Love it. Brueggemann's book too. Have you had time to engage an amazing book by Jason Staples, Paul and Resurrection of Israel: Jews, Former Gentiles, Israelites (Cambridge University Press, 2024)? He notices Paul (and other 2nd-T Jewish writers) distinguish Jew from Israel; Jew is a subset of Israel (Samaritans are Israelites but not Jewish, e.g.). Staples's argument is that for Paul the prophetic hope is for the whole house of Israel (both houses) to be restored (resurrected). Jews come from the southern kingdom while "Israel" also Ephraim refer to the the northern kingdom. The prophetic promises are for the restoration of both houses of the broader category of Israel. Your reference to Ezekiel 37 prompted me to write! For Paul it is not Israel + Gentiles but only "all Israel" that will be saved. But--what got Paul into trouble with his fellow Jews, Israel now includes now former Gentiles who believe in the resurrected Messiah Jesus. They do not become Jews (and so need to be circumcised in the flesh) but Israelites who have a circumcision of the heart done by the spirit. Romans 11: 25 says, "I want you to understand this mystery: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until *the full number of the Gentiles* has come in." The part of Israel that is harden is contemporary Jews (the folk of the southern kingdom) BUT (new to me and to many scholars too!) "the full number of the Gentiles" (says Staples) is from Gen. 48:19. Staples: "The phrase 'the fullness of the nations" [he added LXX Greek here] is a word-for-word rendering of the odd Hebrew phrase [he added Hebrew here]..." Staples argues that this phrase in Rom. 11:25 refers to the northern tribe of Israel/Ephraim. The Gen 48 passage is Jacob's preferences of Ephraim over firstborn to Joseph of Manasseh. Jacob the younger of his brother Esau was chosen and now Jacob choses the younger Ephraim over his brother. Staples's argument is that for Paul, the hope he longs for is the full restoration/resurrection of Israel and that is how the Gentiles are to be understood--they inherit the covenant promises *as former Gentiles now Israelites* by faith in Messiah Jesus. I think you will love the rich depths of Staples's book. His first book (Cambridge, 2021) was on 2nd-Temple understanding of Jew and Israel. Anyway, I love your channel and commend this Staples book for your exploration.
@@briandoak (xiii-xiv) *I often imagine Pauline interpretation as akin to putting together a jigsaw puzzle to best represent the image sketched out by Paul's letters. As I see it, the dominant paradigms for Pauline interpretation have tended to start by putting the "easy" pieces (e.g., "justification by faith") together only to discover that several seemingly extraneous pieces don't seem to fit the reconstructed image at the end. Romans 2 and 9-11 have proven especially difficult to fit into common paradigms of Paul's theology, with some going so far as to suggest that these sections do not in fact represent the apostle's thought or that Paul was simply self contradictory. But in my experience, when a few pieces remain on the table at the end, it usually means some part of the puzzle has been wrongly put together. This book represents my attempt to do exactly that. Rather than beginning from consensus paradigms built on the seemingly easier passages and then trying to account for why certain passages fit so poorly, I have started from what are widely regarded as the most difficult and anomalous sections of the Pauline corpus. The idea is that by establishing the proper places for the most difficult pieces, the rest can more easily snap into place around them. Ultimately, if my argument here is correct, the reason these difficult chapters have fit so poorly with modern reconstructions of Paul's theology is that those modern reconstructions have built on faulty foundational assumptions, resulting in numerous loose ends. In other words, the primary problem in Pauline interpretation has not been what we don't know - it's that much of what we've thought we know isn't so."* (xiii-xiv)
I see you and Jason swimming in the same waters. Jason did his PhD under Bart Ehrman. Ehrman is absent in his second book. You can of course video Staples on videos about this book. The book is a fun read and I'm now going through it again. I emailed him suggesting his 3rd book should be taking this into Jesus and the Gospels/Acts. As I read the book my mind naturally went to Jesus and the Gospels. For example, Staples deals with the Samaritans in his book as those of Ephraim. In John 4 we read that Jesus had to go through Samaria. The Samaritan woman is not Jewish and doesn't pretend to be, but she claimed to be an Israelite too (from her father Jacob). One day Jesus will restore the kingdom. Btw, Staples noted that the apostle Paul saw the Gentiles coming in as evidence that God's fulfillment of the promise to restore the entire house of Israel as having begun with the risen Messiah Jesus. And again, Paul's hope is for "all Israel" to be saved. Enough of saying more in comments, other than to say, you as a OT scholar will enjoy the Hebrew and 2nd-T literature reviewed. Thanks.
