@hello exactly but sadly the ones that dump these without thinking are the kind of people i think that just wants the newest thing which is sad because computers like these do have the potential like you say for so much
@hello Muppets like the ones you described should stay on consoles until they wise up 😅😆😝 Seriously though, the amount of thought that many are severely lacking nowadays is atrocious 🥴
I myself when i hear sombody is getting a new pc i always ask "can i have that one?" i may never use it or i may use it for xp games but i keep alsorts :) never know when you may need it or sombody dose :)
A couple of months ago I picked up an HP SFF with the same APU and 16gb for $50. The odd thing is the previous owner had installed a very nice wifi card, an MVNE pcie card and a low profile 2gb RX 560. I haven't shifted it yet, but it runs great and does well on ESports games
The seller was asking more, but only had a single photo that was so bad you couldn't even tell it was a computer, and didn't know any specs, I offered $50 assuming it would be hard to go wrong. The lesson there is take decent pictures and properly describe what you are selling.
This system reminds me of my first PC build using an A8-6600k and 8gb DDR3-1600MHz. I could actually play almost any game I wanted to back in 2014 with it, albeit at low resolutions and settings. I eventually threw in a GTX 760 I had grabbed on sale and was blown away by the performance increase. I truly had no idea what I was doing building my first system, but it did spark my passion and curiosity and led me down my current hobbyist path.
Given that the PCI-E cables are left dangling there, I would assume that there was in fact a graphics card there before you got it. It is an ideal PC for a pensioner to browse and shop on.
there probably was a card there, but we didn't have modular PSU's back then, so you would still run the cables there in the case of placing a card there in the future if not right away...
I love the bit about " FM2+ walking so that their new APUs can run! I have been saying that itnis important to try to try new stuff. I have one in a basic setup I use in a mini case for simple office applications. Their innovations paid off even if they seemed weird at the time.
I have an A8-6600k overclocked to 4.2 ghz paired with sapphire 390x overclocked and 32gb of ram as my daily driver. Built it a year ago this month from new old stock parts found on ebay just because. I enjoy it. better than going to the dump. Total build cost was around 550.00 CAD but I like to tinker so the hours of doing exactly that have brought a smile to my face. Thought I'd share. love the content BTW.
I have a soft spot for these old AMD APUs. I built an A10-7870K SFF new. (Cooling and powering a 125w overclocked monster in an SFF chassis back in 2015 before SFF was trendy and before I knew everything I do now was ... "fun.") I was also given a first-gen A8-3850 based prebuilt that's just fine for casual web browsing and video watching.
i got an imac from them 2 weeks ago paid 120 quid. wasnt listed what one it was but got luck got a late 2013 21.5 inch model. gonna upgrade as ive already put the lastest mac os on it
"...both are delicious, I won't be licking it to find out" 😅 LoL 😂 Bro, you always put out banger videos. I'm impressed with how great your uploads are without being too long
I have an old 7890k in a spare system that still handles older games very nicely. It usually only sees use when my daughter has a bunch of friends over.
I used to use exactly that MoBo. Its good, but just like yours one of the DRAM catches dropped off. GPU boost will wake up the GPU a bit if you fiddle around with it. I found that setting the RAM size to 2gb made it perform with less stutters.
Oh, I found it at Cashies, mate Where you can find your dreams They've got wares and chairs and a bug dowstairs Some clubs, some tubs, and hats for scrubs And out of date movies So get on down to Cashies, mate You know it'll change your life So get off the floor, head out the door Forget eBay, they'll charge you more And lose your life at Cashies Mate
i like these kinds of pcs with decent new gen parts i.e RX570 4gig-GTX 1660 & SSD plus some speedy ram for said CPU cause i like seeing how much performance they can achieve with very modest upgrades.
My first build I ever did was an A10-5800K based system to play World of Warcraft. I jumped in right before the launch of Wrath of the Litch King and my cheap Acer laptop wasn't up to the task. The A10 played WoW on low settings at 1080 fairly well and served me for many years, even after I popped a cheap Radeon gpu into the system to help it keep up. I dusted it off recently to build a system for my 6 year old daughter to play minecraft, but it would no longer boot, giving me some kind of communication error code on the debug display. Since my experience with AMD APUs had been good up to this point, I got a cheap AM4 motherboard and a Ryzen 2400G Pro combo off of eBay. It works great and I can probably drop better parts in it for dirt cheap in a few years when she gets old enough to want to play more demanding games.
About a month ago i picked up a pc with an i5 2500, 12gb ddr3, gtx 760, 500gb hdd and 630watt psu for $30. Was really filthy as expected but it all works great! Love what you can get for such little money
I still have this chips bigger brother, the 7850k coverclocked to 4.4ghz and paired with an RX 590 I no longer had a daily use for. Its surprisingly capable with 16gigs of ddr3 2400 and the northbridge overclocked. I keep it at my companies satilite office in another town, and once or twice a month i have to go there for business and sneek in a little gaming while i wait for a meeting or whatever I'm visiting for.
long time watching RGinHD, since 2016 actually, never expected you to go to cashies maaaate, now do a car thing channel and I swear I'll support you financically as much as I can❤❤
I have the exact same cpu in the second computer, this mainly used by the missus for shopping and internet browsing but it's ideal for that, one thing I have notice is the ssd is bottlenecked on this platform and runs half as fast than usual, the ssd is a crucial MX500 1tb, great review, really impressed that it can still be used for gaming at lowest settings 😁
Linus tech tips recently introduced Atlas OS, mod of Windows 10. And that thing along with Windows 10's much better driver fetching has well revived my core 2 duo build which was crimping on windows 8.
Yeah, but 10+ year old games are more like modern games than they are like games from the 90s. There were some pretty crazy jump in technology around then. Many 10 plus year old games are still relevant, or at least play very well even without nostalgia glasses.
My first self-built PC was an AMD FM2 APU, can't remember the model sadly as that board and CPU are long dead and gone. But the iGPUs in those were no slouch when playing older games. Unreal Tournament 3 on that machine kept me busy and happy for years.
Recently bought a PC on auction on got it for £35, it's an old office PC which I decided to turn into a gaming server and couldn't have made one any cheaper. A xeon 4 core, 8 thread at 3.6Ghz 16Gb ram, 500gb SSD and k2200 Nvidia GPU. It's clean (been used in an office), came installed with windows 10 pro and is whisper quiet even under load, so much so that it sits by my tv in another room and causes no bother at all. You can get some incredible bargains if you look
Throw one of the Intel cards in there and show us a few benchmarks. The PC performed well enough that just a bit of extra performance might go a long way. I'm curious about the state of Intel's drivers, and whether they'll handle the situation. I'm also curious what happens when somebody makes the tired old power supply push a card it's not really rated for. Like you said, there are still a lot of PCs like this around, especially globally, so it's always good to see how much can be squeezed from them.
Ah, this brings me back: Had that exact model of cooler from "Spire" in a AMD PC a long time ago back in 2012. Sat on a few CPU's during its lifetime: First an older Athlon x2 6000+, then a more modern Athlon (AM3) and finally on a Phenom x6 1055t (underclocked to 1Ghz for server-use). For the eq of 10 euros it was decent and much quieter than the stock AMD cooler at the time. The Spire-cooler survived for a few years actually, but ended up dying after being used in a always-on server for a bout a year. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean its bad.
Man that is more powerful than my laptop. I've trying to buy a pc but in this city and country I'm looking at about 2k, 2.2k usd for a 12100f and 3060 system. Gotta love those taxes.
About a year or two ago I picked up an HP prodesk 600 tower with an i7 4770, 16GB and 500GB HD on ebay for under $110 after tax and shipping were figured in. This was when they were still going for over $200 most of the time. Old systems like these might not be great for high end modern day gamers but when paired with a mid level graphics card from this or last gen, they can still play modern games with lowered settings and realistic expectations decently. Heck, I still do most of my gaming on an FX 8350 with a 1650 Super and I have yet to find a game I don't at least feel is playable at this point. Sure, It wouldn't do for most gamers but I'm perfectly good with it. I'd love an upgrade, but that just isn't in the cards right now, even spending that $100 was a stretch but I couldn't pas it up, so I'll continue until it just doesn't work for me anymore.
I bought a similar PC from All About Cash, a similar place to Cashies in Reading that was a former Cash Generator franchise, though it was £110 more than this PC. It originally had an FM2+ Athlon and 1030 GPU. Gutted the machine out and whipped in a new AM4 mobo with a Ryzen 5 5600X, 16GBs of RAM, 2TB SSD and RX 6750XT, and more fans to increase the airflow (the case was a proper gaming spec one, but it originally lacked in fans). Was a huge leap from the original specs.
I once had to fix an awful Acer prebuilt that had an A8-7850 (non-K). The company the machine belonged to needed to boot into the OS, but they didn't have the password for the old user and the copy of Windows was really messed up and was taking ~30 mins to boot. Top things that made it terrible: - When running any 3D load on the iGPU, it imposed a strict power limit on the CPU portion of the APU which limited the already slow CPU to 2.5GHz. - Acer had something funky going on with their BIOS and the boot partitions on the machine: It would fail to boot if you tried to do a clean install of Windows on it. Cloning the disk to an SSD also didn't work unless you cloned it to an identically sized disk. I had a 1TB SSD, but this was back when they were $300-400, so it wasn't worth the cost. I found that if I installed GRUB on a USB thumb drive, it WOULD work when booting to a smaller SSD, but this was an office PC for some really non-tech savvy people, and I could imagine someone not knowing what the thumb drive was for and removing it... so I just left the original boot HDD in there. I ended up recovering the files they needed and then just erased the C:\ drive and did a clean install of Win10 on that (without having the Windows installer create all the other partitions).
