Tim Ferguson...possibly the greatest runner in the history of mankind, ran a 3:52 mile in practice, swears he did, may have been a short track, his watch may have stopped, who's to say. Later married Rosie Ruiz, invented the iPod, became a U.S. Senator, and first man on Mars.
Dave Wottle is a class guy. Won the 800m in the 1972 Olympics, then he became a college administrator, devoting his life to helping young people!! He is now retired but he still makes occasional public appearances, doing motivational speaking and the like.
Marty called it right. Wottle was the middle distance sprinter. Bill Toomey I knew as the UC Irvine Athletic Director and Head Track Coach had his nerves unhinged in 68 winning the decathlon. I never tried vaulting but my grandfather did in 1920. Always something going on at the games. Ryan fell in 72 but his day was in '66. Finland policeman also fell during his 72/76 winning the double double. I was there in 84 warning Mary Decker in the race before she fell but somehow was late to her final. Was there w hff en Sebastian Coe finally won his race in '84. After that I never went to another race. America lost its stride after that, its time of greatness ended.
My HS Freshman year, I was the fastest runner in my school. I was planning on football, but Dave Wottle changed my mind. I ran with a hat and became the first freshman ever to make varsity on a undefeated X Country team.
May 14, 1972 - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. International Freedom Games - University of Pennsylvania's Franklin Field in Philadelphia. Back then lane 5 was the 400 meter lane and all multi-lap races were run in the outer four lanes (note the curbing inside of lanes 1 and 5). The track has since been reconfigured to make lane 4 the 400 meter lane.
I was 12 when I watched Dave Wottle and the hat win the 800 in the 72 Olympics in very similar fashion. He let the front runners burn themselves out and paced himself over the first 3 laps. In the Munich Olympics his 2 laps were about even splits. It looks like he is kicking but it was more his opponents were decelerating faster than him. I got motivated in 8th grade and wore a hat during our track season. I laid back on the first lap but something funny happened. I had no last lap kick and came in last. But he was my first track hero. I had never seen this race before today, so as I am watching it, I am unaware this was before the Olympics and how Wottle was barley mentioned in the beginning. All the hype was on the other guys. Since this was a mile I didn't think Dave would win as I never seen him run a mile or 1500 meters before. Funny how this race foreshadowed his victory in the Olympics. I will never forget I recorded the 800 meters on a reel to reel cassette tape player and listened to it over and over again with Jim McKay announcing it. Very exciting memories. Good watching the old school runners where breaking 4 minutes was something special unlike today where it is routine.
His hat, build and his gait made him look like an old man to me, but I just knew he'd win, and he did in every race I remember seeing him run in. Watching a race start with him in it, the anticipation of him kicking at the end was almost more than I could take.
I was 13 in 1972. I also remember it well. Wottle inspired me too. Ran track and cross country in high school. 1 mile, 2 mile, and 3 mile. Better longer the distance. One mile is just so fast. I'm not built for that kind of speed. I recall kicking last 200 sometimes eyes begin watering, vision blurring, running all out and can't even feel your legs, feel like rubber, numb. Brutal.
I saw Wottle's Olympic run when I was 15. I attend the Montreal Games as a spectator in '76. One day I was walking to the stadium to see track & field and I looked to my right, it was Dave Wottle with another man. Wottle was a spectator. Got to shake his hand. Never forgot that.
I was at that meet as well as the previous year. Jim Ryun‘s wife was sitting near us and Jim came up in the stands after the race and was very distraught. As the Ryuns left, Jim left his spikes on the bench next to my brother and I. I picked them up and gave them to Anne Ryun. I was a 12 year old track nut and big Ryun fan. He won the Trials in those spikes and then fell in Munich in them. We know what Wottle did.
I remember watching Dave Wottle running on live TV back then and he was the most exciting middle distance runner of his era. His 800 meter win at the 1972 Olympics especially was just an "edge of your seat" type of finish that started gaining momentum around the final turn and into the home stretch. I really haven't seen anyone since then with those types of finishes.
I ran cross country in HS in 73-74 and it seemed every half ass kid wore a golf cap. I don't remember any of them performing at or near the top. But hey, they looked cool so that counts for something
The athlete Dave Wottle had a very interesting strategy, in a test of 4 laps he ran the first 3 in the fifth position, and as it was in the last gave everything.
