Mac or PC? - Computerphile
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2014
- Over Computerphile's first year, we asked each contributor the question: "Mac or PC?" as part of our sound-check. Here are the answers...
nb - we know that PC is defined as Personal Computer, and that to be pedantic, a Mac 'is' a PC, but in general, 'PC' is the way people refer to a machine running Linux or Windows.
Differences between Macs and PCs: • Just How do Macs and P...
How NOT to Store Passwords!: • How NOT to Store Passw...
Elegant Compression in Text (LZ): • Elegant Compression in...
Typesetters in the '80's: • Typesetters in the '80...
Little Mac with the Big Bite: • The Little Mac with th...
In Order of Appearance:
Dr Steven Bagley - University of Nottingham
John Chapman - Graphics Programmer
Professor Steve Benford - University of Nottingham
Spencer Owen - Nottingham Hackspace
Professor Derek McAuley - University of Nottingham
Paula Besson - Nottingham University Hacking Society
Matt Lloyd - Ciseco, Nottingham
Michael Erskine - Nottingham Hackspace
Dr. Taha Osman - Nottingham Trent University
James Hayward - Nottingham Hackspace
Professor Tom Rodden - University of Nottingham
Ian Livingstone - Life President of Eidos
Laurence Day - University of Nottingham
Tom Scott - @tomscott
Dr. Richard Mortier - University of Nottingham
Professor Luciano Floridi - Professor of Philosophy and Ethics of Information, Oxford Internet Institute
Alex Pinkney - University of Nottingham
Joe Nash - University of Nottingham
Professor David Brailsford - University of Nottingham
Professor David Brown - Nottingham Trent University
Dr. Thorsten Altenkirch - University of Nottingham
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somehow i could tell the guy at 0:26 was gonna say linux before he even spoke
+BattMarn we all did... we all did
And thats what we all love about Linux users xD
But ... but ... It's GNU/Linux! xD
Yea he didn't have many teeth 😁
The rabbit teeth were a clue.
Mac: Who
Windows: Whom
Linux: Whomst
T E M P L E O S : 𝕎 ℍ 𝕆 𝕄 𝕊 𝕋 ' 𝕍 𝔼
Should remake this since it’s been 6 years and things are different
How things would have drifted, in your opinion?
@@Sleeperknot Windows 11 is not as ugly and finally is starting to get some UI consistency.
@@Sleeperknot also the M1 made apple laptops very competitive in the performance deparment, which is something they had been lacking or a long time.
At the very beginning I was waiting for somebody to say Linux
jake O'Shaughnessy Same, lol.
Mac, overpriced hardware in a shiny box.
Do you want a comment war? Because thats how you get a comment war
Precisely
"mac or pc?" in and of itself is an ignorant question. i like the guy that said "windows"
Speedj2 description: "nb - we know that PC is defined as Personal Computer, and that to be pedantic, a Mac 'is' a PC, but in general, 'PC' is the way people refer to a machine running Linux or Windows."
KarstenOkk lol, thats why i liked the guy that said "windows" :P
Speedj2 Yeah. It's sad but it's become common practice to refer to non-mac computers as PCs.
***** its not a hack. apple provide you with supporting software in doing so lmao
Speedj2 I like the guy that said "linux" (He says as he types on a mac).
But yeah, it really depends on the operating system.
2:29 *Louiss Rossman Would Like To Know Your Location*
😂😂😂😂
nice
Why would you limit tremendously your application choices by choosing Mac or Linux?
I mean if you only do certain tasks they're fine, but I have used about 5000 different programs on Windows in number of years for thousands of different tasks.
Some of the obscure stuff just don't work with Macs or Linux, like BMW INPA, Progman emulators etc.
Windows is working for anything that exists in the world.
linux for work, windows for everything else, mac for a living room decoration
Agree but that's a quite expensive decoration
#PCMasterRace
+Xeverous - I find it ironic when the movement which insists packing i7 extremes along with 2+ way SLIs into anything and everything, complains about price points.
Pet My Bear I am not into packing every best possible technology into each PC. I'm just against using consoles. This is what I mean by PCMasterRace (although each one's intention can be ambiguous)
Windows for gaming, Linux for everything else.
Linux for programing, Windows for games and Mac for audio production
The last words at the end ... that old man ... pure wisdom. Unix is the best thing in computer history. An absolute masterpiece.
This, I recently switched back to a Mac because as nice as Windows is for most things, as a software dev I hate how janky it’s support for Unix commands is
Everyone talking about mac or pc (and mostly bashing mac) ...and here I am, just mesmerized by the extreamly british entonation of that old gentleman.
*Linux master race!*
But Linux is PC, too.
"Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it" - yes, and it's called Intel ME xD
+ Haddon
How's ReactOS development?
The idea is awesome but I'm seeing lots of negative reviews of it and seems it's not usable yet.
If only LINUX distributors can come to a common standard for package handling and directory structure.
"directory structure" not directory format.
I have first hand experience with Chromebooks, and they are truly awful.
TheEndTrend They're terrible. I'd rather the school invest the thousands of dollars into better quality computers than these cheap little netbooks. The concept is neat, but the execution is flawed.
...yes, but "better quality" machines come with more management/admin headaches that Chromebooks do not since they use a stripped down Linux OS. For a school SysAdmin they are a perfect solution (or as close to one as is currently available). Cheap, easy to deploy, centrally managed, no sensitive data cached on local storage. Admin'ing Windows laptops would be a nightmare in a school, plus overkill. Mac would be too expensive and have similar headaches. Chromebooks are quite limited, but fit the role of *grade-school student issued machine* quite well.
TheEndTrend I rather computer labs, which a lot of schools have, but seem to go unused...
+Popo Sandybanks I'd rather we just bring our own computers and have the school buy a few netbooks for the people that don't have any.
***** Well yes, but are you going to spend 200$ on a machine when all it does is that?
The Mac is a closed system. If you are looking for an appliance with little need for backward compatibility, then go for it. Apple is a h/w AND software monopoly. You get what they give you.
Windows is h/w interchange friendly (e.g. state of the art video cards, cpu, ram, drive capacity, etc.) all can be purpose built without having to buy a new system just to upgrade the video h/w.
Linux suffers from h/w support lag. I find it easier to run Linux (any flavor) in a VM so that it's h/w independent and can move it from machine to machine.
So I will stick to PCs as I can get the best of h/w support, gaming, and whatever Linux I want to run -- concurrently.
I've really never had any huge compatibility issues with Linux. Figuring out the pulseaudio+alsa clusterfuck is annoying as a beginner but other than that, I've run Linux as my primary OS for over a year in the past with no major issues. That's not to say that it's easy and everybody should do it, but setting up and adjusting to living with multiple distros did make me a better computer user in general, even now that I've switched back to using mainly Windows.
jordanzish
Analogy: You shouldn't have to invest that much energy becoming a mechanic just to drive a car.
Year, and Years of waiting for nVidia/ATI driver support on latest hardware, RAID controllers, etc. Windows would always have drivers for new h/w.
That's why I gave up and just use vmware so that I can seemlesly move linux VMs between laptops, desktops, and enterprise server farms.
+Diego Sandoval I would argue that a bleeding edge distro would be better for newer hardware. Newer drivers like the new AMDGPU driver are only available via bleeding edge distros with the latest kernel, whereas a distro like Linux Mint might not even run on an RX 480 without an upstream kernel.
+Legend Length Free software is "free" only if your time has no value.
The right question is, what do you want to do with it ??
Is a Ferrari 599 a bad car cause it has terrible off road performance ??
Is a Range Rover a bad car cause it corners lousy at 125 miles per hour on a race circuit ??
It's a tool to get things done and not the thing itself.
+RS
_"The right question is, what do you want to do with it ??"_
Not really. The right question is "Do you want to support a company that's as notorious for employing lock-in strategies in every single aspect of their business, as Apple?".
I wouldn't buy their stuff if there was any kind of alternative at all.
+Gnomefro Windows is the only non-embedded OS that does not support POSIX, (Portable Operating System Interface for uniX) How's that for lock-in?
Cygwin but hardly an argument for this discussing. Now shave off that beard and step into the 21 century
Cygwin is nice when you need it, but it's not a first-class citizen on windows by any means. It also outclasses both native attempts at POSIX on windows (The NT subsystem, and SFU). Their current attitude is if you need it run it on a VM in the cloud.
POSIX has seen updates in 2001, 2004 and 2008.
Apple, Microsoft, or the Linux Foundation. Which of these three were a defendant in an antitrust lawsuit again?
P.S. All the chicks dig my beard.
OK, Apple is a bad company, but Microsoft is too. Now, forgetting silly things like brand loyalty to the companies who make the products, I'll continue.
For me, I wouldn't use a mac for two main reasons:
1) low value for money. A computer is an expensive piece of equipment; when I'm buying one, I want my money to be going as far as it possibly can. If I buy a mac, there's no way that will be the case.
2) low compatibility. I want to be able to run anything I need to run and almost all software is made for windows; sure, some software is made to work on mac too, an even smaller amount only works on mac, but for the most part, anything I want to run will run on windows and quite often only windows.
Reason 2 is also why I don't use linux as my main OS, though I do have it as a secondary OS.
Would you say the same now with the M1 Mac's?
Edit: and from what I know you can now use most of windows application through third party software
I think, in summary, it depends on what you're actually doing (As Prof. Brailsford said)...
I'm a developer and for me compatibility is paramount. In the industry i work in, worldwide, well over 95% of the systems are Windows based and it's important that our software integrates seamlessly into that environment. Producing the software on any other environment would give us no benefits at all, and certainly, producing the software to be compatible on any other environment would be a complete waste of time and effort. There's absolutely no way the industry as a whole will move away from Windows so that's unlikely to change for us too.
Saying that, had i been a graphical designer then i'd have gone with a Mac...!
I'm just glad Tom uses PC. Bros.
jdjk7 In his video about dreaming he makes a joke about windows not working so I always thought he was a mac guy. I'm guessing from what he said in this video he prefers mac but needs the graphics card of the windows machine he had/has
Ehh... Tom's a realist, and he likes his humor/deadpan. I'm pretty sure that most people who are intimately familiar with Windows will joke about it not working.
I was a little at first, because in one of the videos he's done I've seen him with an iPhone 6
Tom said windows, that's all I needed to know from this.
AMIGA of course!
The main reason I dislike Mac is that I actually use keyboard shortcuts a lot, and muscle memory just completely screws me over on that one.
Obviously, once you know the correct key, it's simple to do. But sheer force of habit has me getting frustrating and wondering why ctrl+a isn't working before I remember that I need..that one key that I don't know the name of. You know, the one with something that looks like a four leaf clover?
(There might be other annoying things, but I don't really mess around with Macs often enough to know.)
+KoyasuNoBara You know, those commands are actually the reason why some might say that macs are best for the command line. Traditionally copying and pasting on a PC as opposed to a mac has always been a chore because ctrl-c is the break command to stop something running, not the copy command. Apple spotted this problem very early on and decided to leave ctrl for the command line and create a new button for the gui
+shadebug
_"Traditionally copying and pasting on a PC as opposed to a mac has always been a chore because ctrl-c is the break command to stop something running, not the copy command."_
Of course, you could just right click your mouse to paste into the command line on your PC if you enable quickedit mode in the options... frankly, if your objection was my main objection to command line on the PC, I'd consider it to be perfection incarnate.
+KoyasuNoBara Having used windows and learned all the hotkeys and then switching to mac and having to relearn all the hotkeys, I can definitely say that macs hotkeys are better. Especially for the terminal (ctrl-c is a keyboard interrupt but command-c still works for copy). It just takes some getting used to
+KoyasuNoBara I use a triple-boot system using a unicomp ultra classic and my muscle memory just magically conforms to whatever OS I'm currently using, be that OSX, Windows 10, or Ubuntu.
+Gnomefro Right clicking and hitting paste (after toggling the option on to begin with) is a LOT slower than hitting CMD + C/V.
Every OS was created to solve some issues. So it's not about what's better, it's about what's suits you more. I used Windows, Mac and Linux, and each one has it's pros and cons. Great video!
Use whatever you want
I prefer PC because I can do ANYTHING on it. Graphics designing isn't exclusive to Macs, PC parts are upgradeable to standards much higher than prebuilts like Macs, a lot of programs are .exe (windows!), and gaming is sooo much easier on a PC vs a Mac.
I've used Macs, nothing wrong with them. I just don't like them.
raZ MG "it was"
Never understood a Mac's viewpoint on this... as I see it, they're both computers, they both work, PC supports more things and costs less
mac is less lagy but for the a higher pice and less power
***** lagg is is constant freezing tha is on and off.
I'm sorry, but you can't use the "more expensive" argument anymore. I bought a surface pro, and it was 1500 dollars, I also have a retina MacBook with the same specs that cost about a hundred dollars less. There about the same price.
kilian phillips ***** Manchester Hall Killan did you reply to the wrong person? Manchester Hall was the one being a dumbass about how Macs are "so much better" than PCs. And also, why so much about boot up times? It doesn't matter that much, unless you are constantly turning your computer off.
PC supports different things, not necessarily more. Mac's are mainly used by artists, video producers, music creators, animators, and other creative fields.
Jokes on you they're both Personal Computers XDDDDD
no, pc is a trademark by windows, though most forget it
+Orkish pc refers officially to windows system
harry ballsonya refrain from double posting.
i said officially. first off the term was ibm compatible computer and the other extreme end was macintoshes. it's even stuck to this day, as there's "mac or pc" (remeber "get a mac" campaign apple had? CLEAR use of the word as i defined, it was an official campaign).
i said officially because there exists people who use it as you just defined :)
+Paramone Gaming
PC is no trademark
harry ballsonya why didn't i see this message in my feed, are you too scared of my answer and tagged me afterwards?
well anyway all i want for now is for you to elaborate your answer :)
#OpenSourceForLife
***** That's what the people are for, the people figure out bugs and people fix them.
***** Well consumers/amateur developers tell the people who made the OS the errors, then the people who made it fix it.
John Hurley Because you want to expand your knowledge of coding and you want to customize the OS for yourself.
Adam Yarris Oh wait a sec, I just remembered that Linux is open source isn't it?
John Hurley Yea, Linux is the biggest open source OS like basepoint there is I believe.
Macs, for people who are willing to pay extra money to not learn how a computer works and optimize their own operating system. PC for people who are willing to put up with a few crashes, in exchange for a fair price, who may be willing make some tweaks, and like to run almost anything. Linix OSs for people who like o micromanage every last aspect of everything.
I hope this clears up the differences for everyone.
I agree completely. Although i would also add that most games only run on windows so Windows PCs are also the best choice for gamers.
I have 6 Windows/Linux PC's
I use my main computer everyday and I've crashed 4 times in 3 years all within the same week due to a failure on my part.
I'm sick of Windows. It's so problematic, it generally doesn't crash but you never get to know what's wrong in a straight forward way. But I need it for what I do.
If I had a choice I'd go with Linux every time. Not having tried MacOS extensively.
MrSnowman
I've had windows 8.1 for a little while which is supposedly worse than windows 7 but most people don't know about compatibility options which are easy to use
MrSnowman
If you are getting a repeating crash it's most likely something you are doing.
Linux, Mac, Windows, BSD - I use all of them. Whichever tool is best for the job.
0:41 The only sensible person in the intro.
I always had trouble with stability on all my windows laptops. Even with windows 7 I've had numerous blue screen due to the fact that digital audio workstations are stereotypically unstable programs. After switching to a macbook pro less than a year ago I only experienced one true software freeze on logic pro x, I was easily able to force quit it and reboot the program without messing anything up on the inside. My last laptop had one or two blue screens that eventually damaged the software drivers resulting in a slow, unstable, and even unusable features version of windows 7. I still want to get a separate computer for gaming and maybe try out project spark.
For a channel dedicated to explaining computer science concepts in a digestible and entertaining format, I really feel like there was a pretty large opportunity missed here. The last few bits at the end started heading towards what I was expecting to see out of a video like this, laying out how traditionally neither Mac OS or Windows were UNIX-like environments, how they were both proprietary and incompatible with Linux world. Then, NeXTSTEP allowed Apple to make that transition, essentially making OS X a hot-rodded, proprietary Linux distro with a bunch of hardware-specific bells and whistles, while Windows has stayed with its NT File System since (before Android and Raspberry Pi and stuff) the consumer culture basically dictated that you only ever needed to write software for Windows anyway. I imagine the video also could have gone into BIOS vs EFI, Microsoft's weird recent shift towards Apple's model, Apple's obsession with proprietary ports, all sorts of stuff..
You probably meant to say "Unix world". "Linux world" implies that GNU/Linux is the progenitor of that "world' when it is merely one of its many descendants. As for the Mac's Unix credentials, those did not start with NeXT. High end Macs were running Apple's own Unix system called A/UX already in 1988, which was based on AT&T's SysV and thus closer to the original Unix. Likewise, Microsoft had its own Unix system, too, called Xenix, which unfortunately they scrapped in favour of what would become the Windows OS (as opposed to the Windows GUI running atop DOS). Then there was also MachTen, a BSD system based on the Mach kernel which could run on all Macs as a VM under the Mac operation system with seamless integration between the two, including an X11 server for Unix only applications.
GNU/Linux for me! :)
(Multiple distributions)
This is because I am a programmer and Linux is usually pretty good in that area.
I also do graphics design but Linux still works great for that because it runs both GIMP and Inkscape.
1:53 Well, how much of a mac is actually made by apple? It's just a PC in shiny pants. And you are mostly paying for the shiny pants.
That you nearly can't replace on your own like you can custom builds (even generic towers, come to think of it..)
tbh you can just see a mac pro, it voids the warranty but you can, it maybe hard to find a driver if no apple product uses the hardware you are putting but it is unix based in the end you can make it or use a open source one.
If we're going with that, a PC is just a Mac with more choice of components.
Pretty much every computer will use the same chipsets/architectures and components, it's really about the OS and the software that runs on them.
Well i think you'll find that im not devaluing mac OS, i actually think its syntax is way more intuitive and easier than windows, im devaluing the ridiculously overpriced hardware. YES macs have fast SSDs but if you were really that bothered then you would just buy a couple of them, put them in RAID 0 and use them as external storage and boot of that - its not hard, or better still, buy an m.2 and fit it directly onto the motherboard.
Once again, I couldn't find a laptop that matched the specifications of a MacBook that cost hundreds of pounds less. MacBooks already have an SSD that uses PCIe. That's the faster storage I mentioned. I still don't think the hardware (Laptop at least) is very overpriced. If you can find a laptop that matches the specs and is sold new for 60% cheaper, I'll be interested to hear about it.
GNU/Linux. pick your distro. Ubuntu is a nice one.
As an electronic engineering student I can name countless number of engineering software that I use are not Mac compatible. Also, the ones that are, there are not enough help online when you run into issue. But for sure Mac is more convenient for people who don't use any special software.
It's rare these days that I come across anything I can't run, but even if I do, I just use bootcamp.
Oh web development on Windows is downright painful if I'm honest.
Well I'd say it's your personal preference.
Web development on Windows is not painful at all. I do it and I love it :)
You're a strange person hahaha.
On a serious note, it really depends on what technologies you're working with. I primarily work with Ruby on Rails / Docker pushing to Linux servers. Doing that on Windows would be a nightmare at the best of times.
Joel Nichols Maybe. Let me add that I'm more of a front-end guy and into making client side systems. So JS HTML and CSS for me.
I do bits of server side as well but never really encountered any problems with working on Windows.
Just a difference of the way we work is all I guess :)
It's like a geek's version of rock stars being interviewed about the kind of guitar they use. :)
It's it epic? =0
Telecaster all the way and an odd Strat here or there!
Mac master race: 720p at 15 fps, dozens of games too choose from, plays Minecraft on medium, gt 720m, starting at only $1199.99.
To*
Macs are not for gaming. Any Unix based operating systems aren't.
Most of Mac users are programmers or graphic designers. It provides better efficiency in this particular field.
If you buy a computer for gaming you shouldn't get a mac.
I am a gamer and a programmer. I worked and saved up for both a Mac for my work and a PC for gaming
no most mac users are hipsters and dumbasses... most programs are developed on windows...
Aznwarlord7 You're just ignorant then :)
Aznwarlord7 Sure :P
I've never had windows 7 crash on me in the 6 years ive been using it
i have been using win7 for about 4 years, BSOD almost daily ;) (probably because i never clean up my storage or the physical box)
Same here. No crashes and just works.
I can tell you never overclocked.
Really? Lucky guy
Ive never have windows 10 crash. Windows 7 however, I've had that crash more than vista.
I was at a programming firm once, everyone there had a MacBook presumably because of the software they needed. There were a few windows machines around though like servers and testing computers.
"No decent video editing software on Linux" ??? what about www.lwks.com/ then?
Genesis vs. SNES
Mac vs. PC vs. Linux
Chrome vs. Firefox vs. Internet Explorer
Keith Apicary vs. Dolph Ziggler
AVGN vs. Nostalgia Critic
Epic battles rage on the internet. Am I missing any?
How about BSD? How fine are you dividing (like: Gentoo vs Debian, yes or no)?
Xbox vs PS4
CoD vs Battlefield
Galaxy vs IPhone
amiga vs world ;)
Lol vs Dota2
Chrome vs. Firefox vs. Internet Explorer
INTERNET EXPLORER????
Even if you said safari I wouldn't mind
But who in the right state of mind, who cares about performance(not just ease of access), will support IE?
"whichever is suitable" perfect answer.
Man, do these it-guys come in all shapes possible!
What is the problem with people with this whole mac vs PC thing... People use whatever they want, like 99.9% of the users can do everything they need to on any computer anyway. Macs aren't any more relatively expensive than PCs, Apple just only makes products in the premium category. Saying that macs are expensive may be true in the sense that they cost a lot of money, but expensive PCs cost a lot of money too, for God's sake. Shut up and let people shove their money wherever they want to.
"Macs aren't any more relatively expensive than PCs, Apple just only makes products in the premium category."
Hahahaahah, not true in the slightest.
Try to find any, absolutely any, mac that has the same specs as a pc that is not considerably more expensive.
Can't be done.
***** What? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
***** Just because the screen has a greater resolution, does not make the whole machine better. The baseline macbook pro retina is around a grand in english money, only the top model has a dedicated gpu. It is a GT750m.... for the same price as the base model with i5 dual core, intel integrated gpu, 13.3 screen, 8gb ddr3l and 128gb ssd you can get the dell inspiron 15 7537 with i7 dual core, 15.6 screen, 16gb ddr3l, 1tb sshd, and intel integrated/GT750m hybrid graphics. so... ya there you go. The ONLY thing you have to step down on is the screen resolution, and at 15" a 1080p display is fine. Oh and did I mention the dell is also touchscreen?
***** That dell is also aluminum-clad... just like the macbook....
LozDawney What you may get for the same money is more computational power. Even is it's aluminum-clad, it's not the same build quality. Also, you can't just say that the screen is fine so that doesn't matter. It's not nearly the same as the retina screen on the Macs, it may be completely fine and all, but it's still not nearly the same. Nearly all arguments from people who say that Macs are expensive play down the value of the build, the screen, the support, the battery, and most stuff like that that's not towards computational power. It may not have the same performance under the hood, but there's plenty more elements that bring value other than that too. Think open-minded for once and you'll see. I'm no Apple fanboy, I use OS X and Windows equally much and both can do things the other can't. But objectively thinking, there's a lot more to computers than performance, and most people are willing to pay for those things. You can keep showing links to laptops with more power for less money, or you can just think about it and realize that some people may value different things than you, and that's why Apple products are well worth the money. They're beautiful to look and Macs are almost as powerful as Linux if you want it to be, but you lose some of that performance. Then again, go buy an arguably less beautiful custom PC thing if all you want is power, that's just as fine. You people just don't get it, do you...
Windows for gaming (because of compatibility and hardware customization) Mac for everything else. Windows 8 is appalling it is the worst excuse for an OS ever, its like something you would find on a child's pretend phone. Windows 7 is cluttered and annoying, everytime i use it i am guaranteed to get 'this program is not responding' and it pisses me off so much. I have owned 2 macbooks and they both still work as good as new and i have never had to fix them. Mac OS X is easy to use and clean. Sure they are way more expensive, but it is definitely worth it. I am only speaking from a laptop point of view, i hate desktops as i hate sitting at desks but thats me. As for gaming, any games that are for mac run on my macbook but there isn't enough compatibility/choice, thats why i have bootcamp just for games that only run on windows, and i rarely use it because windows pisses me off as it is so slow. - MY OPINION
I use both, so don't have a particular axe to grind. I find that the Windows file manager is more powerful, for example for sorting files based on various attributes such as running time, size etc. Also I find Mac's networking is lumpy when connecting to non-Mac file shares for example (not just Windows ones). So on balance, Windows tends to get the job done more quickly.
Wholeheartedly agree with Professor Brailsford. I have either OpenSUSE or Windows 7 on my machines.
It depends. Mac is all around, simple, and fancy, but they're expensive and don't work as well with things like gaming. PCs are great for coding, gaming, and programs, but might not be as good for all levels of ability like the Mac is. I personally prefer Mac because the OS is smooth and well rounded, but if I were gaming I'd DEFINITELY choose Windows. Like the guy at 0:40 said, whatever's appropriate.
I have an iPhone, use a 3,000 dollar PC, and code in a Linux computer. Love them all for what they are.
+Danny Sturridge In like 4 years, all those things could be the same thing!
How can you love an iPhone for what it is? I mean, why would you even need a smartphone if you love what an iPhone is?
+Josh Walker not until the phone gets proper hardware keyboard and video output support, and for some reason I can't really picture Apple going in that direction
Sauron
They have bluetooth keyboards and mice. They can stream video, you just need a receptor like google cast or amazon fire or roku.
Josh Walker hardly practical. it can work in a pinch, but it wouldn't convince me to get rid of my desktop (not to mention one screen doesn't cut it for me)
Can someone tell me why my mac apple keychain is still capturing my login router password EVEN THOUGH I am checking the "Do not store my password"? Is there a way to block these apple keychain completely?
I'm confused...isn't a Mac a PC?? Doesn't PC mean "personal computer"? I think they mean Mac OS or Windows OS? Windows users that never used mac will probably never switch to mac.
Jeff W Don't forget Linux. That's a big one.
Jeff W Description
John Hurley which distribution?
ThePotato What?
John Hurley well you said linux
0:39 The god has spoken. PC it is.
I have a MacBook Pro with OS X as the sole system it boots into, but I also have VMs on the same machine that have Windows and Linux in them respectively. What do you call that? On a bigger scheme I also have two workstations that have Windows and Linux respectively.
+陈北宗 Which do you prefer out of the 3 OS's?
***** Anything except Windows. If you ask me to pick one single favorite I would go with OS X.
***** OS X is _technically_ semi open source as the base system itself, Darwin, is open source under APSLv2 license and you can put normal FreeBSD or GNU userland on top of it. And if you managed to put a Cocoa alternative like GNUstep on top of the GNU/Darwin or FreeBSD/Darwin stack you may retain some OS X compatibility. Also OS X is a BSD descendent (genetic UNIX,) POSIX compliant (functional UNIX) and passed the Single UNIX Specification certification (trademark UNIX) so it *is* a UNIX in all senses.
Wow, I'm meant to be doing Comp Sci at uni next year but I haven't heard half of the word you two are mentioning - I need to do some googling!
Apple supports Windows on Macintoshes :)
Mac user here, my first system was a licensed SCO UNIX server from dads office, which got me interested. Then MSDOS came about and it felt like a consumer friendly cli solution for the home. Windows got introduced and it looked so interesting. But the Atari my sister came home with really caught my attention. And I never felt comfortable on the Win solution. Eventually WinXP got pretty close, but it was just one problem after the other, not to mention the issues with security. I got tired of it and picked OSX as the solution, great design, great for development. UNIX under the hood, GUI on top that's easy to use. And my PC frustrations went away. Never looked back. Linux for servers, OSX for the rest. Works for me, so it's worth it.
One of those very rare coincidences: at 3:23 the guy says "...a rather draconian..." while at that vwey moment I was closing a directory named Draconian (for the music band).
At 1:50 the camera pans to keep on picture what's important ;-)
I use what I can buy and works for my needs, now is PC with Windows 7, but it could be PC with Linux or other OS, or Mac or something else in the future, because fanatism just doesn't work with needs (or anything else on me).
Silly people... Linux is still PC.
no
Linux. What ever on.
Попробовал все. Если нету бабла - Linux for Job, PC for Game. Есть бабло - Mac! =)
Eagle Moor если есть бабло - Vaio + Fedora :)
Serge Matveenko не, я что-то не верю что что-то могло сравниться с mac os по скорости...
Eagle Moor бугага:)
Serge Matveenko ну так ты поясни что-ли?
Oh, I spot Dr. Thorsten Altenkirch on this video but I haven't seen any videos with him on Computerphile before! Are these yet to come out?
I feel like this is a good place to ask a question about computers designed by apple. Do you classify a computer buildt of apple as a PC? And what is the reason for the answer?
For me, OSX for work and Windows for gaming
Mac is a type of PC. This is like asking "apple or fruit?"
Basaltq read the description
It's mostly about 'IBM PC' descendants.
In contrast - apart from Macs - you can also have things like Amiga, etc.
Does anybody know what the guy say at 3:59?
I am a computer animation student through Full Sail University, so I have a MacBook Pro (mid 2014 15" retina). I do like it... it's great with adobe software such as Illustrator and Photoshop. However I also have built my own PC and use that most the time as I'm also an avid PC gamer.... I like the build quality of my mac, but like the customization options I have with my PC.... I don't think either one is bad by any means. I have never used any form of Linux, and probably won't have a need to...
I think it just depends on what you use it for, I'm a gamer so I use Windows as it's the most compatible, but If I was a programmer I might use Linux, and if I was doing anything else I'd go for a Mac, then get a pc because I can't afford it.
01:25 wow i've just found out that Professor David Brailsford uses openSUSE, same as i do :)
Tumbleweed or Leap?
@@maxsilvester1327 Leap.
"Whichever is appropriate" My thoughts exactly. I have a Mac Mini that I use for basic web browsing, video editing, and drawing, a Windows laptop that I use for gaming and most everything else, and I occasionally use Linux for repairing Windows machines, running servers, or as a free OS when clients can't afford Windows.
0:50 is the best part! Love that guy
Linux... Love the answers: "MAC or PC?" - "Linux!". Haha.
0:26
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
Just Another Guy oh brother another “noooo its gnu linux” loser. what difference does it make? im sure no one cares about official naming conventions. Its called linux because everyone is familiar with the nickname and it is universally used.
@@zurps The problem with your nickname argument is that it leads to nonsensical misnomers where people still use the name Linux for OSes that are not actually using the Linux kernel but only the GNU userland. Gentoo had a distro that used a BSD kernel at one point, and there are other such systems using the L4 kernel. The "L" in L4 has nothing to do with Linux.
Probably the only real argument I've heard on this subject without mentioning video games.
There is one thing I see most people seems to forget, and that is that the mac and pc are built (originally) for different tasks. PC definitely more for gaming and work, while 95% of all recording studios in the world uses macs. Why? Because the developers of the softwares (Avid, Adobe etc) favors mac, hence making music recording, graphic design running better on OSX than Windows. So it's not what you personally like that is going to run best, it's the developers of the apps and softwares that are deciding what runs best on what OS's.
PC. because I can build repair and upgrade it myself. I don't think a PC should be a closed box that only company certified people are allowed to open. Also don't like that there are no official Mac OS VMs, so you can't really support their users without buying their expensive hardware. If I got a Mac I would definitely put Linux on it.
"PC or Mac"
"I use windows"
You use whatever is right for the task at hand. I use Windows and Linux, the OS vary's depending on what I am doing. Anything networked related I will always choose a Linux machine (good for getting into the system and playing around, nice and easy to natively remote into). Video editing, games, office and day to day use, Windows. Would like to play with a MAC but have not found one in a skip yet (I am a student). Tablits, Android all the way, nice UNIX based system, IOS is to locked down to be useful to me.
Took me forever, but I finally got the joke. HTML, lol.
Mac is a proprietary system, no enthusiasts should use it.
Linux sounds ideal, until you realize how much software its missing.
Windows is a mess, but it's productive, and plays games.
I personally use most of time Mac OS, and a bit less Linux. Choose what you prefer, not what other people tell you to choose!
+iSach Exactly!
+iSach Sometimes people are too confident and stand up too much for their opinions. Everyone can have their opinion as long as they don't roast everyone who has a different one from them. I have a mid 2012 MacBook Pro with Intel Core i5 and it still runs at about the same speed as when I bought it. Someone I know has a colour changing keyboard for his Mac. PCs are a lot more customisable and with a little more computing power at the cost of a large amount of space whereas Macs have everything in front of you. Not trying to offend any PC users but I like Mac :)
Oh w8 Macs cost more coz they're made with more expensive material
I use a pc and Linux on the computers I'm trying to revive (it's free)
I fried both the motherboards
wow what a sad sad sad comment. look at your ignorance. your ignorance even tells you not to listen to others. u literally say "dont listen to others!" wowowow ofc u had to be a mac user because apple takes advantage of ignorant humans like you!
2:50 I could listen to him all day! I'm sure he knows a lot about pc
There's to many variables to determine which is best it depends on your own opinion plus the fact of what you use it for.
Linux
And the system I'm using as my desktop/server has been built by me... Except for my laptop which is a MacBook pro (late 2011 model with Thunderbolt), which dual boots Linux and Mac OSX.
That one guy who doesn't say PC, Mac, OR LINUX, but says,
"uh, BSD"
Yes. I currently have a Mac desktop and laptop for home use, a Linux server, and a Windows laptop for work. As for why I use a Mac at home - I also like having the visual presentation of Mac OS X, the guts of UNIX, and Objective-C/Cocoa.
Mac for graphic design? Do Macs come with software such as Photoshop, Illustrator?
Honestly, it all depends on what you are using it for. Personally, I game a lot, so I have to have a PC. I also like the freedom that comes with a PC, and all you can do with it.
Exactly!
Macs are bad for gaming but are great for programmers and graphic designers!
I am both a gamer and a programmer and worked hard and got both Windows and a Mac.
***** You do realize that xCode is used if you want to make APPS (for either mac or an iOS device). Its not the only tool. You can still code with every language. Including ,NET languages if you just install a Mono IDE.
***** My point is that generally Macs are very comfortable and nice to use for programmers and graphic designers. Its not a requirement and its expensive. If you like working on it and have the money then go buy one. You are talking with someone who uses a Windows PC all the time. I just love to program on my Macbook. That's it.
batman88891 I'd say mac if you want something simple and nice looking, windows PC if you want something still simple but with more freedom and power, and PC with linux if you think command lines are sexually attractive.
no it doesnt. mac is in every situation worse. even as living room decoration. its just scam. mac is scam. apple is scam. thats a fact.
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I started with Windows, used it for many years, and only switched to a Mac in the last two years. I'm more than aware that my retina macbook pro isn't perfect, but for what I needed it for at the time of purchase, which was audio production in a mainly mac-focussed university building, I wanted the same software at home as I had on campus. So, there we are. I've got enough experience in all three of the major operating systems so that if I had the opportunity to switch to Windows tomorrow, I would without any complaints. Maybe the keyboard layout would take a bit of getting used to again, but yeah. Macs for now, but I live in all three environments.
How long did you search to find people who are willing to say mac? Or how much did you pay them?
This is the way I look at it:
Windows is simple where it can get away with it, but capable in all the right places.
Mac is capable where it can get away with it, but simple in all the wrong places.
Linux is just a tad more capable than Windows, but complicated everywhere.
I personally use Windows (8.1 currently), because I've never run into anything I can't do on Windows, whereas with even the most consumer-friendly Linux distros (like Fedora and Ubuntu), I find myself checking Wikis and knowledgebases for info on tiny things that should be simple, like installing an application or editing certain settings. On Mac, none of the programs I use are compatible and I *hate* the UI; after five minutes with a Mac, I've got windows all over the screen and it's cluttered and horrible (mainly because I can't just plug another monitor into a Mac).
I've used Mac OS X, Fedora, Elementary OS, Ubuntu, and most versions of Windows extensively, and I've concluded Win8.1 (soon to be replaced by Win10 though) to be the best for me. I've got a multitude of things automated on Windows, like the scripts I wrote to keep my external HDD from going to sleep and crashing my games, and things like that aren't very portable to other OSes, so I am a bit biased in that sense. I work in IT, and a lot of my friends think that just because I have a formal education and am not a technophobe that I should switch to Linux, but Linux just seems unnecessary for what I do, and it ends up hindering me with the general lack of support (though not as unsupported as Mac) and over-complication.
Oh yeah, and for a similar or lower price as MacBook Pro, you can get an HP Elitebook Folio 9470m, which looks a lot like a MacBook Pro, but it's thinner, more powerful, and *very* enterprise-friendly.
I guess I'd rank it so:
Windows
Fedora
[Linux in general]
Mac OS X
+Ailuri Catbear Linux isn't very complex. If you use a distro like Linux Mint, Ubuntu, or even Antergos it's easier than Windows. Linux gets a bad rep because in the past it was harder to use and even now there are some more advanced distros like Arch Linux.
Much like in OS X you don't even have to open your terminal once in many situations on Linux.
***** I'm using it right now actually, and I like it. It does everything Windows 8.1 did, but it just feels nicer. It's got a weird thing that doesn't let you turn off the built in antivirus protection permanently, but seeing as how I don't use any real-time protection AV anyway, it doesn't bug me.I can see how it would screw others over though, because multiple AVs enabled at once can cause neither of them to work properly.
***** There's no reason to use anything other than MSE anyway.
+Nick Webster Arch is very simple ;)
Ramuk Not for beginners.
I really love how well this video illustrates that the use of Mac/Windows/Linux is purely a personal decision based upon one's preferences and needs.
Edit: I've used all three myself. I love all three for what they're best at. My primary system is a Mac. I use Linux (Fedora and CentOS) at work (and I love working in Linux). I'm setting up a home-built router on CentOS, and (admittedly struggling) to get Fedora running on an old desktop. And I have a Windows 7 DVD that I've just been too lazy to use to dual-boot my Mac (for Windows things that Mac & Linux can't handle).
There are so many points that you can bring up regarding the two platforms, however I feel like most of it boils down to this:
PCs are for people who know about and understand how to fix the technical problems that may arise from its diversity;
Macs are for people who don't know how to fix them, or don't care-- this compounds with Mac user's obsession with aesthetics.
Some thoughtful answers here - whatever is appropriate is right IMO.
I spend most of my time working on AIX Unix which from a fundamentals point of view makes both Windows and OS-X look like crappy toys,but would make a pretty poor choice for personal computing. I have Macs, Windows and Linux PC's - I tend to work with Windows most because the tools I use are mostly Eclipse based and are just easier to get working & tinker with on Windows. The Mac gets the most use by the kids as its pretty hard for them to mess it up and easy enough to fix if they do - but I've tried to use it for my work and it was pretty frustrating.
I used to use a mac with final cut for film editing and stuff, but then i got sony vegas for pc, which iv'e found to be a much better and faster program. Mac really is not useful for graphics design anymore either, i can do everything and more on my pc that i could do on a mac, and a lot faster.
I use a Mac, as a heat sink for my PC.
Has anyone ever tried to install another Linux distribution onto a chromebook other than chrome OS? I was thinking of doing it for university next year. I don't know what unwanted features it entails though..
I have a dual boot with Linux mint xfce and windows 10. but I only use Windows if I need to use a program that doesn't work well in WINE.
Mac. Just works.
Just showing dozens of people expressing their preference with hardly any info on why is not useful. You need to organise it pros and cons of each OS.
The point I'm surprised no one addressed is customization. A PC is something you can build yourself, choosing every piece of hardware individually, including which OS you want for it (unless it's MacOs, obviously). A Mac is a thing you buy as it is and can't ever change -- or even open in most cases. To me that's the real deal breaker.
0:36 I want his game collection!