Those FM2+ CPU/APU chips hold value when multiple people use them for various reasons. One reason is for people who are looking to make a server with greater customisability than a NAS, such as a small linux (or BSD or Unix influence style system) for which they might di a little coding. The APU graphics memory can be reduced in size down to say 16Megabytes or slightly more, depending on what the user is after. Then an OpenCl driver can be used for when people want to learn heterogenous computing on an AMD64 system in a manner somewhat similar to that of a RaspberryPi3b at around version 1.2 of OpenCl. An example use case is spectral analysis of audio and video, for instance (in one of the simpler examples) a graphic equalizer on a HiFi. The FM2+ (rather than FM2) allows for some of the motherboard models to enable the PCI-e 16x slot to be a Gen3 rather than Gen2. Thereby a person might use 4x of that slot to install a PCI-e to NVMe adaptor which might be bootable _(or if not, can so by means of Plop Linux or similar)_ or for dumping snapshot of memory when a system failure occurs such as when a UPS kicks in. The quadcore CPU _(sometimes available with performance enhancing instructions for coding)_ is sufficient for file integrity checks to be done by Blake2b 4-way parallel processing (such as by 7-Zip or command-line). The SATA ports can be used for BTRFS array or ZFS and expanded upon by a HBA in a PCI-e slot for more SATA. A legacy sound card can oftentimes occupy a legacy PCI slot on some motherboards. Alternatively a deliberately slower 100Mbps LAN NIC can be additionally installed so as to use a smaller driver footprint for ethernet thana 1Gbps NIC. some such computers are not interested in usages of a VM with passthrough _(but might be connected to a server that does that)_ so they might just run a deciduous QEMU instance now and then and are not interested in using the NVMe Namespace mess for passthrough, and they don't have the IOMMU range anyway. Having the onboard graphics can also mean a secondary modest GPU is used in a PCIe 4x Gen 2 slot for something other than the OpenCL or for a different version such as OpenCl2.2 or OpenCl 3. As long as the OpenCl needs only a small amount of memory (before RAM), the CPU/APU cache is fast enough to outperform a great many GPU cards. A GPU in OpenCL2.2 might use the high precision Gaussian double for K-Space in image processing. The CPU accepts a wide variety of coolers (AM3 and so on) at low cost. The APU graphics can support 4K for big spreadsheets and graphing, including scientific graphing. The TPM connector can be modded into an ISA slot. If a person also wants to try the Server2012 OS on it _(assuming they have not invested importance in things like hypervisor performance),_ the graphics are more stable than on an i5-4460 with the Microsoft Windows drivers. The motherboard does have RAID5 and so a person might bust out the PCI-e 4x Gen2 slot into a bunch of SATA ports so as to created redundancy of that in some other method, be it dynamic disk or ZFS/BTRFS or whatever, using extra Hard drives that do not interfere with the hard drives plugged into the onboard 8 SATA ports. It has a serial COM port by which to remote in. There is SPDIF and 8 channel audio for modest HTPC uses and not just storage. Unlike Ryzen, in linux it (that 7650k) doesn't need a customised linux distro to run the Rieser File system. The Reiser FS is used for low RAM usages use cases as a GPLv2 journaling file system such as if you're not using HAMMER2 or ZFS. My comment has no hate in it and I do no harm. I am not appalled or afraid, boasting or envying or complaining... Just saying. Psalms23: Giving thanks and praise to the Lord and peace and love. Also, I'd say Matthew6.
Open Source Media Center (OSMC) is a linux distro for running your TV and streaming apps. Despite all the cool PCs I build and have for sale I still use a A8-7600 based system as my media center. A random AM2+ itx mobo that was literally thrown in the trash, GT 1030 somebody just gave me, 8gb of DDR3 I pulled from my pile of DDR3, random little Coolermaster case, tiny old SSD as a boot drive, and a HDD for bulk media storage. - A media center PC is a great use for hardware too old to do much. Little rechargable keyboard with a built in trackpad is your remote.
Great video to watch. I acquired an old Panasonic gaming PC that I cannot find anything about on the internet. It is silver with a see through panel. Some of the components are ASUS, look top quality and must have been top of the range at the time. It still has a built in floppy drive in it (Not a removable one). Don't know if it works but it must be rare and collectable?
2:30 That PSU isn't the most terrible PSU I've seen. It's always a good idea to check the wattage, in particular, the 12V rails, to see how they stack up. In this example there is one 12V rail at 25A (300W) and a second 12V rail at 20A (240W), so both 12V rails combined can deliver up to 540W, i.e. that 500W PSU is a decent PSU! Some cheapo PSU's can barely put out half their power on the 12V rail, and rely on the 3.3V/5V rails to boost the wattage up.
That’s actually acceptable price to performance wise. Probably spending another $50-80 for a dedicated gpu would go a long way. With the current craze for handheld pcs, most game dev/publishers are probably working to make their games at least playable with lower end hardwares and the “base” standard specs for that is the steam deck. Meaning regardless how powerful other handhelds are, as valve and steam deck is the standard(has biggest influence), as long as they don’t increase the specs, game devs/publishers will try their best to optimize for steam deck. Which also extends to older pc that’s has at least the same performance as the steam deck.
A couple of issues with these chips. The stock coolers were never enough for them running with CPB turned on. AIB boards all over-volted them with CPB. they can just barely handle being pushed with the stock cooler and CBP turned off. Running more than 4ghz is a waste. Anyway, turn off CPB, use a reasonable HSF, dial in 4ghz at a reasonable voltage, then setting the GPU clock to almost 1k, results in the best overall performance. I think you should try using Nobara Project Linux when doing some performance testing, alongside windows. Just my experience and opinion. Great coverage of this mighty chip and socket... The beginning of the HSA/APU era for AMD.
LOL I do hope that is either chocolate or caramel and not what I thought it was, blood! Still, for 40 quid not a bad PC. Seems my local cashies is still open. I used to know the manager there quite well and get some good discounts on stuff. But that was at least 10 years ago, so I doubt she is still there. I used to love the little things you got there like power adapters, kids toys etc. They really do sel just about anything. And, in my eyes they are a lot better than CEX. I find CEX a real expensive shop in comparison. Cashies always gave me a better price on my stuff.
ahhh the good old fm2+ days, my first pc was an A8 7600 with 8gb of ram i bought it as sorta a 'prebuild' and i just shove in there an rx 470, tried to play not so modern games and it actually ran with decent fps lol, the witcher 3, nier automata, yakuzas and so much more
AMD's APUs also make really good basis for small scale home NAS servers, I have an A10-7800 PRO in mine that I had left over from a project 10 years ago and it's awesome and only sips on the Watts which is great for a system that's on 24/7. It's economical, but can pick up it's skirts for things like video transcoding in Plex when it needs to.
I've got a bunch of those APU PCs for free (no HDD, sometimes no RAM) from a business and keep selling them for just about what it cost me to make them run. People usually want them for browsing/office because they use relatively little power.
The first proper PC I built for my older kid had this very same motherboard, an X4 860k and a GTX 960 2GB. It was quite a decent PC for the price at the time.
I just build a PC for small workloads with my old A8-7650K. It does indeed run quite slow compared to a Athlon 3000G, however it does run Windows 10 just fine. I paired it with a GTX 1050 2GB - it doesn't do well in modern games or really any game that released after 2015, but it's plenty for programming in C 🙃
keep up the good work do you have any good advice, I have an old PC with an Asus M32 motherboard 1600 Mzh and what can be done about it so that it can be good for 1080p Gaming
4:59 I've still got a brand new sealed in the box A10-7890K with the wraith cooler. I just can't bare to open it though. Not because it won't be new anymore but because of my expectations. I'd rather keep wondering than be disappointed with it's performance 😅
I have a similar PC but with an A88XM-A (micro atx) and an a8-7600 (the one with a locked multiplier). I still sometimes run modern games on it and it somehow manages to still run them, albeit at really low settings and at like 15fps with huge stutters
I love older and used pcs like these. Always makes me happy seeing these kind of systems going to good homes instead of ending up at the dump.
@hello exactly but sadly the ones that dump these without thinking are the kind of people i think that just wants the newest thing which is sad because computers like these do have the potential like you say for so much
@hello Muppets like the ones you described should stay on consoles until they wise up 😅😆😝
Seriously though, the amount of thought that many are severely lacking nowadays is atrocious 🥴
They end up there anyway but i'll admit they're fun as a thought experiment
@hello even certain LGA775 builds still have some kind of potential
I myself when i hear sombody is getting a new pc i always ask "can i have that one?" i may never use it or i may use it for xp games but i keep alsorts :) never know when you may need it or sombody dose :)
"oh i bought it at cashies" -dankpods
😁
"Oh my Pkcell"
@@phantom3289lol
....mate
Where you can find your dreams.
A couple of months ago I picked up an HP SFF with the same APU and 16gb for $50. The odd thing is the previous owner had installed a very nice wifi card, an MVNE pcie card and a low profile 2gb RX 560. I haven't shifted it yet, but it runs great and does well on ESports games
Nice
Rx 560 is a nice bonus
Thats really cool
Really nice for the price
The seller was asking more, but only had a single photo that was so bad you couldn't even tell it was a computer, and didn't know any specs, I offered $50 assuming it would be hard to go wrong. The lesson there is take decent pictures and properly describe what you are selling.
This system reminds me of my first PC build using an A8-6600k and 8gb DDR3-1600MHz. I could actually play almost any game I wanted to back in 2014 with it, albeit at low resolutions and settings. I eventually threw in a GTX 760 I had grabbed on sale and was blown away by the performance increase. I truly had no idea what I was doing building my first system, but it did spark my passion and curiosity and led me down my current hobbyist path.
Given that the PCI-E cables are left dangling there, I would assume that there was in fact a graphics card there before you got it. It is an ideal PC for a pensioner to browse and shop on.
Ah yeah good point there could have been
That thing is power hungry, it may be an issue where electricity is not any cheap
Yeah that and one of the back pcie covers is of a different design.
@@simdaydreamer5239 a laptop would be better, yes.
there probably was a card there, but we didn't have modular PSU's back then, so you would still run the cables there in the case of placing a card there in the future if not right away...
I love this man's content. No BS. Straight to the point and entertaining. Deserves much more than what he has now.
Always a good idea to open these older systems outside in the garden. You won't infest your house if it comes preloaded with roaches.
Haha yeah that’s partly why I do it
Spilt coffee might have dragged them
Had this issue buying a second hand pse off ebay, contained bed bugs. yes I opened the package in my bedroom😭🤢never again
I love the bit about " FM2+ walking so that their new APUs can run! I have been saying that itnis important to try to try new stuff. I have one in a basic setup I use in a mini case for simple office applications. Their innovations paid off even if they seemed weird at the time.
Meanwhile, the AMD E-series can be charitably described as "sucking so that the A-series didn't completely blow"
"ah the cashies, its like a garage sale with dedicated business hours"
-dankpods
I'll never get tired of these videos!
Not even a scratch and sniff test! I am disappointed! 😆 Great Vid again, Keep em coming! 🙂
😂
I have an A8-6600k overclocked to 4.2 ghz paired with sapphire 390x overclocked and 32gb of ram as my daily driver. Built it a year ago this month from new old stock parts found on ebay just because. I enjoy it. better than going to the dump. Total build cost was around 550.00 CAD but I like to tinker so the hours of doing exactly that have brought a smile to my face. Thought I'd share. love the content BTW.
I have a soft spot for these old AMD APUs.
I built an A10-7870K SFF new. (Cooling and powering a 125w overclocked monster in an SFF chassis back in 2015 before SFF was trendy and before I knew everything I do now was ... "fun.")
I was also given a first-gen A8-3850 based prebuilt that's just fine for casual web browsing and video watching.
i got an imac from them 2 weeks ago paid 120 quid. wasnt listed what one it was but got luck got a late 2013 21.5 inch model. gonna upgrade as ive already put the lastest mac os on it
Nice :)
Machines like this are great as long as you don't want to play anything past 2015
"...both are delicious, I won't be licking it to find out" 😅 LoL 😂
Bro, you always put out banger videos. I'm impressed with how great your uploads are without being too long
Thanks :)
Great to see older kit, and not just the latest and greatest being reviewed. Thanks.
Bumped into this from a suggestion from YT.......Glad I watched had some laughs from the uploader, really well presented.
I picked a similar rig up on scrap last week, they make decent emulators and office rigs 😊
I have an old 7890k in a spare system that still handles older games very nicely. It usually only sees use when my daughter has a bunch of friends over.
I used to use exactly that MoBo. Its good, but just like yours one of the DRAM catches dropped off. GPU boost will wake up the GPU a bit if you fiddle around with it. I found that setting the RAM size to 2gb made it perform with less stutters.
Oh, I found it at Cashies, mate
Where you can find your dreams
They've got wares and chairs and a bug dowstairs
Some clubs, some tubs, and hats for scrubs
And out of date movies
So get on down to Cashies, mate
You know it'll change your life
So get off the floor, head out the door
Forget eBay, they'll charge you more
And lose your life at Cashies
Mate
i like these kinds of pcs with decent new gen parts i.e RX570 4gig-GTX 1660 & SSD plus some speedy ram for said CPU cause i like seeing how much performance they can achieve with very modest upgrades.
If you can pick up an R7 250 to pair with this, trying out dual graphics might be interesting.
lol my first "Gaming" setup, I can't remember if it did better or worse with the dual graphics?
I think the performance of this config surprised everyone. This video as usual is really well made!
This needs a bit of the old GTX 750ti love, then it will be a (mini, almost) BEAST!
My first build I ever did was an A10-5800K based system to play World of Warcraft. I jumped in right before the launch of Wrath of the Litch King and my cheap Acer laptop wasn't up to the task. The A10 played WoW on low settings at 1080 fairly well and served me for many years, even after I popped a cheap Radeon gpu into the system to help it keep up. I dusted it off recently to build a system for my 6 year old daughter to play minecraft, but it would no longer boot, giving me some kind of communication error code on the debug display. Since my experience with AMD APUs had been good up to this point, I got a cheap AM4 motherboard and a Ryzen 2400G Pro combo off of eBay. It works great and I can probably drop better parts in it for dirt cheap in a few years when she gets old enough to want to play more demanding games.
About a month ago i picked up a pc with an i5 2500, 12gb ddr3, gtx 760, 500gb hdd and 630watt psu for $30. Was really filthy as expected but it all works great! Love what you can get for such little money
When I see Cashies, I immediately think: DankPods. What he has done.
Didn’t expect it to perform that well
@elcactuar3354 thanks, I’m always getting confused about that one
I still have this chips bigger brother, the 7850k coverclocked to 4.4ghz and paired with an RX 590 I no longer had a daily use for. Its surprisingly capable with 16gigs of ddr3 2400 and the northbridge overclocked. I keep it at my companies satilite office in another town, and once or twice a month i have to go there for business and sneek in a little gaming while i wait for a meeting or whatever I'm visiting for.
long time watching RGinHD, since 2016 actually, never expected you to go to cashies maaaate, now do a car thing channel and I swear I'll support you financically as much as I can❤❤
I have the exact same cpu in the second computer, this mainly used by the missus for shopping and internet browsing but it's ideal for that, one thing I have notice is the ssd is bottlenecked on this platform and runs half as fast than usual, the ssd is a crucial MX500 1tb, great review, really impressed that it can still be used for gaming at lowest settings 😁
I wouldn't say it can "still" be used for gaming, I mean these games are 10+ years old.
It's like saying a 1998 pc still can game, and play tetris :D
Most likely because your FM2 mobo only has SATA II lol
Still be significantly faster than HDD tho
Linus tech tips recently introduced Atlas OS, mod of Windows 10. And that thing along with Windows 10's much better driver fetching has well revived my core 2 duo build which was crimping on windows 8.
@@helenHTID that explains it 😁
Yeah, but 10+ year old games are more like modern games than they are like games from the 90s. There were some pretty crazy jump in technology around then. Many 10 plus year old games are still relevant, or at least play very well even without nostalgia glasses.
Is anyone gonna acknowledge that he unboxs things in the garden where the shouldn't he at 😅
My first self-built PC was an AMD FM2 APU, can't remember the model sadly as that board and CPU are long dead and gone. But the iGPUs in those were no slouch when playing older games. Unreal Tournament 3 on that machine kept me busy and happy for years.
Cash Converters went out of business in my area, but one store did survive by going independent under the name 'Cash Connections'.
Good times.
I love that anything related to scarlet fire or cash converters is instantly recognized as dankpods
The parts in that system have made it worth £40 all day long. Nice little find.
Recently bought a PC on auction on got it for £35, it's an old office PC which I decided to turn into a gaming server and couldn't have made one any cheaper. A xeon 4 core, 8 thread at 3.6Ghz 16Gb ram, 500gb SSD and k2200 Nvidia GPU. It's clean (been used in an office), came installed with windows 10 pro and is whisper quiet even under load, so much so that it sits by my tv in another room and causes no bother at all.
You can get some incredible bargains if you look
I've used that same psu on systems for years now and it's never missed a beat
Good to know :)
Throw one of the Intel cards in there and show us a few benchmarks. The PC performed well enough that just a bit of extra performance might go a long way. I'm curious about the state of Intel's drivers, and whether they'll handle the situation. I'm also curious what happens when somebody makes the tired old power supply push a card it's not really rated for. Like you said, there are still a lot of PCs like this around, especially globally, so it's always good to see how much can be squeezed from them.
doubt this motherboard supports resizable bar, kind of needed for intel cards.
Someone making an old power supply push a GPU it's not rated for? Surely nothing bad involving a fire will happen my friend
@@swiiishgin1515 theres a bios mod available that adds rebar to everything now
Your collection of beast pcs must be getting quite large!
I like that yellow accenting on the slots. And the golden copper heatsink on the VRM. It's classy. Go Asus.
bro no freaking way, I worked on a pc just like this one today, cpu was a 6600 tho, cleaned it up and installed a cheap a55 ssd in it
Nice
Ah, this brings me back: Had that exact model of cooler from "Spire" in a AMD PC a long time ago back in 2012. Sat on a few CPU's during its lifetime: First an older Athlon x2 6000+, then a more modern Athlon (AM3) and finally on a Phenom x6 1055t (underclocked to 1Ghz for server-use). For the eq of 10 euros it was decent and much quieter than the stock AMD cooler at the time. The Spire-cooler survived for a few years actually, but ended up dying after being used in a always-on server for a bout a year. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean its bad.
When you opened the little cardboard flap i was expecting a cat paw to appear! 😂
Man that is more powerful than my laptop.
I've trying to buy a pc but in this city and country I'm looking at about 2k, 2.2k usd for a 12100f and 3060 system.
Gotta love those taxes.
Ahhh fm2+ what a lot of memories for me and all the tears it gaves me for the low framerate most of the time but i still love you A6-7400k 😘.
Yeah interesting but ultimately not so great lineup haha
Looks like it could make a decent emulation box. I could see this running Dolphin (GameCube/Wii) considerably well, maybe PCSX2 (PS2) as well.
About a year or two ago I picked up an HP prodesk 600 tower with an i7 4770, 16GB and 500GB HD on ebay for under $110 after tax and shipping were figured in. This was when they were still going for over $200 most of the time. Old systems like these might not be great for high end modern day gamers but when paired with a mid level graphics card from this or last gen, they can still play modern games with lowered settings and realistic expectations decently. Heck, I still do most of my gaming on an FX 8350 with a 1650 Super and I have yet to find a game I don't at least feel is playable at this point. Sure, It wouldn't do for most gamers but I'm perfectly good with it. I'd love an upgrade, but that just isn't in the cards right now, even spending that $100 was a stretch but I couldn't pas it up, so I'll continue until it just doesn't work for me anymore.
I bought a similar PC from All About Cash, a similar place to Cashies in Reading that was a former Cash Generator franchise, though it was £110 more than this PC. It originally had an FM2+ Athlon and 1030 GPU. Gutted the machine out and whipped in a new AM4 mobo with a Ryzen 5 5600X, 16GBs of RAM, 2TB SSD and RX 6750XT, and more fans to increase the airflow (the case was a proper gaming spec one, but it originally lacked in fans). Was a huge leap from the original specs.
Pls do a budget pc gaming build, and show us its benchmarks! We love your budget content
Now to throw in an old lower power card and really see what it can do.
Maybe an old 1060 3GB.
2:41 "It doesn't matter really, as both are delicious..." 😂😂😂😂 Love you RGinHD please never change!
Add an R7 240 and run in dual graphics mode, see if there is any improvement 👍🏻
Finally! Some more
“CASHIES SPECIAL”
Mans has the most amazing lawn I have seen
bro seeing the choppy minecraft footage with the steve skin brought me back to being a kid playing 1.2.5 on my moms laptop for the first time
Good ol cashies still goin Strong. Brilliant chain
That WD Purple inside makes me wonder if it was originally built as some sort of CCTV device.
I once had to fix an awful Acer prebuilt that had an A8-7850 (non-K). The company the machine belonged to needed to boot into the OS, but they didn't have the password for the old user and the copy of Windows was really messed up and was taking ~30 mins to boot.
Top things that made it terrible:
- When running any 3D load on the iGPU, it imposed a strict power limit on the CPU portion of the APU which limited the already slow CPU to 2.5GHz.
- Acer had something funky going on with their BIOS and the boot partitions on the machine:
It would fail to boot if you tried to do a clean install of Windows on it. Cloning the disk to an SSD also didn't work unless you cloned it to an identically sized disk. I had a 1TB SSD, but this was back when they were $300-400, so it wasn't worth the cost. I found that if I installed GRUB on a USB thumb drive, it WOULD work when booting to a smaller SSD, but this was an office PC for some really non-tech savvy people, and I could imagine someone not knowing what the thumb drive was for and removing it... so I just left the original boot HDD in there.
I ended up recovering the files they needed and then just erased the C:\ drive and did a clean install of Win10 on that (without having the Windows installer create all the other partitions).
Those FM2+ CPU/APU chips hold value when multiple people use them for various reasons. One reason is for people who are looking to make a server with greater customisability than a NAS, such as a small linux (or BSD or Unix influence style system) for which they might di a little coding. The APU graphics memory can be reduced in size down to say 16Megabytes or slightly more, depending on what the user is after. Then an OpenCl driver can be used for when people want to learn heterogenous computing on an AMD64 system in a manner somewhat similar to that of a RaspberryPi3b at around version 1.2 of OpenCl. An example use case is spectral analysis of audio and video, for instance (in one of the simpler examples) a graphic equalizer on a HiFi. The FM2+ (rather than FM2) allows for some of the motherboard models to enable the PCI-e 16x slot to be a Gen3 rather than Gen2. Thereby a person might use 4x of that slot to install a PCI-e to NVMe adaptor which might be bootable _(or if not, can so by means of Plop Linux or similar)_ or for dumping snapshot of memory when a system failure occurs such as when a UPS kicks in. The quadcore CPU _(sometimes available with performance enhancing instructions for coding)_ is sufficient for file integrity checks to be done by Blake2b 4-way parallel processing (such as by 7-Zip or command-line). The SATA ports can be used for BTRFS array or ZFS and expanded upon by a HBA in a PCI-e slot for more SATA. A legacy sound card can oftentimes occupy a legacy PCI slot on some motherboards. Alternatively a deliberately slower 100Mbps LAN NIC can be additionally installed so as to use a smaller driver footprint for ethernet thana 1Gbps NIC. some such computers are not interested in usages of a VM with passthrough _(but might be connected to a server that does that)_ so they might just run a deciduous QEMU instance now and then and are not interested in using the NVMe Namespace mess for passthrough, and they don't have the IOMMU range anyway. Having the onboard graphics can also mean a secondary modest GPU is used in a PCIe 4x Gen 2 slot for something other than the OpenCL or for a different version such as OpenCl2.2 or OpenCl 3. As long as the OpenCl needs only a small amount of memory (before RAM), the CPU/APU cache is fast enough to outperform a great many GPU cards. A GPU in OpenCL2.2 might use the high precision Gaussian double for K-Space in image processing. The CPU accepts a wide variety of coolers (AM3 and so on) at low cost. The APU graphics can support 4K for big spreadsheets and graphing, including scientific graphing. The TPM connector can be modded into an ISA slot. If a person also wants to try the Server2012 OS on it _(assuming they have not invested importance in things like hypervisor performance),_ the graphics are more stable than on an i5-4460 with the Microsoft Windows drivers.
The motherboard does have RAID5 and so a person might bust out the PCI-e 4x Gen2 slot into a bunch of SATA ports so as to created redundancy of that in some other method, be it dynamic disk or ZFS/BTRFS or whatever, using extra Hard drives that do not interfere with the hard drives plugged into the onboard 8 SATA ports. It has a serial COM port by which to remote in. There is SPDIF and 8 channel audio for modest HTPC uses and not just storage.
Unlike Ryzen, in linux it (that 7650k) doesn't need a customised linux distro to run the Rieser File system. The Reiser FS is used for low RAM usages use cases as a GPLv2 journaling file system such as if you're not using HAMMER2 or ZFS.
My comment has no hate in it and I do no harm. I am not appalled or afraid, boasting or envying or complaining... Just saying. Psalms23: Giving thanks and praise to the Lord and peace and love. Also, I'd say Matthew6.
I like that interior case design more than that of the old Dell Optiplex. You can actually fix a large graphics card in this.
40€ is a great deal for the 16GB of RAM and a budget desktop PC for simple usage. :D
Open Source Media Center (OSMC) is a linux distro for running your TV and streaming apps. Despite all the cool PCs I build and have for sale I still use a A8-7600 based system as my media center. A random AM2+ itx mobo that was literally thrown in the trash, GT 1030 somebody just gave me, 8gb of DDR3 I pulled from my pile of DDR3, random little Coolermaster case, tiny old SSD as a boot drive, and a HDD for bulk media storage. - A media center PC is a great use for hardware too old to do much. Little rechargable keyboard with a built in trackpad is your remote.
Nothing inspires confidence like an AliExpress wrapping job
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Great video to watch. I acquired an old Panasonic gaming PC that I cannot find anything about on the internet. It is silver with a see through panel. Some of the components are ASUS, look top quality and must have been top of the range at the time. It still has a built in floppy drive in it (Not a removable one). Don't know if it works but it must be rare and collectable?