Almost all great runners have an off day. EXCEPT for the great Herb Elliot from Australia. He lost a mile race when he was 14 then, after that, was NEVER DEFEATED over 1500m or the Mile. He won Gold at 1500m in Rome in 1960, set a world record, then retired UNDEFEATED as a senior runner at 1500m and Mile. Absolutely amazing.
Dave Wattel, Prefontaine, and Fosbery Flop fame were big stories in the 60s. Fosbery introduced the Fosbery back first jum, and Prefontaine was the sad case runner where he died 😢 during his short life. Many athletes became household names as they should've. 😊
As a miler myself I also liked to hit it hard on the first 400 ease off the second and third then sprint the last 400. My best was in HS as a junior 4:01. I had shin splints really bad in my senior year, ended up running for USMC... :-)
That is a great time, but the mile third lap is the mistake lap. Pace slows and runners bunch. Just because you can sprint doesn't mean you have to. Coe double kicked.
Rheinhardt Harrison is a high school junior with a 4.01 best time so far. He has the long hair, trains with the cap, but may be too young for the mustache.
I think it's time to dump the 1500 and instead run 1608 meters. That's a mile. The mile is the classic distance. Much history, much emotion attached to the mile. 1500 is a bean counter's race.
My dad Larry Jantzen ran a 1:51 800 meter as a HS Senior and was trying to race these guys in 1973-1974 but because of various reasons (war, runners moving/changing schools) never happened.
youve got to excuse my ignorance but i was always an ovett fan-then i found wottles 800m in 1972 olympics-i mean wtf and then seeing this he was great.wottle was the scurlogue champ of athletics
Byron Dyce is from Jamaica, not the USA. He competed for Jamaica in the 1968 and 1972 Olympic Games. He is currently a math professor at Santa Fe College
Just some extra info for Animal’s comment-You’d have to mention Ryun in this clip’s title just because of his notoriety @ the time (1965-1972). In this race he’s 25, but @ 18 he was the only high school kid to run under 4 for the mile. He went on to win the silver medal @ the 1968 Olympics just behind Kip Keino (another middle-distance man who wore a cap during races). So now it’s 1972, and everyone is anticipating another showdown between Keino and Ryun. Ryun is feeling tremendous pressure. He’s thinking - everyone is expecting me to win. Personally, at this time in Ryun’s life he doesn’t this pressure well at all.
Everything was falling into place for Jim Ryun in 1972. He cruised through the mile in Toronto in 3:52 with a great solo race where he led from the start to the finish. Had he been paced/ pushed by rabbits or good competition he would've run 3:48 with no problem. At the 1972 Olympics he was tripped/ spiked from behind and he should've been advanced to the semi-trials. Jim was robbed of another shot at a Gold Medal.
Greg Fredericks had pretty good range. That same season he set the AR in the 10,000m at the AAU championships in Seattle (I was there). I think he ran 28:08 . Shorter took a good chunk off that at the Munich Olys, though.
Had their peak periods been matched it would have been great to see 'Wottle's throttle' matched against Coe and Ovett. I doubt that even the magnificent Dave could have handled either, nevertheless it would have been special to see. P.S. The only other runner I have ever witnessed with Dave's breathtaking last five yards perfectly timed finish was Ian Stewart in the greatest race of all time - the 5,000 metres men's final in the '72 Olympics (3rd place, robbing Prefontaine).
From 100 Meters out: Coe from 1981-1984, in 11.4 From 200 Meters out: Ovett from 1977-1979, in 23.4 From 300 Meters out: Ryun at Dusseldorf in 1967, 36.4 From 400 Meters out: Cram 1984-1987, in 49.2 From 800 Meters out: El-G 1996-1998, in 1:48
Part 2 Ryun recently ran a 4:09 or so at the Drake Relays in Iowa and now he runs worse - a 4:14 (I think he gave up after 2 laps. This race was on Mother’s Day in 1972. Then come the Trials in June. Ryun must have huge doubts about his chances to qualify for the Olympics in Munich. But you know the ending here - he comes out strong and wins the 1500m final. He made the cover of SI for the 4 or 5th time with the headline Ryun Grins and Wins. Ryun went on to fall in the prelims in Munich. He tried to contest that he was fouled, but he was granted a bye into the final. I watched that race in the basement of my dorm building. I was shocked. He was dazed as I was saying - get up, Jim. Get up! No, you need the man’s name in this video title. And it needs to go first.
Brilliant, although you are wrong about one thing. The SI quote was for Marty Liquori, not Jim Ryun. “Liquori grins and wins” when he went head to head with Ryun and outkicked him. I have autographed copy from Liquori and live about 50 miles from him in Florida.
@@combatbeatdown i.ebayimg.com/images/g/j54AAOSwmpdhTwLR/s-l500.jpg You’re right - it was a year before when Ryun and Liquori made the cover with the title - Grins and Wins. However, the Trials cover a year later (7/17/72) does show Jim grinning but with the title - Jim Dandy. Thanks for accurate correction, Juice.
@@DavidJohnson-iq2dd ah, the classic “Jim Dandy Again!” When he won the 1500. excellent! The golden age of American distance running doesn’t get any better than this. Ill be seeing Marty Liquori in January 2023 at a 50th anniversary celebration of Frank Shorter winning the Olympic marathon in 1972. Please, call me Dave.
@@combatbeatdownYou are correct! My son gave me an pristine copy of the Sports Illustrated from May 1971 with the “Liquori grins and wins” tagline. A treasured possession for a track fan!
Came down to the kick at the end with Wottle! Wow. Not Ryun's day and I recall very well watching him fall at Munich . What's up with the track? Why are they running in the outer lanes?
1500 meters is shorter than 1 mile , I think that was the third lane they ran in, to get the distance to one mile. Watch some of the other videos , they also run in that lane for the mile.
This is at University of Pennsylvania. They originally built the stadium with just a handfull of lanes. The track got very popular with big races and the penn relays. To fit the capacity, they built inwards to avoid ripping down the massive stadium surrounding it
Yep Wottle has done it again. At the start of the race, he was trailing in last position. As the race progresses post half way. He pushes down on the accelerator, cruising up to the middle of the pack. The final straight top gear and a win. He has the capacity to go a lot faster. But, happy with a win. No fanfare or whoops of joy. Another stroll in the park win. This commentator was not a fan of Wottle. I think the frenzied commentary comes later from commentators once his trade mark lagging at the start end with a blistering finish to win.
What a jinx Marty liquori was to Jim Ryun...put an indelible hex on him at the 1968 1500 final...convinced all the Americans to run slowly for 2 laps...poor Jim...ran into the stupidest man in New Jersey....and followed his advice!
I have a theory. Jim Ryan pushed too hard in training while in his teens, and then set world records. Because once he was past 20, he never ran as fast or faster. Ryan might have run raster world records, if he'd built up more slowly and aimed to peak in his early to mid 20s.
@@brettldouglas He surprisingly was. My dad (Wottle) raced him up in Oregon for a fund raiser meet in the mile and Pre came in second with I believe a top 10 fastest mile time in the world. Impressive for a 5k guy!
@@addemup There was and is nothing racist about saying, "The first black man to..." It is still said when that's the case. When Lemaitre ran under 10 seconds in the hundred a couple of years back, they said, "The first white man to go under 10 seconds..." Nothing at all racist about it. Just a fact.
@Michael Rodriguez Exactly what Im saying. As an 800M runner Wottle had a better kick than Ryun in a slowish mile. Wottle couldnt have lived with Ryun in a fast race.
I'm not a fan of tactical racing, it's relatively slow going and then a mad dash at the end, and if you're blocked in, too bad. I discussed this with Glenn Cunningham and asked him why not (if you're the fastest guy there) just leave everyone behind? They can play tactics all they want - if they can't catch you, you're going to win. But he disagreed, and I'll never know why. I thought my reasoning was pretty good. Note: he did not bring up the issue of drafting, his point of view had nothing to do with drafting.
@@johnnysparkleface3096 If it's windy good idea to draft, let someone else take the wind, if you're a kicker, wait and go by, they will have 2 things to worry about, you and the wind!
Tim Ferguson...possibly the greatest runner in the history of mankind, ran a 3:52 mile in practice, swears he did, may have been a short track, his watch may have stopped, who's to say. Later married Rosie Ruiz, invented the iPod, became a U.S. Senator, and first man on Mars.
What?