Haha Ok I will tell you a secret: I'm a terrible guitar player! One of those I've had since college; another (the most expense/best one, the Gibson) I inherited from a close friend who died; and the other two I bought telling myself I would practice more and get better but never did.
The last Prophet was Yeshua. Anyone since Him prophesies only by His Spirit, through faith in Him. Spirit is Yeshua, too. John the Baptist was the greatest prophet and yet the least IN THE KINGDOM is greater than John. How? We have Him! Jesus & Father in His Spirit IN ME! HALLELUJAH! Jeremiah 31:31-35. Who's born-again anymore? The right-wing Pentecostals, Conservatives? They've lifted up EVIL? They're anti-gay, anti-women, anti-immigrant BIGOTS. God gave them up! 2Thess2. Left-wing is as lost. It's all idolatry of the Image and the Beast. We're born-again by faith in Jesus. Faith comes by HEARING THE WORD! Nobody listens anymore, because they all worship the Beast. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. Jesus quoted Leviticus 19:18. Love your neighbor. Fighting immigrants, women’s, LGBTQ rights is breaking the ONE LAW in Christ. Jesus is coming soon for this born-again gay stoner Jew while most Christians are left behind because of bigotry, greed, idolatry and lies. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus
Thank you--I am energized to read this book by Brueggemann--and the Staples discussed in the comments.
Love your channel, praise God 🎉❤
Thank you so much!
Well explained
Love it. Brueggemann's book too. Have you had time to engage an amazing book by Jason Staples, Paul and Resurrection of Israel: Jews, Former Gentiles, Israelites (Cambridge University Press, 2024)? He notices Paul (and other 2nd-T Jewish writers) distinguish Jew from Israel; Jew is a subset of Israel (Samaritans are Israelites but not Jewish, e.g.). Staples's argument is that for Paul the prophetic hope is for the whole house of Israel (both houses) to be restored (resurrected). Jews come from the southern kingdom while "Israel" also Ephraim refer to the the northern kingdom. The prophetic promises are for the restoration of both houses of the broader category of Israel. Your reference to Ezekiel 37 prompted me to write! For Paul it is not Israel + Gentiles but only "all Israel" that will be saved. But--what got Paul into trouble with his fellow Jews, Israel now includes now former Gentiles who believe in the resurrected Messiah Jesus. They do not become Jews (and so need to be circumcised in the flesh) but Israelites who have a circumcision of the heart done by the spirit. Romans 11: 25 says, "I want you to understand this mystery: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until *the full number of the Gentiles* has come in." The part of Israel that is harden is contemporary Jews (the folk of the southern kingdom) BUT (new to me and to many scholars too!) "the full number of the Gentiles" (says Staples) is from Gen. 48:19. Staples: "The phrase 'the fullness of the nations" [he added LXX Greek here] is a word-for-word rendering of the odd Hebrew phrase [he added Hebrew here]..." Staples argues that this phrase in Rom. 11:25 refers to the northern tribe of Israel/Ephraim. The Gen 48 passage is Jacob's preferences of Ephraim over firstborn to Joseph of Manasseh. Jacob the younger of his brother Esau was chosen and now Jacob choses the younger Ephraim over his brother. Staples's argument is that for Paul, the hope he longs for is the full restoration/resurrection of Israel and that is how the Gentiles are to be understood--they inherit the covenant promises *as former Gentiles now Israelites* by faith in Messiah Jesus. I think you will love the rich depths of Staples's book. His first book (Cambridge, 2021) was on 2nd-Temple understanding of Jew and Israel. Anyway, I love your channel and commend this Staples book for your exploration.
Hey this is so great - thank you for this recommendation, I would love to pick up this book and read it!
@@briandoak (xiii-xiv) *I often imagine Pauline interpretation as akin to putting together a jigsaw puzzle to best represent the image sketched out by Paul's letters. As I see it, the dominant paradigms for Pauline interpretation have tended to start by putting the "easy" pieces (e.g., "justification by faith") together only to discover that several seemingly extraneous pieces don't seem to fit the reconstructed image at the end. Romans 2 and 9-11 have proven especially difficult to fit into common paradigms of Paul's theology, with some going so far as to suggest that these sections do not in fact represent the apostle's thought or that Paul was simply self contradictory. But in my experience, when a few pieces remain on the table at the end, it usually means some part of the puzzle has been wrongly put together. This book represents my attempt to do exactly that. Rather than beginning from consensus paradigms built on the seemingly easier passages and then trying to account for why certain passages fit so poorly, I have started from what are widely regarded as the most difficult and anomalous sections of the Pauline corpus. The idea is that by establishing the proper places for the most difficult pieces, the rest can more easily snap into place around them. Ultimately, if my argument here is correct, the reason these difficult chapters have fit so poorly with modern reconstructions of Paul's theology is that those modern reconstructions have built on faulty foundational assumptions, resulting in numerous loose ends. In other words, the primary problem in Pauline interpretation has not been what we don't know - it's that much of what we've thought we know isn't so."* (xiii-xiv)
@@briandoak Below is from his Preface.
@@ds61821 really good stuff
I see you and Jason swimming in the same waters. Jason did his PhD under Bart Ehrman. Ehrman is absent in his second book. You can of course video Staples on videos about this book. The book is a fun read and I'm now going through it again. I emailed him suggesting his 3rd book should be taking this into Jesus and the Gospels/Acts. As I read the book my mind naturally went to Jesus and the Gospels. For example, Staples deals with the Samaritans in his book as those of Ephraim. In John 4 we read that Jesus had to go through Samaria. The Samaritan woman is not Jewish and doesn't pretend to be, but she claimed to be an Israelite too (from her father Jacob). One day Jesus will restore the kingdom. Btw, Staples noted that the apostle Paul saw the Gentiles coming in as evidence that God's fulfillment of the promise to restore the entire house of Israel as having begun with the risen Messiah Jesus. And again, Paul's hope is for "all Israel" to be saved. Enough of saying more in comments, other than to say, you as a OT scholar will enjoy the Hebrew and 2nd-T literature reviewed. Thanks.
Okay, quit teasing us with those guitars in the background. Just grab one & scrub off a tune for us.
Haha Ok I will tell you a secret: I'm a terrible guitar player! One of those I've had since college; another (the most expense/best one, the Gibson) I inherited from a close friend who died; and the other two I bought telling myself I would practice more and get better but never did.
@@briandoak not being good doesn't stop me.
Btw, l enjoy listening to you. Praying God helps us all see where we are. Revelation 18:4 is calling.
Thanks so much!!
The last Prophet was Yeshua. Anyone since Him prophesies only by His Spirit, through faith in Him. Spirit is Yeshua, too. John the Baptist was the greatest prophet and yet the least IN THE KINGDOM is greater than John. How? We have Him! Jesus & Father in His Spirit IN ME! HALLELUJAH! Jeremiah 31:31-35. Who's born-again anymore? The right-wing Pentecostals, Conservatives? They've lifted up EVIL? They're anti-gay, anti-women, anti-immigrant BIGOTS. God gave them up! 2Thess2. Left-wing is as lost. It's all idolatry of the Image and the Beast. We're born-again by faith in Jesus. Faith comes by HEARING THE WORD! Nobody listens anymore, because they all worship the Beast. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. Jesus quoted Leviticus 19:18. Love your neighbor. Fighting immigrants, women’s, LGBTQ rights is breaking the ONE LAW in Christ. Jesus is coming soon for this born-again gay stoner Jew while most Christians are left behind because of bigotry, greed, idolatry and lies. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus