You Are Not Spiritual Israel (Part 1/5 in the series)
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Grace Ambassadors Bible Fellowship - November 3, 2019
Part 1 of 5 in a series titled You Are Not Spiritual Israel)
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THANKS! By 48-49 minutes it started to click! Nikodemus and Jesus talking did it for me. Dispite my 36 years as a Christian (Pentecostal/charismatic) I have never seen this before, so a big fat THANKS, for teaching it! Grace and Peace to you! ❤
Amen
49:16 just wanted to bookmark it here cuz I wanted to hear it again after reading your comment.
Excellent sermon pastor! When we rightly divide the word we can see these differences. We are the body of Christ and Christ is our head!
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
16:38 Jesus was the son of zeus. Edomites are always trying to Dodge there Destined judgment.
Thank you sir for this teaching! This is best teaching on this topic I’ve ever heard!!!
Beautiful teaching my bro praying for yu all in th Faith . . .ive been Rightly Dividing ( 2nd Tim 2v15) for along while now . .this is what's really known as 'Soul Food" ive
been eating it all up n still have room for more n more n more n some more 🇬🇧 . . . . .
Now that we're under grace because of Christ, wouldnt that make us spiritual israel then?
Yes I am Spiritual Israel
Your referring to ISRAEL as a religious belief or practice. If a person follows the belief of their neighbor doesn't somehow meld your ethnicity together. If THAT WERE THE CASE an ISRAELITE could be a SPIRITUAL EDOMITE OR MOABOTE.. doesn't work that way buddy. 🤷🏿♀️
Pastor Justin, you are one of the most brilliant Bible teachers i have ever listened to. Thank you so much for your videos! 🙏🏼 I am so grateful for your ministry and i pray that many more people will come to the truth of Mid Acts Dispensationalism.
Forcefully delivered, in truth, and received joyfully at this end, gratefully! Thank you.
It's becoming all so clear now! Thank you so much!
Thankyou Justin...you are a blessing to the body of Christ with your teaching ministry. You always point us to Christ. Thankyou as we do not get this teaching in the UK.
I actually have Semitic DNA, I come from the line of Jacob. ❤️ Feels good to know where I am from finally and to know my history. Shalawam ❤️ Gentile is simply defined as, "not a Jew".
You are wrong in the bible Jews were also called gentiles in some verses.
So you believe no gentiles can get salvation?
God is indeed waking up the children of Israel. There will be a regathering of his people. The world will know that he wasn’t done with Israel. No replacement theology.
@@RspproductionzFaze Gentiles can be save but don’t forget that God is not done with his people,in this case the bloodline of Jacob.
@@TheShaha88 why are christians under Christs new covenant one body? hows that possible if they are some other body with some other future? why is there no longer jew nor greek if you're saying there still is a jew? that would make the sentence appear to make no sense , i'm trying to understand better what you're saying , i think i remember reading something about the future of israel but it was a while ago and was short. Thanks for sharing , i thought we were all one now , children of God , not that we replaced them but simply that as the bible says , peace was made , we became one man , one body , no longer jew or greek , one bride with one single plan for salvation who will now also be heirs with Christ , receive the blessings and promises , and even the new earth "the meek shall inherit the earth" not "the jew shall inherit the earth" . I will have to get around to making a study of this . God bless everyone in the name of Jesus Christ
Sooooo grateful!!!
Excellent!!
Excellent
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
Verse 11 Gentiles. Verse 12 were aliens from the commonwealth. Verse 13 made nigh by the blood. Verse 14 made both one (Jew and Gentiles). Verse 15 of twain/two one new man. Verse 16 reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross. Verse 17 peace to those that were a far off and those that were nigh. Verse 18 both have access by one Spirit (Holy Ghost) to the Father. Verse 19 no more strangers but fellowcitizens with the saints (OT Tribes), and household of God. Verse 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets Jesus Christ chief corner stone. (Can you say two different houses have the same corner stone? No. Can you say there are two corner stones under one building? No.)
Verse 21 fit together an holy temple in the Lord. Verse 22 a habitation of God through the Spirit.
It's inclusion theology. We are grafted in not something new. 2 made 1 new creation in Christ by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Agreed!! 💯!!
@ash the preacher
No, scripture is plain.
Jesus= the root the vine He is Israel.
Us formerly Gentiles are grafted in we become 1 new body being grafted into Jesus Israel the true vine. It's all in Ephesians. And yes it is all done by Jesus and His Holy Spirit. Not replacement but inclusion for all who put their faith in Him.
@ash the preacher
Can Christ be divided?
Jesus is the word made flesh.
The NT is the OT now with the understanding that the messiah has come. Modern preachers use the 400 or so years of pause between Malachi and Matthew as the division but to do so is err. We must also use common sense in our thinking. Was Peter, Paul, James, any of these guys running around with a KJV Bible to preach out of? No. They were using the Torah and the prophets and the psalms and some others we threw out such as Enoch. Thanks be to God for the NT but who are we to throw out what is said as this
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
The OT is types and shadows and shows us what we can expect. On the rapture (if all what I said is true) where in the OT was God's shadow or type. Not there.
Jesus even tells us to watch. Watch for what the rapture ( which is more accurately called resurrection) no for His return.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:20-24 KJV
Look at the order here
Christ first, then they that are His (when) at His coming. Then the end. I promise you if we live to that day it will be glorious because God will provide for His children and it will be our honor to live in it lest how will any hear that hasn't taken the mark yet about His saving grace?
@ash the preacher
Oh yes we have that seal. In the OT the sign was this
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
Deuteronomy 6:8 KJV
Now read what is the things the fronlets are in the previous verses of deuteronomy.
In the NT we have been given the Holy Spirit as our mark. Also was given the Apostles on the same day they were told to do this in the OT before they crossed into the wilderness. Pentecost or Shavuot.
@ash the preacher
Also remember if your getting in because of a bloodline and no Jesus you are getting in another way. No man comes to the Father but by Jesus. Even the 144000 must have their faith in Christ. The day of redemption in the OT is also the same day as wrath. Wrath for those on the outside redemption for those within. Read Isaiah 25.
"Well, spiritual / spiritual.... SAME!" That was hilarious! Brilliant. 15:43
Amen
According to your faith, so be it!
My faith is I as a bride of Christ am as one flesh with my bridegroom Jesus. And he is the head of me.
No problems with being both the body of Christ and is bride.
So you believe that the Bible is full of mistakes because it is just a translation and you study the Textus receptus! Do you believe in predestination daily cross self-denial blood baptism spiritual Israel Christmas is pagan Easter is pagan God does not love everybody and Jesus Christ died on the cross for his elect alone because this is exactly what the Bible says! It also says that FEW will find the truth and everything that is highly esteemed of man is an abomination to God and not to uphold any abominable traditions of man!
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You make a lot of assumptions on what I believe.
But thanks for your post. Have a blessed day.
Sharing!!!
Lemba tribe are Levitra carry E1B1A. And they are in Africa.
I’d love to hear your exegesis of Galatians 3. (By the way, “Replacement Theology” is a lousy strawman for covenant theology.)
The physical nation of Israel and Jacob as head of that nation was a type of Jesus and his body of believers. A remnant of both jews and gentiles. The replacement theology of the church system is wrong but so is the reverse replacement theology of the physical nation of Israel.
all isreal are become one. galatians 3: in christ in the atonement and knowledge of christ.. they will become anation and alight to the gentile, heathens.. foreighners. Isaiah 2:
You are spiritually dead and spiritually lost!
Justin did you ever make a the out line?
That shock reaction just like pastor Steve from Grace Bible Ambassadors xD
We used to sing songs like Marching to Zion, etc. 😵💫
WE ARE ABRAHAM SPIRITUAL SEED.
Thanks great teaching. Who is the real nation of Israel? Are they the people that's there now?
Looking forward to next message! So clearly presented. The teaching on being born again is so clear...why have we missed it!
Are you saying that you do not need to be born again?
@@thecommandmentoffaith1755 Who was Jesus talking to when he said "Ye must be born again"?
A Jewish leader.
It was not a gentile.
If it's us when we're we born the first time? It's not talking about physical birth as the Jewish ruler Nicodemus asked how a man could enter him mother's womb a second time.
It is the nation of Isreal being born again.
God days to Pharaoh that they were his first born and because the nation failed to keep the law they need to be born again so that God can put his Spirit and law into their hearts according to Jerimiah 31 v 31.
Paul never talks about us being born again but he says regeneration for us the body of Christ.
We cannot take new birth from Jesus teaching a Jewish leader and apply it to us the body of Christ as the time Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus the body of Christ was still a mystery. It was only revealed to Paul years later and he never mentions the need of being born again as the gentiles were never born spiritually the first time.
To be born again indicates you were born a first time to be born again.
Well when we're we born the first time?
We have only believed about being born again because we have not rightly divided between Isreal and the body of Christ and mystery and prophesy.
Hope that helps.
@@rickorider
I never would have imagined that deception could get so bad that people would begin to even deny the necessity of being born again.
Please rethink what JESUS actually said such as.....
John 3
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Nicodemus was flesh and blood wasn't he? He was born once as a flesh and blood man, meaning if he got cut he would bleed. That is because his body is like our body. We are all human and JESUS said unless *A MAN* is born again after the spirit he can not see the kingdom of God.
As for the claim that Paul never mentioned the need of being born again. Here is what Paul believed. We all have a natural body of flesh and blood but there is also a spiritual body that is called our soul.
Do you believe Jewish people are the only ones with a soul inside of them?
If not then your soul needs a rebirth after Gods Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 15
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, *we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
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50 Now this I say, brethren, that *flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;* neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
We have a physical body just as Adam did that is how we bare the image of the earthly. But God is Spirit and seeks to be worshiped in Spirit and in Truth. If you do not want to be born again then you are saying that you do not want to have Gods Holy Spirit within you.
You can not have it both ways, you can not reject a spiritual birth and want Gods Holy Spirit. He gives His Holy Spirit to those who are in JESUS CHRIST through faith.
Since you deny that you are born again, let me ask you this do you believe JESUS is the Christ? If you do not believe JESUS is the Christ then you are correct you are not born of God. But if you believe that JESUS is the Christ, then you are automatically born of God.
1 John 5
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
You can not believe that JESUS is the Christ and reject a rebirth from God.
I hope this helps you.
@@thecommandmentoffaith1755 Hi thanks for information. They key to understanding this is to rightly divide the Word of God.
Prophesys relates to Isreal
Mystery relates to the body of Christ
Jesus came as a minister to the circumsision which is Isreal not Gentiles.
The Lord revealed the mystery to Paul which is distinct to what the Lord taught here on earth.
When speaking to Nicodemus Jesus was speaking to a Jewish leader who would have known Isreal was God's first born. He asks Jesus if a man could enter his mother's womb a second time. But it was not about natural birth it was about the birth of a nation.
Listen to Justin's message again as he explains it much clearer than I can.
It is significant that the revelation of the mystery given to Paul from a risen Christ makes no mention of the need to be born again but he does talk about regeneration and Justin explains this.
If it's not talking about an actual physical new birth then when did the gentiles experience a spiritual birth?
Guess you could say when he was born but the context is Isreal.
Jesus says "I say unto thee (singular) that ye (plural) must be born again"
Clearly the context is the nation of Isreal the ye being plural.
As Paul makes no mention or being born again and he received the revelation from Christ in heaven then there clearly is a change of instruction otherwise Paul would have mentioned it.
It's difficult to shake off traditional teaching but a close examination of the Word shows something different.
Just to add that Paul speaks of new creation. "If any man be in Christ he is a new creation"
I'm not denying that a change is needed.
Paul also says about renewal and regeneration of the Holy Spirit so that would indicate a change.
Perhaps we are talking terminology but it's odd that the Lord does not instruct Paul to say we must be born again. If it's such an important principal then surly it would be instructed by the Lord to tell Paul that the gentiles needed to be born again.
But he didn't and the omission is significant as the Lord clear taught Paul regeneration.
Not the same as new birth but does indicate a change is required.
Jesus is Israel and we are decendants
I hear Christians say all the time,"I am born again".
They are probably right because someone can not be a true Christian unless they are born again.
@@thecommandmentoffaith1755 @The Commandment of Faith However the Scriptures, rightly divided, are not referring to a member of the Body of Christ having new life, when the term, 'born again' is used. The nation of Israel needed to be and will be 'born again' when all Israel is saved at the Second coming of Christ. When anyone trusts Christ and His finished work on the cross, the Spirit baptizes them into Christ. It is the work of the Spirit but it is not being born again, since people in the Body of Christ were never born the first time, like Israel was when they first became a nation. When Jesus speaks to Nicodemus in John 3, after making an illustration of birth, He says to Nicodemus, "7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." Ye in King James is plural - the whole nation had to be born again.
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How long have you been a "Christian believer" if that is even what you consider yourself? If so have you always held the position on being born again that you do now?
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What i believe has happened is just as scripture predicted that many will depart from the faith and turn their ears from the truth as they begin following doctrines of devils.
It would seem that the Gospel is ever changing, though it has not changed and it will not change. People are constantly changing what we originally had received.
In the 80's and 90's you heard so much that we need to repent of our sin, you heard that we must be born again. But now all you hear is people claiming repentance isn't necessary and we are not born again.
I guarantee you that you once believed that yourself was born again.
You are blinded by this dispensationalism, i hope God will show you mercy and rescue you from its grip.
“God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
Romans 3:4 KJV
Please Read the following:
Romans 1:16-17
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Ephesians 1:13
Ephesians 1:7
Colossians 2:13
2 Corinthians 5:17-21
Romans 4:5
Romans 5:8
Galatians 3:26-29 King James Version (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
he paul is speaking to the people isreal alltogether .. that by him.. they are one and they have atonement..in him
amen best explanation thank you.........
@@phillwainaina7252 that doesn't make sense though , they already were the children of God even before Jesus came , it says as many baptized into Christ , not as many jews baptized , my baptism is no different hence "jew nor greek" if hes only talking to jews , that makes no sense to say , "and if ye be christs ye be abrahams seed" ...they already were his seed ... its us who weren't , i'm so confused why people make the bible say things it doesn't say or mean what it doesn't plainly reveal.
@@onlymyself7225 read your history who are the many in history who was this letter written to . the gentile former jews that had taken greek lifestyle .. the are being called by paul to the faith of the messiah .. who came restore their kingdom. sent to the lost sheep of the house of isreal.. the all in this isthe context-- theology has taught not this
@@onlymyself7225 which god, GOD.. IS THE ULTIMATE question,, many gods calm to have created the earth .. even the egyptian god.. but the god of abraham .. read deutro 32.. i dont ascribe to universalism . one god one love no..
I get everything your saying but I can see how people can easily get taken off track.
The promises are fullfiled in Christ as the new testament tells us. Jesus tells us that he is present in the scriptures (old testament) in John 5. The same thing in Luke 24. There is not radical discontinuity as you presupose.
If the law is only for the Jews, then is it ok to not believe the prophet risen up likened unto Moses that points to the belief in the Messiah in Deuteronomy 18? Was that command to believe the coming Messiah only for Jewish people?