I was sat next to Ryun on a flight from DC to Kansas when he was a Congressman. Nice guy.
Dave Wottle is a class guy. Won the 800m in the 1972 Olympics, then he became a college administrator, devoting his life to helping young people!! He is now retired but he still makes occasional public appearances, doing motivational speaking and the like.
Sickest feeling in racing...Wottle on your right shoulder in the last 100.
Best coment Ever in track AND field videos...
Really appeared that he measured off the victory
Marty called it right. Wottle was the middle distance sprinter. Bill Toomey I knew as the UC Irvine Athletic Director and Head Track Coach had his nerves unhinged in 68 winning the decathlon. I never tried vaulting but my grandfather did in 1920. Always something going on at the games. Ryan fell in 72 but his day was in '66. Finland policeman also fell during his 72/76 winning the double double.
I was there in 84 warning Mary Decker in the race before she fell but somehow was late to her final. Was there w hff en Sebastian Coe finally won his race in '84. After that I never went to another race. America lost its stride after that, its time of greatness ended.
RYUN, not Ryan.
My HS Freshman year, I was the fastest runner in my school. I was planning on football, but Dave Wottle changed my mind. I ran with a hat and became the first freshman ever to make varsity on a undefeated X Country team.
Thank you for the upload. If it were today Wottle would have become rich by selling that cap. I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
Wottle - The guy commentated on the least and most likely to win. Absolute pleasure to watch.
Dave Wottle showed that you only have to lead the last step.
May 14, 1972 - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. International Freedom Games - University of Pennsylvania's Franklin Field in Philadelphia.
Back then lane 5 was the 400 meter lane and all multi-lap races were run in the outer four lanes (note the curbing inside of lanes 1 and 5). The track has since been reconfigured to make lane 4 the 400 meter lane.
Is it just me or this video has a great record footage coming in the decade of the 70’s. Just imagine seeing pre run with this kind of recording.
My first thought as well!
10:45 PM
11/11/2023
I was 12 when I watched Dave Wottle and the hat win the 800 in the 72 Olympics in very similar fashion. He let the front runners burn themselves out and paced himself over the first 3 laps. In the Munich Olympics his 2 laps were about even splits. It looks like he is kicking but it was more his opponents were decelerating faster than him. I got motivated in 8th grade and wore a hat during our track season. I laid back on the first lap but something funny happened. I had no last lap kick and came in last. But he was my first track hero. I had never seen this race before today, so as I am watching it, I am unaware this was before the Olympics and how Wottle was barley mentioned in the beginning. All the hype was on the other guys. Since this was a mile I didn't think Dave would win as I never seen him run a mile or 1500 meters before. Funny how this race foreshadowed his victory in the Olympics. I will never forget I recorded the 800 meters on a reel to reel cassette tape player and listened to it over and over again with Jim McKay announcing it. Very exciting memories. Good watching the old school runners where breaking 4 minutes was something special unlike today where it is routine.
His hat, build and his gait made him look like an old man to me, but I just knew he'd win, and he did in every race I remember seeing him run in. Watching a race start with him in it, the anticipation of him kicking at the end was almost more than I could take.
I was 13 in 1972. I also remember it well. Wottle inspired me too. Ran track and cross country in high school. 1 mile, 2 mile, and 3 mile. Better longer the distance. One mile is just so fast. I'm not built for that kind of speed. I recall kicking last 200 sometimes eyes begin watering, vision blurring, running all out and can't even feel your legs, feel like rubber, numb. Brutal.
I saw Wottle's Olympic run when I was 15. I attend the Montreal Games as a spectator in '76. One day I was walking to the stadium to see track & field and I looked to my right, it was Dave Wottle with another man. Wottle was a spectator. Got to shake his hand. Never forgot that.
McKay was so wonderful
" ... Wottle was barley mentioned in the beginning." You mean BARELY mentioned. Barley is a grain.
I was at that meet as well as the previous year. Jim Ryun‘s wife was sitting near us and Jim came up in the stands after the race and was very distraught. As the Ryuns left, Jim left his spikes on the bench next to my brother and I. I picked them up and gave them to Anne Ryun. I was a 12 year old track nut and big Ryun fan. He won the Trials in those spikes and then fell in Munich in them. We know what Wottle did.
I loved Jim ryun . Win some lose some, he will always be a winner in my eyes.
We must have been almost next to each other. The Ryuns sat two rows behind me.
Leaving his spikes there was a sign he just wanted to give up on the sport. He'd had enough.
What did Wottle do?
@@davidmcc8727 You can see what Wottle did here: th-cam.com/video/5LHid-nC45k/w-d-xo.html
Marty Liquori called the race perfectly, predicting Wottle would come on strong and kick to victory.
This mile race demonstrated Wottle's conditioning and primed him for his Olympic 800 meter victory.
Thank you.
I remember watching Dave Wottle running on live TV back then and he was the most exciting middle distance runner of his era. His 800 meter win at the 1972 Olympics especially was just an "edge of your seat" type of finish that started gaining momentum around the final turn and into the home stretch. I really haven't seen anyone since then with those types of finishes.
Steve Scott…Eagmon Coglan…Jim Spivey….
Coglan was strictly an indoor runner. Outdoors, he was really nothing special.
it was great watching but in his Olympic win, all the runners ahead of him slowed down. they hit the wall. Wottle himself says this.
Wottle, one of the great kickers of all time.
So was Ryun. He could run the 400 in 46 and change.
Don't forget about Billy Mills!!
I ran cross country in HS in 73-74 and it seemed every half ass kid wore a golf cap. I don't remember any of them performing at or near the top. But hey, they looked cool so that counts for something
In the Olympics, they were banned on anything less than a marathon.
Interesting to see Wottle run such a similar last lap to the way he ran in Munich (in the 800m), right down to the lean at the finish.
He outsmarted them Ukrainian fellows!
Golly!
I was like holy shit he’s gonna do it again
Mon idole,
Adolescent..
Dave wottle.
A great champion..
The athlete Dave Wottle had a very interesting strategy, in a test of 4 laps he ran the
first 3 in the fifth position, and as it was in the last gave everything.
Great clip, thank you;
I still believe that Jim Ryun is the greatest American miler, of all time...
+Ullo; I'll take my gal Mary Decker GOAT, when healthy, unbeatable!
Fast but extremely inconstent
"Pre's People" New documentary on Prefontaine showcases his toughness growing up in Coos Bay, OR. Inspiring!
Pretty good footage quality given that stuff even only 20yrs old looks 240p or less lol - Thanks!!!
Wottle the Throttle!
Jim Ryun...great but still human!
Almost all great runners have an off day. EXCEPT for the great Herb Elliot from Australia. He lost a mile race when he was 14 then, after that, was NEVER DEFEATED over 1500m or the Mile. He won Gold at 1500m in Rome in 1960, set a world record, then retired UNDEFEATED as a senior runner at 1500m and Mile. Absolutely amazing.
Wattle was a beast he’s the guy with the hat
I remember Dave's 880 come from last to beat the Kenyan and Soviet and this Mile when I was 10. Always the hat.
Dave Wattel, Prefontaine, and Fosbery Flop fame were big stories in the 60s. Fosbery introduced the Fosbery back first jum, and Prefontaine was the sad case runner where he died 😢 during his short life. Many athletes became household names as they should've. 😊
As a miler myself I also liked to hit it hard on the first 400 ease off the second and third then sprint the last 400. My best was in HS as a junior 4:01. I had shin splints really bad in my senior year, ended up running for USMC... :-)
That is a great time, but the mile third lap is the mistake lap. Pace slows and runners bunch. Just because you can sprint doesn't mean you have to. Coe double kicked.
Sounds like some faulty advice to run a 4:01, you have to be pretty even split the entire time and go all out the last lap.
What year? That time is phenomenal!
Nice to show pictures and explain what is going on.
MUCH better than music.
Slow pace early left it open for the kick. Wottle's kick was epic.
I loved racing the mile in the rain
This is incredible. Thank you for sharing
Tom
Courtney 800
The cap. That is classic. I would love to see a miler dominant now days with a freaking cap on haha, and a moustache, let alone log hair. Please.
@@WalkerStJohn-by2kk Cowboy boots aren't conducive to fast miling, though, Tex.
Look for Craig Engels
Rheinhardt Harrison is a high school junior with a 4.01 best time so far. He has the long hair, trains with the cap, but may be too young for the mustache.
Also, Steve Prefontaine.
