.... Cheers
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Do you have any tips for one who does not run a bipod? Letting the rifle lean on bags or such, makes it complicated to preload it, but is there any teqnique there that you know of ? Does it help having your weak hand, pushing the butstock into the shoulder?
Great content as always.
Can help, but really about what works for you, trigger time is where you will find your answer, Cheers
Mark. What do you do when determining OCL? Do you play with seating depth or just aim for as long as you can with respect to the mag length? Is there a jump you like to start at? Seems the load development part is minimal but you surely have some thoughts on this?
On my weatherby Vanguard (Howa1500) in 300winmag, it has a long throat and I run out of mag length far before I hit the lands so its ether single feed por my mag determines the OCL. On some of my other rifles iv found some bullets like lots of jump, others like to be jammed.
Thanks!
We have a couple of videos on the subject, link to index video below, Cheers
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Around 24:30 you talk about the collarbone for shooting. Collarbone shooting always hurts a little even with a squishy recoil pad and leaves the collarbone bruised the next day, do you adjust for this somehow? Just take the bruising? Or is there a specific spot you use that doesn't cause pain and bruising?
Not an issue I see, even when shooting the big ones, no bruising or pain, not sure what to tell you, FYI I show the spot on the collar bone in the video, Cheers
When I watch shooting videos, and shoot myself, the forward rest (bipod, fence rail, backpack, etc) is roughly 10 to 14" in front of the action. This is typically where the end of the chassis or the stock is. The physics of using a bipod seems to me that a rest that was significantly farther out would facilitate better precision. (improved groups vs improved accuracy) This would be a result of significantly decreased wiggle of the front end of the weapon. Why do we as shooters not create forward positioned rests? I recognize some down sides are weight, decreased ease of carry (unwieldly), decreased ability to adjust, and some other issues. However, it seems like an adjustable forward positioned bipod could be made for precision shooting. Your thoughts?
There are systems, attachments and chassis like that out there, they can help some folks and the set ups, Cheers
Hi Mark & Sam, I have a question I’m hoping you can help me with. I know a muzzle break helps a good deal with recoil of which I really need now since I just blew my right shoulder up. My question is 3 part, I’m shooting a Weatherby Accumark in 300 Win Mag and was wondering your thoughts on bolt on Muzzle Brakes? The second would be do you make them and lastly do you believe one will change harmonics more than another?
Thanks for your time and education.
God Bless you both and yours
We have lots of videos on muzzle brakes, all explained there, as sales question, there is a email address below to ask info, we do not make recommendations in the comments, sorry, Cheers
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Understand, I was looking on your website and just saw screw on. I wasn’t sure if you had used other types in past. I’ll look harder. Thanks and blessings
Search the channel, hers how to do that th-cam.com/video/lWohyYEn-wc/w-d-xo.html
Mark you mentioned the long throat length in the Remington 700 long range factory barrel, do any action or barreled action manufacturers publish chamber , throat, freebore dimensions? I’m saving for my build (leaning towards Howa) but for the sake of frugality want long throat
Not sure, we don't sell rifles and we always find differences in the off the shelf ones we have purchased, Cheers
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Have y'all tried the seating dies that use a small arbor press to seat with that hold the projectile perfectly concentric to the case mouth? I cat remember who makes em tho I think l.e.wilson
We use Forster straight line dies on some ours, Cheers
I have noticed at long range 1500 or say and beyond that if I take my bipod and pivot that bipod to level the gun on uneven ground my rifle will tend to shoot to the opposite direction I have to can’t the bipod but if instead of canting the head of the bipod to level the rifle I extend or contract one of the legs to level the rifle to the uneven ground the rifle doesn’t trend one way or the other why is this? I’m using an atlas pic rail mount bipod it is tight I preload it as you mention and I have tried this now on three of my rifles and everyone reacts the same way my theory is it shifts the weight of the rifle more to one leg or the other which in tune makes that leg grip the ground more than the other maybe just a very very small amount but it’s there and under recoil the leg that has the weight on it holds and the rifle doesn’t recoil perfectly straight back!! I could be crazy maybe I’m wrong that is what I think is happening what do you think?
Well yes, keeping the bipod head level to the level rifle is the correct way to do it, Cheers
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As someone that shoots tactical rifle and F class, I have to agree, you cannot shoot tactical rifle (which is what Mark shoots at very long distances) with free recoil. You have to preload and be attached to the rifle. There are way too many variables in that set up for free recoil. Can a free recoil be used accurately or even more accurately than preloaded form of shooting ... absolutely, just look at F class and bench rest, but the set up and conditions are very different. Every discipline and style is hard and all of them are completely dependent on consistency, assuming the gun actually shoots well. Consistency is the black art of shooting
Thanks Mick, Cheers
Alot of people don't know the reality of 3000 yards
Agreed, thanks Bob
Gotta be repeatability right. The root of accuracy.
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All explained, Cheers
What caliber did you use
Listen carefully and you will hear
300wm
3000 yards....That's 1.7 miles or 2.7 kilometers! For anyone who needs a reference/ doesn't want to do the math themselves ;)
Lol, Cheers