I have trained in both boxing and in Modern Arnis. I thought boxing was more superior for empty-hand, but after learning even the basics of Arnis I realized that I could use those techniques with boxing and could pick apart my opponents easier using a combination of both. And by combining both I usually confuse my opponents as my boxing is more an unorthodox to them.
The moment you slip (boxing technique) you can follow up with an impact attack or whatever close guard kali based attack and it literally bamboozle my opponent
lol how is boxing superior than arnis, it only counters and doesn't have parries. you may hit your opponent but it will typically take several punches before it can really hurt. boxing is a sport. arnis can easily maim the opponent. it is used by military forces around the world
I am a filipino and i learned kali in the remote province of mindanao... our guro always taught us to learn the movements of a boxer because he said this is the most effective fist striking method so he trained us with the kali and a boxing.....because base on his fighting experience with the boxer from Saranggani he studied and learned boxing and mixed it with the ESCRIMA/KALI. .. He admits that it is really imposible to catch or counter a boxers punch unless you are a boxer.... but putting it together with the deadly Kali it is way effective than a traditional kali
If a boxer jabs with their left or right hand, parry it towards their inside while moving to the outside of that jab. That jab will cross their centerline holding back that loaded punch a bit, which throws off the 1,2 punch timing. A simple technique you can use against a 1,2 punch.
Just saw this. I'm 71. 52 years in SD and pro boxer. They both can help each other. But to say one vs. the other is to me a disrespect. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, just as well you or anyone els . just learn as much as we all can and enjoy a simple life. Thank you for your time and keep teaching.
For Panantukan the elbow shield is usually more of a static raise and brace rather than an upward strike that way even if you mess up you can kind of roll it into a shield
The ones with negative comments, are the ones who need to learn the most, martial arts is a giant tree made of many branches. Each branch bares its own fruits, why only understand one when you can benefit from many? If you took the time to understand another art maybe it could teach you more about yours......🤔
On point bro, I've been to a lot of fist fight before when younger butI took disciplined approach in Marine Corps Mix Martial Arts in later years. One style is not less or better than the other,but any combination of application will over come either one. PEACE
... They're also costing me comparing fighters. Traditional marital artists never step in the ring and must have never been tested... In a real life situation... Against an experienced boxer especially. Boxers are full contact fighters. Used to being hit. By someone trying to KO you
@@AGC828 "Traditional martial artists never stop in the ring" is just wrong lol. Go watch a karate or tkd guy get kicked in the face. I'd call Muay Thai a traditional martial art, you gonna say that's not full contact?
manlalaban1 one thing everyone is forgetting is that karate used to be used only for the purpose to kill. But of course they softened karate and don’t train people like that anymore but the lethal moves like nukite and other moves would put any fighter down. No one can take a spear hand to the throat or even a throat chop either.
Train pure boxing first then incorporate panantukans elbows and knees etc... Alot of panantukan guys dont have a proper grasp on boxing mechanics... And try neutralizing with your long range weapons. why not cripple his knees and legs first then move in after you injure his base? muay thai can exploit a boxers bladed stance because of the accessibility of the lead leg..a couple of shin kicks to the knee nullifies anyones punching power. .. Sikaran/pananjakan/yaw yan/panantukan all employ the indo/malay/khmer type round kick to the knees and thighs...as for the vertical elbow to knuckle destruction it requires the most practice to even be able to be utilized with a 30% chance of success...i think a under gunt to the funny bone nerve or outer gunt to the tricep/elbow would enjoy a little better success rate in a real encounter depending on how fast the jab or strike is retracted...in the case of a pro boxer you would do better to concentrate on attacking his legs.. Even the best boxer can succumb to leg kicks... in that exhibition match between Antonio anoki the Japanese professional wrestler and Muhammad Ali anoki attacked ali's legs.. now mind you if Antonio inoki was an experienced Muay Thai Fighter he could have really seriously damaged Muhammad Ali's legs and he actually did send ali to the hospital because those kicks although weakly executed gave Ali blood clots... it was a good strategy for anoki because he sure would have got knocked out if he tried to match Ali with his hands.
true, in fact, im going to go down the westernboxing/filipino martial arts roots once i find a good boxing gym in town. also, i think that muay thai has a PLETHORA of close range techniques with shielding, elbows etc. you could easily make it a street ready, close range style - it already has all the tools
theres some good videos where kali pracitioners actually show you what they could pull or against a boxer in a sparring match. and its not much at all...
Boxers need to get in punching range to punch. I used to do some light friendly sparring with guys who boxed in the military: I would anticipate their step in with the right which is always followed by that right jab or right cross. At the moment of the step I would flick out my left foot and lightly rap their right kneecap. Leg length= longer than their arm reach past the knee. I'd say 'Had this been full speed on the street I would've broken your kneecap'. Not personal, just tactical only takes some practice. What happens after that depends on my attacker, maybe that's not the only thing I break. Box me, please. If you want to limp away I'll probably let you go, do the smart thing. I'm a little slower these days so I will use my heel, just coming straight up from the floor.
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Excellent video!! Outstanding demonstration!!! Thank you.. Love from New York City... My old teachers here in NYC Henry and Mark taught us this very same methodology and approach and it is really effective!!!
Good video. Ignore the ignorant. The elbow method does work even against a jab [I have done so on more than one occasion]; so does baiting and movement and/or ducking your head, letting them hit your forehead. Most boxers do not have hardened, conditioned fists and without hand-wraps and gloves are likely to break their only weapon: their hand. First: WE KNOW WHERE THE JAB IS GOING TO GO: the chin. When we realize this it takes VERY little to deflect. Look at the forward leg, bait. Feel with your hands, but lead with your feet. When the jab comes, push forward like a blade [the forearm will deflect], but step just to the outside of the opponent's forward knee. Wing Chun uses a Tan Sao which is quite effective against a straight punch or attack, especially if you slide forward toward your opponent. I believe your blade-arm technique if slightly angled can accomplish a similar effect. If you travel hard to their center mass, even if they draw back, you will gain outside entry, jam their shoulder and be able to finish in a number of ways. Boxing is not "magic". The body falls if the base is taken.
@@theboltthrower8661 I have fought multiple opponents in real life situations; life and death. You don't know sh!t. Every martial art has valid techniques. Fighters always have an edge. Most martial artists are not fighters. And most fighters are not martial artists. A jab isn't magic. There are ways to deal with jabs and other techniques. Just as there are counters for ANY technique. I don't underestimate boxing; I love boxing and have trained it. But I tire of ignorant f*ckheads such as yourself thinking the only worthy art is "boxing". Why the f*ck are you even here, then?
You are honestly a huge inspiration on my Arnis training you and the videos you make really are inspirational.. any chance you could make a video on the basics of the Arnis/Kali stance and how to properly stand when performing these moves and how to position hands and feet. You are awesome bro 😄
Zayuh appreciate the love!! Let me tell you right now id love to make a video for you. But the answer is so simple I can fit it in here.. don’t worry about any stances, position, etc. That’s icing on the cake. Focus on your weapon control, distance management and timing. That should be your concern for the time being. I’ll probably do a video giving the different types of “positions you can be in” but they are in no way mandatory to your technique! Keep it up!!
Jay Pierre wow what a nice compliment! Though Dan Inosanto plays a huge influence on me, I have never personally trained under him or his students. I have always strived to be able to teach fma at a high level with clarity, so I appreciate your comment a lot!
I do a different martial art called Tang Lang which I feel has a similar mindset as Kali, so we face some of the same issues. We haves strikes in our style and submission/joint locks. We're also more aggressive and dont do the one-two temp of boxing. I need to look more into fma because i think there is a lot i can add together from both styles.
Actually one thing I like is the dirty boxing and hand destruction as defense you show in the video because its something my art doesn't have as much. We're all offense, trapping and peppering our opponents with continuous strikes but not much in how to hurt someone attacking us. Our offense is our defense where your defense is offense and if I could just combine those two aspects now. If my opponent second guesses themselves striking me because I'm hurting them every time they throw a strike at me then it makes my offense that much easier.
I started boxing at 17 I have practiced FMA for 15 years, I have no trouble using my Arnis against boxers (Lastra Arnis) train against the boxers guard, not his extension, follow the jab back in and trap and use dumog. Attack the limbs and lower body. Arnis is a bladed art, boxing’s origin is in fencing. Your distance, timing and foot work will win the fight. Great post thanks.
From what I was told by my first FMA instructor, modern boxing has deep influence from FMA and is fundamentally different than 19th Century boxing that was done in Europe and the US.
@@armynurseboy bare knuckle boxing is the type you should use for street/combatives things change when there are no gloves. I have had several private students that were highly competitive amateur and semi pro boxers, they all came to me because they all had their heads handed to them in the street. With no gloves your weapons change, your targets change, and your defense has to change. A good FMA system takes all these things into account.
@@vanealvarez132 while it is true that much of FMA is influenced by European fencing, it is slighting FMA as an art to say that classical western fencing is all it is, I word recommend Mark Wiley’s excellent work “Filipino Martial Culture” to you. After all boxing is only a sport, not a martial art.
I box and do Modern Arnis or presas arnis and I have used one count traps to counter other boxers in sparring. instead of doing one two. I just time the jab or the cross and do a parry with a punch. there is always a way to use the technique, you just have to modify it for combat or street combative's.
I completely agree. Here we just call them counters which in corporate footwork, parries, and guntangs or counter punches/eye pokes or groin slaps lol.
@@stiggy0532 Go look up Zab Judah 52 blocks, or pretty much any counter fighter then. you will see they use the same concept with traps/counters. lomachenko does the same thing when he counters. He pulls the person guard then attacks. Its all the same concepts used in FMA.
I'm a American Kenpo Sifu. I would use leg techniques to take out and damage his legs. I'm not going to compete in boxing with him, no way,always use the opposite.
Bob McDowell which guy the boxer or the Kali guy? As a Panantukan Guy, and Wing Chun Guy I definitely agree it’s stupid to engage in a shot for shot. My starting art was Tokagi Yoshin Ryu and that was the motto my sensei (quite literally) pounded into my head. Been doing Kali for about four years now
Good stuff. I took a Kali / escrima class and was taught the same. The difference was the haymaker defense, in addition to blocking it the free elbow was used to strike the chest at the same time Then follow up with other strikes.
Hey I love watching your videos you very slow into explaining each movement and the name of it and its purpose. That really helps me because I'm more of a Hands-On guy. Thanks for taking the time damn shame that you're not in Charleston LOL
If you fight a boxer, i mean real fight.... use weapon, fight dirty. That's arnis is supposed to be, you fight to survive the situation not to have a bragging rights
Kudos for covering this topic! Most Martial Artists run away from this topic. As a former boxer and a Martial Artist all I can say is, it's the fighter not the style! When fighting a boxer circle away from his flurries and watch out for his power hand. Not every boxer is a Mike Tyson or a Mayweather, just as not all martial art practitioners are a Bruce Lee. Use what God gave you and always stay calm and go TRAIN! :-)
Those elbow hits are similar to 52 handblocks (catch bullet, crossed bones), although 52 is a lot more tight/defensive minded/multiple opponent oriented than Kali as commonly demonstrated. Boxer's handspeed is what kills, and ability to slip and roll. You need to draw a specific strike or open an area to reduce their choices if that is possible. Agree with many of the other comments to fade and attack the leg if possible. Also stop hits to the front of the bicep work better than crossing hits to the inside of the bicep - treated like short stem knife stab/prison shank attack. If they are any good you will have tough time using these techniques or any that involve trapping. Grab clothing and turn them. Any inside block or movement you need to already be guards up for their second punch already incoming and maybe uppercut.
Neuman2010 52 is the perfect combination to counter boxers and martial artist. People just sleep on it cause it was developed in the hood. But it is extremely effective!!!!
The more I look at dirty boxing the more I realise I need to just stick to boxing. FMA is for weapons, there's a reason boxing/muay thai/wrestling stood the test of time. You don't need guntings if you can move your feet and hit hard. Much respect to this instructor for expressing the art though.
in FMA the weapons translate to hand to hand combat. FMA has stood the test of time as well, it was used against Spanish conquistadors. Well Arnis (or Eskrima or Kali) specifically was used against them and even Magellan
@@adandyguyinspace5783 from what I understand so far the weapons art is clearly practical I have no doubt or gripe against the history as the historical part is sheerely astonishing! Could I ask if you could put some footage up of some live sparring using panotukan? I still so far only ever see the use of western boxing in a live context, if that dosen't sound arrogant of me
Excellent stuff I'm personally FMA-4-LIFE. My only one input is for maximum effect so all can have stopping power a Dulo - Dulo or fist loaded tool is needed.
The elbow thing is kind of interesting, but I personally think it would be really hard to pull off assuming they are aiming for your head, keeping time, and following up. Every time I have sparred with boxers as someone who likes MMA with a lot of boxing myself, I feel like the hits retract a bit fast, fly a bit fast, and hit a bit high to effectively bring the fist into my elbow. However, I do like your answer to hooks and your advice to keep distance and kick. However, I would like to warn people that boxers are going to be familiar with a shield and advance approach to a hook. Lots of boxers learn to block hooks the same way, and they deal with slip approaches all of the time. So, they may be a bit quicker to adapt than you may expect at first. I don't know about your martial art. I ended up here on accident while looking up stuff for karambits. If you would like me to add a bit here as someone who spars with boxers all of the time, my best advice would be to use your legs and grapple as much as possible. They train with fists, and they spar with fists. They are going to tunnel on your fists unless they have some mma experience, and your kicks are going to catch them off guard. Anyone with any grappling experience would do well to get the grapple fast because most boxers don't have experience with grappling either.
I've studied a couple SE Asian arts in the past and can tell you that the elbow destruction can work based on the principle they refer to as touch reference. - if you are wearing a blindfold and try to touch one of your shoulders for example, you will do so 100 percent of the time. Same thing for hitting your palm with an elbow- only this time the opponent's limb is in the way.
Once the arm bar goes on, I suggest applying the Muso Dori technique from Budo Taijutsu. The entry you show is great and I also learned to apply the rodoando throw from your videos! Good work 👍
best thing to do against boxer is give a mid waist or below kick. They don't train for those. Anytime you try fighting a boxer in the same general area where the punches are being thrown, you better be damn fast and sure.
Inner knuckle strike to bicep works great. It will paralyze the arm. Setting up other follow up techniques. Thanks for the videos I always learn cool stuff from them.
@@kennethkotelo893 I think it could, as long as you smash that bundle of nerves at the top of the bicep. The way I practice this gunting, we monkey knuckle (like knocking on a door)
Great video! One of my favs! I practice Muay Thai (more like Dutch Kickboxing) and spar with boxers on a regular basis. Like learning how to take the hands/arms out of commission. Keeping a boxer at bay with leg kicks, taking out their lower legs and using clinch/locks for knees/elbow in the pocket is generally common sense. But how to deal with their hands was a challenge until now. Keep up the great work!!
I boxed a little both semi-professional (Club) and amateur , and I currently teach judo, grappling and MMA...EXCELLENT theoretical explanation of the practicality of Kali 👍
That is some good strategies. Your training partner needs to actually go for the target of a real jab. Aka your face and perhaps also stepping forward to force you to actually deliever on your defenses in a much more honest way for both of you. You can do this slow at first and use protective gear when nearing realistic speeds. It's deceptively easy to think everything is going flawless if your partner is subconciously not going to hit his targets when you make a mistake. In this video he is at a safe range when doing the jab and you are not forced to move away from the line of the punch. Also he hit towards your chest instead of your face at a safe range bc he stands still. Try these drills where he steps forward and actually will hit your face if you dont fail to defend the jab and also make him try to hide his jab to challenge your awareness and realistic timing when defending. Again use protective gear to awoid damage.
They should be wearing some grappling gloves (similar to what they use in UFC) and a least a mouthguard/headgear. This way they can hit faster and harder. If the punch is weak/slow then so will the actual usefulness of the technique. That being said, thank you for putting the knowledge on here (respect). You can learn something from every martial art. (OSS).
I've heard this from my instructor Tim Tackett and Larry Tatum for Kenpo and JKD that kajukenbo and Jeet Kune Do both had a major emphasis of boxing and Filipino martial arts I can see the inner woven abilities from watching this myself I truly believe it now that I see it
The best way to deal with the boxing structure is to go TRAIN boxing, learn it, both offenses and defenses, then spar, that way the structure is understood, then one can have a better chance at using martial arts to disrupt the boxing structure. Boxers will snap combinations at flash speed not to mention footwork, feints,head movement etc. Making any kind of destruction virtually impossible. I am very happy to see that you are offering a bit more detail than most vids who address using FMA against boxers because a lot of vids teach unrealistic beating up statue techniques when that will never work in reality.
I've used elements of Panantukan both boxing and Thai boxing, at full speed, like anything you have to practice a lot to get the timing to work, and I'm not talking about using a long lock flow entry or anything, just taps/parries and responses. So it has utility in that sense. Mix taps/parries with some head movement and you can avoid taking hard shots while not having to move the head past the shoulder line, which is a bit of a liability in Muay Thai...don't wanna eat any knees thanks!
That is a great explanation. But some may still be closed mined. All the information is good. Now each needs to learn how to make it part of them. Their natural movement. It is all about having options and applying them when other things/techniques are not working. I wish I had a Kali/silat/escrima/arnis school near me. Such a huge city and no real schools to train.
I still see some of the "boxers won't leave their arms out there" comments . THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR ARMS OUT! When your fist hits an elbow or your bicep gets hit. You lose a lot of your snap in those punches. I suspect a lot of these comments are from armchair warriors ( In spite of what I'm sure they will say to the contrary). Great video!
The problem is once again, how well can one time the elbow to block a punch? Or find an opening to hit a boxers bicep with timing and precision? I truly do love and enjoy these techniques but the problem is that these techniques rely more on luck for success honestly.
I agree to an extent. But, the better you train the more likely you can pull it off. I also teach CPR and First Aid, Advanced Life Support, etc. these things can't bring "guarantees" of success either. They do, with a lot of training and practice, however give you a much better chance of success. And in a real self defense situation isn't that what we train for? Using. evidence based information (success in practice in other's experience).
@@scotthays3101 Agreed 100%. In fact KaliCenter said the same thing, you can't perform and time these defensive techniques without practise. Just like practising a jab or submission, you need to perfect the technique to execute it in real life situations.
No it's from people that know a boxers stance is with his hands glued to their face... Otherwise in the ring you will have the shit kicked out of you... I can tell you that from experience .... You are the armchair warrior in this situation and it's very obvious from his brother's stance his brother has never boxed , and neither has this guy from his assumptions on the way it looks
@@brucecharlie8613 I agree that the opponent in this video is not likely a "real" boxer. He's just throwing punches for demonstration purposes. That dosen't render the information invalid. I have (in my younger days) had some experience with boxing. However, my more depth is in the Kyokushin and it's derivative arts for decades ( and yes with face contact) and Kali and Kuntao currently also. More importantly my experience has also been in defending against drunks and drug addled "street fighters" ( so called) in EMS and an armchair warrior I'm not.
Good vid, i think it's necessary to learn box, the fundamentals at least, to understand and be able to counter with any martial arts. Get hit by a punch is the most common agression.
I am soo glad that my old sifu invited real trained boxers to test us... So were beaten up painfully in the beginning...if it does not work if you get a fast, timed, hard hit.. it s BS
I have practiced the padatunken, I don't know if that's the correct spelling, but I have had some confusion as to how you allow a person to throw a punch and guide it into the elbow. I've been training with a guy on sticks for the past month or two and that concept of letting someone threw a punch and Perry with an elbow is something that I'm still working on, but I believe it will be affected if I can get it down. Cant wait to get this concept down so I can use it in case I'm attacked one day
Using the shield in and out is something I saw in Keysi Fighting and muay-boran techs... good enough but I would just add judo/bjj leg sweeps, footwork is the core of boxing.
I trained Arnis, JKD, and some Thai boxing for about 4 years in the early 2000’s. I use to get these destructions during actual sparing. My entire would be a hit to inside of the bicep, take center line then under hook or boxing combo, or go to the outside with a stiff arm to the cross elbow, and follow up with a cross, hook, clench to knee combo. Now I’m just obsessed with BJJ.
I box. If someone slapped my bicep in a fight I would laugh so hard. I do eskrima as well, but live training with a boxer is very different. Lots of respect for your videos, but there are many eskrima techniques that would work better. The advantage of eskrima is it's brutality.
@@MrYsosad yeah if he was using a knife, that definitely would be the end of the fight. I think here he was demonstrating empty hand techniques, but boxing a kali practitioner who has a stick or a knife is a horrible idea.
i appreciate the fact that these two guys addresses the elephant in the room. Kali Empty hand against a boxer its very hard to apply , almost impossible. Work for sure the Tampi (aka parry), Guntin are effettive only on overcommitted straight punch. It's very hard to use this tools against a real boxer that's the story.
I love you channel and FMA the important thing is that the opponent will never leave their arm extended when you strike them it is not how fast the opponents strike extends it is how quickly it will contract, also the opponent will be striking me in the same beat of combative time that I am striking him, unless I trap or clinch. Your original post was full of great techniques that will work, the techniques were not demonstrated in true time, perhaps for demonstration purposes. He that parries will find no joy in fencing (boxing). You guys have the right tools keep up the good work. 😊
ashima asahi there are different version of guntings (closed, open, impact, vertical, etc.) also depending on the system. Sometimes a gunting is referring to an intercepting strike.
Although I consider myself an Aikijitsu student I have done many arts Boxing and Kali among them. As an MMA fighter (now retired) I used Kali against many boxing style opponents and had very good success against them. I retired with a Middle Weight Title Belt and FMA was a big part of that. Everyone believes what they believe but all martial art views are subjective. I just happen to have lived a fight career that Kali was a big part of my success in the ring, cage, mat and street.
I have trained with seasoned boxers to improve my martial arts techniques.A lot of boxers most precious asset is their hands.Unfortunatly todays boxers dont do the rigorous conditioning of their hands like martial artist or boxers of old.What i found out with training with boxers they become very hesitant when you do any kind of limb destruction technique to their hands.They become hesitant if even for a split second and that is all the time you need to end a street encounter.
I don't understand the distances here ...you're so far away I'm struggling to see how this works to get an elbow on the end of a fist that is supposed to be buried in your face they would be like half an arm ish away from you Nd you are an arm and a half? Can you explain please?
Your right this technique works from a long way off and boxers are normally alot closer ... You would have to backup and pivot or go in for a clinch for it to work
It's called controlling the range. Boxer's don't stand still and Kali practitioner's rely on footwork and structure as well. Google the Pan-oy era (?) it was the introduction of Filipino Kali practitioners too western boxing.
@@scottfolke748 thanks...but you could.drive a bus between these two..!.if you can show me a bit of someone doing this at full speed with a proper striker then fairplay but it looks like a lot to do if the guy is at the proper range rather than standing in the next room like this guy...they are standing so far apart that even at full extension white t shirt guy doesn't need to do anything at all
I really like FMA but when it comes to 1v1 a boxer, i would rather snap his leg with a leg lock rather than trying to stand up hand fighting with him. No legs, no moving, no punching
I do boxing then i also go to kali class. When we do knife sparring in kali. My boxing exp. With a knife in my hand really gives me an advantage to my opponent. Especially angle and distance in my opponent.
Great he is teaching Kali training methods. As with the knife best to play with a real boxer snapping punches then, work off of that because no boxer will leave their punches out to be caught.
Also can you demo this in the proper range, your feeder/training partner realistically isn't in range to strike you even if you didn't take a defensive action. The slight variation in distance also throws or critical components such as timing.
Better to test this technique in sparring. I do box for a long time and i added fil. dirty boxing. For Boxing with a mix of fma is very deadly in a street fghts.
At 06:50, I don't think that the shield you put up against your head will protect you from a real hook moving in like a freight train (my 120kg trainer hit me at 40% on my "shielded" head to prove the point and my head wobbled for 5 days). I think that's part of the problem people have when you demonstrate certain techniques. And in your demonstration you focus a lot on the movements of your hands. You need to show your footwork and how you align your body behind your shield so that it can absorb the brute force of an incoming.
Theres multiple types of jabs, snap jab, stiff jab, feint jab, combo jab, entry jab, fade away jab. Trying to predict a jab is dangerous business and yeah, they are usually trying to set you up for something bigger.
there is time to react to cross for example after the block with elbow on jab(even if the jab is fake) you have time to go for panadukan with your right hand(that hand you used for elbow) on his cross hit, you just need training(not only fma training but kick box it's rly good too because you learn how to use hits for make yourself faster)
Jab is not a 'fake'. It can be as almost any other punch/kick. One usually parries or doges jabs (as anything else for that matter), blocking is anyway the last resort.
Addendum to my previous post. With regards to looking for real world examples of use of this stuff. Check out Pekiti Tirsia Tactical. Many Law enforcement and military organizations use this training. As for MMA, I respect it, but don't rely on it for my spontaneous self defense. Kali was never ment for MMA.
Scott Hays the PTTK is Kali filtered towards application in military or law enforcement environments. Many Kali systems have the same information, just less filtered. Application is subjective
@@mcanastacio Correct. My point is to the commenters that think that because you take time to demonstrate the small details that the real world application is not there. Kali has a LONG history (as you know)of real world. MMA videos are also broken down and demonstrated slowly and might appear unrealistic. I still say great technique!
I have trained in both boxing and in Modern Arnis. I thought boxing was more superior for empty-hand, but after learning even the basics of Arnis I realized that I could use those techniques with boxing and could pick apart my opponents easier using a combination of both. And by combining both I usually confuse my opponents as my boxing is more an unorthodox to them.
Can you do tutorial?
Nice, you should try applying weapon in your kali training, so that you can fight both empty and with weapon
You must be fighting gays
The moment you slip (boxing technique) you can follow up with an impact attack or whatever close guard kali based attack and it literally bamboozle my opponent
lol how is boxing superior than arnis, it only counters and doesn't have parries. you may hit your opponent but it will typically take several punches before it can really hurt. boxing is a sport. arnis can easily maim the opponent. it is used by military forces around the world
I am a filipino and i learned kali in the remote province of mindanao... our guro always taught us to learn the movements of a boxer because he said this is the most effective fist striking method so he trained us with the kali and a boxing.....because base on his fighting experience with the boxer from Saranggani he studied and learned boxing and mixed it with the ESCRIMA/KALI. .. He admits that it is really imposible to catch or counter a boxers punch unless you are a boxer.... but putting it together with the deadly Kali it is way effective than a traditional kali
I train boxing aside from Kali, for me when I spar other boxers I incorporated a lot of trapping hands on boxers and gunting type drills
any vids?
Its KALI STYLE HEHE
Yes but it's not how it's taught generally. A lot of muay thai fighters use it and Lomanchenco is a good example as well.
interesting. I was wondering what it would be like to be cross trained in FMA and boxing.
ivantoxie there’s a branch in kali called panuntukan. Panuntukan means boxing. So you can cross train kali with boxing
If a boxer jabs with their left or right hand, parry it towards their inside while moving to the outside of that jab. That jab will cross their centerline holding back that loaded punch a bit, which throws off the 1,2 punch timing. A simple technique you can use against a 1,2 punch.
I am just starting to train myself in fma. I'm a filipino American who was lost from his people and knows nothing. Thanks for the lessons man.
Just saw this. I'm 71. 52 years in SD and pro boxer. They both can help each other. But to say one vs. the other is to me a disrespect. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, just as well you or anyone els
. just learn as much as we all can and enjoy a simple life. Thank you for your time and keep teaching.
Only way I see this stuff working is if you keep practicing it in sparring, learning when you can and can't do it. You know, get a feel for it first.
Best answer yet.
Pressure testing everything anyone learns will see what works and what doesn't....sparring is one of the best things to test
That goes with any style of fighting.
It's only effective if the user makes it effective.
Exactly...if you're not sparring and testing it out to see what works and when it works...with a real boxer you're fooling yourself
You absolutely right fam. Because in a real fight. This might not work.
For Panantukan the elbow shield is usually more of a static raise and brace rather than an upward strike that way even if you mess up you can kind of roll it into a shield
Yes this is how i do it
The ones with negative comments, are the ones who need to learn the most, martial arts is a giant tree made of many branches. Each branch bares its own fruits, why only understand one when you can benefit from many? If you took the time to understand another art maybe it could teach you more about yours......🤔
On point bro, I've been to a lot of fist fight before when younger butI took disciplined approach in Marine Corps Mix Martial Arts in later years. One style is not less or better than the other,but any combination of application will over come either one. PEACE
That's why people do MMA.
Amen to that
Couldn't agree more.to bad there is only 24 hours in a day.👍👊
I feel like you should have brought in an actual boxer
I totally agree. I love FMA but they need to get actual boxers in these videos or it’s just a drill like doing a kata in karate .
... They're also costing me comparing fighters. Traditional marital artists never step in the ring and must have never been tested... In a real life situation... Against an experienced boxer especially. Boxers are full contact fighters. Used to being hit. By someone trying to KO you
@@AGC828 "Traditional martial artists never stop in the ring" is just wrong lol. Go watch a karate or tkd guy get kicked in the face. I'd call Muay Thai a traditional martial art, you gonna say that's not full contact?
@@AGC828 There's a difference between bare body strikes unhindered, from gloved punches in a sport designed to minimize actual damage.
manlalaban1 one thing everyone is forgetting is that karate used to be used only for the purpose to kill. But of course they softened karate and don’t train people like that anymore but the lethal moves like nukite and other moves would put any fighter down. No one can take a spear hand to the throat or even a throat chop either.
Train pure boxing first then incorporate panantukans elbows and knees etc... Alot of panantukan guys dont have a proper grasp on boxing mechanics... And try neutralizing with your long range weapons.
why not cripple his knees and legs first then move in after you injure his base? muay thai can exploit a boxers bladed stance because of the accessibility of the lead leg..a couple of shin kicks to the knee nullifies anyones punching power. .. Sikaran/pananjakan/yaw yan/panantukan all employ the indo/malay/khmer type round kick to the knees and thighs...as for the vertical elbow to knuckle destruction it requires the most practice to even be able to be utilized with a 30% chance of success...i think a under gunt to the funny bone nerve or outer gunt to the tricep/elbow would enjoy a little better success rate in a real encounter depending on how fast the jab or strike is retracted...in the case of a pro boxer you would do better to concentrate on attacking his legs.. Even the best boxer can succumb to leg kicks... in that exhibition match between Antonio anoki the Japanese professional wrestler and Muhammad Ali anoki attacked ali's legs.. now mind you if Antonio inoki was an experienced Muay Thai Fighter he could have really seriously damaged Muhammad Ali's legs and he actually did send ali to the hospital because those kicks although weakly executed gave Ali blood clots... it was a good strategy for anoki because he sure would have got knocked out if he tried to match Ali with his hands.
You my brotha know what your talking about.
true, in fact, im going to go down the westernboxing/filipino martial arts roots once i find a good boxing gym in town. also, i think that muay thai has a PLETHORA of close range techniques with shielding, elbows etc. you could easily make it a street ready, close range style - it already has all the tools
theres some good videos where kali pracitioners actually show you what they could pull or against a boxer in a sparring match. and its not much at all...
Boxers need to get in punching range to punch. I used to do some light friendly sparring with guys who boxed in the military: I would anticipate their step in with the right which is always followed by that right jab or right cross. At the moment of the step I would flick out my left foot and lightly rap their right kneecap. Leg length= longer than their arm reach past the knee. I'd say 'Had this been full speed on the street I would've broken your kneecap'. Not personal, just tactical only takes some practice. What happens after that depends on my attacker, maybe that's not the only thing I break. Box me, please. If you want to limp away I'll probably let you go, do the smart thing. I'm a little slower these days so I will use my heel, just coming straight up from the floor.
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Excellent video!! Outstanding demonstration!!! Thank you.. Love from New York City...
My old teachers here in NYC Henry and Mark taught us this very same methodology and approach and it is really effective!!!
This was humbly, articulately, and excellently taught. Thank you.
Good video. Ignore the ignorant. The elbow method does work even against a jab [I have done so on more than one occasion]; so does baiting and movement and/or ducking your head, letting them hit your forehead. Most boxers do not have hardened, conditioned fists and without hand-wraps and gloves are likely to break their only weapon: their hand.
First: WE KNOW WHERE THE JAB IS GOING TO GO: the chin. When we realize this it takes VERY little to deflect. Look at the forward leg, bait. Feel with your hands, but lead with your feet. When the jab comes, push forward like a blade [the forearm will deflect], but step just to the outside of the opponent's forward knee. Wing Chun uses a Tan Sao which is quite effective against a straight punch or attack, especially if you slide forward toward your opponent. I believe your blade-arm technique if slightly angled can accomplish a similar effect. If you travel hard to their center mass, even if they draw back, you will gain outside entry, jam their shoulder and be able to finish in a number of ways. Boxing is not "magic". The body falls if the base is taken.
Your comment was refreshing and insightful.
Train well.
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I have fought multiple opponents in real life situations; life and death. You don't know sh!t. Every martial art has valid techniques. Fighters always have an edge. Most martial artists are not fighters. And most fighters are not martial artists. A jab isn't magic. There are ways to deal with jabs and other techniques. Just as there are counters for ANY technique. I don't underestimate boxing; I love boxing and have trained it. But I tire of ignorant f*ckheads such as yourself thinking the only worthy art is "boxing". Why the f*ck are you even here, then?
By hardened conditioned fists you mean broken cartalidge ... Also don't recon breaking your hand is the best attitude towards self defence
You are honestly a huge inspiration on my Arnis training you and the videos you make really are inspirational.. any chance you could make a video on the basics of the Arnis/Kali stance and how to properly stand when performing these moves and how to position hands and feet. You are awesome bro 😄
Zayuh appreciate the love!! Let me tell you right now id love to make a video for you. But the answer is so simple I can fit it in here.. don’t worry about any stances, position, etc. That’s icing on the cake. Focus on your weapon control, distance management and timing. That should be your concern for the time being.
I’ll probably do a video giving the different types of “positions you can be in” but they are in no way mandatory to your technique! Keep it up!!
I absolutely love your channel and videos. Did you learn kali from Dan Inosonto or one of his students?? You explain FMA very well! 😁
Jay Pierre wow what a nice compliment! Though Dan Inosanto plays a huge influence on me, I have never personally trained under him or his students. I have always strived to be able to teach fma at a high level with clarity, so I appreciate your comment a lot!
I know how to box fairly well & if I saw someone doing these moves I’ll change my whole approach. Thanks for the tips!
Keep up the good work.this is the best kali instructions I've seen😊
I do a different martial art called Tang Lang which I feel has a similar mindset as Kali, so we face some of the same issues. We haves strikes in our style and submission/joint locks. We're also more aggressive and dont do the one-two temp of boxing. I need to look more into fma because i think there is a lot i can add together from both styles.
Actually one thing I like is the dirty boxing and hand destruction as defense you show in the video because its something my art doesn't have as much. We're all offense, trapping and peppering our opponents with continuous strikes but not much in how to hurt someone attacking us. Our offense is our defense where your defense is offense and if I could just combine those two aspects now. If my opponent second guesses themselves striking me because I'm hurting them every time they throw a strike at me then it makes my offense that much easier.
螳螂拳？Praying mantis style
I started boxing at 17 I have practiced FMA for 15 years, I have no trouble using my Arnis against boxers (Lastra Arnis) train against the boxers guard, not his extension, follow the jab back in and trap and use dumog. Attack the limbs and lower body. Arnis is a bladed art, boxing’s origin is in fencing. Your distance, timing and foot work will win the fight. Great post thanks.
From what I was told by my first FMA instructor, modern boxing has deep influence from FMA and is fundamentally different than 19th Century boxing that was done in Europe and the US.
@@armynurseboy bare knuckle boxing is the type you should use for street/combatives things change when there are no gloves. I have had several private students that were highly competitive amateur and semi pro boxers, they all came to me because they all had their heads handed to them in the street. With no gloves your weapons change, your targets change, and your defense has to change. A good FMA system takes all these things into account.
And FMA fencing comes from Spaniards
@@vanealvarez132 while it is true that much of FMA is influenced by European fencing, it is slighting FMA as an art to say that classical western fencing is all it is, I word recommend Mark Wiley’s excellent work “Filipino Martial Culture” to you. After all boxing is only a sport, not a martial art.
@@ziggydog5091 thank you 👍
I box and do Modern Arnis or presas arnis and I have used one count traps to counter other boxers in sparring. instead of doing one two. I just time the jab or the cross and do a parry with a punch. there is always a way to use the technique, you just have to modify it for combat or street combative's.
I completely agree. Here we just call them counters which in corporate footwork, parries, and guntangs or counter punches/eye pokes or groin slaps lol.
I said a good boxer buddy
@@stiggy0532 Go look up Zab Judah 52 blocks, or pretty much any counter fighter then. you will see they use the same concept with traps/counters. lomachenko does the same thing when he counters. He pulls the person guard then attacks. Its all the same concepts used in FMA.
Yes , I know exactly what you are saying .
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Mark, thanks for he video! I see a lot of what I do here in it! It reinforces the FMA and that's awesome.
I'm a American Kenpo Sifu. I would use leg techniques to take out and damage his legs. I'm not going to compete in boxing with him, no way,always use the opposite.
Do t have to use the opposite just something he's not used to like for example knees and elbows
@@brucecharlie8613 just stay out of his favorite range. Either kick or grapple...
Bob McDowell which guy the boxer or the Kali guy? As a Panantukan Guy, and Wing Chun Guy I definitely agree it’s stupid to engage in a shot for shot. My starting art was Tokagi Yoshin Ryu and that was the motto my sensei (quite literally) pounded into my head. Been doing Kali for about four years now
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„Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.“
Mike Tyson
Good stuff. I took a Kali / escrima class and was taught the same. The difference was the haymaker defense, in addition to blocking it the free elbow was used to strike the chest at the same time Then follow up with other strikes.
„Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.“
Mike Tyson
Hey I love watching your videos you very slow into explaining each movement and the name of it and its purpose. That really helps me because I'm more of a Hands-On guy. Thanks for taking the time damn shame that you're not in Charleston LOL
If you fight a boxer, i mean real fight.... use weapon, fight dirty. That's arnis is supposed to be, you fight to survive the situation not to have a bragging rights
I love fma empty hands, but can guntings work in a street fight?
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@@hihe530 You are corny
@@voltrondefenderoftheuniver8658 Weeboom?
Kudos for covering this topic! Most Martial Artists run away from this topic. As a former boxer and a Martial Artist all I can say is, it's the fighter not the style! When fighting a boxer circle away from his flurries and watch out for his power hand. Not every boxer is a Mike Tyson or a Mayweather, just as not all martial art practitioners are a Bruce Lee. Use what God gave you and always stay calm and go TRAIN! :-)
Solid teaching Makes the movement and strikes make sense Thumbs up
Those elbow hits are similar to 52 handblocks (catch bullet, crossed bones), although 52 is a lot more tight/defensive minded/multiple opponent oriented than Kali as commonly demonstrated. Boxer's handspeed is what kills, and ability to slip and roll. You need to draw a specific strike or open an area to reduce their choices if that is possible. Agree with many of the other comments to fade and attack the leg if possible. Also stop hits to the front of the bicep work better than crossing hits to the inside of the bicep - treated like short stem knife stab/prison shank attack.
If they are any good you will have tough time using these techniques or any that involve trapping. Grab clothing and turn them. Any inside block or movement you need to already be guards up for their second punch already incoming and maybe uppercut.
Neuman2010 52 is the perfect combination to counter boxers and martial artist. People just sleep on it cause it was developed in the hood. But it is extremely effective!!!!
Nah, 52 goes back before any of the SE Asian styles were common in the US. Parallel evolution.
The more I look at dirty boxing the more I realise I need to just stick to boxing. FMA is for weapons, there's a reason boxing/muay thai/wrestling stood the test of time. You don't need guntings if you can move your feet and hit hard. Much respect to this instructor for expressing the art though.
ya honestly, im only really interested in the dirty boxing. i would like to learn their knife technique for fun because its close range fighting still
in FMA the weapons translate to hand to hand combat. FMA has stood the test of time as well, it was used against Spanish conquistadors. Well Arnis (or Eskrima or Kali) specifically was used against them and even Magellan
@@adandyguyinspace5783 from what I understand so far the weapons art is clearly practical I have no doubt or gripe against the history as the historical part is sheerely astonishing! Could I ask if you could put some footage up of some live sparring using panotukan? I still so far only ever see the use of western boxing in a live context, if that dosen't sound arrogant of me
@@tarkovRatter If you TH-cam Panantukan you should find what you wanna see
Excellent stuff I'm personally FMA-4-LIFE.
My only one input is for maximum effect so all can have stopping power a Dulo - Dulo or fist loaded tool is needed.
Great work, and demonstration brother 🙏🏽
The elbow thing is kind of interesting, but I personally think it would be really hard to pull off assuming they are aiming for your head, keeping time, and following up. Every time I have sparred with boxers as someone who likes MMA with a lot of boxing myself, I feel like the hits retract a bit fast, fly a bit fast, and hit a bit high to effectively bring the fist into my elbow. However, I do like your answer to hooks and your advice to keep distance and kick. However, I would like to warn people that boxers are going to be familiar with a shield and advance approach to a hook. Lots of boxers learn to block hooks the same way, and they deal with slip approaches all of the time. So, they may be a bit quicker to adapt than you may expect at first.
I don't know about your martial art. I ended up here on accident while looking up stuff for karambits. If you would like me to add a bit here as someone who spars with boxers all of the time, my best advice would be to use your legs and grapple as much as possible. They train with fists, and they spar with fists. They are going to tunnel on your fists unless they have some mma experience, and your kicks are going to catch them off guard. Anyone with any grappling experience would do well to get the grapple fast because most boxers don't have experience with grappling either.
I've studied a couple SE Asian arts in the past and can tell you that the elbow destruction can work based on the principle they refer to as touch reference. - if you are wearing a blindfold and try to touch one of your shoulders for example, you will do so 100 percent of the time. Same thing for hitting your palm with an elbow- only this time the opponent's limb is in the way.
Once the arm bar goes on, I suggest applying the Muso Dori technique from Budo Taijutsu. The entry you show is great and I also learned to apply the rodoando throw from your videos! Good work 👍
„Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.“
Mike Tyson
Yes! Love that dirty boxing! It makes me feel as if I now have some tools to use in event of a confrontation. Thank You.
best thing to do against boxer is give a mid waist or below kick. They don't train for those. Anytime you try fighting a boxer in the same general area where the punches are being thrown, you better be damn fast and sure.
you will be outclassed hand and footwork wise
Inner knuckle strike to bicep works great. It will paralyze the arm. Setting up other follow up techniques. Thanks for the videos I always learn cool stuff from them.
Do hammerfists to the biceps work?
@@kennethkotelo893 I think it could, as long as you smash that bundle of nerves at the top of the bicep. The way I practice this gunting, we monkey knuckle (like knocking on a door)
It's a great video. Same techniques like I learned in Panatukin here in Manila.
These are great techniques, thank you for the video!
I know that first parry from Muay Thai, and am pretty new in FMA - hopefully I will learn something.
Good point. I constantly go over this mentally, because empty hands are most common attacks. Drills aren't actual conflict.
Start slow, train them, add resistance, and then train them live with protection
GOOD WORK SIR. BUT WHAT TYPE OF HOOK PUNCH WAS THAT?
Great video! One of my favs! I practice Muay Thai (more like Dutch Kickboxing) and spar with boxers on a regular basis. Like learning how to take the hands/arms out of commission. Keeping a boxer at bay with leg kicks, taking out their lower legs and using clinch/locks for knees/elbow in the pocket is generally common sense. But how to deal with their hands was a challenge until now. Keep up the great work!!
I boxed a little both semi-professional (Club) and amateur , and I currently teach judo, grappling and MMA...EXCELLENT theoretical explanation of the practicality of Kali 👍
Hi could you do some solo drills due to Covid 19 lockdown can only train solo thanks. More empty hands please Praful U.K. England Leicester
Very well explained sir thank you.
That is some good strategies. Your training partner needs to actually go for the target of a real jab. Aka your face and perhaps also stepping forward to force you to actually deliever on your defenses in a much more honest way for both of you. You can do this slow at first and use protective gear when nearing realistic speeds. It's deceptively easy to think everything is going flawless if your partner is subconciously not going to hit his targets when you make a mistake. In this video he is at a safe range when doing the jab and you are not forced to move away from the line of the punch. Also he hit towards your chest instead of your face at a safe range bc he stands still. Try these drills where he steps forward and actually will hit your face if you dont fail to defend the jab and also make him try to hide his jab to challenge your awareness and realistic timing when defending. Again use protective gear to awoid damage.
They should be wearing some grappling gloves (similar to what they use in UFC) and a least a mouthguard/headgear. This way they can hit faster and harder. If the punch is weak/slow then so will the actual usefulness of the technique. That being said, thank you for putting the knowledge on here (respect). You can learn something from every martial art. (OSS).
So what happens when they use different combinations like a hook or upper cut
Then use a bolo
I've heard this from my instructor Tim Tackett and Larry Tatum for Kenpo and JKD that kajukenbo and Jeet Kune Do both had a major emphasis of boxing and Filipino martial arts I can see the inner woven abilities from watching this myself I truly believe it now that I see it
Go and train with inosanto or remy presas. It might work well. I mean it will really work.
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The best way to deal with the boxing structure is to go TRAIN boxing, learn it, both offenses and defenses, then spar, that way the structure is understood, then one can have a better chance at using martial arts to disrupt the boxing structure.
Boxers will snap combinations at flash speed not to mention footwork, feints,head movement etc.
Making any kind of destruction virtually impossible.
I am very happy to see that you are offering a bit more detail than most vids who address using FMA against boxers because a lot of vids teach unrealistic beating up statue techniques when that will never work in reality.
I've used elements of Panantukan both boxing and Thai boxing, at full speed, like anything you have to practice a lot to get the timing to work, and I'm not talking about using a long lock flow entry or anything, just taps/parries and responses. So it has utility in that sense. Mix taps/parries with some head movement and you can avoid taking hard shots while not having to move the head past the shoulder line, which is a bit of a liability in Muay Thai...don't wanna eat any knees thanks!
It's all in the reflexes.... BTILC but seriously it's all in the training and timing.
That is a great explanation. But some may still be closed mined. All the information is good. Now each needs to learn how to make it part of them. Their natural movement. It is all about having options and applying them when other things/techniques are not working. I wish I had a Kali/silat/escrima/arnis school near me. Such a huge city and no real schools to train.
Great presentation, thanks
are there boxers here who also train in escrima? can you guys tell me if you have applied the techiques from panantukan in sparring do they work?
Punches are like Yos yos and a boxer uses his foot work to continously step back, forward, and around you
I still see some of the "boxers won't leave their arms out there" comments . THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR ARMS OUT! When your fist hits an elbow or your bicep gets hit. You lose a lot of your snap in those punches. I suspect a lot of these comments are from armchair warriors ( In spite of what I'm sure they will say to the contrary). Great video!
The problem is once again, how well can one time the elbow to block a punch? Or find an opening to hit a boxers bicep with timing and precision? I truly do love and enjoy these techniques but the problem is that these techniques rely more on luck for success honestly.
I agree to an extent. But, the better you train the more likely you can pull it off. I also teach CPR and First Aid, Advanced Life Support, etc. these things can't bring "guarantees" of success either. They do, with a lot of training and practice, however give you a much better chance of success. And in a real self defense situation isn't that what we train for? Using. evidence based information (success in practice in other's experience).
@@scotthays3101 Agreed 100%. In fact KaliCenter said the same thing, you can't perform and time these defensive techniques without practise. Just like practising a jab or submission, you need to perfect the technique to execute it in real life situations.
No it's from people that know a boxers stance is with his hands glued to their face... Otherwise in the ring you will have the shit kicked out of you... I can tell you that from experience .... You are the armchair warrior in this situation and it's very obvious from his brother's stance his brother has never boxed , and neither has this guy from his assumptions on the way it looks
@@brucecharlie8613 I agree that the opponent in this video is not likely a "real" boxer. He's just throwing punches for demonstration purposes. That dosen't render the information invalid. I have (in my younger days) had some experience with boxing. However, my more depth is in the Kyokushin and it's derivative arts for decades ( and yes with face contact) and Kali and Kuntao currently also. More importantly my experience has also been in defending against drunks and drug addled "street fighters" ( so called) in EMS and an armchair warrior I'm not.
What happened to Guru Sam?
boxing is good.. i don't know if its work on real fight, cuz opponent didn't stand still in one place.. i used silat and boxing in street fight
Kali and silat can be very good in a street fight
But which silat style did u learn is it bukti negara,bakti negara(not bukti negara),panglipur,maphilindo,cimande,sera or baringin sakti
pencak silat
Se ve útil pero se puede demostrar en un sparring ?
Good vid, i think it's necessary to learn box, the fundamentals at least, to understand and be able to counter with any martial arts. Get hit by a punch is the most common agression.
I am soo glad that my old sifu invited real trained boxers to test us...
So were beaten up painfully in the beginning...if it does not work if you get a fast, timed, hard hit.. it s BS
thats a cool idea!
I have practiced the padatunken, I don't know if that's the correct spelling, but I have had some confusion as to how you allow a person to throw a punch and guide it into the elbow. I've been training with a guy on sticks for the past month or two and that concept of letting someone threw a punch and Perry with an elbow is something that I'm still working on, but I believe it will be affected if I can get it down. Cant wait to get this concept down so I can use it in case I'm attacked one day
Using the shield in and out is something I saw in Keysi Fighting and muay-boran techs... good enough but I would just add judo/bjj leg sweeps, footwork is the core of boxing.
I trained Arnis, JKD, and some Thai boxing for about 4 years in the early 2000’s. I use to get these destructions during actual sparing. My entire would be a hit to inside of the bicep, take center line then under hook or boxing combo, or go to the outside with a stiff arm to the cross elbow, and follow up with a cross, hook, clench to knee combo. Now I’m just obsessed with BJJ.
I box. If someone slapped my bicep in a fight I would laugh so hard. I do eskrima as well, but live training with a boxer is very different. Lots of respect for your videos, but there are many eskrima techniques that would work better. The advantage of eskrima is it's brutality.
@Kaen Awoken Agreed..study the great Archie Moore and you will see how a boxer uses the elbow effectively against a boxer
of course in real fights he would slap your bicep with a knife. Cant laugh off a severed bicep
@@MrYsosad yeah if he was using a knife, that definitely would be the end of the fight. I think here he was demonstrating empty hand techniques, but boxing a kali practitioner who has a stick or a knife is a horrible idea.
i appreciate the fact that these two guys addresses the elephant in the room.
Kali Empty hand against a boxer its very hard to apply , almost impossible.
Work for sure the Tampi (aka parry), Guntin are effettive only on overcommitted straight punch.
It's very hard to use this tools against a real boxer that's the story.
Usually people train the cross to be a punch that knocks out. And how to set that up. Don't forget the sparring and see what works out for you.
New sub po, i'm so proud watching young generation practice kali.
Panantucan?
Any cebu based martial arts school?
I love you channel and FMA the important thing is that the opponent will never leave their arm extended when you strike them it is not how fast the opponents strike extends it is how quickly it will contract, also the opponent will be striking me in the same beat of combative time that I am striking him, unless I trap or clinch. Your original post was full of great techniques that will work, the techniques were not demonstrated in true time, perhaps for demonstration purposes. He that parries will find no joy in fencing (boxing). You guys have the right tools keep up the good work. 😊
something i never figured out was why when you hit the inner arm it's called "gunting" which i know for a fact means scissors in tagalog just why?
ashima asahi there are different version of guntings (closed, open, impact, vertical, etc.) also depending on the system. Sometimes a gunting is referring to an intercepting strike.
@@mcanastacio no i am from the Philippines and it's most closest translation is scissor don't know why people in cebu named it
Although I consider myself an Aikijitsu student I have done many arts Boxing and Kali among them. As an MMA fighter (now retired) I used Kali against many boxing style opponents and had very good success against them. I retired with a Middle Weight Title Belt and FMA was a big part of that. Everyone believes what they believe but all martial art views are subjective. I just happen to have lived a fight career that Kali was a big part of my success in the ring, cage, mat and street.
I have trained with seasoned boxers to improve my martial arts techniques.A lot of boxers most precious asset is their hands.Unfortunatly todays boxers dont do the rigorous conditioning of their hands like martial artist or boxers of old.What i found out with training with boxers they become very hesitant when you do any kind of limb destruction technique to their hands.They become hesitant if even for a split second and that is all the time you need to end a street encounter.
You have inspired me to practice alone in my house. I do not have the means to get trained professionally
Elbow strike , intercepting fist. Like catching a fly with chopsticks. I liked this video overall.
Thank you for the lesson Guru 🙏💯❤️
I really like these techniques
I don't understand the distances here ...you're so far away I'm struggling to see how this works to get an elbow on the end of a fist that is supposed to be buried in your face they would be like half an arm ish away from you Nd you are an arm and a half?
Can you explain please?
Your right this technique works from a long way off and boxers are normally alot closer ... You would have to backup and pivot or go in for a clinch for it to work
Also it's very clear his brother doesn't box by his stance
It's called controlling the range. Boxer's don't stand still and Kali practitioner's rely on footwork and structure as well. Google the Pan-oy era (?) it was the introduction of Filipino Kali practitioners too western boxing.
@@scottfolke748 thanks...but you could.drive a bus between these two..!.if you can show me a bit of someone doing this at full speed with a proper striker then fairplay but it looks like a lot to do if the guy is at the proper range rather than standing in the next room like this guy...they are standing so far apart that even at full extension white t shirt guy doesn't need to do anything at all
@@brucecharlie8613 seems like a bit of faff unless you can share a video of it working that while catching with the elbow thing looks ropey at best
Check out Akoy Magwawagi revived by Teddy Corpuz from the movie Kamagong. Kamagong was an old movie about fma.
I really like FMA but when it comes to 1v1 a boxer, i would rather snap his leg with a leg lock rather than trying to stand up hand fighting with him. No legs, no moving, no punching
And he just stands still and lets you do that
Your student had a great reaction.
I do boxing then i also go to kali class. When we do knife sparring in kali. My boxing exp. With a knife in my hand really gives me an advantage to my opponent. Especially angle and distance in my opponent.
Well done, guys. Lapu Lapu would be proud!
Great he is teaching Kali training methods. As with the knife best to play with a real boxer snapping punches then, work off of that because no boxer will leave their punches out to be caught.
Also can you demo this in the proper range, your feeder/training partner realistically isn't in range to strike you even if you didn't take a defensive action. The slight variation in distance also throws or critical components such as timing.
Better to test this technique in sparring. I do box for a long time and i added fil. dirty boxing. For Boxing with a mix of fma is very deadly in a street fghts.
Love This. 😎🙏🏼💙
So Many Applications Once You Understand The Concept Broadly.
„Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.“
Mike Tyson
At 06:50, I don't think that the shield you put up against your head will protect you from a real hook moving in like a freight train (my 120kg trainer hit me at 40% on my "shielded" head to prove the point and my head wobbled for 5 days). I think that's part of the problem people have when you demonstrate certain techniques. And in your demonstration you focus a lot on the movements of your hands. You need to show your footwork and how you align your body behind your shield so that it can absorb the brute force of an incoming.
he is telegraphing elbows .... or is it too much??
Nice technic
look where you're at from the standpoint of that inside wedge parry at 6:53/10:00 just straight blast him.
Boxer jab is a fake to open you up. You block a jab you are in trouble.
Exactly
Yeah, but a parry is not intended to block a jab (or any punch). It's to help evade, redirect, or even used as a point of contact for entry.
Theres multiple types of jabs, snap jab, stiff jab, feint jab, combo jab, entry jab, fade away jab. Trying to predict a jab is dangerous business and yeah, they are usually trying to set you up for something bigger.
there is time to react to cross for example after the block with elbow on jab(even if the jab is fake) you have time to go for panadukan with your right hand(that hand you used for elbow) on his cross hit, you just need training(not only fma training but kick box it's rly good too because you learn how to use hits for make yourself faster)
Jab is not a 'fake'. It can be as almost any other punch/kick. One usually parries or doges jabs (as anything else for that matter), blocking is anyway the last resort.
Very similar to 52 blocks in defending. Does anyone else see it?
Addendum to my previous post. With regards to looking for real world examples of use of this stuff. Check out Pekiti Tirsia Tactical. Many Law enforcement and military organizations use this training. As for MMA, I respect it, but don't rely on it for my spontaneous self defense. Kali was never ment for MMA.
Scott Hays the PTTK is Kali filtered towards application in military or law enforcement environments. Many Kali systems have the same information, just less filtered. Application is subjective
@@mcanastacio Correct. My point is to the commenters that think that because you take time to demonstrate the small details that the real world application is not there. Kali has a LONG history (as you know)of real world. MMA videos are also broken down and demonstrated slowly and might appear unrealistic. I still say great technique!