Amazing job Dustin! Appreciate you having me on and shedding light on the dangers of programs like this when it comes to to healing trauma! “Mental Health Matters”🙏
Fantastic conversation and I really appreciate you contributing!! Definitely would love to have you weigh in on another mental health topic that I tackle in the future. Thanks so much Tom!
I'm not even 5 minutes into this video and I just got to the part where they're yelling at everybody and my anxiety has risen up significantly because I have cptsd and major depressive disorder and I can't handle this I might have to turn it down and put on closed captioning just so I can watch the video.
I'm not even 5 minutes into this video and I just got to the part where they're yelling at everybody and my anxiety has risen up significantly because I have cptsd and major depressive disorder and I can't handle this I might have to turn it down and put on closed captioning just so I can watch the video.
Yeah, this is definitely just re-traumatizing yourself. Whether it's yourself or someone else, it's not possible to bully someone out of the effects of their trauma.
The moment I saw there were two Marines involved, 😅 "Aw jeez what are the odds that they're not addressing their own PTSD correctly and taking it out on other people?" ... Well dang, they've made a career out of reliving their trauma. That's entrepreneurship and a half. They're setting those other fellas back about five years in their efforts in healing but at least they're all ahead in the bank... those toxic walking red flags. To those who got out and actually are working on your shit, I salute you.
Excellent observation. There are so many PTSD "therapy retreats" that include shooting a variety of weapons and some dont have the greatest safety record. Its absolutely insane. Especially when you see vets doing great healing work with their peers that can include the opportunity to be vulnerable in a safe environment. What a mind f*ck for the people who are trying to reach out.
That is EXACTLY what I thought as well! Like, they're getting paid to vent THEIR anger and to trauma dump on the participants to make THEMSELVES feel better, not the other way around!
The worst part of this, for me personally, is that this looks like the TROUBLED TEEN INDUSTRY camps. Those are CHILDREN. If authorities won't shut THOSE down, why would they bother with "Grown Men"?
This is so scary! I wonder how it’s legal to advertise it as a mental health service (healing trauma boot camp) without having any mental health training or licensing?
From everything I have seen, they have zero mention of the course healing trauma on their website, and they very rarely mention it on their social media channels. Their founder did a podcast interview and released a clip from it where he he alluded to the "real reason" for creating the course was to help men heal from trauma with journaling. He also alluded to kind of keeping that portion of the course secret because, in his words, "you're never going to get a bunch of men to talk about their trauma." In my opinion, they keep it mostly secret to do the best they can to avoid legal repercussions.
Not a fan of generalizing, but gna do it anyway. Military men are the LAST people to seek out when learning to heal. Marines and army infantry specifically are integrated into a "don't think, just do" mentality and lifestyle. It makes it easier to do their jobs if they're more animalistic. They preach "adapt and overcome", but never actually learn to adapt into regular society.
Licensed Mental Health Therapist here! Thank you so much for calling out this barbaric and abusive program for what it is. And providing the academic receipts! The way that these men are being treated and the messaging going out to men at large is so digusting. These people are acting as cult leaders, and they must be stopped. I hope their victims are able to find healing, in their bodies and souls.
This is in no way healing…I’m a therapist focusing on Trauma and PTSD, specifically as a result of relationship abuse. Would love the opportunity to weigh in a bit here.
Exactly. The opposite of healing. As someone with C-PTSD due to abuse this would just cause severe dissociation and I'd get home 20k less well off with no recollection of the entire course and probably some new nightmares.
I wish there were more professionals that saw these types of "services" as unhealthy. I had a psychiatrist at a public hospital try to send me to the TTI which was really weird
I don't remember if it was this camp or a nearly identical one where the founder said that he's become a better man through much suffering and trauma and therapy. And guess which part these camps completely leave out. I was told that journaling trauma is a bad idea, I'm guessing because it causes you to go back to that place mentally, and also it might create new pathways in your mind?
At the risk of sounding flippant or cavalier, nobody who actually went through basic training would pay 20K to go through an abbreviated version of it that seemed only to focus on the worst parts. I spent 8 years in and hot take is that basic is a necessary evil, like a test you endure to make it to actual service. The vets involved have either bought their own bs or it's a cynical and dangerous con. Spending that much on a 3 day macho fantasy camp would actually cause me PTSD.
My understanding is the military is moving away from the "break them down so you can build them up" model and focusing more on "help your fellow soldier be their best so we are all best". And hazing has never been a part of boot camp ever, but there are some real toxic instructors who take it too far. For me I see these instructors as marine red flags that couldn't transition to civilian life afterwards because of what they went through. As toxic as it was the marines gave them an identity and they cling to it because they don't know how to become anything else.
@@elizabethwhitman7846 I went to army basic training in 2012. It’s a careful balancing act. Basic had a method to its madness that some people got and some people didn’t. It was meant to simulate combat stress and chaos and so you learn to make a rapid decision under chaotic stress, while also acting selflessly and learning to work as a team, and not freezing under stress or questioning things when immediate action needed to happen. The first 3-4 weeks were the worst because that’s when the most “smoking (slang for physical exercise) for no reason” and collective punishment smoke sessions happens bc someone screwed something up or forgot a weapon. known as Red Phase. Then you transition to White phase and then Blue Phase, where you learn more technical things, the drill sergeants start easing up, and collective corrective training starts goes away in favor of holding someone individually responsible for a misguided action. That’s the general set up anyway, every company and cycle was different, some were harsher than others, others cushy, some never made it out of red phase. All of this could be very different by now as it’s been 12 years since I did the training This training camp just looks like how much abuse can you take as an individual to prove how tough you are, which wildly misses the point of basic training in the first place
Depending on which country's military you join, many are NOT permitted to do this any more. The Canadian military is, at no point, permitted to scream at, curse at, assail, or harass members or recruits. It's not productive. It doesn't help with retention. It doesn't make anyone more able to do perform their duties as an active member. It boggles my mind, in 2024, that any developed nation would still be engaging in these practices.
@@vanessamacneil5978 Vanessa, nobody in this video is currently in the military. The students probably never have been and the so-called cadre, instructors are veterans. I was in the US Navy and then the US Army so I can't speak for other nation's military branches. However, I can tell you that in order to put us in stressful situations, we were sometimes screamed at or given contradictory orders. If someone is going to break when it gets tough, better to know in basic than later in the field or the fleet. This is military theater, roleplaying.
@gordonandrews2374 It's pure BS is what it is - it's the kind of play acting you see from people who never went anywhere, never did anything, and it honestly makes me question their military credentials. Robert Daly made it onto an internationally broadcasted TV lying about being a green beret before he got caught. My husband is RCAF. Did a combined Basic course, then everyone goes off to do element specific training. They didn't get screamed at or berated. They were placed under extreme stress, some of them broke, but it was nothing like this reckless, toxic nonsense. I wonder if anyone has requested service records on any of these guys?
Years ago, I almost got decked by a couple having a shouting match in a grocery store. Every other word was "f**k." It seemed to be the ONLY swear word they knew. Of the wealth of words in English to insult someone, "f**k" was it. I started giggling, and they turned in unison to stare me down. I backed away. These guys are just like that couple. Of all the tv, movies, books they've seen, "f**k" is it. No imagination, no steals. Just endless, mind numbing abuse. This organization deserves to be sued for crimes against the English language. And aren't there laws about "pratcicing medicine without a license"? This isn't therapy, it's sadism.
I've worked as a dominatrix. All I can say is....THIS is abuse. I don't claim to HEAL. That's not what it is about. But in my case "abuse" is not random, but planned to the taste of the "victim." They are not being sensitive to them, and are randomly abusing them. This is dangerous. we stop the action completely for ONE wORD. This gives the "victim" control over the situation. Those victims have NO CONTROL over the situation once it starts. Yes, this is sadism, in it's purest form. And for pete's sake learn some other words, RIGHT? If you're going to argue, stick to the issues......(and don't do it in public)
@@valkyrie1066 At least your clients know what the boundaries are, and when they can start -- and stop -- the "action." Therapy is about giving control and power back. This isn't that. It's bullying, and cruelty.
People with depression/anxiety/childhood trauma/ptsd or c-ptsd/phobias and many other mental health issues are ALREADY more likely to have issues with sleeping; Whether that it is sleeping "too much" or struggling to get enough sleep and/or struggling with poor sleep quality. The last thing these people need is to be deprived of sleep, water and the ability to rest or take a break, while being put in situations that cause hyperventilating and panic attacks, which just retraumatise people. This is nothing short of abuse of vulnerable people
This, for once, we'd say is worse than Springbrook. Springbrook Behavioral Health was where we were sent by our father and stepmom after we attempted 4 times in a 24 hour period. It's in Travelers Rest, SC. They did this "to fix you" and they said we were lying and manipulative when we didn't want to participate in therapy. Here's what we went through (🍻 specifically exists because everyone else couldn't handle it and went dormant. 🍻 was the sole host and member for those months, and it still affects him to this day): -Allowing another patient to s3xually assault us and writing the infraction as "consensual" so we couldn't file legal (it looked like we were going back on our own words in our record, that we were "one of those me too women," so we would never win, especially in South Carolina. We've given up due to that, and actually forgave the patient, since we know he wasn't being treated properly either and is also probably dead by now, given that he was on such a high prescription for his ASPD that he was already experiencing early renal failure and Springbrook's lead psychiatrist, Dr. Fisher, apparently straight up told him he probably wouldn't survive more than 2 years at that rate, while also saying in the same breath that he HAD to take that amount for the rest of his life to manage his diagnosis. He was 16. If that expiration date was accurate, he would have died back in 2019, so either rest in peace or rest in pieces, take your pick.) -Left us in the shower from 8 pm to roughly 3 am (our therapist put a "soap check" order because our father said "we always smell and she won't shower properly." After we left the shower on our own twice due to being forgotten, and the $7.50 an hour staff forgot to write down that they completed soap check on our paperwork a few times when we DID get checked, she said if we ever left without soap check again, she would take away our "pencil privileges" for the rest of our stay. "Pencil privileges" was the ability to talk to other kids, the ability to sit anywhere in the room, to write or draw, or call family, which we stopped doing anyway after our abusive stepmother was made our only accessible number and we were banned from talking to our grandparents or mother. The time we actually got them revoked, for two hours [originally one, another hour was added by our therapist for what we are about to say] we tried to pick up a pencil and the staff came up and SNAPPED THE PENCIL IN HALF so we couldn't use it. Needless to say, we got forgotten again, and ended up trying to sleep in the warm shower since it was warmer than the cheesecloth we had to sleep with, anyway. After many hours, we finally realized we couldn't sleep on the linoleum, and we knocked out the bathroom door. Third shift came in and asked WHY WE WERE BACK IN THE SHOWER after making MANY 15-minute checks on our room, and we told them we had never gotten out. They asked when we got in, we said we got in when second shift was telling us all to take a shower. Second shift leaves at 10 pm. 3rd shift made us put soap on again, we did the soap check, we got out and fell asleep hearing the disbelief in the hallway that 2nd shift left us in the bathroom and we weren't discovered until 3 in the fucking morning. Our therapist never apologized for her response, but she did remove the check from the paperwork and told us "I guess you were right.") -Consistent health hazard (the building was moldy, you could see the sky through the roof in some parts. There was black mold on some of the beds that was never taken care of until 👾 freaked out since we have asthma, and the showers' assist bars from when the place was a shell-shock clinic were constantly filled with a moldy soup. Also, the "4-star kitchen" they advertise on their website is actually only a 4-star CHEF that only comes in twice a month, and no one was wearing gloves or hairnets until everyone got foodborne illness from undercooked cafeteria-pan chicken enchilada. Apparently the building had already received several health code violations, but it was only THEN when they were on their last strike that they started wearing PPE.) -blood draws every 3 days, in the middle of the night, and we were made fun of for "being a baby" and threatened with being strapped to the desk (we learned "vagaling" from the nurses telling us we were literally shitting ourselves from fear and laughing about it. Vagal reflex is basically when your blood pressure rapidly drops so you can actually #2 properly. When you feel like your face is losing feeling while going #2, that's vagal, since the lack of blood pressure will visibly make your face pale. Eventually we struck a deal with a male nurse to use the fact that we tend to sleep talk REALLY WELL so he could ask while we were asleep for consent, and answering machine will always automatically say "yes" if it means we are left alone to sleep. Even asking answering machine "are you awake" will get a yes, and we don't remember jack. No idea how many more draws they took, but at least we weren't there for it. 😅) -Gave us a TB bubble test TWICE in a month (both were negative, but we've been told it should have only been done once since a negative result would mean we were clear and there wouldn't be an immediate risk of infection. Apparently, they needed to test us twice when that shouldn't be necessary, literally giving us the second bubble as soon as the first test disappeared.) -Diagnosed us as BPD and OCD when that was clearly incorrect, never letting us speak (we have OCD, but Dr. Fisher said we had OCD about "impulsively rebelling against your parents." That's not OCD, dumbass, that's ODD. He also diagnosed our behavior as BPD, saying we were faking our headspace and dissociating to escape responsibilities, and ABUSING OUR PARENTS as a form of retaliation, so he put us on Luvox. Luvox basically destroyed the ability for 🍻 to dissociate, or for 👾 or anyone else to come back front from dormancy to help relieve duty. He had to take every second of it instead of being able to escape when left alone.) -Repeatedly physically abusing us (our therapist SAT ON US AND LOCKED THE DOOR since we wouldn't admit we were "abusive and manipulative," and admit that "your parents are the best." The same parents who would strap us to a table to force us to eat when we were 6, and then when our 4 year old sister continued to refuse, forcing her to eat carrot baby food while calling her a baby and asking "doesn't it taste good, baby?" She did not get off of us or unlock the office until we said that we were abusive and that our parents are always right, word for word. Staff also would grab us, and they also bet on the patients' fights. Apparently I [🍻] was a "floppy fish" in the betting ranks because I couldn't fight well, basically getting into slap fights or being instantly pummeled while other kids were punching and choking each other out.) -Destroyed our belongings (our Christmas gift of a shirt was torn in half because it had a hoodie string and it was sewn in at the top, and they literally just tried to rip it out. It was never replaced. We also had an expensive bottle of Fresh Cream Philosophy from our grandmother, so we'd have a good soap, and they let a patient from the "low-functioning" wing spill it and play with it until there was basically only 10% of it left in the bottle when it was originally almost untouched. This was also never replaced. They also stole our notebook several times and removed pages from it, which we never got back since they were given to our parents, who put it in the big garbage bag of evidence they have to prove that we're "fucking insane and a sociopath.") ALL OF THIS, and the fact that they also nearly killed a patient (if you look up Chestnut Hill Behavioral or Springbrook Behavioral, which is just the same facility with a new name, there's many horrible reviews, but one parent said that Springbrook discharged their 12 year old child and refused to respond, even threatening legal action, after they left him in the ER dehydrated/malnourished, to the point the parent could SEE HIS HEART BEATING IN HIS CHEST, and nearly fatally OD'd on Wellbutrin, after the parents had DECLINED consent to give Wellbutrin.) ALL OF THAT, and this is worse. You don't get to sleep, when we were at least forced to with drugs to sleep from 9 pm to 7 am, and at least we got SOME food. Sure, we eventually were so desperate for carbs or fat that we all started to add two butter packets and two sugar packets in our morning oatmeal (we were on a protein diet, since "carbs and fat worsen autism" and "make us hyperactive." We also were banned from any caffeine. Needless to say, they did fix the "hyperactive behavior," because we were all lethargic and hungry constantly, even stealing things like the gram cracker packs from the nurse cart or frosting bags from making cookies at Christmas. We *may* have done the latter, as well, and ate it all over three nights before going to bed... 😅) but at least we got food and water. Like, holy shit, they didn't ban us from electrolytes when we exercised. So, props to you, MLK. You officially beat a rundown, moldy building with abusive staff and the healing capacity of a pack of cigarettes. cPTSD is our specialty from childhood, and we were destroyed by Springbrook, but at least we didn't fucking die. -🍻/👾/👥
What really pisses me off is these guys are former military, so they think they know what it takes to train men to become “real men.” However, the military has structure. I went through basic training. I know what it’s like. We still got yelled at, we still got “smoked,” people still had breakdowns. But you know what? Our instructors were there to pick us up and support us through all the stress and conditioning. It’s not supposed to be traumatic, and constant verbal abuse like in the movies serves no purpose. I think all these former military dudes running the program are the worst types who slip through the cracks. The power tripping assholes who think bullying other people helps them and if they can’t take it, they’re weak and not worth anyone’s time. What a backwards mentality.
Yeah, the drill instructors aren't bullies. Of course I've been yelled at and smoke too, but when I was absolutely doing my best and thinking really hard, they HELPED me. 😮😅 I really struggled with room clearing and the drill Sargent didn't yell, just demonstrated and showed us how. One time I fainted during a ruck. I was on my period and it was REALLY hot. They carried me up the hill and I kept going.
I had one of these types of guys in my unit we deployed with. He was drill instructor school failure. He got to our unit and spent the entire time before and during the deployment yelling at anyone and everyone. Infact I could set my watch by his yelling. thankfully his behavior caught up to him and he pulled his weapon on a Junior marine and he was kicked out of the unit and sent to the brig. he was lucky it was just him and the junior. Half the shop probably would have taken the opportunity to take him out. Point is that behavior doesn't even fly in the military. I hate these programs that try to act like what Hollywood thought drill instructors are and dial it to 11
I had nightmares from basic training for 25 years. The idea of going through it all again for nothing is terrifying. This looks like the kind of thing they send queer kids to try and make them “normal “
Right!!?! And those camps that are very hush hush...what are they called? Paris Hilton was a victim of those and is now big on shutting them down, trying to get laws that forbid their existence
@@chronophobiasdeliriumParis Hilton went to a different type of program that was equally horrible-one for “troubled teens” called Provo Canyon School. Those schools, which are often wilderness camps, are full of abuse and sexual assault, are horrifying and lead to lifelong trauma (much, in the same way as a conversion therapy would). So, different but both terrible in their own ways.
@@chronophobiasdeliriumwatch her documentary, it's free on here and it's harrowing. It was a behavioral facility, not conversion therapy (for "troubled teens" rather than queer ones) and it was some of the most atrocious shit I've seen in my life.
My husband was in the Army (long ago), he was paid. He would never pay for anything like this. He's seen small clips if this bs, rolls his eyes, and scrolls on.
Anyone who is military myself included look at at this and roll our eyes for one $18000 absolutely not next there’s no purpose for any of this there’s no end goal last a lot of these guys are wannabe military and this is the closest they get to getting that experience the reason they use for not joining or atleast the most common I’ve heard lately is “military is too woke” or some dumb excuses like that basically they want the status without putting in the actual work this program is just a wet dream for insecure alpha incel type dudes
One of my biggest concerns about this is lack of evidence. Real therapy is based on years and years of peer reviewed research. These people no only have no training but they have zero proof it’s helpful
This is abuse, plain and simple. And what's sad is will these men go home to their sons and treat them like this in order to "make them into men?" That's kind of terrifying. When you go into the military (especially the Marines) there's a saying that they break you down to build you up. They have to in order to train them to be prepared for warfare. Now, not everyone will end up on the battlefield, but they still have to be prepared for it. My oldest son is a Captain in the Marine Corps and OCS and TBS were hell. But it wasn't "abusive." It was necessary training for what they might at some point have to deal with.
the body doesnt differentiate between training and abuse, its all the same, the body doenst care or understand "necessary abuse" its just abuse. and the body will remember. breaking people doenst make them stronger. it just makes them easier to use/control to those who break them. it all will come back one way or another. you cant make machines out of people it never works there are always consequences for mistreating people regardeless of what the intention or agenda is.
Soldier here. It’s kinda the weird way it’s split. The training is necessary to survive inhuman situations, because war is inhuman and horrible. You get a lot of positives: lifelong friendship, discipline, being able to make clear decisions under stress, being great in a crisis moment (I saved my friends life when she had a medical emergency and got her to a safe location when others in the group froze or waffled on what to do. I took charge and gave directions etc). But the training has its costs to the mind over time. Eventually, you get tired. Your heart isn’t in it anymore, that’s when you know it’s time to move on from the military as a whole, and start slowing down and healing.
And what ARE they going to be dealing with? Who will they be fighting? Is it just? Where does the motivation come from to fight wars of oppression and how is that different from the motivation for fighting against oppression?
You talking about how trauma responses arent inherently "wrong" reminds me of a reponse i gave to someone a couple weeks ago. We were having a discussion (in an academic setting) on how to help a hypothetical person in a complicated situation in terms of housing, healthcare, hygiene, etc. One person said "We should evaluate for their mental capacity because any normally logical person would just do X". I pointed out that there was a potentially abusive situation and therefore """normal"" "logic" isnt applicable. Because abuse isnt normal, and therefore our reactions dont follow "normal logic". Logic in an abusive situation is entirely different, because the goal is to avoid abuse, and as you said, survive. So logic derived from those circumstances works in those circumstances, but fails and becomes ""illogical"" in non-abusive situations
YES. THIS. Trauma responses should never be mocked or belittled. They served a purpose at one point in our lives and our nervous system is still operating under those survival tactics. This is exactly why an actual therapist or even a team of therapists needs to oversee this bootcamp, because people like these instructors don’t know this information and even if they did, they wouldn’t know how to navigate it with a student.
@@DustinPoynterVideosthis is exactly why they would NEVER have any licensed mental health professionals on their staff-because they know what they’re doing is sadistic and that any MH professional would be horrified and demand that they stop their abusive “therapy” sessions.
I also want to say that these men will probably suffer more mentally after the “course” because they will realize that they spent $20k+ and their trauma was not fixed only amplified. 😕
I am no expert but I've worked with kids who developed emotional disabilities as a result of trauma and this makes me so angry. Trauma has some nasty physical side effects as well as mental. These men are just making the situation so much worse
Allegedly, the dead person was named Richard "Ricky" Spoon, from New York. Wife named Kaitlin, and child due October 2020. Obits posted in April of that year. He was a member of IBEW 97.
So many people told me “oh just keep a journal you’ll feel great about it. That’s a big NO, because it’s like reliving it again as I write. Nope don’t need that. All these men running that boot camp, well it is one big PTSD party for real! Pretty sure those guys are carrying some trauma from all their military experience. How many of them have been successful at marriage? Have any been married over 15 years? Don’t ask them if they are happy. Get the wife in a room without him and ask if she is happy. This whole boot camp would just cause my ptsd to live large with all their yelling and no sleep. That’s what the ex husband did to me he would stroll in at 2 or 3am flip on the lights and scream at me because he didn’t want me to park the way I parked or he was just mad at me. He did that so often that after we divorced I would wake at 2am my eyes would pop open and I would sit up and wondered why I was awake. Sleep deprivation causes serious problems. It took years to undo that trauma.
My ex did the same to me re: sleep deprivation. He knew I had to work early in the morning and he’d keep me up until 4-5am talking/screaming/berating me because “we needed to talk through our problems and I never talked to him!” (But he did this to me every night!) this was at the end of the relationship, when I told him I’d signed a lease and was moving out. He was desperate to save “us” 🙄 after 8 long years of abuse. I noped on out of there as soon as the apartment was ready! But that sleep deprivation was brutal.
@@jennifergraceh This sounds so familiar, right down to the 8 years and getting a new place. I have problems with insomnia already, so him either stopping me from going to bed when I'd already exhausted myself enough I knew I could finally fall asleep, or waking me once I was asleep was extra traumatizing. Especially when half the time he'd want sex to "help us get closer" after berating me for hours. I still have serious issues around consent.
I have c-ptsd and this would trigger me so badly that I'd be in a fight reflex that leads to violence. I've been triggered like that before and it's horrible. The disassociation and the come down are enough to add more trauma
@itsdamoon compound or complex ptsd. Essentially irs caused by multiple traumatic experiences overlapping either in the event or aftermath. So you might be recovering from assault and be in a trauma response when suddenly you are in a severe car accident. Ir compounds the trauma and the responses. For me I was emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abused throughout my child and teen years by a number of people with different methods of abusing. This has created a complex web of reactions to trauma because each situation called for different survival needs
If my spouse wants to get yelled, screamed, emasculated, go through physical hell, and tons of abusive BS. I can do that to them for free and a cattle prod in one hand. $20K for that is ridiculous.
@littlecake453 It's okay. Everyone takes a comment a little too seriously sometimes. But no, I would sooner get my husband help or divorce him than do what these stupid alpha camps do. I was just more pointing out that 20K for abuse is ridiculous.
Old man is stuck in the past. As a drill sergeant 10 years ago, my husband was no longer allowed to curse in a soldier's face. Yell, yes, not cursing. As a basic training soldier 20 years ago my drill sergeants were able to get their points across without spewing profanities. Also, there are so many other curse words, come up with something new already. Broken record.
I remember people complaining when news got out that drill sergeants would not be allowed to curse at soldiers because it meant the military had gone soft. My first thought was that the military finally took the training wheels off, now the drill sergeants get to be creative.
Thank you! I went through basic training in 2022. It was one of the hardest experiences of my life. We got smoked plenty. No one needed to call us name. It was challenging enough. Having a lack of empathy or sympathy doesn’t make someone “tough.” I would say it makes you a weak leader, not a strong one.
@stephenferry3017 the quiet drill sergeants is the one you really worry about because they are the ones thinking up new and interesting ways to smoke you.
This "program" has set the progress of mental health back a few hundred years. These assholes are completely reinforcing the stigma we, as a society, have been desperately trying to eradicate for years! Not to mention the massive individual damage being inflicted onto these poor souls. Excellent presentation, Dustin. Well done, my friend! ❤❤❤❤❤
Yeeaaahhh this reminds me of basic training I went through. If they wanted to go through this mess, they could’ve just joined the military for free (aaaannnd consequently develop MORE trauma) instead of paying $20K. *gets to the burying people alive part*: SO THIS IS A CRIME
I am absolutely THRILLED that you are making long form videos now! Your shorts are funny and entertaining, but this is the best of both worlds, entertaining and informative, and I'm here for it ❤
@@DustinPoynterVideosomg do one on the camps where parents have their wayward teens kidnapped and sent to bootcamps like these! They're even worse than these but the kids are there involuntarily and indefinitely and the PARENTS send them there. Absolutely horrifying. (Ps I'm also thrilled you're doing this! Great work!!)
I tried journaling about a trauma before I was ready, and it absolutely wrecked my brain for a few months and I took several steps back in my mental health. I'm scared to approach that topic in any way now because of the effect it had.
I've been waiting years to pursue EMDR or ART therapy because I know I need to be in the right headspace and was struggling. I'm just about there but SO nervous now. Can't imagine asking for this hell and knowing I'll be reliving any of my trauma in the next three days. Yeesh.
This is as "therapeutically healing" as someone who burned their hand on the stove setting themselves on fire as "treatment". Damn right you wont give a shit about your hand anymore, your entire body is covered in burns now. What hand?
Because when I think of mentally stable men that I want to help other men through their ptsd journey, I think military.... just wow. Love that you're on TH-cam now!
This is why it is important to hug your sons, to tell them that sometimes you just need to cry it out, teach them that men and boys deserve the tools to feel with their feelings and manage them in a healthy way, and most importantly show them that there is no shame in talking to someone who is qualified to help them about how they feel (mentally, physically, spiritually). Men deserve to have the same expectations as anyone else when it comes to processing trauma and emotion.
They're training people the way they were trained so they can get "their turn" being in charge of the abuse. Prior service combat vet here, and i got angry watching this, because my first thought was,"Do you want a knife in your neck, because this is how you get a knife in your neck!" These fellas think their military service makes them mental health pros like college graduates think their certificates make them all-knowing. How does ANYONE, anywhere at any time benefit positively from being yelled at, degraded, and threatened? Never. And they charge $20k for this!? Robbery in the highest degree! Talk about false advertisement! I'm not one to immediately say "toxic masculinity" because we need tough, rugged, strong willed men in the world, but at the same time, there's a line that crosses from leader to abuser, and they've left that line way in the dust long ago. Their "healing" is nothing more than them putting the physical and mental hurt on others, in order to make themselves feel more like the definition of "man" they didn't attain themselves from those who trained them in this same way. They're big, tough men who are acting like children, yelling as a means to do everything.
Why would anyone think military service makes them a mental health anything? Military service, particulatly combat duty, is just massively harmful for mental health virtually across the board. Veterans have obscenely high rates of PTSD (obviously) addiction, abuse and self-harm. It's an entire institution built around authoritarian hierarchy, violence and toxic masculinity and many of these guys are Not OK. Military bases house some of the most dysfunctional neighborhoods in the US: drug trafficking, sex trafficking, child abuse, spousal abuse, murders, the kinds of stuff that goes on at some of these places is disturbing. Military service is supposed to be a necessary evil. Even if you dont see combat, it's usually something ppl need to do bc they dont have other opportunities. Boot camp is the intentional infliction of stress & trauma to prepare people for the possibility of it. In no way is military service good for mental health, unless you only serve in peacetime and get a good-paying career out of it. Not only does military service not make someone any kind of expert on mental health, it's essentially the opposite; if you've served in the military there is a strong possibility that you need mental healthcare even if you didnt before.
@@mediumvillain Though I agree with most of what you said, it's not flawless. What you said is true for most combat arms jobs, but there are tons of military occupations that are not combat driven, and never see combat. Also, there's lots of mental health jobs that train specifically for mental health. Another fallacy is that people go into the service because they have no other options. Not true. I was college bound with multiple options to choose from in the field of IT, but 9/11 happened and pissed me off and I signed up. Your comment makes me think you didn't serve, and that's okay, but please refrain from making broad brush generalizations because a group of bad apples upsets or frustrates you about a particular group. Most military folk do things far better than their civilian counterparts. Others, like the men in this video, obviously do not. I mean no disrespect. Just wanted to correct a couple of assumptions in your comment. Have a good one.
@@jaybuffie9624 Well, someone is biased enough that they said "most military folks do things far better than their civilian counterparts" and think that's totally reasonable while saying I'm not being entirely fair lmao. Just having served in the military wouldnt make someone some kind of polymath who can claim wide ranging expertise in things like psychology. I thought that's what you were getting at but the way you said it made it seem like you think someone with basic military training has cause to believe they're equivalent to someone who just went through college and got a degree. That would only be true if they went through an accredited vocational program in the military, which is either exactly the same as a civilian university program or more specialized for military service. The only way someone could think they're an expert in psychology because of military service is if they got a psychology degree through the military, and it would be pretty much the same education you'd get from a university program in that field. Really anyone could have the training to perform their specific job pretty well if they were part of an institution funded by a bottomless money vortex, and the military is all about specific jobs. But the truth of the matter is that an engineer who studied at a decent university is not in any way inferior to an engineer from an Army or Navy program. Regardless, most of the regular people I know who went into the service either just served their time like a prison sentence to try to get some kind of career out of it because we had so few opportunities where I'm from (and most did not get any long term career benefits), or they came out of wartime some of the most troubled, traumatized, dysfunctional people I've seen and dove straight into the opioid epidemic & rehab, or some came back from the service in peacetime as full-blown reactionary psychopaths who nobody talks to anymore even in their own families. I'm aware that people are used to a culture deifying anyone who's been in the armed services, and a culture in the armed services of arrogant superiority (despite decades of evidence contrary to that from things we wont get into and being run through quite possibly the most corrupt & inefficient institution in a government overflowing with it)... except I'm not a nationalist and I'm not here to mythologize institutions that primarily serve the interests of the billionaire class. People can be good, people can be good at their job; institutions are what they are, and the US military (intermeshed as it is into the globalized corporate weapons manufacturing/"defense" industry) has more fundamental problems than someone could even begin to get into in a TH-cam comment. And, yes, it has for decades targeted young people from poor backgrounds with few opportunities, explicitly promising a path to a college education and a good-paying job. The military has effectively become a public vocational program where if you get the wrong job you might be expected to occupy, kill or torture some people on behalf of some corporate interest or political theatre.
This is so dangerous for them to be doing. Imagine what the ultra traumatizing can do to these already traumatized folks. I understand it will add to the PTSD that's already there, but I feel like it can trigger someone to continue self harming if that is something they do, or trigger someone to start self harming to deal with the trauma they cause these poor guys, and the worst: self - deletion. Ugh this needs to be shut down ASAP. These men are making things worse, not better. Again, it's so dangerous. How is this not shut down yet?!
There's literally no reason to call verbal abuse, hydration and food withholding, sleep deprivation and other forms of mental, emotional, and physical torture "healing".
I have no idea if you will see this, but: thank you. I discovered your channel today, and have been binging through the videos. When i came across this one, i was expecting the usual format, silliness, etc. But, as someone who personally has cPTSD due to severe childhood trauma, I was pleasantly surprised at the depth of knowledge you have in discussing the topic, and you bring up a lot of good points, information. I get the sense that you also might have cPTSD due to some of the techniques you were talking about, and I'm sorry for whatever you went through that caused it. Bringing light to healthy approaches to resolving trauma is not something I ever expected from this channel, but It made me respect you immensely (and was what ended up getting me to sub haha) Thank you, again. And take care.
I knew about what MDK was when I found out that a Survivor contestant named Joe Anglim went through it. He's the guy in the thumbnail being threatened with a knife.
Watching this I kept having flashbacks of Zoltan Kansas’s Alpha Male standup show. “You can’t ALL be Alpha males, there’s one alpha and it’s Joe Rogan. He feeds you supplements like a baby bird and you regurgitate whatever he tells you.” 😅
This is so, so bad for everyone involved: the guys who are clearly trying to deal with trauma in their lives, the environment they are coming back to (family, friends, colleagues, pets) and the future they are shaping for those they are guiding (for example their kids).
Okay, I'm just a humble film nut with a mental illness and a passion for writing, but being buried alive is a surprisingly common plot device in media specifically intended to GIVE CHARACTERS TRAUMA. In good fiction, it's not handled lightly and has long-lasting, serious consequences. The idea that burying people alive in real life would somehow heal trauma is laughably absurd at best and downright disturbing at worst
But they are clearly actually Obsessed with their feelings. These clients are all narcissists filled with fear and self loathing that want to get an alpha male certificate for cos playing marines. and somehow erase that gnawing emptiness inside them that makes them narcissists...
So it sounds like they just looked at a list of what therapists use for healing and decided they could do it, too, without knowing how the tactics are actually applied.
This mentality is why so many front-line responders end their lives. It does not open conversations re mental health, let alone supportive; it shuts it down with detrimental outcomes for the individual and their family and friends. Constant disruptions to one’s sympathetic nervous system and dorsel vagal activation aka a persistent state of flight, fight, freeze or fold can cause a multitude of physical and psychological conditions. For example including: cardiovascular disease, arthritis, diabetes, respiratory disorders, digestive disorders, chronic pain, insomnia, loss of reproductive system functioning, and an increase risk of mental health disorders. These guys seem to be using a completely distorted version of exposure therapy and need to be shut down asap.
In 72 hours, you not only get over PTSD but somehow have enough time to take financial and entrepreneurial courses on top of boot camp, while also doing other things that also take longer than three days. This includes digging your own grave and being buried in a body bag. You are more likely to get a kidney infection from not being allowed to drink than becoming a trauma-free alpha dude entrepreneur. Seventy-two hours, even with minimal sleep, is not that long to accomplish much, except for that kidney infection.
As a veteran who went through a LOT of training, including SERE training, psychological resistance training and pain tolerance training for my particular MOS, I totally understand why it's necessary for the military to train service members that way. They're not thinking about the long term affects these types of training have on the individual. Their goal is to make sure you can keep it together when the shit hits the fan to continue to soldier on and complete the mission. In the moment, you have to be able to compartmentalize your emotions to give you and those who are counting on you a better chance at surviving when the worst of the worst is going on around you. That's why I think it is SO important that veterans recieve proper mental and physical after care once their service time is completed. Which, in my opinion, the military fails at miserably! But, for your average Joe with a regular 9-5, a mortgage, and a family, this type of "therapy" is NOT the way to go and does WAY more harm than good! Instead of teaching them how to deal with the emotions their trauma envokes, it's just giving them tools to bury it deeper and deeper. While forcing your emotions down for the short term during something like a combat event may be necessary for a higher chance of survival, it's just not feasible for the long term and living a life that is physically and mentally healthy. Eventually, everything you bury down will come back to the surface. And it's all going to come back at the same time. Once that dam breaks, the flood won't be held back. It's best to deal with it, one issue at a time. And with each issue you deal with, you'll learn new ways to help deal with other issues that arise in the future. These guys are using their military experience to prey on people who need help, feel like they've got no where else to turn, and are desperate. To me, that's very dishonorable!
No, no. It's the psychology equivalent of handing someone a rusty serrated knife and some Legos and making them do a knee replacement surgery on themself with no training, no anaesthesia, no antibiotics, no iodine or sterile fricken anything, just here ya go, give yourself knee surgery, YER A MAN, DEW IT OR ELSE
It's not. It's so much worse. They're actively harming these men and boys, not just neglecting to provide them any actual medical help. This is straight up abuse. Like. They are physically and emotionally abusing these men on some "tough love" bs mentality. Most homeopathy is only harmful because it leads to people not seeking proper care. Some of it is definitely harmful but anyone being reasonable about their homeopathy isn't really going to be doing the more dangerous things like freaking coffee enemas or whatever. This program barely even pretends to help anyone. This is McKamey Manor all over again under a different title. They enjoy hurting these men.
The military training is for war. Not for normal life. They basically increased these individuals trauma and if they didn’t have ptsd before they do when they finish this camp. Boot camp belongs in military not every day life. The military is training for war. Not for business and family matters. These men are gonna snap and hurt someone or themselves.
Isn't this literally part of the problem with a lot of police departments too? They get military-type training when the subburbs or inner city....aren't a war zone. Even the really bad places (in the U.S. at least) are a far cry from a war zone, which creates a lot of problems when they try normal life as if it was a militaristic threat
Horrendous, that's psychological warfare what they're doing to these men. It makes me think about something a friend told me where they do something similar in Mormon camping trips. The kids go through a rigorous multi-day hike with limited supplies, leaving them in a mentally compromised state by the end as a result. And then once the kids reach the end they're given food and water while teaching their ways, making them more susceptible to just accept without question. (My friend articulates the science/psychology behind it better than I can recall, but it's basically that)
I practice yoga. I've been told in many classes that the issues are in the tissues. Meaning that we need to stretch and exercise to move the emotion out of our bodies. Another thing I learned from my yoga teachers is a psychological technique of changing how you feel in the moment. Do you identify how you feel with three words or less and then you find positive words that are the opposite of those feelings. Now you make a mantra of those three words and you say it to yourself over and over again. For example if I felt frightened, alone and lost. I always tell myself that I am safe, protected and loved. After 5 minutes of repeating that, I feel a whole lot better in my soul.
**thank you** for referencing that "fine line." We have a window of tolerance for any type of processing trauma and all those lovely challenges we're dealing with. Ignoring that and just pushing a person past that window, isn't healing, it's blatantly retraumatizing. Edit: I'd love to hear your thoughts on the 75 hard program. Second edit: genuinely, thank you for this video and for collaborating with a professional. I'm a therapist and I kept going to write a comment to add detail that I thought could be helpful, and then YOU were ahead of me and gave the facts yourself. This is lovely, accurate, and gives me so much hope because it is vital for people to understand what actual mental health help should look like.
This is SO disturbing. These poor men are so desperate for male validation that they're literally putting their lives (both mental and physical) in danger. It is just so deeply depressing...
Does anyone else thinks that it is ironic to have combat veterans who have first hand experience with trauma ,PTSD and what is needed to overcome it doing such a lousy job at helping others?
Ironic, but more because this are obviously combat veterans who are likely traumatized with PTSD who HAVEN'T overcome it, trying to teach others to do what they haven't. Also the military is notoriously bad about recognizing/discussing mental health issues, not not really a surprise
I wish I could say I cannot believe this exists, but I definitely am not shocked that things like this exist. It is so awful that people go through this.
Love how their solution to cure trauma is to give them more by verbally and emotionally abusing them for 72 hours, probably body shaming and using the traumas told in confidence as a weapon. That's not therapy, that's not treatment, that's just abuse. So many alarm bells go off in my head about all of this, especially the Journalling bit because that's just. So wrong. On so many levels. There's reasons why therapists cant talk about what their patients tell yhem (barring extreme circumstances), *and this is the fucking reason*. I hate how much the men's mental health crisis keeps producing shit like this for profit and self gratification. It's disgusting.
Absolutely appreciate the long-form content! As much as the shorter red flag reactions amuse me, they don't always address the root of the problems being presented. There are a ton of people out there who could benefit from videos like this one, or any video you might do that expands on an issue and explains why the content is harmful. It's helpful because, at least from my own neurodivergent perspective, if I'm being told to raise my expectations, approach a problem differently, end a relationship, etc., I need to understand exactly why before I consider that advice. Especially in the context of relationships. There are a lot of red flags that many people (including me) will often overlook, or find ways to justify to themselves, because despite a partner's problematic behaviour you often still love them and want to think the best of them. If I had posted a video talking about my physically and verbally abusive ex while we were together and you were tagged and responded with a red flag reaction, I would have just told myself something like, "this guy just doesn't understand our dynamic. He doesn't see how much we truly love each other. Afterall, no relationship is perfect". Or course now, several years after the fact, I can look back absolutely appalled at the way this person treated me and realize that if they treated this way, they clearly did NOT love me. I think if someone had truly taken the time to explain a few things to me back then though, like for example what narcissistic abuse is and what tactics narcissists use to control empathetic people, I might have been more receptive to that brand of advice than I was to my friends just being like, "MAN BAD! LEAVE BAD MAN!". They were right of course, man was bad, and I should have left a lot sooner, but I didn't fully understand until much later. Not until an amazing friend, who sadly has since passed away (RIP Katie), dragged me out of the place I shared with this man kicking and screaming, drove me from Alberta where I had moved to with this guy back to my home province of BC (Canada), and offered me a place to stay while I reflected on things and got back on my feet. After that act of kindness and adequate time to really examine the behaviour of my former partner, it was obvious to me (finally) that I had been seriously abused. For an intelligent person I felt pretty stupid, but after some time I stopped blaming myself, and instead appropriately blamed the master manipulator/predator that is one GIANT walking red flag. I think you have the power to do what Katie did for me, all from behind a computer screen. You spread a crucial kind of awareness. That kind of awareness can save people from toxic/abusive situations. You can literally rescue people, using just your knowledge, charisma, approachability, empathy, sense of humour, some giant pieces of brightly colored fabric, and of course the enormous amount of effort it must require to produce content of this quality. Lol, no pressure. Just telling you to go save the world or whatever. But only because you've already demonstrated that you know how to, you have what it takes to do it, and you're willing to put in serious time to help educate people. Thank you for everything you've done and will do. PS: I know this comment focused more on the red flag stuff, but your green flag videos are also powerful in their own way. Not only does wholesome content like that brighten people's lives, it also empowers people to make positive choices. By highlighting good behaviour so it can be recognized and repeated, and illustrating how good behaviour is deserving of being celebrated (and is thus its own reward) you motivate people to be better. Green flag for that, fella!
"MAN BAD! LEAVE BAD MAN" That phrasing is funny because it's true. I'm glad you had people in your life who could help you and that you're in a better place now. Try not to feel stupid, as abusers are very good at hiding their nature. Sending 🤗 or your preferred equivalent.
Absolutely love your content. So ready to follow you here after whats been going on on FB. I wish creators like you existed years ago when I was going through 2 abusive relationships without even realizing it, but I’m thankful people like you are putting this out into the world now so my daughters can grow up exposed to your message online as well as by us at home.
Another way to think of those "toxic cognitions" that I have used is that they are simply adaptations which worked once, but maybe were not intended for long term operation, kind of like coding errors. When problem solving, you can change one piece of code to resolve your current issue and be happy that it does, only to later discover that it caused a wrinkle somewhere else. That doesn't make the initial change toxic, just maybe not the best solution for the long term.
BT-dubs (yes, it's 2004 in my mind) I was a volunteer service dog trainer with an org who provided service dogs for veterans with PTSD. It was one of the most profound experiences of my life to witness the benefit. Just being in the presence of dogs helps, but when you train a dog to identify and predict a trauma response, and then train a specific behavior that mitigates the trauma, it's better than drugs or psychotherapy. Dogs have incredibly high emotional intelligence--more so than humans. I stopped working with this particular organization for two reasons: 1. They refused to train shelter dogs for this function and would only train pure bred-dogs that were donated-- which left too many vets on waiting lists. And 2. They were MAGA right-wingers. It's my dream to start a rescue dog service training program for trauma.
I think shelter dogs can be good ESAs but everything I know about service dogs suggests that a good breeding program is the best practice for both dogs and humans. The support dog training program near me breeds their own dogs and raises them on site and later housed with volunteers from birth. They're breeding for temperament, intelligence, low prey drive, etc. I agree that many shelter dogs can be emotional support animals. But it's very unlikely to get a shelter dog who is as well suited to the continual hard work of a service animal as a dog bred for it. You might get lucky, and a dog might have a specific ability or skill that aligns with the need. But it's too much of a risky crapshoot to be sustainable to train shelter dogs like that.
I'm so happy to see this video made. Healthy trauma healing needs to be talked about more. I didn't learn about any of this until I reached out to a local victim center and they signed me up for a class about trauma. I'm happy to see that we're all ending cycles and working on this in a positive way, rather than further traumatizing people with things like this boot camp.
As soon as you mentioned Chris, the former Air Force SERE instructor, I knew this would be bad. US SERE training is, among other things like survival and escape skills, used to teach active duty military personnel how to resist torture and not give up information. How do they do this, you ask? Well, through literal torture of the students, both psychological and physical. Apparently they don’t officially waterboard people anymore as of 07, but it wouldn’t shock me if that was still happening.
So what I want to know is how do we get them closed down? Possibly arrested? This was a great video, I love what you are doing! As awful as this is, your content has so much positivity and hope I absolutely LOVE IT! Thank you!
Honestly, arrests would be tough because they probably aren't doing anything illegal. These men are adults who not only consented to this but paid insane amounts of money for it, and I'm sure they had to sign paperwork so that there was written consent. It isn't illegal to pay to have someone yell obscenities and spray you with a hose as you workout, which is essentially what this is. And this isn't a prison, these men CAN leave at any time the want. About the only thing that might be possible is if they're advertising this as a mental health retreat when they aren't mental health professionals, maybe their license to operate could get pulled.
This is HORRIBLE!!, 😫 Making money on the back of victims of PTSD is DISGUSTING!, 😢 My hubby has childhood trauma and more trauma as an adult, he has been unable to work for the past 3 1/2 years (and probably wont ever again), has PTSD, chronic depression, perception disorder, general anxiety disorder and in his name I thank you for shedding light on this! It is unacceptable and they should not be able to do this...
As someone who struggles with c-ptsd and a lot of trauma. If I went to this “boot camp” I have a feeling I would come out with more traumas than I had going in.. This is absolutely crazy! I hope it gets shut down
As someone with CPTSD I had a hard time watching this one. Working on my mental health took me years and I'm starting again in September with the next therapy. You can't cure CPTSD/PTSD that way. I'm lost for words. How is this even legal? Buried alive.. horrific. Thank you for your hard work and for making programs like this one known and shedding light on the dangers of such programs.
DUUUUUUUUDE. That definition of PTSD is the most spot-on I've heard/felt yet. P-ingTSD gives PTSD. You have just bestowed upon me a weird way of dealing, a broken skeleton key that will fit perfectly. ❤
Just found your channel guy, love your content and this one particularly being a man and openly talking about mental health in a very informative way, thanks for using your platform to do that!
At 12:35 you only read the first sentence. It goes on to say, "However you do need to be conditioned to do hikes, bear crawls, team log carries, truck pulls, jogs, push-ups, and a variety of body weight exercises. I think that pretty clearly states the truth.
I’m all for expressing masculinity in how you feel is best. I believe that it is self-defined. But I also believe there are better ways to work on your mental health then subjecting yourself to this torture
I would add that if how someone feels is the best way to express their masculinity involves hurting others, that's not something we should just say is okay, and that a person like that needs to re-evaluate how they view masculinity.
this is hands down one of your best videos and i’ve been binge watching all of them the last couple days. this video is being slept on for real. i’ve learned so much. thank you ❤
Amazing job Dustin! Appreciate you having me on and shedding light on the dangers of programs like this when it comes to to healing trauma! “Mental Health Matters”🙏
Fantastic conversation and I really appreciate you contributing!! Definitely would love to have you weigh in on another mental health topic that I tackle in the future. Thanks so much Tom!
Mental health is very important
I'm not even 5 minutes into this video and I just got to the part where they're yelling at everybody and my anxiety has risen up significantly because I have cptsd and major depressive disorder and I can't handle this I might have to turn it down and put on closed captioning just so I can watch the video.
I'm not even 5 minutes into this video and I just got to the part where they're yelling at everybody and my anxiety has risen up significantly because I have cptsd and major depressive disorder and I can't handle this I might have to turn it down and put on closed captioning just so I can watch the video.
As somebody who has been doing therapy for years, this HORRIFIED me.
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2. do them all anyways
3. alpha male podcast
4. profit
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LOL
They're like the worst underpants gnomes ever
@@matthewcaldwell8100 Oi oi! Don't compare these freaks to gnomes. They're precious little chaos demons not evil. 😉
“I’ll give you something to cry about” vibes. Trying to out trauma the trauma with new trauma
That’s what I was thinking. This isn’t going to heal trauma. It’s going to cause more trauma.
@@rebecca55371 Yeah big "you think your arm hurts? Let me break your foot" style medicine.
It's well known that once you reach 100 trauma points your trauma resets automatically.
Yeah, this is definitely just re-traumatizing yourself.
Whether it's yourself or someone else, it's not possible to bully someone out of the effects of their trauma.
My parents used to say this after they 'disciplined' me.
The moment I saw there were two Marines involved, 😅 "Aw jeez what are the odds that they're not addressing their own PTSD correctly and taking it out on other people?" ...
Well dang, they've made a career out of reliving their trauma. That's entrepreneurship and a half. They're setting those other fellas back about five years in their efforts in healing but at least they're all ahead in the bank... those toxic walking red flags.
To those who got out and actually are working on your shit, I salute you.
exactly
Excellent observation. There are so many PTSD "therapy retreats" that include shooting a variety of weapons and some dont have the greatest safety record. Its absolutely insane. Especially when you see vets doing great healing work with their peers that can include the opportunity to be vulnerable in a safe environment. What a mind f*ck for the people who are trying to reach out.
Exactly right. Amen to that
That is EXACTLY what I thought as well! Like, they're getting paid to vent THEIR anger and to trauma dump on the participants to make THEMSELVES feel better, not the other way around!
@@queenb1119 which is what going through this will make some of those participates do with other people in their life, just using different methods.
As someone training in mental health this makes me wanna sob. Why aren't authorities closing this down its basically just paying to be abused.
The worst part of this, for me personally, is that this looks like the TROUBLED TEEN INDUSTRY camps. Those are CHILDREN. If authorities won't shut THOSE down, why would they bother with "Grown Men"?
This is so scary! I wonder how it’s legal to advertise it as a mental health service (healing trauma boot camp) without having any mental health training or licensing?
From everything I have seen, they have zero mention of the course healing trauma on their website, and they very rarely mention it on their social media channels. Their founder did a podcast interview and released a clip from it where he he alluded to the "real reason" for creating the course was to help men heal from trauma with journaling. He also alluded to kind of keeping that portion of the course secret because, in his words, "you're never going to get a bunch of men to talk about their trauma." In my opinion, they keep it mostly secret to do the best they can to avoid legal repercussions.
right
Isn't it though?, it's not helping these men it's making them more vulnerable to themselves and dangerous for others to be around.
Not a fan of generalizing, but gna do it anyway. Military men are the LAST people to seek out when learning to heal. Marines and army infantry specifically are integrated into a "don't think, just do" mentality and lifestyle. It makes it easier to do their jobs if they're more animalistic. They preach "adapt and overcome", but never actually learn to adapt into regular society.
It's all in how you word the product you are pushing. Phrase it right and you can easily fly under the radar.
Licensed Mental Health Therapist here! Thank you so much for calling out this barbaric and abusive program for what it is. And providing the academic receipts! The way that these men are being treated and the messaging going out to men at large is so digusting. These people are acting as cult leaders, and they must be stopped. I hope their victims are able to find healing, in their bodies and souls.
This is in no way healing…I’m a therapist focusing on Trauma and PTSD, specifically as a result of relationship abuse. Would love the opportunity to weigh in a bit here.
Exactly. The opposite of healing. As someone with C-PTSD due to abuse this would just cause severe dissociation and I'd get home 20k less well off with no recollection of the entire course and probably some new nightmares.
I wish there were more professionals that saw these types of "services" as unhealthy. I had a psychiatrist at a public hospital try to send me to the TTI which was really weird
I don't remember if it was this camp or a nearly identical one where the founder said that he's become a better man through much suffering and trauma and therapy. And guess which part these camps completely leave out.
I was told that journaling trauma is a bad idea, I'm guessing because it causes you to go back to that place mentally, and also it might create new pathways in your mind?
At the risk of sounding flippant or cavalier, nobody who actually went through basic training would pay 20K to go through an abbreviated version of it that seemed only to focus on the worst parts. I spent 8 years in and hot take is that basic is a necessary evil, like a test you endure to make it to actual service. The vets involved have either bought their own bs or it's a cynical and dangerous con. Spending that much on a 3 day macho fantasy camp would actually cause me PTSD.
My understanding is the military is moving away from the "break them down so you can build them up" model and focusing more on "help your fellow soldier be their best so we are all best". And hazing has never been a part of boot camp ever, but there are some real toxic instructors who take it too far.
For me I see these instructors as marine red flags that couldn't transition to civilian life afterwards because of what they went through. As toxic as it was the marines gave them an identity and they cling to it because they don't know how to become anything else.
@@elizabethwhitman7846 I went to army basic training in 2012. It’s a careful balancing act. Basic had a method to its madness that some people got and some people didn’t. It was meant to simulate combat stress and chaos and so you learn to make a rapid decision under chaotic stress, while also acting selflessly and learning to work as a team, and not freezing under stress or questioning things when immediate action needed to happen.
The first 3-4 weeks were the worst because that’s when the most “smoking (slang for physical exercise) for no reason” and collective punishment smoke sessions happens bc someone screwed something up or forgot a weapon. known as Red Phase. Then you transition to White phase and then Blue Phase, where you learn more technical things, the drill sergeants start easing up, and collective corrective training starts goes away in favor of holding someone individually responsible for a misguided action.
That’s the general set up anyway, every company and cycle was different, some were harsher than others, others cushy, some never made it out of red phase. All of this could be very different by now as it’s been 12 years since I did the training
This training camp just looks like how much abuse can you take as an individual to prove how tough you are, which wildly misses the point of basic training in the first place
Depending on which country's military you join, many are NOT permitted to do this any more. The Canadian military is, at no point, permitted to scream at, curse at, assail, or harass members or recruits. It's not productive. It doesn't help with retention. It doesn't make anyone more able to do perform their duties as an active member. It boggles my mind, in 2024, that any developed nation would still be engaging in these practices.
@@vanessamacneil5978 Vanessa, nobody in this video is currently in the military. The students probably never have been and the so-called cadre, instructors are veterans. I was in the US Navy and then the US Army so I can't speak for other nation's military branches. However, I can tell you that in order to put us in stressful situations, we were sometimes screamed at or given contradictory orders. If someone is going to break when it gets tough, better to know in basic than later in the field or the fleet. This is military theater, roleplaying.
@gordonandrews2374 It's pure BS is what it is - it's the kind of play acting you see from people who never went anywhere, never did anything, and it honestly makes me question their military credentials. Robert Daly made it onto an internationally broadcasted TV lying about being a green beret before he got caught.
My husband is RCAF. Did a combined Basic course, then everyone goes off to do element specific training. They didn't get screamed at or berated. They were placed under extreme stress, some of them broke, but it was nothing like this reckless, toxic nonsense. I wonder if anyone has requested service records on any of these guys?
Years ago, I almost got decked by a couple having a shouting match in a grocery store. Every other word was "f**k." It seemed to be the ONLY swear word they knew. Of the wealth of words in English to insult someone, "f**k" was it. I started giggling, and they turned in unison to stare me down. I backed away.
These guys are just like that couple. Of all the tv, movies, books they've seen, "f**k" is it. No imagination, no steals. Just endless, mind numbing abuse. This organization deserves to be sued for crimes against the English language.
And aren't there laws about "pratcicing medicine without a license"?
This isn't therapy, it's sadism.
I've worked as a dominatrix. All I can say is....THIS is abuse. I don't claim to HEAL. That's not what it is about. But in my case "abuse" is not random, but planned to the taste of the "victim." They are not being sensitive to them, and are randomly abusing them. This is dangerous. we stop the action completely for ONE wORD. This gives the "victim" control over the situation. Those victims have NO CONTROL over the situation once it starts. Yes, this is sadism, in it's purest form. And for pete's sake learn some other words, RIGHT? If you're going to argue, stick to the issues......(and don't do it in public)
@@valkyrie1066 At least your clients know what the boundaries are, and when they can start -- and stop -- the "action."
Therapy is about giving control and power back. This isn't that. It's bullying, and cruelty.
People with depression/anxiety/childhood trauma/ptsd or c-ptsd/phobias and many other mental health issues are ALREADY more likely to have issues with sleeping; Whether that it is sleeping "too much" or struggling to get enough sleep and/or struggling with poor sleep quality.
The last thing these people need is to be deprived of sleep, water and the ability to rest or take a break, while being put in situations that cause hyperventilating and panic attacks, which just retraumatise people.
This is nothing short of abuse of vulnerable people
This, for once, we'd say is worse than Springbrook.
Springbrook Behavioral Health was where we were sent by our father and stepmom after we attempted 4 times in a 24 hour period. It's in Travelers Rest, SC. They did this "to fix you" and they said we were lying and manipulative when we didn't want to participate in therapy.
Here's what we went through (🍻 specifically exists because everyone else couldn't handle it and went dormant. 🍻 was the sole host and member for those months, and it still affects him to this day):
-Allowing another patient to s3xually assault us and writing the infraction as "consensual" so we couldn't file legal (it looked like we were going back on our own words in our record, that we were "one of those me too women," so we would never win, especially in South Carolina. We've given up due to that, and actually forgave the patient, since we know he wasn't being treated properly either and is also probably dead by now, given that he was on such a high prescription for his ASPD that he was already experiencing early renal failure and Springbrook's lead psychiatrist, Dr. Fisher, apparently straight up told him he probably wouldn't survive more than 2 years at that rate, while also saying in the same breath that he HAD to take that amount for the rest of his life to manage his diagnosis. He was 16. If that expiration date was accurate, he would have died back in 2019, so either rest in peace or rest in pieces, take your pick.)
-Left us in the shower from 8 pm to roughly 3 am (our therapist put a "soap check" order because our father said "we always smell and she won't shower properly." After we left the shower on our own twice due to being forgotten, and the $7.50 an hour staff forgot to write down that they completed soap check on our paperwork a few times when we DID get checked, she said if we ever left without soap check again, she would take away our "pencil privileges" for the rest of our stay. "Pencil privileges" was the ability to talk to other kids, the ability to sit anywhere in the room, to write or draw, or call family, which we stopped doing anyway after our abusive stepmother was made our only accessible number and we were banned from talking to our grandparents or mother. The time we actually got them revoked, for two hours [originally one, another hour was added by our therapist for what we are about to say] we tried to pick up a pencil and the staff came up and SNAPPED THE PENCIL IN HALF so we couldn't use it. Needless to say, we got forgotten again, and ended up trying to sleep in the warm shower since it was warmer than the cheesecloth we had to sleep with, anyway. After many hours, we finally realized we couldn't sleep on the linoleum, and we knocked out the bathroom door. Third shift came in and asked WHY WE WERE BACK IN THE SHOWER after making MANY 15-minute checks on our room, and we told them we had never gotten out. They asked when we got in, we said we got in when second shift was telling us all to take a shower. Second shift leaves at 10 pm. 3rd shift made us put soap on again, we did the soap check, we got out and fell asleep hearing the disbelief in the hallway that 2nd shift left us in the bathroom and we weren't discovered until 3 in the fucking morning. Our therapist never apologized for her response, but she did remove the check from the paperwork and told us "I guess you were right.")
-Consistent health hazard (the building was moldy, you could see the sky through the roof in some parts. There was black mold on some of the beds that was never taken care of until 👾 freaked out since we have asthma, and the showers' assist bars from when the place was a shell-shock clinic were constantly filled with a moldy soup. Also, the "4-star kitchen" they advertise on their website is actually only a 4-star CHEF that only comes in twice a month, and no one was wearing gloves or hairnets until everyone got foodborne illness from undercooked cafeteria-pan chicken enchilada. Apparently the building had already received several health code violations, but it was only THEN when they were on their last strike that they started wearing PPE.)
-blood draws every 3 days, in the middle of the night, and we were made fun of for "being a baby" and threatened with being strapped to the desk (we learned "vagaling" from the nurses telling us we were literally shitting ourselves from fear and laughing about it. Vagal reflex is basically when your blood pressure rapidly drops so you can actually #2 properly. When you feel like your face is losing feeling while going #2, that's vagal, since the lack of blood pressure will visibly make your face pale. Eventually we struck a deal with a male nurse to use the fact that we tend to sleep talk REALLY WELL so he could ask while we were asleep for consent, and answering machine will always automatically say "yes" if it means we are left alone to sleep. Even asking answering machine "are you awake" will get a yes, and we don't remember jack. No idea how many more draws they took, but at least we weren't there for it. 😅)
-Gave us a TB bubble test TWICE in a month (both were negative, but we've been told it should have only been done once since a negative result would mean we were clear and there wouldn't be an immediate risk of infection. Apparently, they needed to test us twice when that shouldn't be necessary, literally giving us the second bubble as soon as the first test disappeared.)
-Diagnosed us as BPD and OCD when that was clearly incorrect, never letting us speak (we have OCD, but Dr. Fisher said we had OCD about "impulsively rebelling against your parents." That's not OCD, dumbass, that's ODD. He also diagnosed our behavior as BPD, saying we were faking our headspace and dissociating to escape responsibilities, and ABUSING OUR PARENTS as a form of retaliation, so he put us on Luvox. Luvox basically destroyed the ability for 🍻 to dissociate, or for 👾 or anyone else to come back front from dormancy to help relieve duty. He had to take every second of it instead of being able to escape when left alone.)
-Repeatedly physically abusing us (our therapist SAT ON US AND LOCKED THE DOOR since we wouldn't admit we were "abusive and manipulative," and admit that "your parents are the best." The same parents who would strap us to a table to force us to eat when we were 6, and then when our 4 year old sister continued to refuse, forcing her to eat carrot baby food while calling her a baby and asking "doesn't it taste good, baby?" She did not get off of us or unlock the office until we said that we were abusive and that our parents are always right, word for word. Staff also would grab us, and they also bet on the patients' fights. Apparently I [🍻] was a "floppy fish" in the betting ranks because I couldn't fight well, basically getting into slap fights or being instantly pummeled while other kids were punching and choking each other out.)
-Destroyed our belongings (our Christmas gift of a shirt was torn in half because it had a hoodie string and it was sewn in at the top, and they literally just tried to rip it out. It was never replaced. We also had an expensive bottle of Fresh Cream Philosophy from our grandmother, so we'd have a good soap, and they let a patient from the "low-functioning" wing spill it and play with it until there was basically only 10% of it left in the bottle when it was originally almost untouched. This was also never replaced. They also stole our notebook several times and removed pages from it, which we never got back since they were given to our parents, who put it in the big garbage bag of evidence they have to prove that we're "fucking insane and a sociopath.")
ALL OF THIS, and the fact that they also nearly killed a patient (if you look up Chestnut Hill Behavioral or Springbrook Behavioral, which is just the same facility with a new name, there's many horrible reviews, but one parent said that Springbrook discharged their 12 year old child and refused to respond, even threatening legal action, after they left him in the ER dehydrated/malnourished, to the point the parent could SEE HIS HEART BEATING IN HIS CHEST, and nearly fatally OD'd on Wellbutrin, after the parents had DECLINED consent to give Wellbutrin.)
ALL OF THAT, and this is worse.
You don't get to sleep, when we were at least forced to with drugs to sleep from 9 pm to 7 am, and at least we got SOME food.
Sure, we eventually were so desperate for carbs or fat that we all started to add two butter packets and two sugar packets in our morning oatmeal (we were on a protein diet, since "carbs and fat worsen autism" and "make us hyperactive." We also were banned from any caffeine. Needless to say, they did fix the "hyperactive behavior," because we were all lethargic and hungry constantly, even stealing things like the gram cracker packs from the nurse cart or frosting bags from making cookies at Christmas. We *may* have done the latter, as well, and ate it all over three nights before going to bed... 😅) but at least we got food and water.
Like, holy shit, they didn't ban us from electrolytes when we exercised.
So, props to you, MLK. You officially beat a rundown, moldy building with abusive staff and the healing capacity of a pack of cigarettes. cPTSD is our specialty from childhood, and we were destroyed by Springbrook, but at least we didn't fucking die.
-🍻/👾/👥
Yeah the idea that sleep deprivation is in anyway good for someone trying to get past trauma is insane.
It's a recipe for broken people to fail and then pay to come back for more because they're not"fixed."
What really pisses me off is these guys are former military, so they think they know what it takes to train men to become “real men.” However, the military has structure. I went through basic training. I know what it’s like. We still got yelled at, we still got “smoked,” people still had breakdowns. But you know what? Our instructors were there to pick us up and support us through all the stress and conditioning. It’s not supposed to be traumatic, and constant verbal abuse like in the movies serves no purpose. I think all these former military dudes running the program are the worst types who slip through the cracks. The power tripping assholes who think bullying other people helps them and if they can’t take it, they’re weak and not worth anyone’s time. What a backwards mentality.
Yeah, the drill instructors aren't bullies. Of course I've been yelled at and smoke too, but when I was absolutely doing my best and thinking really hard, they HELPED me. 😮😅 I really struggled with room clearing and the drill Sargent didn't yell, just demonstrated and showed us how.
One time I fainted during a ruck. I was on my period and it was REALLY hot. They carried me up the hill and I kept going.
@@contemporarydncethot0382 My wife's a former Army DI and she says you're absolutely right. These -fcks- scream of CPL Smallcock energy.
I had one of these types of guys in my unit we deployed with. He was drill instructor school failure. He got to our unit and spent the entire time before and during the deployment yelling at anyone and everyone. Infact I could set my watch by his yelling. thankfully his behavior caught up to him and he pulled his weapon on a Junior marine and he was kicked out of the unit and sent to the brig. he was lucky it was just him and the junior. Half the shop probably would have taken the opportunity to take him out.
Point is that behavior doesn't even fly in the military. I hate these programs that try to act like what Hollywood thought drill instructors are and dial it to 11
They're basically fixing trauma with trauma. But they don't actually fix it, just add another one in the pile.
The trauma equivalent of shoving everything under your bed and saying you cleaned your room.
@@GhostBear3067 I feel like it's more the trauma equivalent of setting your house on fire because it was dirty.
Alternate name for this course: "Military Bros Mistaking Bootcamp for Therapy."
Even bootcamp is less sadistic than this... maybe not by a ton, but still.
I had nightmares from basic training for 25 years. The idea of going through it all again for nothing is terrifying. This looks like the kind of thing they send queer kids to try and make them “normal “
Right!!?! And those camps that are very hush hush...what are they called? Paris Hilton was a victim of those and is now big on shutting them down, trying to get laws that forbid their existence
@@lisastenzel5713 conversion camps if you're talking about gay kids, it's super sad :( didn't know Paris Hilton was a victim!!
@@chronophobiasdeliriumParis Hilton went to a different type of program that was equally horrible-one for “troubled teens” called Provo Canyon School. Those schools, which are often wilderness camps, are full of abuse and sexual assault, are horrifying and lead to lifelong trauma (much, in the same way as a conversion therapy would). So, different but both terrible in their own ways.
@@lisastenzel5713 Paris went to a so-called "behavioral facility", not a conversion therapy camp, but they're not that different at all
@@chronophobiasdeliriumwatch her documentary, it's free on here and it's harrowing. It was a behavioral facility, not conversion therapy (for "troubled teens" rather than queer ones) and it was some of the most atrocious shit I've seen in my life.
My husband was in the Army (long ago), he was paid. He would never pay for anything like this. He's seen small clips if this bs, rolls his eyes, and scrolls on.
Anyone who is military myself included look at at this and roll our eyes for one $18000 absolutely not next there’s no purpose for any of this there’s no end goal last a lot of these guys are wannabe military and this is the closest they get to getting that experience the reason they use for not joining or atleast the most common I’ve heard lately is “military is too woke” or some dumb excuses like that basically they want the status without putting in the actual work this program is just a wet dream for insecure alpha incel type dudes
Irresponsible does not even begin to describe this nonsense.
One of my biggest concerns about this is lack of evidence. Real therapy is based on years and years of peer reviewed research. These people no only have no training but they have zero proof it’s helpful
This is abuse, plain and simple. And what's sad is will these men go home to their sons and treat them like this in order to "make them into men?" That's kind of terrifying. When you go into the military (especially the Marines) there's a saying that they break you down to build you up. They have to in order to train them to be prepared for warfare. Now, not everyone will end up on the battlefield, but they still have to be prepared for it. My oldest son is a Captain in the Marine Corps and OCS and TBS were hell. But it wasn't "abusive." It was necessary training for what they might at some point have to deal with.
They will definitely come home and be even more abusive to their family
the body doesnt differentiate between training and abuse, its all the same, the body doenst care or understand "necessary abuse" its just abuse. and the body will remember. breaking people doenst make them stronger. it just makes them easier to use/control to those who break them. it all will come back one way or another. you cant make machines out of people it never works there are always consequences for mistreating people regardeless of what the intention or agenda is.
@@rene3759 The body keeps the score.
-🖊️
Soldier here. It’s kinda the weird way it’s split. The training is necessary to survive inhuman situations, because war is inhuman and horrible. You get a lot of positives: lifelong friendship, discipline, being able to make clear decisions under stress, being great in a crisis moment (I saved my friends life when she had a medical emergency and got her to a safe location when others in the group froze or waffled on what to do. I took charge and gave directions etc).
But the training has its costs to the mind over time. Eventually, you get tired. Your heart isn’t in it anymore, that’s when you know it’s time to move on from the military as a whole, and start slowing down and healing.
And what ARE they going to be dealing with? Who will they be fighting? Is it just? Where does the motivation come from to fight wars of oppression and how is that different from the motivation for fighting against oppression?
You talking about how trauma responses arent inherently "wrong" reminds me of a reponse i gave to someone a couple weeks ago.
We were having a discussion (in an academic setting) on how to help a hypothetical person in a complicated situation in terms of housing, healthcare, hygiene, etc.
One person said "We should evaluate for their mental capacity because any normally logical person would just do X".
I pointed out that there was a potentially abusive situation and therefore """normal"" "logic" isnt applicable. Because abuse isnt normal, and therefore our reactions dont follow "normal logic". Logic in an abusive situation is entirely different, because the goal is to avoid abuse, and as you said, survive. So logic derived from those circumstances works in those circumstances, but fails and becomes ""illogical"" in non-abusive situations
YES. THIS. Trauma responses should never be mocked or belittled. They served a purpose at one point in our lives and our nervous system is still operating under those survival tactics. This is exactly why an actual therapist or even a team of therapists needs to oversee this bootcamp, because people like these instructors don’t know this information and even if they did, they wouldn’t know how to navigate it with a student.
@@DustinPoynterVideosthis is exactly why they would NEVER have any licensed mental health professionals on their staff-because they know what they’re doing is sadistic and that any MH professional would be horrified and demand that they stop their abusive “therapy” sessions.
I also want to say that these men will probably suffer more mentally after the “course” because they will realize that they spent $20k+ and their trauma was not fixed only amplified. 😕
I am no expert but I've worked with kids who developed emotional disabilities as a result of trauma and this makes me so angry. Trauma has some nasty physical side effects as well as mental. These men are just making the situation so much worse
Allegedly, the dead person was named Richard "Ricky" Spoon, from New York. Wife named Kaitlin, and child due October 2020. Obits posted in April of that year. He was a member of IBEW 97.
So many people told me “oh just keep a journal you’ll feel great about it. That’s a big NO, because it’s like reliving it again as I write. Nope don’t need that. All these men running that boot camp, well it is one big PTSD party for real! Pretty sure those guys are carrying some trauma from all their military experience. How many of them have been successful at marriage? Have any been married over 15 years? Don’t ask them if they are happy. Get the wife in a room without him and ask if she is happy. This whole boot camp would just cause my ptsd to live large with all their yelling and no sleep. That’s what the ex husband did to me he would stroll in at 2 or 3am flip on the lights and scream at me because he didn’t want me to park the way I parked or he was just mad at me. He did that so often that after we divorced I would wake at 2am my eyes would pop open and I would sit up and wondered why I was awake. Sleep deprivation causes serious problems. It took years to undo that trauma.
My ex did the same to me re: sleep deprivation. He knew I had to work early in the morning and he’d keep me up until 4-5am talking/screaming/berating me because “we needed to talk through our problems and I never talked to him!” (But he did this to me every night!) this was at the end of the relationship, when I told him I’d signed a lease and was moving out. He was desperate to save “us” 🙄 after 8 long years of abuse. I noped on out of there as soon as the apartment was ready! But that sleep deprivation was brutal.
Keeping a journal has helped me, but ONLY a journal for what's actively happening. Journaling my past? Hard no.
@@jennifergraceh This sounds so familiar, right down to the 8 years and getting a new place. I have problems with insomnia already, so him either stopping me from going to bed when I'd already exhausted myself enough I knew I could finally fall asleep, or waking me once I was asleep was extra traumatizing. Especially when half the time he'd want sex to "help us get closer" after berating me for hours. I still have serious issues around consent.
"Beatings will continue until morale improves."
I have c-ptsd and this would trigger me so badly that I'd be in a fight reflex that leads to violence. I've been triggered like that before and it's horrible.
The disassociation and the come down are enough to add more trauma
What's cptsd
@itsdamoon compound or complex ptsd. Essentially irs caused by multiple traumatic experiences overlapping either in the event or aftermath. So you might be recovering from assault and be in a trauma response when suddenly you are in a severe car accident. Ir compounds the trauma and the responses.
For me I was emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abused throughout my child and teen years by a number of people with different methods of abusing. This has created a complex web of reactions to trauma because each situation called for different survival needs
If my spouse wants to get yelled, screamed, emasculated, go through physical hell, and tons of abusive BS. I can do that to them for free and a cattle prod in one hand. $20K for that is ridiculous.
@@littlecake453 I bet sarcasm just "whooshes" over your head on a daily basis.
@@WildKat25 yeah, that was stupid from my side.
@littlecake453 It's okay. Everyone takes a comment a little too seriously sometimes. But no, I would sooner get my husband help or divorce him than do what these stupid alpha camps do. I was just more pointing out that 20K for abuse is ridiculous.
Kinky...
Whilst wearing latex
Old man is stuck in the past. As a drill sergeant 10 years ago, my husband was no longer allowed to curse in a soldier's face. Yell, yes, not cursing. As a basic training soldier 20 years ago my drill sergeants were able to get their points across without spewing profanities. Also, there are so many other curse words, come up with something new already. Broken record.
I remember people complaining when news got out that drill sergeants would not be allowed to curse at soldiers because it meant the military had gone soft. My first thought was that the military finally took the training wheels off, now the drill sergeants get to be creative.
Thank you! I went through basic training in 2022. It was one of the hardest experiences of my life. We got smoked plenty. No one needed to call us name. It was challenging enough. Having a lack of empathy or sympathy doesn’t make someone “tough.” I would say it makes you a weak leader, not a strong one.
@@lilscenechick1995A lack of empathy can make you a sociopath!
The quiet drill sergeant was the one you never messed with. That one would have you puking while having a resting heart rate of 40.
@stephenferry3017 the quiet drill sergeants is the one you really worry about because they are the ones thinking up new and interesting ways to smoke you.
Thank god this wasn’t sponsored by BetterHelp. That’s a green flag in itself
Ma’mm 😂😂😂
I hope the scammers get shut down and arrested, and those men who went in the course got their money back and get real help❤
This "program" has set the progress of mental health back a few hundred years. These assholes are completely reinforcing the stigma we, as a society, have been desperately trying to eradicate for years! Not to mention the massive individual damage being inflicted onto these poor souls. Excellent presentation, Dustin. Well done, my friend! ❤❤❤❤❤
Yeeaaahhh this reminds me of basic training I went through. If they wanted to go through this mess, they could’ve just joined the military for free (aaaannnd consequently develop MORE trauma) instead of paying $20K.
*gets to the burying people alive part*: SO THIS IS A CRIME
I am absolutely THRILLED that you are making long form videos now! Your shorts are funny and entertaining, but this is the best of both worlds, entertaining and informative, and I'm here for it ❤
Thank you so much! Already have the next one in the works!
@@DustinPoynterVideosomg do one on the camps where parents have their wayward teens kidnapped and sent to bootcamps like these! They're even worse than these but the kids are there involuntarily and indefinitely and the PARENTS send them there. Absolutely horrifying. (Ps I'm also thrilled you're doing this! Great work!!)
I tried journaling about a trauma before I was ready, and it absolutely wrecked my brain for a few months and I took several steps back in my mental health. I'm scared to approach that topic in any way now because of the effect it had.
I've been waiting years to pursue EMDR or ART therapy because I know I need to be in the right headspace and was struggling. I'm just about there but SO nervous now.
Can't imagine asking for this hell and knowing I'll be reliving any of my trauma in the next three days. Yeesh.
You mean to tell me there's a wrong time to be journaling??
This is as "therapeutically healing" as someone who burned their hand on the stove setting themselves on fire as "treatment".
Damn right you wont give a shit about your hand anymore, your entire body is covered in burns now. What hand?
Wow, that’s re-traumatizing people. 😳 crazy
Because when I think of mentally stable men that I want to help other men through their ptsd journey, I think military.... just wow. Love that you're on TH-cam now!
Well, hey, everyone knows that no one's mental health ever suffered due to their military service!
This is why it is important to hug your sons, to tell them that sometimes you just need to cry it out, teach them that men and boys deserve the tools to feel with their feelings and manage them in a healthy way, and most importantly show them that there is no shame in talking to someone who is qualified to help them about how they feel (mentally, physically, spiritually). Men deserve to have the same expectations as anyone else when it comes to processing trauma and emotion.
They're training people the way they were trained so they can get "their turn" being in charge of the abuse. Prior service combat vet here, and i got angry watching this, because my first thought was,"Do you want a knife in your neck, because this is how you get a knife in your neck!" These fellas think their military service makes them mental health pros like college graduates think their certificates make them all-knowing. How does ANYONE, anywhere at any time benefit positively from being yelled at, degraded, and threatened? Never. And they charge $20k for this!? Robbery in the highest degree! Talk about false advertisement! I'm not one to immediately say "toxic masculinity" because we need tough, rugged, strong willed men in the world, but at the same time, there's a line that crosses from leader to abuser, and they've left that line way in the dust long ago. Their "healing" is nothing more than them putting the physical and mental hurt on others, in order to make themselves feel more like the definition of "man" they didn't attain themselves from those who trained them in this same way. They're big, tough men who are acting like children, yelling as a means to do everything.
I really like how you articulated need for men but the line of leader and abuser was left in the dust
Yes
Why would anyone think military service makes them a mental health anything? Military service, particulatly combat duty, is just massively harmful for mental health virtually across the board. Veterans have obscenely high rates of PTSD (obviously) addiction, abuse and self-harm. It's an entire institution built around authoritarian hierarchy, violence and toxic masculinity and many of these guys are Not OK. Military bases house some of the most dysfunctional neighborhoods in the US: drug trafficking, sex trafficking, child abuse, spousal abuse, murders, the kinds of stuff that goes on at some of these places is disturbing.
Military service is supposed to be a necessary evil. Even if you dont see combat, it's usually something ppl need to do bc they dont have other opportunities. Boot camp is the intentional infliction of stress & trauma to prepare people for the possibility of it. In no way is military service good for mental health, unless you only serve in peacetime and get a good-paying career out of it. Not only does military service not make someone any kind of expert on mental health, it's essentially the opposite; if you've served in the military there is a strong possibility that you need mental healthcare even if you didnt before.
@@mediumvillain Though I agree with most of what you said, it's not flawless. What you said is true for most combat arms jobs, but there are tons of military occupations that are not combat driven, and never see combat. Also, there's lots of mental health jobs that train specifically for mental health. Another fallacy is that people go into the service because they have no other options. Not true. I was college bound with multiple options to choose from in the field of IT, but 9/11 happened and pissed me off and I signed up. Your comment makes me think you didn't serve, and that's okay, but please refrain from making broad brush generalizations because a group of bad apples upsets or frustrates you about a particular group. Most military folk do things far better than their civilian counterparts. Others, like the men in this video, obviously do not. I mean no disrespect. Just wanted to correct a couple of assumptions in your comment. Have a good one.
@@jaybuffie9624 Well, someone is biased enough that they said "most military folks do things far better than their civilian counterparts" and think that's totally reasonable while saying I'm not being entirely fair lmao.
Just having served in the military wouldnt make someone some kind of polymath who can claim wide ranging expertise in things like psychology. I thought that's what you were getting at but the way you said it made it seem like you think someone with basic military training has cause to believe they're equivalent to someone who just went through college and got a degree.
That would only be true if they went through an accredited vocational program in the military, which is either exactly the same as a civilian university program or more specialized for military service. The only way someone could think they're an expert in psychology because of military service is if they got a psychology degree through the military, and it would be pretty much the same education you'd get from a university program in that field.
Really anyone could have the training to perform their specific job pretty well if they were part of an institution funded by a bottomless money vortex, and the military is all about specific jobs. But the truth of the matter is that an engineer who studied at a decent university is not in any way inferior to an engineer from an Army or Navy program.
Regardless, most of the regular people I know who went into the service either just served their time like a prison sentence to try to get some kind of career out of it because we had so few opportunities where I'm from (and most did not get any long term career benefits), or they came out of wartime some of the most troubled, traumatized, dysfunctional people I've seen and dove straight into the opioid epidemic & rehab, or some came back from the service in peacetime as full-blown reactionary psychopaths who nobody talks to anymore even in their own families.
I'm aware that people are used to a culture deifying anyone who's been in the armed services, and a culture in the armed services of arrogant superiority (despite decades of evidence contrary to that from things we wont get into and being run through quite possibly the most corrupt & inefficient institution in a government overflowing with it)... except I'm not a nationalist and I'm not here to mythologize institutions that primarily serve the interests of the billionaire class. People can be good, people can be good at their job; institutions are what they are, and the US military (intermeshed as it is into the globalized corporate weapons manufacturing/"defense" industry) has more fundamental problems than someone could even begin to get into in a TH-cam comment.
And, yes, it has for decades targeted young people from poor backgrounds with few opportunities, explicitly promising a path to a college education and a good-paying job. The military has effectively become a public vocational program where if you get the wrong job you might be expected to occupy, kill or torture some people on behalf of some corporate interest or political theatre.
This should be illegal.
This is so dangerous for them to be doing. Imagine what the ultra traumatizing can do to these already traumatized folks. I understand it will add to the PTSD that's already there, but I feel like it can trigger someone to continue self harming if that is something they do, or trigger someone to start self harming to deal with the trauma they cause these poor guys, and the worst: self - deletion. Ugh this needs to be shut down ASAP. These men are making things worse, not better. Again, it's so dangerous. How is this not shut down yet?!
There's literally no reason to call verbal abuse, hydration and food withholding, sleep deprivation and other forms of mental, emotional, and physical torture "healing".
Funny how a trauma boot camp meant to "heal" trauma actually causes MORE trauma.
Good grief. 🤦🏻♀️
I have no idea if you will see this, but: thank you. I discovered your channel today, and have been binging through the videos. When i came across this one, i was expecting the usual format, silliness, etc. But, as someone who personally has cPTSD due to severe childhood trauma, I was pleasantly surprised at the depth of knowledge you have in discussing the topic, and you bring up a lot of good points, information. I get the sense that you also might have cPTSD due to some of the techniques you were talking about, and I'm sorry for whatever you went through that caused it. Bringing light to healthy approaches to resolving trauma is not something I ever expected from this channel, but It made me respect you immensely (and was what ended up getting me to sub haha)
Thank you, again. And take care.
I knew about what MDK was when I found out that a Survivor contestant named Joe Anglim went through it. He's the guy in the thumbnail being threatened with a knife.
Watching this I kept having flashbacks of Zoltan Kansas’s Alpha Male standup show. “You can’t ALL be Alpha males, there’s one alpha and it’s Joe Rogan. He feeds you supplements like a baby bird and you regurgitate whatever he tells you.” 😅
Don’t understand why these so-called “manly” dudes are so terrified of their feels. 🙄
P- PUSH
T- THAT
S- SHÏT
D- DOWN
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What would the C be ? As in cptsd?
Brilliant!
Choose your favourite insult/euphemism for female anatomy. Since we are the weaker sex and all, Cootie haver?🤣
Completely
By healing, they mean causing significant trauma so you "forget" how bad it was before and can move on with your new issues
You bringing all the receipts makes this an amazing video. Your humor and humanity from shorter videos and education makes this video *chef’s kiss*.
at 6:06 i can clearly see this guys entire body get stiff and the way he’s so tense
How is needing electrolytes non-manly?
This is so, so bad for everyone involved: the guys who are clearly trying to deal with trauma in their lives, the environment they are coming back to (family, friends, colleagues, pets) and the future they are shaping for those they are guiding (for example their kids).
Okay, I'm just a humble film nut with a mental illness and a passion for writing, but being buried alive is a surprisingly common plot device in media specifically intended to GIVE CHARACTERS TRAUMA. In good fiction, it's not handled lightly and has long-lasting, serious consequences. The idea that burying people alive in real life would somehow heal trauma is laughably absurd at best and downright disturbing at worst
These guys are NEVER going to talk about their feelings again.
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But they are clearly actually Obsessed with their feelings. These clients are all narcissists filled with fear and self loathing that want to get an alpha male certificate for cos playing marines. and somehow erase that gnawing emptiness inside them that makes them narcissists...
Your production quality and content is great. It's insane you don't have a bigger youtube following.
Thank you so much!! I'm just starting out on here with long videos, really. We'll see if it picks up
So it sounds like they just looked at a list of what therapists use for healing and decided they could do it, too, without knowing how the tactics are actually applied.
This mentality is why so many front-line responders end their lives. It does not open conversations re mental health, let alone supportive; it shuts it down with detrimental outcomes for the individual and their family and friends.
Constant disruptions to one’s sympathetic nervous system and dorsel vagal activation aka a persistent state of flight, fight, freeze or fold can cause a multitude of physical and psychological conditions. For example including:
cardiovascular disease,
arthritis, diabetes, respiratory disorders, digestive disorders, chronic pain, insomnia, loss of reproductive system functioning, and an increase risk of mental health disorders.
These guys seem to be using a completely distorted version of exposure therapy and need to be shut down asap.
In 72 hours, you not only get over PTSD but somehow have enough time to take financial and entrepreneurial courses on top of boot camp, while also doing other things that also take longer than three days. This includes digging your own grave and being buried in a body bag.
You are more likely to get a kidney infection from not being allowed to drink than becoming a trauma-free alpha dude entrepreneur.
Seventy-two hours, even with minimal sleep, is not that long to accomplish much, except for that kidney infection.
I literally started a panic attack like… 4 minutes in
As a veteran who went through a LOT of training, including SERE training, psychological resistance training and pain tolerance training for my particular MOS, I totally understand why it's necessary for the military to train service members that way. They're not thinking about the long term affects these types of training have on the individual. Their goal is to make sure you can keep it together when the shit hits the fan to continue to soldier on and complete the mission. In the moment, you have to be able to compartmentalize your emotions to give you and those who are counting on you a better chance at surviving when the worst of the worst is going on around you. That's why I think it is SO important that veterans recieve proper mental and physical after care once their service time is completed. Which, in my opinion, the military fails at miserably! But, for your average Joe with a regular 9-5, a mortgage, and a family, this type of "therapy" is NOT the way to go and does WAY more harm than good! Instead of teaching them how to deal with the emotions their trauma envokes, it's just giving them tools to bury it deeper and deeper. While forcing your emotions down for the short term during something like a combat event may be necessary for a higher chance of survival, it's just not feasible for the long term and living a life that is physically and mentally healthy. Eventually, everything you bury down will come back to the surface. And it's all going to come back at the same time. Once that dam breaks, the flood won't be held back. It's best to deal with it, one issue at a time. And with each issue you deal with, you'll learn new ways to help deal with other issues that arise in the future. These guys are using their military experience to prey on people who need help, feel like they've got no where else to turn, and are desperate. To me, that's very dishonorable!
That's the psychology equivalent of essential oils and homeopathy.
Oh it is considerably worse. In that analogy this is the psychology equivalent of those turn of the century radium tonics.
Hey now, essential oils at least have a placebo effect. Also peppermint oil is great for itchy insect bites.
No, no. It's the psychology equivalent of handing someone a rusty serrated knife and some Legos and making them do a knee replacement surgery on themself with no training, no anaesthesia, no antibiotics, no iodine or sterile fricken anything, just here ya go, give yourself knee surgery, YER A MAN, DEW IT OR ELSE
It's not. It's so much worse. They're actively harming these men and boys, not just neglecting to provide them any actual medical help. This is straight up abuse. Like. They are physically and emotionally abusing these men on some "tough love" bs mentality. Most homeopathy is only harmful because it leads to people not seeking proper care. Some of it is definitely harmful but anyone being reasonable about their homeopathy isn't really going to be doing the more dangerous things like freaking coffee enemas or whatever.
This program barely even pretends to help anyone. This is McKamey Manor all over again under a different title. They enjoy hurting these men.
The military training is for war. Not for normal life. They basically increased these individuals trauma and if they didn’t have ptsd before they do when they finish this camp. Boot camp belongs in military not every day life. The military is training for war. Not for business and family matters. These men are gonna snap and hurt someone or themselves.
Isn't this literally part of the problem with a lot of police departments too? They get military-type training when the subburbs or inner city....aren't a war zone. Even the really bad places (in the U.S. at least) are a far cry from a war zone, which creates a lot of problems when they try normal life as if it was a militaristic threat
That's insane! Save your money and just go to Chicago or DC in the middle of the night
Horrendous, that's psychological warfare what they're doing to these men.
It makes me think about something a friend told me where they do something similar in Mormon camping trips. The kids go through a rigorous multi-day hike with limited supplies, leaving them in a mentally compromised state by the end as a result. And then once the kids reach the end they're given food and water while teaching their ways, making them more susceptible to just accept without question. (My friend articulates the science/psychology behind it better than I can recall, but it's basically that)
I practice yoga. I've been told in many classes that the issues are in the tissues. Meaning that we need to stretch and exercise to move the emotion out of our bodies.
Another thing I learned from my yoga teachers is a psychological technique of changing how you feel in the moment. Do you identify how you feel with three words or less and then you find positive words that are the opposite of those feelings. Now you make a mantra of those three words and you say it to yourself over and over again. For example if I felt frightened, alone and lost. I always tell myself that I am safe, protected and loved. After 5 minutes of repeating that, I feel a whole lot better in my soul.
**thank you** for referencing that "fine line." We have a window of tolerance for any type of processing trauma and all those lovely challenges we're dealing with. Ignoring that and just pushing a person past that window, isn't healing, it's blatantly retraumatizing.
Edit: I'd love to hear your thoughts on the 75 hard program.
Second edit: genuinely, thank you for this video and for collaborating with a professional. I'm a therapist and I kept going to write a comment to add detail that I thought could be helpful, and then YOU were ahead of me and gave the facts yourself. This is lovely, accurate, and gives me so much hope because it is vital for people to understand what actual mental health help should look like.
Killed a man? Well, that's one way to "heal" trauma. No more trauma if you're deceased.
This is SO disturbing. These poor men are so desperate for male validation that they're literally putting their lives (both mental and physical) in danger. It is just so deeply depressing...
Does anyone else thinks that it is ironic to have combat veterans who have first hand experience with trauma ,PTSD and what is needed to overcome it doing such a lousy job at helping others?
Ironic, but more because this are obviously combat veterans who are likely traumatized with PTSD who HAVEN'T overcome it, trying to teach others to do what they haven't. Also the military is notoriously bad about recognizing/discussing mental health issues, not not really a surprise
there’s a ton of irony in this one 😅
I wish I could say I cannot believe this exists, but I definitely am not shocked that things like this exist. It is so awful that people go through this.
Love how their solution to cure trauma is to give them more by verbally and emotionally abusing them for 72 hours, probably body shaming and using the traumas told in confidence as a weapon. That's not therapy, that's not treatment, that's just abuse. So many alarm bells go off in my head about all of this, especially the Journalling bit because that's just. So wrong. On so many levels. There's reasons why therapists cant talk about what their patients tell yhem (barring extreme circumstances), *and this is the fucking reason*. I hate how much the men's mental health crisis keeps producing shit like this for profit and self gratification. It's disgusting.
Absolutely appreciate the long-form content! As much as the shorter red flag reactions amuse me, they don't always address the root of the problems being presented.
There are a ton of people out there who could benefit from videos like this one, or any video you might do that expands on an issue and explains why the content is harmful. It's helpful because, at least from my own neurodivergent perspective, if I'm being told to raise my expectations, approach a problem differently, end a relationship, etc., I need to understand exactly why before I consider that advice.
Especially in the context of relationships. There are a lot of red flags that many people (including me) will often overlook, or find ways to justify to themselves, because despite a partner's problematic behaviour you often still love them and want to think the best of them.
If I had posted a video talking about my physically and verbally abusive ex while we were together and you were tagged and responded with a red flag reaction, I would have just told myself something like, "this guy just doesn't understand our dynamic. He doesn't see how much we truly love each other. Afterall, no relationship is perfect".
Or course now, several years after the fact, I can look back absolutely appalled at the way this person treated me and realize that if they treated this way, they clearly did NOT love me.
I think if someone had truly taken the time to explain a few things to me back then though, like for example what narcissistic abuse is and what tactics narcissists use to control empathetic people, I might have been more receptive to that brand of advice than I was to my friends just being like, "MAN BAD! LEAVE BAD MAN!".
They were right of course, man was bad, and I should have left a lot sooner, but I didn't fully understand until much later. Not until an amazing friend, who sadly has since passed away (RIP Katie), dragged me out of the place I shared with this man kicking and screaming, drove me from Alberta where I had moved to with this guy back to my home province of BC (Canada), and offered me a place to stay while I reflected on things and got back on my feet. After that act of kindness and adequate time to really examine the behaviour of my former partner, it was obvious to me (finally) that I had been seriously abused.
For an intelligent person I felt pretty stupid, but after some time I stopped blaming myself, and instead appropriately blamed the master manipulator/predator that is one GIANT walking red flag.
I think you have the power to do what Katie did for me, all from behind a computer screen. You spread a crucial kind of awareness. That kind of awareness can save people from toxic/abusive situations. You can literally rescue people, using just your knowledge, charisma, approachability, empathy, sense of humour, some giant pieces of brightly colored fabric, and of course the enormous amount of effort it must require to produce content of this quality.
Lol, no pressure. Just telling you to go save the world or whatever. But only because you've already demonstrated that you know how to, you have what it takes to do it, and you're willing to put in serious time to help educate people.
Thank you for everything you've done and will do.
PS: I know this comment focused more on the red flag stuff, but your green flag videos are also powerful in their own way. Not only does wholesome content like that brighten people's lives, it also empowers people to make positive choices. By highlighting good behaviour so it can be recognized and repeated, and illustrating how good behaviour is deserving of being celebrated (and is thus its own reward) you motivate people to be better. Green flag for that, fella!
"MAN BAD! LEAVE BAD MAN" That phrasing is funny because it's true.
I'm glad you had people in your life who could help you and that you're in a better place now.
Try not to feel stupid, as abusers are very good at hiding their nature.
Sending 🤗 or your preferred equivalent.
Absolutely love your content. So ready to follow you here after whats been going on on FB. I wish creators like you existed years ago when I was going through 2 abusive relationships without even realizing it, but I’m thankful people like you are putting this out into the world now so my daughters can grow up exposed to your message online as well as by us at home.
Another way to think of those "toxic cognitions" that I have used is that they are simply adaptations which worked once, but maybe were not intended for long term operation, kind of like coding errors. When problem solving, you can change one piece of code to resolve your current issue and be happy that it does, only to later discover that it caused a wrinkle somewhere else. That doesn't make the initial change toxic, just maybe not the best solution for the long term.
They inflicting trauma to heal trauma?! Ye gods! I feel traumatised just thinking of it!
12:00 this reminds me strongly of those quack "therapists" who used to do "rebirthing" with patients, some of whom died in the process.
BT-dubs (yes, it's 2004 in my mind) I was a volunteer service dog trainer with an org who provided service dogs for veterans with PTSD. It was one of the most profound experiences of my life to witness the benefit. Just being in the presence of dogs helps, but when you train a dog to identify and predict a trauma response, and then train a specific behavior that mitigates the trauma, it's better than drugs or psychotherapy. Dogs have incredibly high emotional intelligence--more so than humans. I stopped working with this particular organization for two reasons: 1. They refused to train shelter dogs for this function and would only train pure bred-dogs that were donated-- which left too many vets on waiting lists. And 2. They were MAGA right-wingers. It's my dream to start a rescue dog service training program for trauma.
I think shelter dogs can be good ESAs but everything I know about service dogs suggests that a good breeding program is the best practice for both dogs and humans. The support dog training program near me breeds their own dogs and raises them on site and later housed with volunteers from birth. They're breeding for temperament, intelligence, low prey drive, etc. I agree that many shelter dogs can be emotional support animals. But it's very unlikely to get a shelter dog who is as well suited to the continual hard work of a service animal as a dog bred for it. You might get lucky, and a dog might have a specific ability or skill that aligns with the need. But it's too much of a risky crapshoot to be sustainable to train shelter dogs like that.
If you find one lmk
I'm so happy to see this video made. Healthy trauma healing needs to be talked about more. I didn't learn about any of this until I reached out to a local victim center and they signed me up for a class about trauma. I'm happy to see that we're all ending cycles and working on this in a positive way, rather than further traumatizing people with things like this boot camp.
As soon as you mentioned Chris, the former Air Force SERE instructor, I knew this would be bad. US SERE training is, among other things like survival and escape skills, used to teach active duty military personnel how to resist torture and not give up information. How do they do this, you ask? Well, through literal torture of the students, both psychological and physical. Apparently they don’t officially waterboard people anymore as of 07, but it wouldn’t shock me if that was still happening.
So what I want to know is how do we get them closed down? Possibly arrested? This was a great video, I love what you are doing! As awful as this is, your content has so much positivity and hope I absolutely LOVE IT! Thank you!
Honestly, arrests would be tough because they probably aren't doing anything illegal.
These men are adults who not only consented to this but paid insane amounts of money for it, and I'm sure they had to sign paperwork so that there was written consent.
It isn't illegal to pay to have someone yell obscenities and spray you with a hose as you workout, which is essentially what this is.
And this isn't a prison, these men CAN leave at any time the want.
About the only thing that might be possible is if they're advertising this as a mental health retreat when they aren't mental health professionals, maybe their license to operate could get pulled.
This is HORRIBLE!!, 😫 Making money on the back of victims of PTSD is DISGUSTING!, 😢 My hubby has childhood trauma and more trauma as an adult, he has been unable to work for the past 3 1/2 years (and probably wont ever again), has PTSD, chronic depression, perception disorder, general anxiety disorder and in his name I thank you for shedding light on this! It is unacceptable and they should not be able to do this...
As someone who struggles with c-ptsd and a lot of trauma. If I went to this “boot camp” I have a feeling I would come out with more traumas than I had going in.. This is absolutely crazy! I hope it gets shut down
I think they saw, "Use Trauma to Heal Trauma." And ran with it.
As someone with CPTSD I had a hard time watching this one. Working on my mental health took me years and I'm starting again in September with the next therapy. You can't cure CPTSD/PTSD that way. I'm lost for words. How is this even legal? Buried alive.. horrific.
Thank you for your hard work and for making programs like this one known and shedding light on the dangers of such programs.
Thank you, Dustin, for bringing a licensed mental health professional into this video. 🙌 💚
2:55 they are doing a training course on how to break someone and make them really question ☠️☠️☠️☠️. Holy crap arrest these psychos
I know this is a very serious subject, but Beakback Mountain is hilarious.
I lost it at "Pushing that $hit Down" LMAO
This is abuse that these guys are paying for in their desperation to feel better...the ones who run this need to be put in jail.
Toxic masculinity being toxic is the root of the problem here
DUUUUUUUUDE.
That definition of PTSD is the most spot-on I've heard/felt yet. P-ingTSD gives PTSD. You have just bestowed upon me a weird way of dealing, a broken skeleton key that will fit perfectly. ❤
As prior service I’m embarrassed and I apologize
Just found your channel guy, love your content and this one particularly being a man and openly talking about mental health in a very informative way, thanks for using your platform to do that!
At 12:35 you only read the first sentence. It goes on to say, "However you do need to be conditioned to do hikes, bear crawls, team log carries, truck pulls, jogs, push-ups, and a variety of body weight exercises.
I think that pretty clearly states the truth.
I’m all for expressing masculinity in how you feel is best. I believe that it is self-defined. But I also believe there are better ways to work on your mental health then subjecting yourself to this torture
I would add that if how someone feels is the best way to express their masculinity involves hurting others, that's not something we should just say is okay, and that a person like that needs to re-evaluate how they view masculinity.
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The best😁😆
I have CPTSD, this is called “Thanksgiving” in the family I was raised by
You have the best analogizes ever !!!!!! Doesn't matter who you heard if from , or if created yourself = they always make me smile.
this is hands down one of your best videos and i’ve been binge watching all of them the last couple days. this video is being slept on for real. i’ve learned so much. thank you ❤