The slug princess seem to talk in a mix of ancient Greek, Latin and Backward English. Some of the recognizable words are: Agos: to compete, to achieve a feat or to act in Ancient Greek Nox: night, Blindness to be unable to see Pharos: a blinding light, or a light in complete darkness Incuria: hyronically, in Latin Cura indicate a worried state or something that induce a state of suffering in a person. Even if the term Incuria is Grammatically wrong, we can do a big leap of logic and think that If incuria is the correct word spoke by the princess, she’s talking about an absence of preoccupation, or something on that line. The context of her apparent nonsense is something on the line of The blinding light that cover up the Struggle to reach the eldritch truth, and how ignorance of the dark truths of the cosmos is a blessing she envy. I think that the princess is saying something about the blessed state of mortals, blinded and lacking the Eyes to see the Eldritch truth, and Discouraging the player from searching insight and the grieving madness she carry
Is no one going to talk about Gascoigne's shiver-inducing snarl?? Would've worked perfectly in the game, showing just how close he was to succumbing to the beast
Either that, or this was a concept recording spoken by the writers to get a general feel for the, well, feel of the voice lines. Or Mico's voice actor before he got the nasally, sneering final voice down
Gehrman's cut dialogue is interesting. It seems to point out how he was probably the one to set fire to the house in the Hunter's Dream at the end of the game, knowing that the end was near and Gehrman knowing the sinister nature of the Hunter's Dream. And it also seems to confirm that the Moon Presence is actually called Flora. Which before was just speculation in part of the Doll mentioning "Flora of the Moon, of the Dream".
None of this dialogue confirms anything - they decided to remove it. It points towards what you were saying being the original plan, but it's not fair at all to speculate with content the creators decided wasn't canon.
@An Orange Fellow Well but its obvious that the Moon Presence is called Flora. Even if this was cut, it doesnt matter. The Doll dialogue about Flora of the MOON is in the final game and this cut part pretty much confirms that the Doll was talking about the Moon Presence.
Yes, that's fair, but not that it is the NAME of the Moon Presence. Very intentionally - OBVIOUSLY intentionally, the makers of the game decided it was better to not give the Moon Presence a name. They are simply a presence of the moon that we interpret and are spoken to by in different ways. Saying "Oh that's Bob, the Moon Presence" takes away hugely from what they were going for.
Of course it confirms it. You may not cosider it cannon as its not in the final game, but the way Miyazaki works is plotting a full story and taking chunks off to make it really vague so you have to fill in the blanks and make your own story. This fills blanks in an "official" kind of way.
No, you are wrong. Things are cut from games for all sorts of reasons - do you really think the creators of the game are stupid enough and hacky enough writers that they named a character and then said "let's take the name away, for no reason, to be obtuse?" That isn't how writing works - they made a conscious decision to not allocate the Moon Presence a name. If you think that's the sole reason they took out the name "Flora" then you think the game's writers are lazy hacks. By all means, tell me why concept art, cut textures and filenames are canon, too. Surely the creators of the game removed those elements just to be ambiguous?
Flora, of the moon? Like how to doll prays to Flora. Is it the moon presence? Is this confirming that Gherman and Laurence made contact with Flora to create the dream? Ooooooh whats that smell?, deepest lore.....its enough to make a man sick
It certainly lends credence to the idea - I think it was removed to make the story more ambiguous. It's more in-line with the atmosphere and tone the game set out to achieve if things aren't quite as clear-cut as this dialogue makes it seem. I think at one point, they also decided that Laurence wouldn't be as connected to the dream as he seems to be here. I think that's more interesting, having multiple factions.
There are theories that says that Gherman was a prospector, student of Byrgenwerth and maybe the discoverer of the miraclous blood, the one that make him a hunter.
"Flora will return from the moon"... So, is confirmed that the moon precense name is Flora now. The Doll call her "Flora of the moon" in the finished game some times.
naruevannote that's a rare dialogue .I think it's like "O, FLORA OF THE MOON , OF THE DREAM . O LITTLE ONES, O FLEETING WILL OF THE ANCIENTS LET THE HUNETER BE SAFE ". I am not sure .
SeSqUePEdaliOn ZiNNer It is rare and I think it only triggers after the moon has gone red. As to her prayer there is a little more to it. But you did get most of it. It was something about the dream for telling a pleasant awaking, I think. Been a bit since I really listened to her prayer.
Zeph Refcar I guess so, I just like mico more as someone whom is still slightly sane but with madness slowly cracking him. But the in game mico is also really cool
It would've been a lot better if you met him as a normal person who sounded more like this at first, only to go batshit crazy during the boss. I feel like a lot of the cut content is supposed to imply you were supposed to meet these bosses as npcs while they were still somewhat sane, only to end up killing them once they went crazy and became bosses
The Amazing Phoenix That Doll saw Gehrman getting older and we're not the first hunter they saw. The moon presence must have appear before she chosed Gehrman as a host.
I kind of get the feeling that the player was supposed to be Laurence in the original draft, but we would have lost our memory. Either that or Gherman mistakes us for for Laurence in the end.
That's what I was thinking as well. Maybe Gehrman's going completely mad, and we get some item from Laurence in the waking world that would trigger that final stage.
That actually makes sense. It explains why you relive the memory after touching the skull, and why you encounter Laurence in the Nightmare and find his actual skull but also him in Cleric Beast form, being burnt. In the beginning of the game, you get the transfusion and you encounter your inner beast (which to me always represented sickness) in a nightmarish scene. Then your inner beast burns up in flames as you are healed from your sickness. The Hunters are almost like antibodies, cleansing Yharnam (the body) from sickness. If the protagonist is indeed Laurence, that would carry even more weight.
