Blazingly FAST 25 gigabit Over Network! - Synology 3400d Review ft. Kioxia PM7 SAS SSDs

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  • @nissan300zxmike
    @nissan300zxmike 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Took CCNA classes in community college (4 semesters of it) as electives for my gen ed. I now have two mellanox switches. 1 managed 32 port 40g qsfp and one 8 port 40g qsfp. PITA to find the firmware to get the modules connecting lol

    • @ajhieb
      @ajhieb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're talking about the Mellanox VPI switches that default to Infiniband, there are guides out there to upgrade to ethernet capability, but after mucking around with it for a while I just bought a "license" from a guy on ebay. It was under $50 and to me it was worth it to avoid the headache. I've been using my SX6036 for a couple of years now with zero problems.
      Edit: I saw a post that now seems to have been deleted talking about the actual QSFP modules. I can't speak for all of the Mellanox switches, but mine is very accommodating as far as brands go. I'm using QSFP DAC cables in my rack instead of module&fiber, but same compatibility should apply. I've used "generic" branded cables, Mellanox, Dell and I believe I have some Cisco that worked as well. Basically all the ones I've tried have worked, but it's always good to start with something on the HCL to eliminate the unknowns when you're troubleshooting.

  • @gr-os4gd
    @gr-os4gd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Man, I just upgraded my network to 10GB... 💸💸

    • @WeiserMaster3
      @WeiserMaster3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Time for some Connectx-4's! :D

    • @--Lam
      @--Lam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Someone from the local hackerspace found 40 and 100 Gbps QSFP "pluggables" for $10 and $12 respectively at a local electronics (literal) market, just last weekend. No idea what truck those fell off, but hey!

    • @WinterNorth
      @WinterNorth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You know what you have to do..

    • @ShaneMcGrath.
      @ShaneMcGrath. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I thought it was magic just replacing one of my old 8 port 1 GbE switches with an 8 port 2.5 GbE switch.

    • @aliensounddigital8729
      @aliensounddigital8729 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Still deciding on getting a 5 Gb or 10 Gb ethernet card. Or just getting a mobo that has 2.5 Gbit native.

  • @nathanddrews
    @nathanddrews 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Putting the NAS in nasty.

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It was nice to hear you include some information about Hyper-V and iSCSI.

  • @hugevibez
    @hugevibez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That 25Gb switch shortage on the second hand market seems to be a very recent thing, I've been upgrading my network infrastructure for the past year and you could find a bunch 25Gb switches around the 800 euro/usd mark (i forget which i checked at the time), and for the past few months all of those switches have been bought and there has been a lack of new switches coming in at that price point. Let's hope some large datacentre somewhere upgrades to 56Gb as that seems to slowly be becoming a thing.

  • @NatesRandomVideo
    @NatesRandomVideo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The other Tailscale thing that doesn’t work on Synology is “accept-routes” if you’re doing advanced LAN subnet linking via another device. The Synology Tailscale client can’t do it. Shrug.

  • @ReubenHanson2809
    @ReubenHanson2809 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Honey.... I need a bigger stack of Benjamins, there's another piece of tech calling my name. 😂

    • @--Lam
      @--Lam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm totally calling my boss tomorrow. Before you ask, my boss is not my wife (even if it feels that way sometimes!) ;)

  • @iamamish
    @iamamish หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man Level1 videos have absolutely the best music - don't think we aren't noticing

  • @BGraves
    @BGraves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    9:57 screen recording scrolling flicker. I'd bet money you're on Wayland 😂

    • @REALfreaky
      @REALfreaky 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's actually finally getting fixed! Explicit sync has been merged on most DE's. Just need the various distros to push out the updates

    • @BGraves
      @BGraves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@REALfreaky what about all of the flickering in all the applications, hover tooltips?

  • @JoePolaris
    @JoePolaris 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great report , in terms of of supervisor performance, have tested proxmox in contrast w/VMW future plans ? It might be an opportunity to see what are the alternatives for an upcoming video, especially in context of using this type of gear.
    This model of Synology kinda leans towards Dell PowerScale type of use case, granted not in same level of use cases or price range.

  • @petitpoispanta
    @petitpoispanta 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thx 4 being there 😊

  • @webbstudios4769
    @webbstudios4769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:00 This topic of NVME dual pathing got me thinking about the Dell PowerStore T line which does Active/Active NVME storage. I wonder how they are communicating with all the NVME drives from both nodes.

  • @chbrules
    @chbrules 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I just upgraded to a bonded 2x10Gbps Intel controller between my workstation and my server. I've tried hard with a lot of configurations, but I can't get anything over 16gbps between my systems (RAM disk to RAM disk). I'm using 5000 series AMD CPUs between each, so it's modern hardware. Who knows? I couldn't saturate 16Gbps if I wanted either ,so meh.

  • @chromerims
    @chromerims 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really nice video 👍
    4:34 -- yes, SAS dual porting as distinct from SATA.
    14:12 -- iSCSI ❤. However unless clustered, iSCSI direct to a workstation in most homelabs is limited to that single workstation for practical purposes. With clustered clients using iSCSI, SAN comes to mind. Worth the home experimentation and *fun* though.
    Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.

  • @stefanbehrendsen330
    @stefanbehrendsen330 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, I was already pretty happy with the old RS3617xs+ with 10Gb links and iSCSI mpio.... somehow I missed synology making dual-controller units.

  • @blendonator
    @blendonator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I actually wanted to grab one of these for some FC tests and labs to some Cisco MDS switches, maybe try some FCoE etc, just for cert and lan experience. Problem is the total noise, heat and power use for 4 switches (2 nexus, 2 MDS) starts to get insane for a home environment.
    Either way, a lovely machine! Even having a nice HA LDAP box is totally worth it. But the noise....😂 I can't wait until these things advance to the point of 30 dBm or less!
    Thanks for the review 👍

  • @oldfett
    @oldfett 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As always enjoyed the video! Little sad the 3020 couldn't hold its own against it, love those boxes. I guess ultimately its held back by the lower SKU CPU and limited memory bandwidth to differentiate it from its peers and lower the price point.

  • @SomeGuyInSandy
    @SomeGuyInSandy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Played with a Synology DS920 that a consultant spec'd but never used... It kept reaching out to Turkey, so I unplugged it from my network.

  • @ayankga
    @ayankga 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey wendell, you said want to post video about wrx90e / north XL build..im still waiting for it..

  • @smithjones1906
    @smithjones1906 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ahh I wish I could get my hands on one of those. For a variety of reasons, we use a much slower model and spinning drives. At least the model finally has a 10G interface now. I like DSM.

  • @waynoinsaneo
    @waynoinsaneo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Little different than the ugreen crap everyone else is shilling this week.

    • @SpurdoMaltese
      @SpurdoMaltese 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God I hate Ugreen so much
      Total garby

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The non "apple channel" reviews I've seen all call the ugreen mediocre at best. Which to be fair to the Apple people, they used to trash hardware with non-existent storage, so I can't really blame them for getting excited... 😅

    • @IanBPPK
      @IanBPPK 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@KiraSlithugreen is somewhat known in the power brick, USB Cable and USB NIC sphere, but they're certainly unproven in the storage host market. Most of the channels I've watched have been optimistic about the future but realistic about their performance now and not ignoring faults, like the PCIe switching being suboptimal iirc.

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@IanBPPK I'm not saying the brand is bad, there's no need to get that defensive. Most of my USB3 extensions are ugreen, 2 of which have lasted me 5 years already. I'm just saying the NAS is mediocre, and a lot of the strong hype is coming from channels that don't really have any experience with good hardware.

    • @gr-os4gd
      @gr-os4gd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KiraSlith Apple user here who never heard of ugreen before. My NASes are Synology. 🤔

  • @vortical911
    @vortical911 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    13:40 another note about SMB MultiChannel - if you enable LACP/Port Aggregation on your NICs, SMB MultiChannel will be unavailable. Many people will opt for Aggregation over MultiChannel

  • @JoelJosephReji
    @JoelJosephReji 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is there a NAS with the hot-pluggable capabilities on which I can use open-source software?

  • @m4nc1n1
    @m4nc1n1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah I have a 1821+ and a 1621+ and neither have Synology drives in them. Same with the m.2 cache drives, 10GB NICs, and upgraded the RAM to 32GB and 16GB respectively with 3rd parties. The run (for well over 2 years) great!

  • @MikeG-js1jt
    @MikeG-js1jt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good old Fischer Price!

  • @nicknorthcutt7680
    @nicknorthcutt7680 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scsi makes so much sense for redundancy and reliability, makes sense why its used instead of sata and nvme.

