Demo Of Replacing The Low TRS II With Gotoh Floyd Rose On An Ibanez JS100
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- My experience on replacing the low trs 2 with the gotoh. Lot's of confusion out there on if the gotoh fits the Ibanez JS body and route...it does, perfectly. You're welcome.
If any one's interested - Tom Morello and Buckethead use the faulty nut to create percussive effects.. Ibanez offered to replace this Tremelo unit on their guitars and they elected to keep them as the faulty nut creates this unique percussive effect when rattling the bar back and forward.
Cool mod mate. The Gotoh is pretty crazy in terms of quality. Makes me wonder why on earth anyone would spend the money on an OFR.
I did this with my Jackson Dinky and also got the bigblock brass sustain block upgrade from floyd upgrades. Absolutely amazing sound and sustain. The reason for this was that the brass sustain block that came with the Gotoh unit was too long and I was able to get a shorter, but much thicker block which fit perfectly. Your video actually helped me make the choice, as I was doing research and found that everyone is praising the Gotoh units as better than OFR. Thank-you.
Ive been thinking of replacing my Korean FR's with these. This video has definitely helped. They're modestly priced as well, considering their quality and the cost of other double locking trems.
Tip for the gotoh replacement. Pull the locking screw out of the back of the bridge and saw it down a bit instead of modifying the cavity.
Haha when you did the squeal on the new Gotoh I giggled just because it sounded so epic, nice video thanks for uploading!
Gotoh is better than a Floyd .... period
.. just sayin
I just picked up a RG with a Zero II (?) and will be putting on a Gotoh.
My 80's guitars have the OLD Gotoh with offset string block pieces and they are hard to find. 20 years on a string block isn't bad.
Did you switch the pivot poles ?? because they are big and have a pin that extends to the bottom of the hole and caries sustain through the bridge as well.
(edit) Nevermind, just saw your video on replacing those
Great video! You have answered all my thoughts on this conversion. I've had a JS100 for years but never played it much because of the trem. I'm definitely going to go for this conversion - thanks a lot!
Note: I think I'll change the posts as well though ....
GOTOH, best FR ever!!!! Got in on two guitars.
hi, just one question. Did you have problems using the stock pivots/stubs instead the white bigger? cause I'll have the same problem replacing a trs floyd with a original one ... and, if it doesn't work bad, I think I won't enlarge the holes like you did
Nice!
Excactly wich gotoh trem is it?
This is such an easy video to follow! I have the very same red JS-100 and want to exchange units, but I'm getting a bit confused when placing the online order. There are quite a few models to choose from. Would you share what model you installed? Thanks in advance for all the info. Can't wait to get started on the project!
I got a JS100 a few years back and installed a gotoh because of your video. Thanks. Much appreciated. The stock TRS trem is junk.
Fortunately I got mine for $250...good solid guitars, but pickups and hardware are cheap. Sad to say, these used to sell new for $799 back in the day. At best, it was a 350 to 400 dollar guitar with an extra 3-400 bucks to put satriani's name on it.
Awesome video! I don't have a JS100 but I do work on my on guitars and really enjoy watching people do cool stuff on theirs. What amp are you using in the vid? It sounds great!
Did u end up changing the studs mate,im in the middle doing the same thing to my ibenez right now and ive just too the ibenez studs out and filled holes up! Wooden dowels gorila glue im letting it cure couple days then ill give it a smooth file then re drill holes for the gotoh studs to go in there so much bigger think there 30mm deep them studs bye 11.3mm wide haha im needing to level my frets anyway so needing to the guitar a service cant wait to get this gotoh 1996te tremelo unit installed love ur video mate glad i have the gotoh 1996te
Yes the studs were changed out
Yes the studs were changed out but I had my buddy who is a luthier do it. I didn’t want to mess that up. It’s a millions times better. You’re going to love it.
Very cool vid... thanks for taking the time to post it. Also, very cool playing.... rock n' roll BABY! I am now going to replace my Lo TRS II because of this.
T Moody thank you. This was a while ago so I'm not sure if the gotoh is still available but it's been a wonderful upgrade. Still have that guitar with the trem in it.
Oh yeah... it's available on Ebay... thanks again. :-)
99voltsdotcom hi how order this gotho? it has a serial number? or just order a gotho FR??
Take the string lock screws that are going to foul the bodywork. find a small nut that will fit. Screw the nut on half way. Grind or dremel 3mm off the pointy end of the lockscrew off. wind the nut off taking time to go back and fore a few times over the burring at the end. Replace, no fouling no finish damage.
Nice video, thanks. Is Gotoh radius compatible with JS100 neck or did you have to adjust it?
It fits the radius.
The other advantage to the Gotoh studs are that they should have a locking screw in the middle of the post to lock it down....... the stock posts tend to move. On top of that, the Gotoh studs are more than likely harder material.
Thanks. Sold the amp and effects and am now through the AxeFx 2. Still have the guitar and love it.
Really enjoyed this. Gotoh is now on my radar. Thanks man!
Nice guitar and great upgrade and an easy fun project. thanks for the vid
Thanks Miles
Ok, really liked the video - BUT, what is the exact model number of the Gotoh Floyd rose? I haven't seen a single listing or comment that states which one you used. Thank you
1996t, it's the only locking trem Gotoh sells..
thanks! that is a hughes & kettner switchblade 100 combo. it's a great sounding and super versatile amp.
Hi! Nice work. Is the Gotoh GE1996T model? I wanna try at my JS100
Hi, I replaced Floyd Rose Special with Gotoh Floyd Rose on my guitar. Yes, the stock lock screws are too long to fit but I just put swap it with the shorter screws from my Floyd Rose Special and they are good to go. No need routing on mine because the Floyd Rose Special screws fit in the Gotoh Floyd Rose.
The tone is fuller with more sustain with Gotoh as it use brass block (although not as big as Floyd Rose Upgrade block). Floyd Rose Special use zinc block, the sound is not as full/ballsy.
I got the JS100 with the edge pro II tremolo (2003-2006). Didn't realise the fitting would be different, so ordered the Gotoh bridge and found out it doesn't fit!. I am going to file down the right corners of the fitting on the body and repaint it. I'll let you know how it goes. But anyone reading please don't make the same mistake - Gotoh won't fit in the JS100 which comes with edge pro II
Okay it worked but it was a painful process. I'm finding that the springs were too tense for the strings to reach 0 point. So i had to use my old springs. Anyone find this?
Ramsey Johnson what kind of Gotoh model it should be 36 or 40 mm?
So it’s a screw-in arm? Are there any parts that can be swapped out to make it a push-in bar? Would you say the TRS locking nut was bad enough to warrant replacing?
Hello buddy! Which kind of Gotoh did you put in your JS-100? I have a guitar like yours but I can't find a Gotoh with the similar size that mine. I'll have to cut the wood to install and I don't like this.
Hello buddy! Wich kind of Gotoh did you put in your JS-100? I have a guitar like yours but I can't find a Gotoh with the similar size that mine. I'll have to cut the wood to install and I don't like this. Thanks!
@sild123 I didn't notice that. Pulling up you are really going against the tension of the strings rather than the springs. Are you using 9's? if you have 10's it will be more difficult.
Replaced the TRS Lo Pro 2 in my JS 100 with the Gotoh this morning. Easy swap out. Huge improvement.
Awesome!
Did you use the standard 40mm trem block?
The Low TRS II broke on my Ibanez Rg320 and I put in one of these I found half price on ebay and wahey it works thanks for the vid man couldn't find out much info until I saw this!
Could you please give me the exact model or link to your Gotoh trem man? I'd appreciate it greatly! I'm trying to replace one on a RG 320 as well...
I love my Gotoh trem. Dropped one in my JS100 too and it works great.
Hi there! What block length did you go for? Thanks
That's awesome!
I made the same on my RG370DX. Needed some routing but now it plays awesome :)
me too. I needed so much routing and now is ok. The only issue is aesthetic. Now there is some space around the bridge. Such the js of this video...
Thanks for the video. This was exactly was I was looking for!
One thing that drives me nuts with any floyd style guitar is that the bar gets loose within the arm socket it's in and rattles after you use it heavily a few times. With the gotoh floyd rose did you notice that happening?
hey! nice vid! just wondeing 'bout the pick ups, are does the original ones or u changed them? it sounds awesome man! thanks for the advice on the trem! (:
Hi, thanks for your video. I am writing to you from Spain, I have an ibanez rbm10, I am in your same situation, my guitar has the Lo trs trem2, it is 25 years old and it is out of tune. I want to do the same as you. How did you drill and put the 2 new pivots that are larger? my questions are: 1.How did you remove the 2 black pins from the wood of the guitar. 2. What drill bit diameter did you use to put the new ones? Any advice or recommendation ?? Thanks in advance.
I had a luthier do that part because I didn’t feel comfortable doing it myself. I don’t have any information on how it was done.
Congratulations!
Great vídeo, really helpful.
I've got a Gotoh on my guitar too, and its really great, far better than any Floyd Rose I've ever tried, even better than the original floyd rose.
I recently purchase a Graph Tech LB63 (that has piezos) but it didn't arrive yet.
Have heart or experienced Graph Tech Bridges?
Anyway, great video and great sound!
@Dayeeeve excellent construction...WAY better than any modern floyd.
Great video. I had a Gotoh Floyd on a guitar a long time ago and I remember it was expensive, but it was great too! It worked great. I have an Ibanez S series guitar, but thinking of getting the JS100, and wondering if my Ibanez Edge would work in that TRS route? Do you happen to know? Thanks so much.. If not, I'll just keep my S series and use it, but thought I'd see anyway!
Thanks. I don't think the edge will fit. I believe it's a different route.
Thank you..
It's a great trem and I'm real happy with the js100, just wish it has larger frets. The Satch medium frets are a little harder to dig into.
@99voltsdotcom Just a few questions:) How did you mike the amp for this demo? How loud were you playing? Were you using any pedals?
BTW. I saw the Coreblade at NAMM in January. It sounded amazing. Have you tried it?
I saw a post by someone stating that if you use the posts that come with the Gotoh it's supposed to sound even better ~ AND they're locking, although I don't quite get how that works.
Great video exactly what I have ben looking for. I have a lo-trs 2 on an iceman that I want to replace I have been trying to find info on how well made the gotoh floyd roses are.
I am assuming that a low profile gotoh trem would be a good if not better fit considering the lo-trs 2 is a low profile style floyd rose.
hey thanks for this video it been very helpful! could you tell me what the tuning was like before and after the trem change? and does stay in tune well now?
cheers from dan
I just refurbished a JS100 with all pretty brass hardware and a vintage Floyd Rose from an old Ibanez S Series that I've been kicking around for 20 years. Excellent guitar! My last project will be to slap some hot pickups into it.
I think I just jizzed after hearing the tone of your guitar with the new trem. Sa-weeet tone indeed! What's your amp rig consist of?
joeguitargod I believe I was using a Hughes & Kettner on that.
I had the whammy bar prob. with my 2000 RG270DX. Took the trem out used 2 wrenches, one to hold one side and one to tighten the other. Problem solved. I will agree they are made from old fishing weights LOL, I want to swap mine out too.
Hi. I noticed at 9:22 you were able to let it roar/warble. On the originalEdge (2006 Korean model) my bridge is terribly stiff. I've tried removing springs/changing springs and it remains stiff. Would replacing it with the same Gotoh as displayed here fix that?
Damn your tone is amazing.
@99voltsdotcom thanks! I think if won't too expensive, I'll do the same thing from the luthier
Did you end up drilling the holes larger and keeping the new threads? I was trying fit another Tremolo and I encountered the same problem so left the replacement job. How did you do it? I wish that was included in the video. :)
I had a Jem with an edge pro and another g&l with the Gotoh and I actually preferred the Gotoh. I was more fun. Like the difference between riding a low rollercoaster vs a high rollercoaster.
Did you say the Gotoh GE 1996t drops in and clears the route of an Ibanez LO trs2 when you used the stock mounting studs?
Yes it does.
Hehe that question was a year ago. I ended up taking the chance and went ahead and installed it.
@2BLogical cool, thanks. the switchblade is a GREAT amp. All tube, 4 channel with built in effects. 128 programmable presets so you can go from super clean to very heavy with effects with the click of 1 button on the pedal board. It's what line 6 has been trying to accomplish for 10 years, but witha real amp.
Fun little factoid - Gotoh actually makes the Ibanez Edge tremolo for them. The one you bought is effectively an aftermarket Edge Tremolo.
Yes, but the Edge Zero II, for example, has the flattened tabs at the back and it can't accommodate (e.g.) the EVH D-Tuna or similar aftermarket device to give a given tuning setup a little more versatility with drop D available without re-tuning the whole assembly. I'm discovering the limits of some of the low-profile Ibanez trem systems in that respect. And, the Gotoh aftermarket hardware is of superior quality in materials and build.
which the trap that guitar and what woods it? thank you
Your tone is pretty great.
@metalterminator1 the notches in the original posts are smaller that the gotoh replacements so the tuning sometimes is off by a hair when the trem comes back to flush because the knife edges don't have totally free movoment. i just dropped it off today to have the posts replaced.
Hi, Great video. I have a question. I have a Charvel with a Floyd 1000, its too stiff regardless if I change to less springs or different gauge springs. Do you think the Gotoh would be smoother, as in less stiff, easier to glide. I am so used to my Ibanez edge pro, and it glides way easier. Thanks
Double locking trems are designed to be floating on a knife edge so the resistance should be just between the tension of the strings and springs unless you have another device with the strings that tries to put the trem back to neutral or is there to stiffen play like a shock absorber.
great guitare do you change a pick up put dimarzio ta the bridge pick up ? when you play you used a bridge pick up ?
I've done the same thing, replace a crappy licence floyd with a Gotoh and was really impressed about the quality!! The price is ridiculous when you think at the original floyd rose's price, the first price of the original floyd rose is more expensive than the Gotoh one and the overall quality of the Gotoh is far better...
@99voltsdotcom
yes, its when i pull up. its normal when i press it down (dive bomb). i wonder why that is, maybe because its big block? you know that the gotoh floyd have a bigger/longer block than trs 2 right? i assume that its too long that it dont match the claw in height, i hope you understand what i mean. or because the springs?
What was the original trem on your JEM? Was it that strange LT1 trem or an Edge III?
Hi man, Great vid. I have a Jem555 with the dreaded lo trs II. I'm guessing if your Gotoh swapped with your trs, then the Gotoh should swap on my jem!!! What do you like? Cheers Dude...
hello Mr 99voltsdocom ......... so i plan want to buy Ibanez XPT700XH and i want to change it to Floyd Rose.so after i watch ur video i confuse coz Gotoh did you use sounds great.sooooooooooooooo can you give me answer Gotoh or Floyd Rose?
hi there, i have the same guitar with the same trs 2, replaced by the same gotoh floyd rose. great tremolo indeed, but i just got one problem, wonder if you had the same problem: the tremolo works fine, can do flutter etc, but i just feel its little bit too stiff when i pull the trem up ( not as tense as you think, but compare to , say, rg series, or other guys on youtube they seems to have a really smooth/soft tremolo, easy to manipulate even with one finger) any thought? regards
Obviously, it stays in tune well with just two springs. I'm going to check that out. What were you using for your overdrive?
did you have to change the locking nut? I've notice that the nut on the guitar I want to make the change to is 43mm width at nut, and gotoh's is 40mm, or would I be able to swap out the nut as well. Any answer would be greatly appreciated.
Mrtokken88 I did not change the nut.
Yes. 7:46 in the video shows the box with the full number.
Hello, I am about to purchase a new guitar and I'm between this and the S770, which you think best? The bridge does not have JS ZR, the S770 if. but Satriani has better pickups I have heard. What do you advise??? I do Rock. Thank you. -
Been doing a lot of research about the Gotoh being the best lic replacement for the Floyd Rose Original is it the model GE 1996t by any chance.? if not what is the model number on that Gotoh? thanks sounds great!!
@TMatt142 thanks for the heads up...i'll have to give it a shot.
I did. You may have dull edges on the bridge that are binding up the abaility of the edge to return to perfect 0. I would pull it off and look at the knife edges and see how they look and also the posts on the guitar.
@DFootprints thank you...the gotoh is a WAY better trem. well worth the switch. the bridge is a paf joe and neck is...oh crap I forget what's in the neck. it's a replacement as well. Been VERY happy with the paf joe...frequency and tone is much better than the fred. bought it with the replacement p/u's already installed.
Im gonna sling a Gotoh trem in my strat body that has been sitting around in the outhouse for months.. Can't wait, I have been missing some whammy fun for aaages.
Yes, the Lo TRS II sucks but the one *good* thing about it is that it's low profile...I don't like how the Gotoh bridge you bought has the fine tuners in the back that stick up at an angle like that. They should have a low-profile version that fits this route...I would hope they would anyway. It would be nice if you put the model number in the description.
Good idea, I'll do that.
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That JS is beautiful! I think you should of took the guitar to a luthier and had the posts replaced. The black old ones look like they were zinc, while the new ones were hardened steel.
I have changed my license floyd on my jackson to the same gotoh that u are using about a year a ago...
same problem the knife post that are bigger and its hard to do an intonation because the of floyd cavity space...
the gotoh springs are so strong..ive use only 2 springs same as u...
overall...i a proud gotoh owner...
btw...its sound amazing after u change it...
a lot better...
I have a trs pro, im looking for any replacement but im not sure if the floydrose special can fit in to replace my trs pro. Can you help me sir.
where did you find this gotoh model for 125$ I need one to replace the regular TRS1 in my S370 and ebay seems high at 195.00$ I suspect I wouldn't have the string clamp screws hitting the body a prob because the TRS1 is designed with the long screws out the back like you gotoh.
helped a lot,thank you v m
8:44 supposedly you can pull the bolts off the old trem which are shorter and will fit the gotoh
I seem to recall hearing that the Ibanez EDGE trem made by Gotoh?
I have an early S470 (pre ZR) that I swapped for an original FloydRose - it made a huge difference !
I also really like the Yamaha RM (rocking magic) trems on the RGX series.
Just picked up an Ergodyne EDR470 and know nothing about floyds. Been building my own guitars for years but I've avoided FR bridges like the plague. Did the original FR drop right in or did you have to replace the studs? And did you have the same tolerance issues he had in the video with the screws narrowly missing the body? I know this comment is years old but any info you've got would help. Thanks.
@fastfirenick that is a hughes & kettner switchblade 100 combo amp with a tc electronic g-force effects unit. the g-force is an amazing box. That said, I now use an axefx ultra for amp and effects and it surpasses the tc unit by light years.
thanks for sharing man!!!! helped alot!!
What length trem block is your gotoh? Are you able to put the back plate on?
gotoh sells three options for block length, I believe the shortest is 33mm and it fits in my S-Series fine.
for the recessed double locking tremolos, you usually have to go for the 33mm block.
I have this guitar with an Edge III trem but the trem doesn't go back to it's exact position after moving it up or down. When I move it down and let it go, the guitar tunes down a bit, and vice versa when I move it up. The bridge is level and I don't know what the problem is. Should I get the Gotoh bridge? Do you have any of these problems?
How is the replacement with the radius of the fretboard? Do you need to shim the saddles at all?
radius is fine but i did have to shim the nut.
@hatehomework In this video it fit fine. I have since changed the posts to the gotoh posts and that made the hex bolts on the back hit the body when I would pull up. I had to manually route out some wood to make the cavity bigger.
What model is the Gotoh. Thanks in advance.
@99voltsdotcom other than the tremolo, i didnt change anything (the studs, springs, nut etc) i still have 3 springs from dimarzio attached to it. any thought on this? because we have similiar condition i thought you might have the solution. thanks a lot in advance!
now does this mean the Edge 3 trem route is the same and the gotoh would work?
@99voltsdotcom do i have to do some route on my js100 to fit in the original edge pro trem?
GOTOH is definately the best FLOYD on the market PERIOD !! I have 3 and I wouldn't go back to a real Floyd EVER. Great video !!
in what guitars do you have those gotoh installed? i already have one, but it doesn´t fit my ibanez so i´m on the market for i guitar in which i can fit it. Cheers!
MrJp5150 so how I order mine? I got the same guitar, just search gotho FR?
Sorry, Nothing beats the REAL German made Floyd.
what is the measurement of the gotoh?? I am planing to buy it and wanted to know which one is it?
@ddimibb I do not know if it will fit, but it should. I would think most of the ibanez routes are similar. the post on my guitar and the gotoh did not have similar threads. good luck!
Is that the standard 40mm block on the Gotoh?
I know this is an old video, but I hope you've replaced the pivot posts to the Gotoh ones as well
Thank you so much for this video. I have a Ibanez RBM 10 that has a lo TRS trem. I have been searching on the net and found that these guitars have bad reputation and it is mostly for its trem and pickups. the pickus arent that bad to me, but I cant live with doing divebombs. I found that the TRS can be replaced by the Original Floyd Rose. so I was wondering if it would be a task that could be done by myself. after seeing the video I think I can.