Judging from Micolash dialogue,its seems that Micolash real body survived the Mensis ritual,although his mind is already going insane. Also, i think by the time the hunter arrived,somehow his consciousness are still not fully transferred to the Mensis nightmare
1:06 This is by far the most amazing, chilling, crazy, menacing line in all Bloodborne. My favorite without a doubt and i can't stop listening to it. The voice sounds too different from the on in the game, I wonder if it's the same actor.
So the actual plan of Gherman and Laurence was to create the dream as a safe haven for hunters so they can keep their sanity and stop the scourge.....and when it's completely stopped then gherman would wait for laurence to show up in the dream and fight each other in order to take Gherman's place.....looks like Laurence wanted what Gherman had but he was too late as he was trapped in Hunter's Nightmare
With all this cut Umbasa dialogue, I am starting to think that Bloodborne and Demon Souls took place in one and the same world with Bloodborne being just in the future after the end of Demon Souls.
The way Gascoigne says it here doesnt sound like a placeholder at all. It makes sense to say "May you rest in peace, Umbasa" cause Umbasa is usually used after a prayer similar to "amen".
Pretty sure that From has stated that none of the games are chronologically connected. Stuff like Patches and the MLGS are closer to being easter eggs than anything else.
I'm really sad so many lines of Gascoigne were cut. They were really good and really gave you a bolster on his character. He's so cool and his whole family has such a sad story.
The two most important things. *Kosm. Or some say Kos* . What does that mean? WHAT ARE THE IMPLUKASHUNS VAATI?!?!? second, Gherman and Laurence's true plan together that would end with a fight to the death and the victor being consumed (I don't think it's like in the ending we get set in the wheelchair) by the Moon Presence *WHOSE NAME IS NOW CONFIRMED AS FLORA* and all dreams burn down, ending all worlds. *WHAT!?*
NOTHING IS CONFIRMED. This is CUT dialogue, that reveals NOTHING. The makers of the game CHOSE to remove it - anything the creator DIDN'T WANT IN THE GAME can't be considered canon. Otherwise we could say concept art is canon.
Remember, "flora" is a general term for plant-life that's indigenous or native to a particular region. Here, it could easily refer to plant-like growth that's native to the moon -- I'm thinking along the lines of cauliflower-head-like growths, etc. It also comes from Latin, where "flos" means "flower", so it could refer to flowers (found in Hunter's Dream, at the Celestial Emissary boss, and at the Living Failures boss in the DLC). Finally, there was a roman goddess of flowers and Spring names Flora. [/wikip]
Imagine if Micolash was still alive (somehow) and he became an ally since he doesn't remember anything, so we can send him to a cathedral ward (or give him to Iosefka) but slowly falling back into insanity before being a mini-boss in the area before the room with the door nobody can open?
we seriously don't!! you guys gotta stop with this "game, gooood! direct sequel, waaant!" Bloodborne told everything the story of Yharnam had to tell. Anything else would either just repeat the same themes or explain stuff more than it should and ruin its mystery/mystique. we know of the blood, we know of the hunters, we know of the night of hunt, we know of the dreams. there is nothing new to be said in this. another night of the hunt? in a different city? more of the yharnam we know? it's done, guys.
Flora... Coldblood flowers.... Paleblood..... Adorrent Beast... Dreams.... Moon Scented Hunter......Iosefka Blood Vial before Mergos boss room...... I feel a writhing connecting in my head but I can't make it out!!
“Let us sit about and speak feverishly.. Chatting, into the wee hours.. OF MY WONDERFUL NIGHTMARE!” This dialogue isn’t even in the game and this is one of the most iconic lines for me lmao
I love what we got though, how micolash VA is quiet and creepy in his delivery “let us sit about and speak feverishly about new ideas of the higher planes”
That first line from the Slug Princess, "Vereus Nox", is said by the priestess lady that Petrus betrays in Dark Souls. When she moves to the chapel in the Undead Parish, every time you end a conversation with her she says "Vereus Nox."
That Micolash line about the wonderful nightmare is just brilliant. I'm not going to think too hard about how all of this interacts with the game we got, but I'll definitely miss that line next time I play the game and kill Mico.
With Umbasa's presence, and those knight-ish equipment and enemies, I think it's more reasonable to assume that at certain point Project Beast was meant to be directly linked to Demon's Soul, but this idea was scrapted at some points.
unlikely, it's probably just a callback (like patches, which is originally from armored core, or the moonlight sword that appears in nearly every game)
Oh well you see, right now in game you only got wooden serves as a joke-equipment, and only in the Old Hunter we got an acutally functional shield (Loch Shield). But in the previous data minning video Sanadsk posted, there are more than 1 equipable shield that looks legit, along with weapons with no transformation ability (Aka not a trick weapon) in company with those shield. That means at certain point Project Beast was design very much like a Soul-game, or at least that branch was a viable option in company with newly-added trick weapon. This, along with the fact that Umbasa, a direct reference to Demon's Soul, made me believe that at some point, Project Beast was likely to be a loose-sequal to Demon's Soul.
Ok so Gehrman absoloutely despises the Hunter's Dream way more than I thought he did. I thought it was hate in a frightful manner, but it's more of an angry hate. And more about his plan with Laurence, which obviously didn't work out as intended. But what sort of plan requires two people to fight to the death so that the winner can be 'consumed'? He talk of Laurence as if he is capable of putting up a fight. I'd assume that Geheman would destroy Laurence in a heartbeat, being a hunter and all. Laurence was a cleric, but as was Ludwig's case, you can be both a cleric and a hunter simultaneously. Perhaps Laurence was a hunter too? Probably not, or mentions of him hunting with Ludwig would have been around. But it's a curious mention. And what would 'consume' them? The Moon Presence? Though the great ones don't really have sex's and genders like humans do, the statue in the workshop depicts a female character. A character which may or may not represent the Moon Presence, or just the moon. It's possible that nobody, Gehrman included, ever saw the Moon Presence in person. And that they just knew that the moon had something to do with the creation of the hunter's dream. This would make the female character represent the moon, and likely a patron of the hunt. It would make sense for early hunters to pray to this figure, not knowing the truth of the being behind it. But Gehrman mentions burning the dream to the ground, as if that was part of his plan with Laurence all along. I still want to know what this plan was. It's the one thing about the hunters that we still need to figure out. Gehrman and Laurence were up to something grand, but what the hell was it?
Well Laurence is on flames when you meet him. So you're on to something. Gherman calls out to Laurence when he drems. So their plan is mostly canon I would assume, but just not included and finnished, as there still is parts of it in vanilla game. Maybe their plan went wrong, gherman got locked up in the dream as punishment and Laurence was put ablace.
Erik Norman It seems like we were meant to be laurence and not a custom character. And the cut ending probably was a fight with gerhmen and the winner (which is us) gets absorbed by the moon presence. And the secret ending was that you use the umbilical cords and resist getting eaten thus fighting the moon presence.
Erik Norman Gehrman tells Laurence that he's not fit for the role anymore and that he's too old for it in his sleep. I think it's likely that Gehrman trapping himself in the dream was intended, but Laurence was meant to do something on the outside in the meantime. But for some reason he fell to beasthood before he could accomplish his goal, leaving Gehrman trapped.
Another language more likely. I recognized a few of the words. Well, one of the words she kept repeating. I think she was saying something about night. I believe it is Latin but will bow to someone who is actually learned in that language.
I noticed that the voice actor for Micolash in the cut content is completely different. shot in the dark here but perhaps it was supposed to be a younger Micolash? maybe Fromsoftware wanted to do the same vision of the past thing like with Laurence and Willem???
Bloodborne is totally Demon's Souls in the future. The Old One was either a or THE Great One, and at the end, you remove soul arts ("arcane" arts, so to speak) from the world. Technology and medicine rises and we get to Bloodborne.
You get the Beast Soul at the end of Demons & Bloodborne was originally called Project Beast, so it was probably Beast Souls at one point like Dark Souls was Project Dark.
Uh. Was the player supposed to secretly be Laurence? That's the only thing that makes any kind of sense for the last bit of dialogue Gehrman has here. Unless it's multiple separate lines, but then that implies that at one point Gehrman and the Hunter knowingly made a deal where it was explained that the Moon Presence was gonna come and eat them once it was all over. I like how Micolash went from kinda sane but really tired to raving madman in an instant. Like how over the top he was in the actual game more though.
No. Gehrman already addresses Laurence in the game while he sleeps. It is more than likely just an alternate death dialogue, calling for him as he vanishes.
I like this Micolash. If you were to meet him like this your first impression would be of a crazy dude wearing a cage on his head yet slumped over in a chair... seemingly harmless. Then he speaks so politely and softly. Lulling you into a false sense of security and camaraderie: he understands. He's also seen too much. He's scared too... Come spend some much needed time with a kindred spirit... and then the full insanity unleashes and holy shit I would have fallen out of my chair.
Flora, the Presence of The Moon. The Moon Presence is not a he, but a she. As is Rom, who she too became a great one. As is Ebritas, as is Kos. The most prominate Great ones are female
Three things: First voice actor shares lines with Micholash but is obviously not the same voice actor (I think it is Laurence's voice actor but cannot be certain, maybe he was suppose to be the "host of the nightmare" before?) This gives us the name of the moon presence :O like omg Sanadsk.... thanks a million times over for this, truly epic moment for Bloodborne lore!! Thanks! The slug princess speaks in reverse as you probably too figured out. Would be cool to hear what she says when reversed back.
I interpret this dialogue as Gehrman having detached from reality (well, even more than previously), and he’s started *believing* that he’s talking to Laurence, when he is actually talking to the player character.
When you play with the "randomizer mod" you can hear a lot of discarded dialogues that appear randomly, some I have not found in deleted/discarded content videos
Hey just a question does anyone else think that since by the time we saw Lawrence (a skull in the main cathedral) that since he has been dead for so long him and Gehrman could never have the duel and thus Flora (moon presence) kept the dream alive? This could also be way the messengers choose you because they've been looking for a proper human to take on Gehrman for the moon presence to see if Gehrman was worth it's time or the good hunter was worth it's time.
The other cut dialogue by Blood Minister mentions you getting "special blood" - maybe it's in fact Lawrences? Even though he's already dead, through you they finally get the duel they wanted.
In this case it could mean both and it would fit 100%, what with the Night of the Hunt and of course all the noteworthy NPCs having their eyes bandaged.
It's interesting right? Because Father Gascoigne and someone else I don't remember right now says "Umbasa", which is a reference to the religion of Demon Souls... But Vereor Nox was a saying in the Way of the White in Dark Souls. I'm sure that these audios were cut for a reason, but if the reason is that they reveal too much instead of just being unfit content, that pretty much connects all the games through religion, which is one thing that is present in all of them. And who is always there to hate on the clergy? Patches.
