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- Some thoughts about my small oven/range, which I love using! Plus the one big problem with it for me, and something to be aware of with all propane appliances.
The model I have:
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The model I would prefer for lower power use:
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If you are new to my channel and Fy Nyth in general, welcome! I'm Ariel. I live off grid (as in no physical connection to public utilities) in a tiny house on wheels in the mountains of western Wyoming. I've been living this lifestyle for the past three years now and love it! What will you find if you follow my channel and watch my videos?
Real life here. I try to show the good and the bad. The ups and the downs. What works, and what doesn't. The parts I love (most of it!), and the things that suck. Not just the showroom version of a tiny house, but everyday life in a tiny house. Not just the romantic idea of "homesteading" or off grid life, but the everyday details of this lifestyle. I split my own wood for heat, carry my water by hand, and attempt to grow as much of my own food as I can between the weather and wildlife here. I hope to help others learn from my mistakes and make life just a little easier for anyone else interested in pursuing a similar lifestyle.
I live in a somewhat harsh and cold climate, but enjoy the stunning sceanery and wildlife that I am surrounded by on a daily basis. You'll also see videos of of the nature and wildlife around my home. If you are interested in my photography or purchasing a photo, I'd love if you follow that over at Facebook.com/ArielCelestePhotography or ArielCelestePhotography.zenfolio.com!
For a bit of my background, as a child, I was fortunate enough to be able to spend much of my free time exploring and playing in the woods. Little has changed now that I'm older I suppose. I moved to a place with a bigger woods and still enjoy spending my time outside gardening, hiking, exploring, and photographing the natural world around me. As the eldest of seven children who grew up in a homeschooling family, I had the opportunity, not always appreciated at the time, to learn to do quite a bit of work. I've enjoyed a wide range of jobs, everything from greenhouses and flower arranging to wilderness therapy with teens, to milking cows. Mostly, I enjoy doing the kinds of things that I think provide a real service or value to others. Some of my other hobbies include backpacking, hosting people, cooking, preserving food, anything to do with nutrition, reading, journalling, and sitting around a fire and talking to my close friends.
Check out a few of the videos below to catch up on what goes on here!
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How I bought my tiny house and all the details on price and financing - • Life in a Tiny House c...
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I did not know that. I thought all you needed was propane too. You sharing your experiences is really helpful to a lot of people.
Yeah it was something I was totally unaware of when I moved in here, I thought I could avoid even using electricity for a while. I had oil lamps, candles, propane heating, propane hot water, and cooking. And then I learned that none of them would turn on without power which was really frustrating. Well obviously lamps and candles would, but none of the appliances would.
Fy Nyth this is also true for natural gas ranges. I have not been able to buy one for years without electric ignition and thermostat. Where I live the electricity is prone to being interrupted a good bit. Love your home and your informative videos. Living tiny is a dream at this point, but maybe someday if I get to the point where I am living alone again. Thank you for sharing pieces of your life with us.
EVERY VIDEO YOU MAKE IS INTERESTING AND YOU ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING...THANKS.
Good for sharing high points and low point plenty to think about.
We also learned the hard way when we bought our camper trailer.
So glad you were able to get the model you wanted.
Blessings! 😊
Yeah it's not widely known how much electricity is require by many propane appliances.
Hi Ariel, you said the top burners don't use electricity, but in fact they are ignited by a piezo electric spark (that's what you hear clicking). The old fashioned propane appliances had little pilot lights - about the size of a candle flame - that stayed on all the time. The old pilot light burners are the ones that don't use electricity. Just thought I'd point that out. Love what you're doing!
Right, but they can function with no power (just light them by hand) whereas the oven can not. I am super happy with my new unit though! th-cam.com/video/a8VJ4MLnfVQ/w-d-xo.html
Tx for the tip about the igniter. Rich
Thank you for sharing.