2:30 That PSU isn't the most terrible PSU I've seen. It's always a good idea to check the wattage, in particular, the 12V rails, to see how they stack up. In this example there is one 12V rail at 25A (300W) and a second 12V rail at 20A (240W), so both 12V rails combined can deliver up to 540W, i.e. that 500W PSU is a decent PSU! Some cheapo PSU's can barely put out half their power on the 12V rail, and rely on the 3.3V/5V rails to boost the wattage up.
That’s actually acceptable price to performance wise. Probably spending another $50-80 for a dedicated gpu would go a long way. With the current craze for handheld pcs, most game dev/publishers are probably working to make their games at least playable with lower end hardwares and the “base” standard specs for that is the steam deck. Meaning regardless how powerful other handhelds are, as valve and steam deck is the standard(has biggest influence), as long as they don’t increase the specs, game devs/publishers will try their best to optimize for steam deck. Which also extends to older pc that’s has at least the same performance as the steam deck.
The best PC bargain hunter on TH-cam 😂😂😂
A couple of issues with these chips.
The stock coolers were never enough for them running with CPB turned on. AIB boards all over-volted them with CPB.
they can just barely handle being pushed with the stock cooler and CBP turned off.
Running more than 4ghz is a waste.
Anyway, turn off CPB, use a reasonable HSF, dial in 4ghz at a reasonable voltage, then setting the GPU clock to almost 1k, results in the best overall performance.
I think you should try using Nobara Project Linux when doing some performance testing, alongside windows.
Just my experience and opinion.
Great coverage of this mighty chip and socket... The beginning of the HSA/APU era for AMD.
an SSD and a cheap GPU and that system could be a nice little Media PC.
Yeah for sure
Would be cool to see how these integrated gpus handles cs2 when it launches
Cash converters babyyyyyy I live in one of the few US places where Cashies is relevant and as a child it was MY SHIT.
perfect candidate for the legendary GT 710
Thinking of seeking out something like this to run my PLEX server/NAS, hadn't considered Cash Converters so will give them a look
LOL I do hope that is either chocolate or caramel and not what I thought it was, blood! Still, for 40 quid not a bad PC. Seems my local cashies is still open. I used to know the manager there quite well and get some good discounts on stuff. But that was at least 10 years ago, so I doubt she is still there. I used to love the little things you got there like power adapters, kids toys etc. They really do sel just about anything. And, in my eyes they are a lot better than CEX. I find CEX a real expensive shop in comparison. Cashies always gave me a better price on my stuff.
I had this same cpu with 8gb of ram defenily brought back memories
ahhh the good old fm2+ days, my first pc was an A8 7600 with 8gb of ram i bought it as sorta a 'prebuild' and i just shove in there an rx 470, tried to play not so modern games and it actually ran with decent fps lol, the witcher 3, nier automata, yakuzas and so much more
CPU alone is like 20$ in my country. That's very cool deal. Also that mobo seems very high end lol.
AMD's APUs also make really good basis for small scale home NAS servers, I have an A10-7800 PRO in mine that I had left over from a project 10 years ago and it's awesome and only sips on the Watts which is great for a system that's on 24/7. It's economical, but can pick up it's skirts for things like video transcoding in Plex when it needs to.
I've got a bunch of those APU PCs for free (no HDD, sometimes no RAM) from a business and keep selling them for just about what it cost me to make them run. People usually want them for browsing/office because they use relatively little power.
On rainy days if I had nothing else, this PC would be terrific lol
Cool vid, pretty sure you missed out on overclocking though since it's a K-version!
The first proper PC I built for my older kid had this very same motherboard, an X4 860k and a GTX 960 2GB. It was quite a decent PC for the price at the time.
Yeah good combo :)
So relatable right now!
The power tools are all jacked from tradesmens vans 💯
I just build a PC for small workloads with my old A8-7650K. It does indeed run quite slow compared to a Athlon 3000G, however it does run Windows 10 just fine. I paired it with a GTX 1050 2GB - it doesn't do well in modern games or really any game that released after 2015, but it's plenty for programming in C 🙃
Come on down to cashies *mate* where you can find your dreams!
keep up the good work do you have any good advice, I have an old PC with an Asus M32 motherboard 1600 Mzh and what can be done about it so that it can be good for 1080p Gaming
I'd love to see what it can do paired with a 750ti
Oh finally i a video xD (btw ur channel's notifications not coming to me)
That memory has to be the most surprising part of the specs. I expected 8gb at most
4:59 I've still got a brand new sealed in the box A10-7890K with the wraith cooler. I just can't bare to open it though. Not because it won't be new anymore but because of my expectations. I'd rather keep wondering than be disappointed with it's performance 😅
I have a similar PC but with an A88XM-A (micro atx) and an a8-7600 (the one with a locked multiplier). I still sometimes run modern games on it and it somehow manages to still run them, albeit at really low settings and at like 15fps with huge stutters
I’m still waiting for a Cashies collab with DankPods, but I will add you to my list of creators who they need to work with.
Is the unboxing and PC internals inspection done on the lawn in the garden for a reason?
Like! Not bad for a 50$ PC.
Nice score!
Better CPU and more RAM than my "gaming rig" currently uses :)