What? No, he's not talking about fighting Laurence. He talks to the protagonist. He's just talking to Laurence like he's doing when he's sleeping. Maybe he also projects Laurence's memory onto you and thinks of you as Laurence.
I like to believe that German's dialogue at 3:45 is for hinting the player how has been shackled to the dream by the moon presence for who knows how long as he literally chokes when he tries to say that he is "free".
It sounds like you originally could find and talk to Micolash before defeating Rom, possibly the entire area of the Hidden Village was accessible before the blood moon. Maybe after defeating Rom you would kill Micolash (easily) and then enter his nightmare.
Flora = Authority Existential themes, Hunter overcomes authority into the burdensome freedom of the Eldritch truth but as a being that can comprehend it
NPC Micolash sounds pretty chii- *YAAAAAAAAAAAH*
Kos? Kosm?
what does he says ¿? before the screech of the wonderful nightmare ¿?
The "wonderful nightmare" line could be used in a trailer.
0:36 "Ah, Kosm, or some say Kos"
Wait that's illegal
"Chatting till the wee hours... OF MY WONDERFUL NIGHTMARE!!! AAAAAAAAAARGHH!!! AAAAAAARGHHH!!!!"
Genuinely frightened me... D:
Rorik Savant I wish they used that
1:11 is a big mood
Hold up you watch BloodBorne I guess you play some Fromsoftware games
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Micolash's crazed scream is just perfect. It fits his character so well I don't understand why it was cut.
I think that dialogue was with a different voice actor than the final one.
The slug princess seem to talk in a mix of ancient Greek, Latin and Backward English.
Some of the recognizable words are:
Agos: to compete, to achieve a feat or to act in Ancient Greek
Nox: night, Blindness to be unable to see
Pharos: a blinding light, or a light in complete darkness
Incuria: hyronically, in Latin Cura indicate a worried state or something that induce a state of suffering in a person. Even if the term Incuria is Grammatically wrong, we can do a big leap of logic and think that If incuria is the correct word spoke by the princess, she’s talking about an absence of preoccupation, or something on that line.
The context of her apparent nonsense is something on the line of The blinding light that cover up the Struggle to reach the eldritch truth, and how ignorance of the dark truths of the cosmos is a blessing she envy.
I think that the princess is saying something about the blessed state of mortals, blinded and lacking the Eyes to see the Eldritch truth, and Discouraging the player from searching insight and the grieving madness she carry
You truly have 99 insight my mans
Rykia Harada You need to be top comment.
Superblamblamman , just ask if u want some mate
thank u! i was hoping someone would figure out what she was saying :D
Porrim Maryam hahahah, it’s just a guess... it would be nice to have a cleaner version of the track to dissect precisely
Is no one going to talk about Gascoigne's shiver-inducing snarl?? Would've worked perfectly in the game, showing just how close he was to succumbing to the beast
It sounds like Micolash had a completely different voice actor, originally.
Either that, or this was a concept recording spoken by the writers to get a general feel for the, well, feel of the voice lines. Or Mico's voice actor before he got the nasally, sneering final voice down
I much prefer this voice actor than the one we got
It was. There were 2 different voice actors, there's a video that shows their full dialogue if you search for it.
@@adamb4140the one we got is way better lmao best VA in the game
@@Mojj2099yeah the old one sounds too much like Laurence in my opinion
Made me like micolash much more
TRAITOR!!!
Yeuaagaaaahhhh!!!
Gehrman's cut dialogue is interesting. It seems to point out how he was probably the one to set fire to the house in the Hunter's Dream at the end of the game, knowing that the end was near and Gehrman knowing the sinister nature of the Hunter's Dream. And it also seems to confirm that the Moon Presence is actually called Flora. Which before was just speculation in part of the Doll mentioning "Flora of the Moon, of the Dream".
None of this dialogue confirms anything - they decided to remove it. It points towards what you were saying being the original plan, but it's not fair at all to speculate with content the creators decided wasn't canon.
@An Orange Fellow Well but its obvious that the Moon Presence is called Flora. Even if this was cut, it doesnt matter. The Doll dialogue about Flora of the MOON is in the final game and this cut part pretty much confirms that the Doll was talking about the Moon Presence.
Yes, that's fair, but not that it is the NAME of the Moon Presence. Very intentionally - OBVIOUSLY intentionally, the makers of the game decided it was better to not give the Moon Presence a name. They are simply a presence of the moon that we interpret and are spoken to by in different ways. Saying "Oh that's Bob, the Moon Presence" takes away hugely from what they were going for.
Of course it confirms it. You may not cosider it cannon as its not in the final game, but the way Miyazaki works is plotting a full story and taking chunks off to make it really vague so you have to fill in the blanks and make your own story. This fills blanks in an "official" kind of way.
No, you are wrong.
Things are cut from games for all sorts of reasons - do you really think the creators of the game are stupid enough and hacky enough writers that they named a character and then said "let's take the name away, for no reason, to be obtuse?" That isn't how writing works - they made a conscious decision to not allocate the Moon Presence a name. If you think that's the sole reason they took out the name "Flora" then you think the game's writers are lazy hacks.
By all means, tell me why concept art, cut textures and filenames are canon, too. Surely the creators of the game removed those elements just to be ambiguous?
Flora, of the moon? Like how to doll prays to Flora. Is it the moon presence? Is this confirming that Gherman and Laurence made contact with Flora to create the dream? Ooooooh whats that smell?, deepest lore.....its enough to make a man sick
It certainly lends credence to the idea - I think it was removed to make the story more ambiguous. It's more in-line with the atmosphere and tone the game set out to achieve if things aren't quite as clear-cut as this dialogue makes it seem.
I think at one point, they also decided that Laurence wouldn't be as connected to the dream as he seems to be here. I think that's more interesting, having multiple factions.
Le_Furfag Gherman worked for the other 2. Most likely as a bodyguard for Byrgenwerth and the expeditions to the Pthumerian catacombs.
There are theories that says that Gherman was a prospector, student of Byrgenwerth and maybe the discoverer of the miraclous blood, the one that make him a hunter.
Zan bato it was confirmed in the doll workshop
D E E P E S T
3:45 epic performance by the voice actor .. too bad this was not in the final cut
Joseph what about 1:10 ?
Not epic, it ruins the character.
He sounds different from his ingame voices
wtf I love Micolash now
"Flora will return from the moon"...
So, is confirmed that the moon precense name is Flora now.
The Doll call her "Flora of the moon" in the finished game some times.
naruevannote AGS confirmed this back when the game releases dude
naruevannote that's a rare dialogue .I think it's like "O, FLORA OF THE MOON , OF THE DREAM . O LITTLE ONES, O FLEETING WILL OF THE ANCIENTS LET THE HUNETER BE SAFE ". I am not sure .
SeSqUePEdaliOn ZiNNer It is rare and I think it only triggers after the moon has gone red. As to her prayer there is a little more to it. But you did get most of it. It was something about the dream for telling a pleasant awaking, I think. Been a bit since I really listened to her prayer.
Flora could be used literally, as in "the flowers of the moon"
Flora of the moon makes me think of flowers of the moon. Flowers held a lot of symbolism later on, especially with Lady Maria.
Dam I much prefer the cut micolash, he definitely would have worked better as an npc
Harvey Jack Olden Are you on drugs? The ingame Micolash is scores better than this one, both in words and performance.
Zeph Refcar I guess so, I just like mico more as someone whom is still slightly sane but with madness slowly cracking him.
But the in game mico is also really cool
It would've been a lot better if you met him as a normal person who sounded more like this at first, only to go batshit crazy during the boss. I feel like a lot of the cut content is supposed to imply you were supposed to meet these bosses as npcs while they were still somewhat sane, only to end up killing them once they went crazy and became bosses
@Heart of Chaos Dark Souls 2 only has Aldia and Nashandra, the final bosses.
My Micoboi got so much lore.
Chatting into the wee hours of my WONDERFUL NIGHTMARE WEAAAARGH. WEAAAAAARGH.
Gascoigne's snarl is so cool. I wonder why they decided against it
They probably wanted the whole beast turn to be a complete surprise on your first playthrough.
Because Twitter wouldn't be able to handle it
"Every last dreams will burn out, and Flora will return from the moon" ..oh, quite an interesting bit of information.
"oh flora of the moon" oh shit......that doll knows some shit
The Amazing Phoenix That Doll saw Gehrman getting older and we're not the first hunter they saw. The moon presence must have appear before she chosed Gehrman as a host.
My god,the voice acting is so amazing.
I kind of get the feeling that the player was supposed to be Laurence in the original draft, but we would have lost our memory.
Either that or Gherman mistakes us for for Laurence in the end.
That's what I was thinking as well. Maybe Gehrman's going completely mad, and we get some item from Laurence in the waking world that would trigger that final stage.
That actually makes sense. It explains why you relive the memory after touching the skull, and why you encounter Laurence in the Nightmare and find his actual skull but also him in Cleric Beast form, being burnt. In the beginning of the game, you get the transfusion and you encounter your inner beast (which to me always represented sickness) in a nightmarish scene. Then your inner beast burns up in flames as you are healed from your sickness.
The Hunters are almost like antibodies, cleansing Yharnam (the body) from sickness. If the protagonist is indeed Laurence, that would carry even more weight.
Gehrman already talks or refers to Laurence in his sleep. Likely just an alternate death line.
Venom "Lawrence" Snake
@@iWillWakeYouUp If hunters are antibodies they would then be produced by white bloodcells or in other words "Paleblood"
Judging from Micolash dialogue,its seems that Micolash real body survived the Mensis ritual,although his mind is already going insane.
Also, i think by the time the hunter arrived,somehow his consciousness are still not fully transferred to the Mensis nightmare
1:06 my favorite dialogue by far
*INSIGHT INTENSIFIES*
1:06 This is by far the most amazing, chilling, crazy, menacing line in all Bloodborne. My favorite without a doubt and i can't stop listening to it. The voice sounds too different from the on in the game, I wonder if it's the same actor.
God i
Absolutely adore Micolash's voice in this-
So the actual plan of Gherman and Laurence was to create the dream as a safe haven for hunters so they can keep their sanity and stop the scourge.....and when it's completely stopped then gherman would wait for laurence to show up in the dream and fight each other in order to take Gherman's place.....looks like Laurence wanted what Gherman had but he was too late as he was trapped in Hunter's Nightmare
With all this cut Umbasa dialogue, I am starting to think that Bloodborne and Demon Souls took place in one and the same world with Bloodborne being just in the future after the end of Demon Souls.
Yeah, like patches and the moonlight sword..then every soulsborne game is connected
I'm fairly concerned someone who worked on the game that Umbasa was a placeholder line used for testing before the script was finished.
The way Gascoigne says it here doesnt sound like a placeholder at all. It makes sense to say "May you rest in peace, Umbasa" cause Umbasa is usually used after a prayer similar to "amen".
Pretty sure that From has stated that none of the games are chronologically connected. Stuff like Patches and the MLGS are closer to being easter eggs than anything else.
I'm really sad so many lines of Gascoigne were cut. They were really good and really gave you a bolster on his character. He's so cool and his whole family has such a sad story.
00:10 Nicolas Cage
alternative boss entrace/cut scene?
01:46 Slug Princess
02:19 Father Gascoine
Problem solved. Here it is: Umbasa
02:50 Gehrman
KK cute
Daddy Gascoigne*
I guess Micolash was supposed to be a friendly NPC you could even summon, but nooo they had to keep my fav as a crazy boss...
That snarl from daddy gascoigne rlly gave me goosebumps if u know what I mean😅❤
Micolash was REEEEEE-ing lmao
Borim Maibe I would too if normie hunters got into my nightmare.
chatting until the wee hours… OF MY WONDERFUL NIGHTMAAARE AAAAAAAAA AAAAAA
The two most important things.
*Kosm. Or some say Kos* . What does that mean? WHAT ARE THE IMPLUKASHUNS VAATI?!?!?
second,
Gherman and Laurence's true plan together that would end with a fight to the death and the victor being consumed (I don't think it's like in the ending we get set in the wheelchair) by the Moon Presence *WHOSE NAME IS NOW CONFIRMED AS FLORA* and all dreams burn down, ending all worlds. *WHAT!?*
"Kosm. Or some say Kos" is referring to the DLC mother Kos great one which we find dead at the beach.
No I am not RedEye from Reddit xD but thanks for the explanation. I feel stupid now.
Sorry, don't feel bad, it will be helpful for new players who want to Lore hunt =D
NOTHING IS CONFIRMED. This is CUT dialogue, that reveals NOTHING. The makers of the game CHOSE to remove it - anything the creator DIDN'T WANT IN THE GAME can't be considered canon. Otherwise we could say concept art is canon.
Remember, "flora" is a general term for plant-life that's indigenous or native to a particular region. Here, it could easily refer to plant-like growth that's native to the moon -- I'm thinking along the lines of cauliflower-head-like growths, etc. It also comes from Latin, where "flos" means "flower", so it could refer to flowers (found in Hunter's Dream, at the Celestial Emissary boss, and at the Living Failures boss in the DLC). Finally, there was a roman goddess of flowers and Spring names Flora. [/wikip]
Imagine if Micolash was still alive (somehow) and he became an ally since he doesn't remember anything, so we can send him to a cathedral ward (or give him to Iosefka) but slowly falling back into insanity before being a mini-boss in the area before the room with the door nobody can open?
That's a really cool idea.
"Oh Laurence, how magnificently the flame burns!"
majestic !!
Bloodborne = ASMR NPCs
So this is the actual Ryan Gage dialogue for Micolash? That's why he's credited with two VAs?
We seriously need a Bloodborne 2
Ahmed Al Misbah you notice this now...
we seriously don't!! you guys gotta stop with this "game, gooood! direct sequel, waaant!" Bloodborne told everything the story of Yharnam had to tell. Anything else would either just repeat the same themes or explain stuff more than it should and ruin its mystery/mystique.
we know of the blood, we know of the hunters, we know of the night of hunt, we know of the dreams. there is nothing new to be said in this. another night of the hunt? in a different city? more of the yharnam we know? it's done, guys.
Kazataca Alright give me more lovecraftian eldritch gothic horror from myazaki and I'll shut up, even when it doesn't have bloodborne in the title
Bloodborne 2 would perhaps be set somewhere other than Yharnam?
@@shinluis No
Flora... Coldblood flowers.... Paleblood..... Adorrent Beast... Dreams.... Moon Scented Hunter......Iosefka Blood Vial before Mergos boss room......
I feel a writhing connecting in my head but I can't make it out!!
You need more eyes, eyes for your brain.
So, what's up with these? We're they cut early, and thus were never given subtitles?
On another note, Micolash is a lot scarier with this dialogue..
however, his cut dialogues make him even more interesnting
Gherman went full Sidious with that laugh
“Let us sit about and speak feverishly.. Chatting, into the wee hours.. OF MY WONDERFUL NIGHTMARE!” This dialogue isn’t even in the game and this is one of the most iconic lines for me lmao
I love what we got though, how micolash VA is quiet and creepy in his delivery “let us sit about and speak feverishly about new ideas of the higher planes”
That first line from the Slug Princess, "Vereus Nox", is said by the priestess lady that Petrus betrays in Dark Souls.
When she moves to the chapel in the Undead Parish, every time you end a conversation with her she says "Vereus Nox."
1:14 the noises I made while chasing this guy around those damn halls
That Micolash line about the wonderful nightmare is just brilliant. I'm not going to think too hard about how all of this interacts with the game we got, but I'll definitely miss that line next time I play the game and kill Mico.
With Umbasa's presence, and those knight-ish equipment and enemies, I think it's more reasonable to assume that at certain point Project Beast was meant to be directly linked to Demon's Soul, but this idea was scrapted at some points.
unlikely, it's probably just a callback (like patches, which is originally from armored core, or the moonlight sword that appears in nearly every game)
You can also find functional shield in those datas, so I feel at one point it's more than just a call back.
Soye'kin The Hideaway function shield? What do you mean?
Oh well you see, right now in game you only got wooden serves as a joke-equipment, and only in the Old Hunter we got an acutally functional shield (Loch Shield).
But in the previous data minning video Sanadsk posted, there are more than 1 equipable shield that looks legit, along with weapons with no transformation ability (Aka not a trick weapon) in company with those shield. That means at certain point Project Beast was design very much like a Soul-game, or at least that branch was a viable option in company with newly-added trick weapon.
This, along with the fact that Umbasa, a direct reference to Demon's Soul, made me believe that at some point, Project Beast was likely to be a loose-sequal to Demon's Soul.
Soye'kin The Hideaway and originally there were no trick weapons, as well as there was actual armor
Is Slug Bae speaking in Latin or something?
I believe she speaks backwards
I believe she says Vereor Nox, which is latin
I think i prefer old man gehrman who lemented the hunt instead of this psychotic hunter who seems to have a hard on. But damn thats good.
He still lements the hunt, it's just it's driven him bonkers.
It makes sense that he would be raving mad, trapped in that small dream for as long as he has.
Ok so Gehrman absoloutely despises the Hunter's Dream way more than I thought he did. I thought it was hate in a frightful manner, but it's more of an angry hate.
And more about his plan with Laurence, which obviously didn't work out as intended. But what sort of plan requires two people to fight to the death so that the winner can be 'consumed'? He talk of Laurence as if he is capable of putting up a fight. I'd assume that Geheman would destroy Laurence in a heartbeat, being a hunter and all. Laurence was a cleric, but as was Ludwig's case, you can be both a cleric and a hunter simultaneously. Perhaps Laurence was a hunter too? Probably not, or mentions of him hunting with Ludwig would have been around. But it's a curious mention.
And what would 'consume' them? The Moon Presence? Though the great ones don't really have sex's and genders like humans do, the statue in the workshop depicts a female character. A character which may or may not represent the Moon Presence, or just the moon. It's possible that nobody, Gehrman included, ever saw the Moon Presence in person. And that they just knew that the moon had something to do with the creation of the hunter's dream. This would make the female character represent the moon, and likely a patron of the hunt. It would make sense for early hunters to pray to this figure, not knowing the truth of the being behind it.
But Gehrman mentions burning the dream to the ground, as if that was part of his plan with Laurence all along. I still want to know what this plan was. It's the one thing about the hunters that we still need to figure out. Gehrman and Laurence were up to something grand, but what the hell was it?
Well Laurence is on flames when you meet him. So you're on to something. Gherman calls out to Laurence when he drems. So their plan is mostly canon I would assume, but just not included and finnished, as there still is parts of it in vanilla game.
Maybe their plan went wrong, gherman got locked up in the dream as punishment and Laurence was put ablace.
Erik Norman It seems like we were meant to be laurence and not a custom character. And the cut ending probably was a fight with gerhmen and the winner (which is us) gets absorbed by the moon presence. And the secret ending was that you use the umbilical cords and resist getting eaten thus fighting the moon presence.
Erik Norman
Gehrman tells Laurence that he's not fit for the role anymore and that he's too old for it in his sleep. I think it's likely that Gehrman trapping himself in the dream was intended, but Laurence was meant to do something on the outside in the meantime. But for some reason he fell to beasthood before he could accomplish his goal, leaving Gehrman trapped.
Gerald Milton
Sounds plausible.
dude its CUT content. Dont automatic assume everything we hear here is instantly canon.
Can someone check the reverse of the slug girl's speech? The prononcuation hints at reversed recording.
DominusNox SanadSK did this yesterday. Its not reversed
it could be reversed and cut to not make sense
Another language more likely. I recognized a few of the words. Well, one of the words she kept repeating. I think she was saying something about night. I believe it is Latin but will bow to someone who is actually learned in that language.
Could be latin.
carlos conde read the other comments. Its not latin. Sanadsk already said its not latin
I noticed that the voice actor for Micolash in the cut content is completely different. shot in the dark here but perhaps it was supposed to be a younger Micolash? maybe Fromsoftware wanted to do the same vision of the past thing like with Laurence and Willem???
Do you have access to cut OSTs aswell? I would love to hear them :)
Seconding this
Thirding that
I think there is beta versions of the OST found on TH-cam.
4th 5th and 6th-ing this
7th this
WAAAAAAAHHHHH
What are we gonna do in the Nightmare, Kosm-chan?
seems as though Gerhman mistook our hunter as Laurence and that is how we were supposed to fight him.
Gascoigne said umbasa, wtf?!
it was in the Beta, if you glitched the demo you could get to gascogines room and when the player died he said that dialogue
Zan bato OMG WUT?!?!
yep, like in demons souls.. :O...........get a look to the moon in bloodborne... its some similar to the.... "head" of the "old one" :D.
Bloodborne is totally Demon's Souls in the future. The Old One was either a or THE Great One, and at the end, you remove soul arts ("arcane" arts, so to speak) from the world. Technology and medicine rises and we get to Bloodborne.
You get the Beast Soul at the end of Demons & Bloodborne was originally called Project Beast, so it was probably Beast Souls at one point like Dark Souls was Project Dark.
Uh. Was the player supposed to secretly be Laurence? That's the only thing that makes any kind of sense for the last bit of dialogue Gehrman has here. Unless it's multiple separate lines, but then that implies that at one point Gehrman and the Hunter knowingly made a deal where it was explained that the Moon Presence was gonna come and eat them once it was all over.
I like how Micolash went from kinda sane but really tired to raving madman in an instant. Like how over the top he was in the actual game more though.
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Was the player character supposed to be an incarnation of Laurence at some point?
No. Gehrman already addresses Laurence in the game while he sleeps. It is more than likely just an alternate death dialogue, calling for him as he vanishes.
It could be that Gehrman was supposed to become blood-drunk by the end of the game, causing him to see the PC as Laurence instead
Mico hates normies
Broken Micolash? UNDELETE UNDELETE UNDELETE
I like this Micolash. If you were to meet him like this your first impression would be of a crazy dude wearing a cage on his head yet slumped over in a chair... seemingly harmless. Then he speaks so politely and softly. Lulling you into a false sense of security and camaraderie: he understands. He's also seen too much. He's scared too... Come spend some much needed time with a kindred spirit... and then the full insanity unleashes and holy shit I would have fallen out of my chair.
Aww poor Micolash
Sinclair Lore i wish this version was in game.
Liked the video you did about him, liked the thumbnail art too.
Flora, the Presence of The Moon.
The Moon Presence is not a he, but a she. As is Rom, who she too became a great one. As is Ebritas, as is Kos. The most prominate Great ones are female
1:11 that changed quickly. but that's my favourite line in bloodborne
So Flora IS the Moon Presence!
I feel kinda bad for micolash now
Three things:
First voice actor shares lines with Micholash but is obviously not the same voice actor (I think it is Laurence's voice actor but cannot be certain, maybe he was suppose to be the "host of the nightmare" before?)
This gives us the name of the moon presence :O like omg Sanadsk.... thanks a million times over for this, truly epic moment for Bloodborne lore!! Thanks!
The slug princess speaks in reverse as you probably too figured out. Would be cool to hear what she says when reversed back.
Sounds like Gerhman is the senat now :"HaHAhaha DEW IT"
Something tells me Laurence was supposed to be the protagonist figure.
I interpret this dialogue as Gehrman having detached from reality (well, even more than previously), and he’s started *believing* that he’s talking to Laurence, when he is actually talking to the player character.
Bro Gascoigne sounding like Perry the Platypus
Micolash sounds so lonely
He needs a hug
1:05 that gave me the chills.
When you play with the "randomizer mod" you can hear a lot of discarded dialogues that appear randomly, some I have not found in deleted/discarded content videos
Umbasa...
amen ^^ demons
So strange there wasn’t more Lawrence in the game. So much dialogue cut regarding him!
I would have loved if you could meet Mico after destroying the Nightmare, decrepit and weak, slowly going more and more insane
Big revelations in these cut dialogue videos. Very interesting.
Great content, Sanadsk!
Micolash: "We were friends, HOW COULD YOU?!" what the fuck? gimme that lore baby
Micolash and rom were friends? :o
i like this micolash more than the one in-game
it's almost like they're whispering to our ears
Hey just a question does anyone else think that since by the time we saw Lawrence (a skull in the main cathedral) that since he has been dead for so long him and Gehrman could never have the duel and thus Flora (moon presence) kept the dream alive? This could also be way the messengers choose you because they've been looking for a proper human to take on Gehrman for the moon presence to see if Gehrman was worth it's time or the good hunter was worth it's time.
damn good theory
Thanks
"Kept the dream alive" is a pretty striking line.
As stated "all great ones are sympathetic", allowing for their host to live in their dream forever..
The other cut dialogue by Blood Minister mentions you getting "special blood" - maybe it's in fact Lawrences? Even though he's already dead, through you they finally get the duel they wanted.
Dai 大
My thoughts have always been that flora was just looking for a strong human to have a child
WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAA!
"Chatting... Into the wee hours... OF MY WONDERFUL NIGHTMARE! RRAAAHHHH! RRAAAHHHH!"
Jay Greene I was just quoting the because of how ridiculous it sounded. Lul
'We were friends, HOW COULD YOU?!'
1:06 I really like this
This one was even more illuminating than the last one! Thank you for this good sir.
Slug princess says “Nox” meaning night or blind in latin
In this case it could mean both and it would fit 100%, what with the Night of the Hunt and of course all the noteworthy NPCs having their eyes bandaged.
It's interesting right? Because Father Gascoigne and someone else I don't remember right now says "Umbasa", which is a reference to the religion of Demon Souls... But Vereor Nox was a saying in the Way of the White in Dark Souls.
I'm sure that these audios were cut for a reason, but if the reason is that they reveal too much instead of just being unfit content, that pretty much connects all the games through religion, which is one thing that is present in all of them. And who is always there to hate on the clergy? Patches.
1:09 I love this one, I wish it was in the final game.
Why did they cut this amazing acting???
Clearly the Slug Princess is saying 'haggis knocks'. She ate some Scottish cuisine and has indigestion.
Gherman vs. Lawrence, what could that have originally been?
What? No, he's not talking about fighting Laurence. He talks to the protagonist. He's just talking to Laurence like he's doing when he's sleeping. Maybe he also projects Laurence's memory onto you and thinks of you as Laurence.
I want to do that Gascoigne beast noise that was on POINT
People ask Vaati for clarification often but most of the time he takes his information from other people's research.
Insightful content as always
"rom, the downside up fool" more connections/reverences to the hanged man card
"The end is not far away now. Every last dream will burn out, and flora will return from the moon."
You can understand the lore through this cut dialogue
I like to believe that German's dialogue at 3:45 is for hinting the player how has been shackled to the dream by the moon presence for who knows how long as he literally chokes when he tries to say that he is "free".
A Christmas miracle!
It sounds like you originally could find and talk to Micolash before defeating Rom, possibly the entire area of the Hidden Village was accessible before the blood moon. Maybe after defeating Rom you would kill Micolash (easily) and then enter his nightmare.
Flora = Authority
Existential themes, Hunter overcomes authority into the burdensome freedom of the Eldritch truth but as a being that can comprehend it
1:10 when the crack hits