  • @whatdo9529
    @whatdo9529 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bought a SAS HDD by accident, bc it was such a good price. But I'm looking to put it into an externally powered enclosure to backup my pc periodically, a do-it-yourself external hdd backup product.
    However, I cannot find an enclosure that is under $100 that will work with SAS interface, then output to SATA or USB 3.0. Any suggestions?

  • @pcase74
    @pcase74 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yo you should check out the UC3400 from Synology! Also need to make them come out with a 2.5" drive bay only version! imagine 24 drives in a HA 2u SAN that is crazy!

  • @Angelos_yu
    @Angelos_yu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Level1Techs You failed to mention it's not active-active, it has some delays in failover. What were your results on vmware multi node cluster with HA/DRS when one path is down with ISCSI round robin enabled?

    • @steven44799
      @steven44799 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have a UC3200 which is active/active but doesn’t run the normal synology os with all the normal apps, it’s only for storage. Mine is running back end storage for MS SQL high availability clustering with MPIO enabled, if you have less aware applications using the shared IP it took about 4 seconds for that to fail over on node failure in testing (physically unplugging the controller from the chassis as the fault)

  • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
    @BoraHorzaGobuchul 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A bit of an off-topic: is there any way to run a vdi with windows on a proxmox server, preferably with free solutions?

  • @bulzaiguard
    @bulzaiguard 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would a connect x4 work in with 4 pcie lanes (i only need 1 port to work at full speed)

  • @Ryet9
    @Ryet9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    meehhh can get my MT27500 ConnectX-3 or NetXtreme II BCM57800 (both 10 Gigabit) & a file manger to show 1.1GB/s... over 30m of copper!, sure it started at 3...what was the limit? HDD write?
    some iperf tests would have been nice..anyhoo always nice to see a lvl1 tech vid
    ...but ACTUAL measured performance would have been welcomed when we are ment to be focused on the 25 part of it all....
    Edit: NB... not one of the 14 thumbs down folks... can't wait for "links" with friends later 💋

  • @Lua64
    @Lua64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's different than other NASAs?

  • @AgentLokVokun
    @AgentLokVokun 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is this meme at 9:52 that flashes on by lol

  • @phrag5944
    @phrag5944 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so I get that virtualizing a router is "forbidden," but I have not only that but a "forbidden" NAS on my proxmox box that I've had set up for quite some time, all on AMD on a Aorus X570 board... I also managed to get traffic shaping and failover set up on pfSense CE (virtually), as well as a Shinobi server running about 10 4k cameras.
    am i doing it wrong?

    • @BGraves
      @BGraves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely. There's dual 2.5Gbe micro pcs for like $140 that can likely handle your WAN connection with opnsense for 5 watts. I used to run a virtual router but only because the devices weren't up to par and dual 2.5Gbe

  • @DanielWillen
    @DanielWillen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the scenario where you don't have the build in dual High Availability - don't you still need two identical Synology servers? Their documentation says this:
    "Implementation of Synology High Availability requires two identical Synology servers to act as active and passive servers."

    • @user-pn5hl4es6b
      @user-pn5hl4es6b 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the two controllers in the SA3400D are considered identical servers, its high availablity in one box

    • @DanielWillen
      @DanielWillen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-pn5hl4es6b 21:01 I'm referring to this statement referring to where you can have two cabinets, one high performance and one with mechanical drives. I might have misunderstood, but it's only possible to do hyper backup and similar , for High Availability feature both devices must be identical

    • @user-pn5hl4es6b
      @user-pn5hl4es6b 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DanielWillen you are correct, HA needs identical devices. so identical ram, drives and NIC, this might have been wrong in the snipit in the video as a Synology HA requires the same type of drives.

  • @phasechange5053
    @phasechange5053 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh OK , How about application?

  • @mr.hughes6363
    @mr.hughes6363 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is NAS singular and plural like deer, or is it NASs or NAS's...

  • @leexgx
    @leexgx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just run the patch that adds the drives to the supported list, makes them all good again

  • @mrhassell
    @mrhassell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    100GbE Intel Ethernet Network Adapter E810 CQDA2T maybe worth a look. FYI - you’d need about 46,451 bananas stacked on top of each other to reach the height of Mount Everest!

  • @michaelharbuck3314
    @michaelharbuck3314 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    you Do know that we mere mortals will only get near that stuff 20 years from now when it is sold on ebay for pennies on the bit coin... right....

  • @thedave1602
    @thedave1602 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dat Nas

  • @rodovanra6783
    @rodovanra6783 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But Can It Run Crysis?