I did not know that it used that much power. That’s very good to know. Thank you AND great informative video. Have a great day 😊👍🏼
Great perspective on some variants of propane stoves, Ariel. Real life shows the perks and flaws in modern conveniences (such as our currents iterations of stoves)---and your 3 years with this model certainly gives credence to your views. Very informative video! Thanks.
This was incredibly interesting and useful information. I would've definitely fallen into that trap. I didn't realize the use of electricity.
Thanks for the power requirement info
Good review of your stove. Great to know it's a great product and give the caveats of what may work and or doesn't work for your situation.
A Fine Kitchen allround with al the Comfort you need.this house is big, for a tiny house.I Like your Video's they are Educution as wel.Blessings from Holland
My dream is to have a off grid tiny house similar to yours! I am so glad that I discovered your channel, you are such an inspiration!!
Welcome! Thanks for joining the channel!
That "glow bar" you are referring to is actually called a Glow Ignitor. It needs ac voltage to glow. It's there for safety reasons. Many years ago, people used to start their ovens with a match light system. Basically turn on the oven and drop a lit match down a tube to light the burner. Not very safe. Then they went to a thermocouple pilot safety system ( like on some gas water heaters). There would be standing pilot and thermocouple and if the pilot goes out for any reason, the main gas cannot turn on. Which works fairly well even today. The reason a glow ignitor is being used is so you are not wasting the small amount of gas in a standing pilot situation.
Exactly. That's why I explained that almost all propane ovens are now built with the glow bar/ignitor.
It's actually called a " hot surface ignitor"
That is so interesting, I never would have guessed that a propane oven would need electricity to start it but it does make sense. Tfs. Diana
Hi Ariel, Thanks for sharing your valuable experiences. I am anticipating tiny house living and have learned a lot from you! Your location is lovely and your home sweet and cozy. So thanks for sharing all!
Best wishes on your own tiny house plans!
Great info.
I bought an All American solar oven about a year ago and have been using it exclusively to cook my larger meat items and beans especially in the summer to avoid heating up the house.
Next goal is bread making this winter.
Works good even in cold weather.
Only drawback, you need clear sky's so scheduling is important.
I've looked very seriously at them and love the idea. But I do get very short days for much of the year along with nonstop thick snow for weeks or months at a time. So I just don't know if it would be worth the investment for my particular situation. I may still get one at some point down the road though....
Fy Nyth I know what you mean. Sometimes I have to cook meat for several hours, then bring it in and refrigerate till the next sunny day.
Stunning as usual! The traps we can stumble into. This is just the sort of thing that kicks my tail once in a while. At least it didn't knock out your inverter circuit breaker.
Yeah it was something I was totally unaware of when I moved in here, I thought I could avoid even using electricity for a while. I had oil lamps, candles, propane heating and cooking. And then I learned that none of them would turn on without power which was really frustrating.
Great and useful info! Thanks!
Thanks again Ariel! Handy advice! Good to know for me, who's planning on outfitting my future THOW!
Good to know!
Wow, Ariel ... that 'is' a significant amount of power ... especially considering it's the same stove, just a different igniter.
Wonderful to share this type of info. :-)
Great Information about your stove, and thank you for adding which appliance to buy for a full Propane stove. All your videos are extremely informative, and I have been following you for the past year. If I was younger I would have loved to do what you are doing, I am already changing few things after watching your videos. Keep doing it Ariel!
That comes in handy!
Great info! I've often wondered how much electric a gas range pulls. Now I'm curious what sort comes in a camper that's set up for off grid use. I remember a friend a few years back was looking for a gas wall oven for her (conventional) home that didn't need electric in case the grid was down. There seem to be at least a few outages each winter in the mountain area she lives in. Luckily, she was able to find one.
I love the information and I love it when you wear the long skirts, it proves that you are a country gal. keep them coming I love watching your videos. And wish I was there in the beautiful mountains. I love your pictures of the wildlife. I have been to your site with the pictures, the 🦉 is my favorite.
Thank you!
You are the best!!!
This is so appreciated. I’m looking for a propane stove for our mixed grid home. All the propane ovens with battery ignitions have such bad reviews. I wish the reviews were much better. I’ll have to just make a decision in a few months.
What are you finding to be the biggest complaint about them?
For the Premier it seems to be complaints about the quality (battery ignition not working, oven door not sealed, temperature not accurate, paint chipping, conversion instructions not matching stove). The ones I’ve read on the Unique elite were worse- they wouldn’t work at all and reported terrible customer service. In general I find 3/5 stars with the battery vs 4/5 stars with the electric starts. I wish there were more off grid options to chose from. Thanks for the response!
Well I'm keeping my fingers crossed that my new one from Brown Stove Works/Summit will be better! I know I was very happy with my last one of theirs other than the power use.
Good info! Thanks-
I like it .. Seems items like that are perfect for my needs but when i get up and cooking , i find that some changes could be made to make it better suited from the start.. I learn from that.. But it looks like yours is laid out well , you are not cooking for a large group or family so your needs are different... Great video
I love your videos, watch as soon as a new one comes out. Wondering, would the company allow a good trade in for your stove to do an upgrade to the model you want? Also.. I would really love to see how you do laundry, the method you use, how often and all the little "tricks of the trade" and short cuts that you use. You have such good information about all your topics, would really be interested in a laundry video; looked through your videos and cannot seem to find one. Thank you and keep the videos coming. Really excited to see all the new ones relating to your new property & the move. thank you again.
Thanks! I contacted them several years ago about that and they said no, not once it had been used.
But my whole compatibility issue with this stove and my power system has been resolved. Another one of you amazing folks who follow my channel is semi local to my area and he's buying my current stove which is funding the purchase of the model I now know I'd prefer to have from the same company. The new stove is in the mail and he's on his way to pick this one up, which is wonderful!
A laundry video is on my to do list. :)
Ariel I do believe that that clicking sound you hear is the spark for the ignition of the burner which actually happens only because you have it plugged into electricity otherwise you have to use matches to light the burner I'm not absolutely positive I don't know what kind of stove you got but I'm pretty sure that is how it works. If you're not sure you can always unplug it and try your stove I know it's plugged in because of the timer have a great day
Absolutely right. But the burners can also be light with a lighter or match. The oven however can not.
That is an amazing fact about the oven's electrical power consumption, 500 watts is indeed considerable.
No disrespect but a couple corrections. One is yes your top burners use electric. That is
what makes the clicking to light the burners. The clicking is an electrical
spark from an electrical igniter.
The second thing is no they did not go to electric igniter for safety. They went to
it to save gas and to keep the heat down from all the pilots. You have two
options to get away from the kind of range you have.
One is a battery operated igniter range. They are a little more inconvenient but they do
work. Or you can go to a pilot light range but if you use the pilot lights they
will use more propane and heat your tiny house in the summer.
That last part may not be a problem where you are. You can leave the pilots unlit and light
the top burners with a match, however the oven requires the pilot to light it
due to safety switch at the pilot which will not allow gas to flow unless it is
a certain temperature.
So if you left the oven pilot off you would have to light it about 5 minutes prior to
using so it can get temperature up so it can turn on the gas to the
burner.
I know your space is limited, but I would suggest you keep that range and upgrade your
battery system to a couple more batteries. You have a generator which can
charge your batteries when there is limited sun. Wishing you the best. God
bless
great review
Ariel, have you heard of the Ninja electric cooking system? It's good for any kind of cooking, and it comes with a cake pan, as well as a wire rack and loaf pan. You can bake and roast, also steam cook and simmer low and slow, as with collard greens or kale or soups and stews. Hope it's a good alternative to your oven.
I have not actually, but that sounds like an interesting setup. I am trying to avoid using any kind of electricity in cooking however.
I understand about the electricity, but you can google to find out how much is used. Crock pots are the best for using less. It's all about the battery pack with the generator. Hopefully, someone will come up with a solution, like better generators with stronger batteries, but then there is the problem of more pollution from those.
Yeah, I'm just wanting for my personal situation to use propane, not electricity.
We have a propane stove and what I have issues with is making beans without a pressure cooker... it takes hours of propane. I recommend bringing a pressure cooker with you if you ever live in Cambodia.😂 The locals use charcoal in a small clay rocket stove. Have you ever used one of those?
I'm familar with the idea, but no, I never used one. Cooking beans can be a problem here to due to the elevation. Water boils around 197 degrees F. at my house instead of 212 at sea level.
Very educational vid. Less electricity used, the better. Thanks much.
That oven igniter uses _500W_ all the time the oven is connected to an electricity supply then, or just when the oven is lit ? That's just a crazy waste of power, even on-grid. I bet that has caught out a lot of off-grid users besides you Ariel !
No, just all the time the oven is running. Which can be multiple hours at a time. But not when the oven is not turned on.
Ariel I surprised there is not a back up spark ignite the you could use to upgrade the stove? Much like a mechanical one you find on a gas grill for outdoors.
I have looked. It seems not. According to both the company and an independent electrician. I suspect if you had enough knowledge and wanted to do it on your own, it may still be possible, but that is well past my knowledge level...
But my whole compatibility issue with this stove and my power system has been resolved. Another one of you amazing folks who follow my channel is semi local to my area and he's buying my current stove which is funding the purchase of the model I now know I'd prefer to have from the same company. The new stove is in the mail and he's on his way to pick this one up, which is wonderful! :)
Ariel, have you noticed black mold in your home with the compact space ?
I have not. But back when I first moved in and was heating with only propane, the condensation was creating the start of some grey/blue/white molds around the window frames. Adding the dry heat of a wood stove, bleaching the window frames, and then letting borax soak into the wood seemed to stop that completely. I've had no issue for years now.
Great video/information as usual, Arial. Is your fridge propane powered too, as I don't know enough about propane appliances, but I remember about four years ago at a resort camp near here where three American fishermen who rented a cottage at this resort who were asphyxiated in their sleep because of a leaky propane fridge. I hear nothing but positive things about propane appliances, but I'm still leery about them, maybe with a carbon monoxide detector all would be okay, that's just me rambling on, but thanks for all the info.
The fridge is electric actually. That's probably the next appliance I'll do a review for, but I am very happy with it. In the mean time, you can find more details on it here. amzn.to/2kryrDR
Yes leaking propane is a very serious issue. I do have both carbon monoxide and propane detectors. And with such a small house, I assure you, there's no way you could miss that thing going off!
Thank you for the information, I didn't realise that. If you got the other stove would that have a light in the oven?
No, I forgot to mention that with no power connection you would loose the light in the oven. I personally don't use mine anyway, so for me that's no big deal.
Many, many, many years ago when the Pharaoh's ruled Egypt and pilot lights weren't invented yet (okay, I'm not quite that old), our gas oven had a small pipe that ran from the burner up to a small hole at the bottom front of the oven. You held a match over the hole and turned on the gas. When enough gas came up through that pipe, it lit the gas and WHOOSH! you knew it was lit. The thermostat didn't turn off the gas completely, it just turned it down to a very low flame until more heat was needed. I think most gas ovens work that way except the one you have now. Your new oven might work that way, too. Unless they have a way to automatically cause the spark to relight the oven. In their move to delete pilot lights (gas savings), they've moved the cost from the savings on gas consumption to the consumption of electricity. How much of a savings that is, I really don't know.
Yes that's the kind of setup I grew up with. It seems to now be illegal to sell in the states, as even US companies that make stoves with pilot lights will only sell them to Canada.
I think you need an outdoor canning canning set up. Wood burning.
Hi Ariel - When you move to your new land, do you plan to stay in the movable Tiny House or build a cabin? Reason I ask is, in a cabin, you could consider a rocket mass range and heat. Just an idea, if you haven't already considered it.
The tiny house for a while anyway. Possibly down the road, building something attached to the land.
Hi Ariel. Just had a question and as I am new to your channel, what are your thoughts on propane verses a wood burning Stove? You may have covered this in a different post... I am looking at going tiny sometime next year and would love your opinion. I am learning so much from you in a short period of time.
Welcome! Thanks for joining. Are you referring to wood versus propane for cooking or heating? For cooking, I find propane generally efficient and more easily controlled. Though if I had a slightly larger house, I would love to have a wood cook stove. For heating, especially in a small space, I love wood. Propane tends to create problems with condensation in a small space when used for heating, especially in a very cold climate.
Fy Nyth Thank You! You have answered my question and the next one!
My glow bar only glows until lit and and trips a thermal switch and turns it off. And the reason the manufacturers went to electric is it eliminates the chance of pilot lights going out and causing explosions.
Right, but it continues to come on and off while the oven is on as it manages the temperature. Or at least that's the way mine works. And yes, that's why I explained that the glow bars are used to be more full proof. Having a spark ignition is safe enough for me though, being better than a pilot light and still using way less power than the glow bar.
Hey Ariel, the other day, I was watching a video about another THOW, and the girl who had it built for her, ended up using a marine wood-burning stove, that was mounted on the wall, used for heating though, not cooking. I wonder if you've ever seen such a thing?
I have. They tend to me very similar to my little wood stove, though often a bit smaller yet.
I am sure you have looked at Lehmans who supply Amish with all sorts of non electricity appliances and hardware. Some could be tiny house appropriate.
Yup! I've been familiar with Lehman's my whole life. :) Just knowing how things work in the world of Plain People, I'm probably distantly related to the owners. They do run a wonderful business.
Interesting. I would consider a battery bank and inverter expansion but I know you have limited space.
Yeah, too much space needed. And it would actually cost me a lot more than just replacing the stove and buying a handful of AA batteries....
Well. power usage appliances are rated in per hour use, so your oven's glow plug would use 500 watts per hour of your oven being on. So if it's on for only 15 minutes then it should only consume about 125 watts, which in your case, is still a lot. I'd perfer to have a standing pilot light, even though that would consume around 15 pounds of propane a month? Just guessing here.Plus, when your on inverter power, you'll be consuming more because the inverter uses around 20 watts per hour to make the power from your batteries. I have a 1500 watt Cotek sinewave inverter that only uses 1.5 watts while in sleep mode, per hour, so say at night while I'm sleeping and only my fridge is running, then It only powers up to run the fridge, then it goes back to sleep. My inverter was 500 dollars in 2006 and it's still only around 500 dollars. 1-30-2018
Yup. Though that glow bar is on for more than half the time the oven is running. And lot's of things bake for 1-10 hours, so that's a ton of power. So far, I am super happy with the battery spark ignition on my new stove. No using power from my battery bank and no burning extra propane.
Maybe you can disable the electric starter and just use a stick lighter?
Have you looked into whether the glow bar can be safely bypassed?
I have. It seems not. According to both the company and an independent electrician. I suspect if you had enough knowledge and wanted to do it on your own, it may still be possible, but that is well past my knowledge level...
But my whole compatibility issue with this stove and my power system has been resolved. Another one of you amazing folks who follow my channel is semi local to my area and he's buying my current stove which is funding the purchase of the model I now know I'd prefer to have from the same company. The new stove is in the mail and he's on his way to pick this one up, which is wonderful! :)
That is a brilliant development for you. Looking forward to a video on it.
500 watts a day? that would be my total daily use (max). also, when you worked out.... what was your daily routine in winter to make sure you could start the mini-van?
I just put the highest cranking amp battery I could find in the van. And it starts every time. Even when it's -30F.
wow. that's pretty impressive. ALWAYS started? i figured the battery. maybe 0w-20 oil? a block heater plugged into your inverter with a timer?
So far, always. When it's -30ish F, it does start to hesitate for a second, so if it did get much colder, I might have a problem. ;) 10/30 oil. I don't have a block heater.
Didn't know that about stove. So do you only bake when it's sunny?
I just don't use the oven as much as I would otherwise. And have to run my generator more when I do use it.
We had a stove like that when we lived in a tiny house in Brazil. Haha kidding. Our house was huge with three maids.
Perhaps you could just unplug your stove and light the oven and burners manually with a extended reach butane lighter.
That is possible for the burners on top. Unfortunately for the oven, it's built with all kinds of safety features that do not allow the oven to operate at all unless the glow bar is on.
That's a pity. :(. I like to bake (bread mostly) so having a functional oven would be a high priority for me if I ever downsize to a cozy tiny house like yours. I'm in the process of making soft pretzels today and I'm waking my sourdough starter to use soon too. :)
Sounds yummy! And yeah, that's why I wanted to get this info out there so others looking as small space ovens and small power systems could know from the start what I had to learn the hard way.
Does the 500W glow bar run all the time when the oven is on, or just come on when the gas needs to ignite when the temp drops too low?
For the first 15 minuets or so and then off and on as the oven maintains temp. But that still adds up the the power use of a small microwave for about half the total time the oven is on. So if I bake meatloaves for an hour, or roast a turkey for 8 hours, that's the same power use as 1/2-5 hours of continuously running a microwave.
But my whole compatibility issue with this stove and my power system has been resolved. Another one of you amazing folks who follow my channel is semi local to my area and he's buying my current stove which is funding the purchase of the model I now know I'd prefer to have from the same company. The new stove is in the mail and he's on his way to pick this one up, which is wonderful! :)
What company makes this oven? I wonder if they make electric?
That's crazy to have an igniter that stays on. Someone else wrote that theirs clicks off after ignition. Could you stove have a problem and should click off?...........OR is that the actual design. Email the company and complain, you never know what results you could get.
I've talked to them several times over the years I've had the stove. This is the way it is designed to work. It does shut off for brief periods when the oven is at temp, but turns on and off repeatedly as it maintains that temp. Ending up being on for about half of the total time the oven is running, which can be quite a few hours!
And, thanks to my awesome crew of followers here, I actually got a buyer for my current stove who picked it up yesterday, and a new stove with the battery spark ignition being shipped to me right now. I'm excited! And it's working out to be an even trade, so costing me nothing extra. :)
Congratulations on the sale and new stove.
When you can a lot where do you store it?
My pantry and the extra goes into that little cupboard in the loft above the couch.
For a detailed kitchen (my kitchen is a big part of my house!) tour - th-cam.com/video/v6qiNrIfCjw/w-d-xo.html
Years ago my wife and I had a full size GE gas stove that you lit a standing pilot when using the oven. I can not find one today which is kind of strange as they still make gas hot water heaters with standing pilots.
But I did find this: www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/conventional-burner-gas-range-piezo-lite-22-/84507
I don't know if this would work for you or not.
I don't know all the reasoning for sure, I assume mostly safety related, but it appears that gas stoves with a pilot light are no longer legal for sale in the US. Even US companies that make them only sell or ship them to Canada from what I can find.
But my whole compatibility issue with this stove and my power system has been resolved. Another one of you amazing folks who follow my channel is semi local to my area and he's buying my current stove which is funding the purchase of the model I now know I'd prefer to have from the same company. The new stove is in the mail and he's on his way to pick this one up, which is wonderful!
Oh battery sorry. 😉
would you consider something like this www.sanalpazar.com/simkor-pratik-soba-ustu-boru-firin/i-78724303 it is supposed to be placed on top of the wood stove. as smoke goes up it heats the oven and you get perfect off grid oven. my mother in law has one and I have to admit her corn bread baked in this oven is the best.
That looks really interesting! But it is designed for a larger stove and pipe/chimney than I have.
maybe you could find some blacksmith in your region who could make similar one but with smaller chimney pipe. be safe there in the mountains 🌷
If you have not found buyer for the stove yet. I am interested. Let me know. You have my email as I had asked about your vent.
I'm emailing you.