Is murder okay for non-jews but against the law for Jews?
Does Isaiah 56 not prophecy of God's recognition of even non-Jews who hold fast His covenant and do what pleases Him as pertaining to the Millennial Reign to come?
Does Paul refer to God's appointed times as shadows of things TO COME that point to Christ decades after Christ's ascension in Colossians 2:17?
Are the persecuted believers identified in Revelation 14:12 as keepers of God's commandments and holders of belief in Christ only Jewish people?
1 Deuteronomy 18 does not speak about a Messiah but about an Israeli prophet which would come after prophet Moses
2. non-jews do not have to keep most of the laws but only 7 laws which are called 7 Noahide laws
3.Isaiah 56 speaks about non Jews who will convert to Judaism in the future therefore they will keep the laws.
Galatians, Ephesians, Romans, and Hebrews disagree with you
Israel probation ended in the fall of a.d. 34 with God's last prophet Stephen being stoned. Acts 7:54-60. Israel is nowhere in Bible prophecy after Acts 7:60,the Gospels goes to the Gentiles,but the Jews are also included in the New Convenant if they are willing to partake it. God's does not look at the outside,but rather inside, spiritually.
Jeremiah 3:8 YHVH gave Israel a get of Divorce due to her adultery and sent her away out of the land. ….YHVH speaks of forgiveness Hosea 2:23….But Israel remains in exile because the Jews of the land counted her unclean. Deuteronomy 24:4. This is the great mystery of how the Husband can remarry the adulterous bride. Only if the Husband dies is she free to marry. The Death and resurrection of Messiah (YHVH) was the solution. THIS WAS THE GOOD NEWS sent out among the nations (The Diaspora) and all of the God Fearers who dwelt among them, for YHVH said, there shall be one law, both for Israel and the strangers among them. Numbers 15:16
Without doubt the Elect Iaraelites and Gentiles are spiritual Israel. Romans 4:11-13,16 KJVS
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. [13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [16] Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
where does it say we are spiritual israel in that verse or the bible? where does it say we are israel in that verse , at all , where does it say anything remotely of the nature? are you saying this just because he used the word circumcision? he's making a point , we were not gods people , not under Gods law , did not have his blessings , promises , or anything including his law and now we are Gods people , do have blessings and promises , are of abrahams seed , with Gods law ( in our hearts under the NT ) Just AS IF we were those jews who were circumcised and under the law who had those things , now we have them , through faith , like abraham received , through faith , hence the comparison and use of the circumcision example.... it says absolutely nowhere there that we are spiritual israel , why are you adding it in? my confusion with people is when they come up with their own phrases or expressions or interpretations that aren't in the word of God , Gods infinitely wise and outside time , if he wanted you to know you were spiritual israel , he wouldn't beat around the bush , he would say it...
Who is The True Isreal? Isaiah 49:3 and many other verses documents that The Lord Jesus is The True faithful Servant, Isreal. Did Jehovah Jesus count Uriah the Hitite an Israelite? Does The King of Kings count Caleb the Kennizite an Isrealite, Numbers 13:6, who REPRESENTED Judah? ANSWER; Read EXODUS 12:47-49. They were, "Counted as 1 BORN in the Land, HOMEBORN!" PTL! Abba Father has no secondary CHILDREN but, 1 seed, 1 2nd birth, 1 Elect, 1 HOLY NATION, 1 peculiar treasured people, 1 priesthood, 1.chosen, 1 flock, 1 Tree, 1 Body, 1 Common wealth of Isreal, 1 Holy Nation Ex.19;6, IPETER 2:9, 1 BRIDE HOSEA 2:16 Remarries Isreal, 1 Saints, 1 Resurrection/rapture for the saints etc. Our INHERITANCE is the SAME as our "Father Abraham!" Ask Faithful Caleb, the Kennizite who was CHOSEN to represent Judah. HALLELUJAH!
except all the promises are rightly interpreted in the New Testament and are spiritualized. Which you say can't be done. The prophets do it.
Israel is black ppl, always has been always will be, there is no replacement, we are the Remnant of a Covenant of Israel 🙏🏾 his name is Yahosha Ha'mashyakh, some day ppl will know the truth.
Roman's 11:1-2 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Why do you preach against God’s laws as being superfluous for Christians? Christ stressed the importance of following the laws. You put great weight on Paul but he seldom taught what Jesus taught. If you want to bring forth the good fruit, Christ said repeatedly you MUST keep HIS commandments…” If you Love Me, keep My commandments.”
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Why are we still living in the Old Covenant? We have a new, better covenant in which Gentiles are grafted in. The land promise was fulfilled in Joshua. The spiritual promise was fulfilled in Christ. We who are in Christ are spiritual Israel. This is not "Replacement Theology." This is fulfillment theology. The only replacement going on is the Dispensationalists replacing the New Covenant with the Old Covenant bloodlines, which are meaningless in Christ!
your very presuppositions lead you into great error. You are not interpreting the Bible how Jesus and the apostles interpret
THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A SPIRITUAL ISRAEL DIFFERENT FROM REAL ISRAEL.
YOU MUST NOT BE AN ISRAELI TO BE A SON, A MAN, A PERSON OF GOD YEHOVAH WHO IS THE GOD OF ALL FLESH NOT ISRAEL ALONE BUT YOU NEED TO BE SET APART IN COVENANT OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW OF GOD YEHOVAH.
IT IS THE PERSON WHO IS LAWFULLY IN HARMONY WITH GOD YEHOVAH THAT IS A SON, MAN, PERSON OF GOD YEHOVAH.
calling everyone that is not dispensationalist a replacement theologian is a straw man that you dispys love to punch. I have never met a replacement theologian to this date.
Aside from the little issues like awful/no exegesis, an embarrassingly short history compared to the rest of theology (dispensationalism didnt arise until the 1830s), no well known pastors or theologians from any time in the past recognize this as truth, and the creator of it saying theres 2 ways people can get saved.... an honest person doing a presentation on a topic wouldnt be using a logical fallacy (the strawman that others say the church is Israel never say or imply the church replaced Israel). This is sad to watch.
Wow! Might as well cut all the other books out of your Bible, brother. It didn't make sense to me how you said every book in the Bible says we are Israel except Hebrews. If you take those other books out, you won't have to divide anything. We are not replacing Israel, we are Israel. I would give you scripture, but you have disregarded all books but Hebrews. You have thrown out everything but Paul, and I think Peter warned against what you are doing.
2 Peter 3:15-17
[15]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
I believe you are sincere in what you believe, but ALL scripture is profitable for doctrine. What scripture was he talking about? I love you brother, but blindness is all over this teaching.
@A Prodical Son Returned- you are confused and ridiculous
@@StandForTruth205 You can say what you like, brother. I love you, but people need to trust the Word of God over any man's word. When Pastors preach opinion rather than the actual scriptures; there is blindness. Please show me where I am wrong using God's Word. My point was that we can't cut out ANY part of scripture to make it fit our opinions, and this guy said that if you read the other books of the Bible it seems like we are Israel. Then he tries to use Paul to say we are not. Paul said that even some born in Israel are not part of Israel because of unbelief in the Messiah. Scripture clearly shows that we are part of Israel through the blood of Christ. Faith, not our bloodlines. Ephesians 2, Romans 11, the mixed multitude that came out of Egypt in Exodus 12:48, Isaiah 56, etc. It's all over the place. Once that is established, then you need to learn about Ahijah and the two houses. Then Jeremiah 3, followed closely by Romans 7. This is basic stuff that the "church" will never talk about. They only want to live by Paul and twist his words to fit their beliefs. Some seem as if they have made Paul the Messiah.
1 Corinthians 1:12-15
[12]Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
[13]Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
[14]I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
[15]Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
Remember what Peter said.
2 Peter 3:15-17
[15]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
I do not want to offend you, brother. Sometimes truth is offensive, though. Jesus is the Truth, and He said that He came to divide. I love you, brother; and pray for your eyes to be opened.
@@AProdigalSonReturned could you explain further what you are talking about?If we are Israel then what about the rapture, and the time of Jacobs’ trouble? I thought the church was to escape that? Isn’t that our blessed hope?
@@scotwells7573 I tried to reply and it said my post was too long. Do you have a specific question, because I could go all over scripture to give an answer. I will leave a few points here.
Romans 9:1-8
[1]I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
[2]That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
[3]For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
[4]Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
[5]Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
[6]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Paul says he would give up his salvation to save those born in the land, because they are unbelievers. Being born in the land doesn't make you one of God's people.
In the books of Moses, covenant breakers were to be cut off from among their people.
Genesis 17:14
[14]And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
If you want me to delve deeper into why we should keep the law, I can. For now I will stick to how we ARE Israel.
Romans 11:14-27
[14]If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
[15]For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
[16]For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
[17]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[18]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[19]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[23]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
[24]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Again, cut off is the same language as before. Faith grafts you in. Not your bloodline, but His blood that was spilled for us.
Ephesians 2:11-22
[11]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12]That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[16]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[17]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[18]For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[19]Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[20]And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
[21]In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[22]In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
We WERE gentiles, as in past tense. But now through Faith, we are part of Israel.
The rapture is the first resurrection, at the second coming. Our Blessed Hope is resurrection through Yeshua/Jesus.
Titus 2:13-14
[13]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[14]Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Note that Israel is called a peculiar people.
Acts 24:14-15
[14]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
[15]And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Acts 26:6-8
[6]And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
[7]Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
[8]Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
Hope to be in that first resurrection. The second resurrection is when ALL are judged. I had a much longer response, but had to shorten it. I hope this helps, but do not rely on the words of men. Search this stuff out. If you have a more specific question, I will try to point you to the right scriptures.
@@scotwells7573 I am going to give you a path to follow in scripture that will help you better understand who Israel is. The Book/Chapter/Verses that I send you to will make points, but you should still read before and after to make more connections. I will give some commentary to link things and fill in gaps that only give context. Let's begin with Jacob, who became Israel when God changed his name. He had 12 sons, one being Joseph. Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt, and had two sons. Ephraim and Mannassah took the place of Joseph, making 13 tribes. Later Levi didn't receive inheritance in the land bringing it back to 12 tribes. Jacob blessed Ephraim and said he would be melo goyim (the fullness of the nations/gentiles). They came out of Egypt with mixed multitudes who were to be treated as born in the land if they came into the faith. They eventually made it into the land promised to them, after 40 years in the wilderness. Read Deuteronomy 29 and 30 where Moses gives a prophecy about their future. I believe chapter 30 is near. Anyways, skip ahead to King David. It was a prophecy that the Messiah would come from the line of Judah through David. After David, Solomon turns to other gods and the kingdom is split at his death. 1 Kings 11:29 through chapter 12. This tells about the split into the House of Judah, and the House of Israel/Ephraim/Joseph. After this, read Jeremiah chapter 3. You can read Deuteronomy 24 for the context of the law. After Jeremiah 3, hit Romans 7 to see how Israel can come back. For much more context, read Hosea. Hosea makes many connections that we see in the New Testament. Not my people, are now my people. This isn't talking about gentiles that want to remain gentiles. This is talking about gentiles that come into the faith, and become the House of Israel. Ephesians 2:11-22. The New Covenant isn't for gentiles. Jeremiah 31:31-37. Jesus says He came only for who? Matthew 15:24.
I could go on and on. I love how interconnected the Word is. Read all of Romans 9. It has many great answers. It says Israel is by faith, not birth. Osee is Hosea.