  • @BAD_CONSUMER
    @BAD_CONSUMER 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    (plugs in 10/100 PCI card) "whats that metal plug thing on his ethernet cord?"

  • @M0rn1n6St4r
    @M0rn1n6St4r 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:07 *Then you've got NVMe-which for PCIe Gen four is **_eight gigabytes per second._** Or (4-second pause) thirty-two gigabit.*
    8 GB/s × 8 b(its)/B(yte) = 64 Gbps. But, PCIe Gen 4×4 ≈4 GB/s → 4 GB/s × 8 b(its)/B(yte) = 32 Gbps.
    Did Wendell _miscalculate?_ Or (4-second pause) did Wendell _misspeak_ - as Wendell is prone to do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @davidwplummer953
    @davidwplummer953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wendell is sure religious about Windows. Took him 17 seconds to start complaining. Mellanox ConnectX-4 25Gbe cards work great in all my Windows machines and my Mac Pro.

  • @cjchico
    @cjchico 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd rather have an iX Systems X10 or X20 for the price/spec ratio of this thing.

  • @Ozz465
    @Ozz465 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Casually dropping 2-3 giga on the table for all to see .

  • @rjdp3
    @rjdp3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TLDR: This 20000€ server gives you 25 gigabit transfer speeds via network
    Products: (1) Synology SA3400D (12) kioxia PM7-V SAS SSD

  • @HaydonRyan
    @HaydonRyan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And how much is this? $10k. Much better buying a dell rackmount and putting nvme in it, could probably afford 100gig. Synology software is good though!

  • @m4nc1n1
    @m4nc1n1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    NASty

  • @firstlast-vh8gz
    @firstlast-vh8gz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You could run mcafee on your nas....don't do that.

  • @wskinnyodden
    @wskinnyodden 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nah, I still call it Plug And Pray...

  • @DaemonForce
    @DaemonForce 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Most of my network stuff is small and private, almost cozy. The equipment is still interesting just because of how far back in generations it's possible to go before the upgrades no longer help. Onboard 1GbE is fine for most of my HDD jobs but dual 10GbE SFP hits in all the right places and is a wonderful security against bad modems that kick everything off the network during an Internet outage. Nothing I have is new or durable enough to invest in anything more. Maybe the day I retire this Ryzen box.

  • @WhiteError37
    @WhiteError37 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bloody Ubuntu in the background WHAT THE HELL

  • @zapman2100
    @zapman2100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Spinning rust huh, well I’ve seen more rust on SSD than HDD internals

    • @varno
      @varno 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Until relatively recently magnetic media literally used micropatterned iron oxide as the magnetically active material.

  • @bekim137
    @bekim137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1gbit here 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @D9ID9I
    @D9ID9I 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Who would pay $10k for that, what a joke 😂

    • @--Lam
      @--Lam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Any "enterprise" pays this much for a fraggin' switch... 1 gig may be slightly cheaper in 2024, but even if, just slightly.
      And if you consider this can be a highly available server of some unimportant stuff which used to live on an vmware cluster...
      And even if you're not looking for a HA place to put your VMs in, it's cheap as potatoes where I'm from!
      And it even has Xeons? No one ever got fired for buying Xeons!
      This is the kind of thing that some companies (or, more precisely, employees like myself) enslaved by the Distinguished Architects are looking for... I know I'm looking for hardware that my Distinguished Architects would ummm... "certify". This Xeon-based small box sounds like a cheat code to super cheap iSCSI SAN, so we'd suddenly get a SAN in auxiliary locations (like colocation at a stock exchange, where we don't have SAN and the Distinguished Architects need months of convincing that 4 servers (with Xeons, of course) in a configuration able to pick up work within 1 minute is good enough "HA").
      Stuff like this may just be a game changer for those fuckers with concrete inside their skulls. Believe me, it's CHEAP, too cheap to convince those morons that it can do anything reliably, not to mention anything they have on their checklists. But hey, it's Xeon, this actually heightens my chances!

  • @sativagirl1885
    @sativagirl1885 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    politics is the best form of Planned Non-Parenthood.

  • @MrBoboka12
    @MrBoboka12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Enterprise grade ... LOOOL. Never buy syno for any important enterprise level stuff. Home toy - with a hefty price tag. Best to keep the fingers away from syno.

  • @ButtBandit9000
    @ButtBandit9000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน