I'm an avid Eastenders watcher, they have 4 episodes a week, and they record 3 months in advance, though some scenes for current events get filmed the day before and added in.
100% agree with Pyrion. Working or doing things for personal and societal betterment instead of mere survival is vastly superior. It's a paradigm shift some can hardly imagine but we WILL be able to adjust to it as humans.
Related to the Universal Basic Income is Georgism - the idea that you should tax the value of the natural world instead of business profits or wages. Where land, labour and capital are factors of production, the idea of Georgism is to shift the tax onto owners of land; the land has already been produced and unless they're Dutch it almost certainly wasn't created by the landowner. Another way of thinking of it is as a rent paid to each citizen of a nation representing their common right to their homeland (instead paid out as a sort of dividend which can then work as a basic income)
In response to Pflax question "what is the threat"? The threat is that you want to use your AI. Otherwise it's just an expensive box. To use it you need to let it do stuff or you need to follow it's advice. You are then relying on it good advice or doing the things you want. This is something we still haven't managed to do even with the simplest of AIs. They all have alignment problems where they misinterpret or fail to have the goals we want them to have. Every single case is this. We are only scratching the surface of "How do I make a really smart system do the correct things?" question. And when we get it wrong the results are "hilarious" for now. But as soon as they involved dangers, like self-driving cars, the results will no longer be hilarious. The danger is never "they are evil and try to take over the world". The danger is mostly "it constructed a wrong goal when we decided it should optimize turbine efficiency. It sometimes completely ignored two safety concerns because those weren't implemented in the testing environment that the AI based it's logic on and then the turbines exploded and the valley was flooded". These scenarios are the real dangers. Slight misalignment that are hard to spot and have disastrous consequences.
I love the image of pflax and sips, the 2 most perfect examples of homeowners who would fight tooth and nail to reject any new housing being built nearby - as suddenly interested in the costs of living of the youth
Could you elaborate? I've listened to all the podcasts, but often on in the background. When have they been against new housing? Is this something I missed or something I wouldn't understand due to not being from the UK (I know Flax lives for London, for instance, and I know that nothing new being built in London is necessarily uncontroversial).
The implication that we will be able to set up AI/robots for everything and it would all work smoothly all the time is hillarious! Anyone who has ever had to deal with a printer knows that they NEVER work as they should, news flash that is true for any other piece of machinery. They break down all the time.
Always worried that the lads will become tories as they age but good to see they still have their socialist roots! UBI is a great idea that we need to talk about
Interest on student loans is insane. Half my GFs annual income went to student loan interest. Half her monthly income is a student loan payment and thats the only debt she has. I have loans, ccs, and a mortgage and i dont pay that much in interest payments in total over all my debts. I can discharge my loans in bankruptcy but she cant with her student loan. Her loan interest is more than my student loan interest. I only got a AAS and she has a masters but still. With a masters the highest pay she can find is $17/hr.
@@sulaymanhaq5630 nice. It’s almost people without fully developed brains should be able to take loans out that are as much as a mortgage that are not dischargable. Also its not that you have to take money out to go to college which for decades you were told you had to do if you wanted a good paying job. Employers in America have seen nothing but record profits qtr after qtr for decades and have hardly raised wages for at least 4 decades when adjusting for inflation. National minimum wage should be over $20. Which means every job that isnt currently minimum wage and under $20 should be making more than they currently make. We have to fight like the french or we will be slaves before we know it. Class solidarity matter. The elite capitalist have class consciousness and spend billions to create and spread propaganda to keep us divided so we dont join to tell them to stop exploiting us. Btw her degree avg national wage is over $25/hr. Where we live not really positions for her degree unless we moved to a state capital or DC.
Wow, the first Chat AI was a bit weird. Clearly it was using “the triforce” as the basis for the conversation. However the second one was uncanny. A bit boring in places, but could fit into a triforce without knowing it was AI… I could be thrown off by the fact that you guys were reading it though. By the way, are we supposed to use AI to write the comments on this episode?
Any abrupt, drastic change in the economy is going to cause a lot of problems in the short term...which could be generations and have effects for many more, so I don't mean to downplay it. Any big transition would be ridiculously difficult to do well, even if it would be beneficial in the long term. If we could instantly make sure everyone had enough money to live comfortably, though, I have no doubt that lots of people would find plenty to keep them busy. Super rich people don't really have a use for more money, but they're still often obsessed with making more. And have you seen the Olympics, or Wikipedia, or speedrunners? Humans love to achieve things, when they have the ability to put the effort in. People who have been overworked might be "lazy" for a while, but I don't buy for a second that people need paid employment to be happy and fulfilled.
the first AI script was kind of scary. Man AI has definitely got the potential to be very dangerous. People developing technology always think their new thing is going to be great. they always ignore the potential danger and i dont want to be killed by skynet
@@Thatgingerdude15 Only criticism I have of it is that they mention their reasons for doing the trip every 5 minutes. We get it, that woman can't see properly and that parent/child team are distant from one another!
Here's the thing with universal basic income; where's the money coming from? If the government were to give everyone enough to live on without having to work then the vast majority of people aren't going to work. People not working don't pay taxes. So where would the government get the money to pay everyone? That's the part that people who support this nonsense can't ever answer, because it would essentially require a font of infinite wealth to work. And if such a thing existed it would devalue currency to the point of worthlessness, which would also bring the system to a grinding halt.
You're assuming the average person would just stop working if you gave them money which is extremely incorrect. I'm 22 and live with 3 elderly people ages 73-94, all of them want to work. I don't have to work and I still get bored not working. Taxes for lower class people is already insanely high, *I lose almost 1/3rd of my paycheck to taxes* (United States). So the obvious solution for that would be to raise taxes for the ultra-rich. *A tech billionaire (Vinod Khosla) literally bought a beach he never uses and closed it off to the public just because he could. That guy can pay WAAAAAY more in taxes and be just fine. There's your answer.*
It would require taxing the ultra-rich appropriately rather than passing Budget after Budget which prioritises their interests and that of big businesses over regular citizens. Or taking a fraction of the enormous budget spent on military funding, for example. The money is there - the political intent to defy the rich and powerful elites is not.
Taxing rich or ultra rich is not a simple problem most of the wealth they have is doing something and is invested somewhere once it pays dividends it gets reinvested. Multi billion companies are worth more alive than dead, if you tax them too much they just increase prices or lay off workers or just move country. In my opinion there should have been globalization tax like 20 years ago since millions of jobs are moved elsewhere.
The "nah, just told him to get to the back of the line like everyone else" was scarily perfect from the ai
Need fanart of Flax as Link, Sips as Ganondorf, and Lewis as Zelda
Flax in a Tingle suit.
Drawn fanart*
it would've been the ultimate troll if they just started the podcast with the AI conversation
Would have never expected to see you here Dacoobers!
Pyrion argued the pro's of AI and automation very well towards the end there, nice one
When Sips says "mini Cheddars"......has he ever tried cheez its ?
48:19 quite ironically explaining inflation without saying inflation
There were parts of the gpt thing that were scarily accurate
I'm an avid Eastenders watcher, they have 4 episodes a week, and they record 3 months in advance, though some scenes for current events get filmed the day before and added in.
I imagine the queens death was one of those exceptions where they had to shoot one pretty quickly.
@@RedSntDK They didn't show for the rest of the week, so had some time there. It's usually things like the World Cup results.
The image of Lewis asking "Do you want fries with that" tho 😂
I could be convinced this whole episode was AI generated tbh
100% agree with Pyrion. Working or doing things for personal and societal betterment instead of mere survival is vastly superior. It's a paradigm shift some can hardly imagine but we WILL be able to adjust to it as humans.
Related to the Universal Basic Income is Georgism - the idea that you should tax the value of the natural world instead of business profits or wages. Where land, labour and capital are factors of production, the idea of Georgism is to shift the tax onto owners of land; the land has already been produced and unless they're Dutch it almost certainly wasn't created by the landowner.
Another way of thinking of it is as a rent paid to each citizen of a nation representing their common right to their homeland (instead paid out as a sort of dividend which can then work as a basic income)
In response to Pflax question "what is the threat"?
The threat is that you want to use your AI. Otherwise it's just an expensive box.
To use it you need to let it do stuff or you need to follow it's advice.
You are then relying on it good advice or doing the things you want. This is something we still haven't managed to do even with the simplest of AIs. They all have alignment problems where they misinterpret or fail to have the goals we want them to have.
Every single case is this.
We are only scratching the surface of "How do I make a really smart system do the correct things?" question.
And when we get it wrong the results are "hilarious" for now. But as soon as they involved dangers, like self-driving cars, the results will no longer be hilarious.
The danger is never "they are evil and try to take over the world".
The danger is mostly "it constructed a wrong goal when we decided it should optimize turbine efficiency. It sometimes completely ignored two safety concerns because those weren't implemented in the testing environment that the AI based it's logic on and then the turbines exploded and the valley was flooded".
These scenarios are the real dangers. Slight misalignment that are hard to spot and have disastrous consequences.
Damn, it was hard to figure out where the ai ended and the triforce began... Only clue we had was flax doing silly accents!
I love the image of pflax and sips, the 2 most perfect examples of homeowners who would fight tooth and nail to reject any new housing being built nearby - as suddenly interested in the costs of living of the youth
Could you elaborate? I've listened to all the podcasts, but often on in the background. When have they been against new housing? Is this something I missed or something I wouldn't understand due to not being from the UK (I know Flax lives for London, for instance, and I know that nothing new being built in London is necessarily uncontroversial).
Pyrion if you see this just know ur my favorite
The ai read bit was so funny lmfao
ChatGPT will never replace the mental deficiencies of normal people :P
In a healthy world jobs becoming automated is only a good thing
Perfect for the workday
The implication that we will be able to set up AI/robots for everything and it would all work smoothly all the time is hillarious! Anyone who has ever had to deal with a printer knows that they NEVER work as they should, news flash that is true for any other piece of machinery. They break down all the time.
"No, this is not happening and we will protest"-French People 2023.
Pyrion has a way with accents
Me half listening
Pyrion: We lost Mousie yesterday
Me: WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!1 BACK UP
Tell you what is really fuggn weird. Just before Flax said Roger Doultry I said it too. Very, very strange.
Ok, normally Pyrion has the worst opinions - but holy shit he’s totally spot on with how he talks about having a universal income
Always worried that the lads will become tories as they age but good to see they still have their socialist roots! UBI is a great idea that we need to talk about
Thanks chaps.
It is weird to hear about the protests in France, it's crazy to see people in the streets in full force having a protest and its normal.
46:08 student loan interest is such a scam, 9% on some of my loans, just racking up all those 4 years
The newest versions of GPT are employing people or other entities to do stuff for it.
The US military has been testing AI controlled jets.
Student loan interest is 6.9% in the UK.
Interest on student loans is insane. Half my GFs annual income went to student loan interest. Half her monthly income is a student loan payment and thats the only debt she has. I have loans, ccs, and a mortgage and i dont pay that much in interest payments in total over all my debts. I can discharge my loans in bankruptcy but she cant with her student loan. Her loan interest is more than my student loan interest. I only got a AAS and she has a masters but still. With a masters the highest pay she can find is $17/hr.
Shouldn't have chosen a degree which only lets you earn $17 dollars an hr lol
@@sulaymanhaq5630 nice. It’s almost people without fully developed brains should be able to take loans out that are as much as a mortgage that are not dischargable. Also its not that you have to take money out to go to college which for decades you were told you had to do if you wanted a good paying job. Employers in America have seen nothing but record profits qtr after qtr for decades and have hardly raised wages for at least 4 decades when adjusting for inflation. National minimum wage should be over $20. Which means every job that isnt currently minimum wage and under $20 should be making more than they currently make. We have to fight like the french or we will be slaves before we know it. Class solidarity matter. The elite capitalist have class consciousness and spend billions to create and spread propaganda to keep us divided so we dont join to tell them to stop exploiting us.
Btw her degree avg national wage is over $25/hr. Where we live not really positions for her degree unless we moved to a state capital or DC.
Wooo only 4 weeks behind you guys now. I’m beating down on you like some kind of slow moving thing moving towards you.
Weird you pick steptoe and son, Wilfred Brambell (Albert) was absolutely a stage actor- and not primarily a tv actor
sips. why. why are you watching MAFS. WHY.
sincerely, an aussie.
Eastern Europeans and half or Asia frowning at the last ten minutes
Pyrion sounding very socialist right now ✊️ 😂😂
Wow, the first Chat AI was a bit weird. Clearly it was using “the triforce” as the basis for the conversation. However the second one was uncanny. A bit boring in places, but could fit into a triforce without knowing it was AI… I could be thrown off by the fact that you guys were reading it though.
By the way, are we supposed to use AI to write the comments on this episode?
Any abrupt, drastic change in the economy is going to cause a lot of problems in the short term...which could be generations and have effects for many more, so I don't mean to downplay it. Any big transition would be ridiculously difficult to do well, even if it would be beneficial in the long term.
If we could instantly make sure everyone had enough money to live comfortably, though, I have no doubt that lots of people would find plenty to keep them busy. Super rich people don't really have a use for more money, but they're still often obsessed with making more. And have you seen the Olympics, or Wikipedia, or speedrunners? Humans love to achieve things, when they have the ability to put the effort in. People who have been overworked might be "lazy" for a while, but I don't buy for a second that people need paid employment to be happy and fulfilled.
ai will finish shadow of iseraphel
the first AI script was kind of scary. Man AI has definitely got the potential to be very dangerous. People developing technology always think their new thing is going to be great. they always ignore the potential danger and i dont want to be killed by skynet
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TV is shite nowadays but Race Across The World on BBC One is actually really good.
Its so good,. The editing too is very good, I've got no idea whos winning
@@Thatgingerdude15 Only criticism I have of it is that they mention their reasons for doing the trip every 5 minutes. We get it, that woman can't see properly and that parent/child team are distant from one another!
BBC is shite
Well I only do things for money.
Eh, it was a good one
anticapitalist lewis 💞💓💗💖💘
69th 😏
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Here's the thing with universal basic income; where's the money coming from? If the government were to give everyone enough to live on without having to work then the vast majority of people aren't going to work. People not working don't pay taxes. So where would the government get the money to pay everyone? That's the part that people who support this nonsense can't ever answer, because it would essentially require a font of infinite wealth to work. And if such a thing existed it would devalue currency to the point of worthlessness, which would also bring the system to a grinding halt.
You're assuming the average person would just stop working if you gave them money which is extremely incorrect.
I'm 22 and live with 3 elderly people ages 73-94, all of them want to work. I don't have to work and I still get bored not working.
Taxes for lower class people is already insanely high, *I lose almost 1/3rd of my paycheck to taxes* (United States). So the obvious solution for that would be to raise taxes for the ultra-rich.
*A tech billionaire (Vinod Khosla) literally bought a beach he never uses and closed it off to the public just because he could. That guy can pay WAAAAAY more in taxes and be just fine. There's your answer.*
It would require taxing the ultra-rich appropriately rather than passing Budget after Budget which prioritises their interests and that of big businesses over regular citizens. Or taking a fraction of the enormous budget spent on military funding, for example. The money is there - the political intent to defy the rich and powerful elites is not.
Taxing rich or ultra rich is not a simple problem most of the wealth they have is doing something and is invested somewhere once it pays dividends it gets reinvested. Multi billion companies are worth more alive than dead, if you tax them too much they just increase prices or lay off workers or just move country. In my opinion there should have been globalization tax like 20 years ago since millions of jobs are moved elsewhere.
AI will be regulated and it'll be fine. It's not anywhere near as advanced as people seem to believe.