Very nice piece.
I think it's time to dump the 1500 and instead run 1608 meters. That's a mile. The mile is the classic distance. Much history, much emotion attached to the mile. 1500 is a bean counter's race.
My dad Larry Jantzen ran a 1:51 800 meter as a HS Senior and was trying to race these guys in 1973-1974 but because of various reasons (war, runners moving/changing schools) never happened.
Good job
Classic
This was tough track for Ryun
Amazing what Wottle did in the Olympics
Wottle!!!!!
Only thing missing is "Stand by for the kick of Dave Wottle".
Nice to see all the nice comments from the Americans.
Ryun ran a a 4:14?
Wottle had that final kick down to an art form.
The Best Dove Wottle..
Olympic Chаmpion 1972
800 m 1.45.86.
1.45.86 is a poor time. He was lucky.
@@Jimmy911ism Right. My grandma runs 1:45 flat.
@@MrTruckerf For 800m at elite level, in an Olympic final, he was lucky to be able to catch them running that time. Low 1.44s are what you'd expect.
Distance running pioneers, but this is 5000m pace today. Tracks have become faster, but training has progressed so much.
That damn cap! What a character!
Wottle!!!!
Not to get greedy, but I would love to see the entire meet.😀
At 6:53, watch Wottle just bump into the Villanova kid and say "Move Bitch, get out the way."
The Assassin
Is this at Penn’s Franklin Field?
youve got to excuse my ignorance but i was always an ovett fan-then i found wottles 800m in 1972 olympics-i mean wtf and then seeing this he was great.wottle was the scurlogue champ of athletics
Nice
Wottle was a very fast 800m runner as well.
Rather...th-cam.com/video/5LHid-nC45k/w-d-xo.html
@Paul 72 Olympic Champ!
I heard that, too.
Byron Dyce is from Jamaica, not the USA. He competed for Jamaica in the 1968 and 1972 Olympic Games. He is currently a math professor at Santa Fe College
Dyce also ran for NYU. I have vague memories of him running in high school, he's only a few years older than I am.
Byron Dyce went to and ran for my high school - Erasmus Hall High School in Brooklyn, NY
The whole entire length of the video would equal the best mile I could run
Looks to me like he only won by the brim of his hat.....gotta remember that little trick.
I should have worn a hat with a 10" bill back in high school; might have won a few of the close ones.
Just some extra info for Animal’s comment-You’d have to mention Ryun in this clip’s title just because of his notoriety @ the time (1965-1972). In this race he’s 25, but @ 18 he was the only high school kid to run under 4 for the mile. He went on to win the silver medal @ the 1968 Olympics just behind Kip Keino (another middle-distance man who wore a cap during races). So now it’s 1972, and everyone is anticipating another showdown between Keino and Ryun. Ryun is feeling tremendous pressure. He’s thinking - everyone is expecting me to win. Personally, at this time in Ryun’s life he doesn’t this pressure well at all.
Jim Ryun in 1972 ran a mile in 3:52.8 in July. So, he wasn't washed up in 1972
Everything was falling into place for Jim Ryun in 1972. He cruised through the mile in Toronto in 3:52 with a great solo race where he led from the start to the finish. Had he been paced/ pushed by rabbits or good competition he would've run 3:48 with no problem. At the 1972 Olympics he was tripped/ spiked from behind and he should've been advanced to the semi-trials. Jim was robbed of another shot at a Gold Medal.
Greg Fredericks had pretty good range. That same season he set the AR in the 10,000m at the AAU championships in Seattle (I was there). I think he ran 28:08 . Shorter took a good chunk off that at the Munich Olys, though.
Had their peak periods been matched it would have been great to see 'Wottle's throttle' matched against Coe and Ovett. I doubt that even the magnificent Dave could have handled either, nevertheless it would have been special to see.
P.S. The only other runner I have ever witnessed with Dave's breathtaking last five yards perfectly timed finish was Ian Stewart in the greatest race of all time - the 5,000 metres men's final in the '72 Olympics (3rd place, robbing Prefontaine).
From 100 Meters out: Coe from 1981-1984, in 11.4
From 200 Meters out: Ovett from 1977-1979, in 23.4
From 300 Meters out: Ryun at Dusseldorf in 1967, 36.4
From 400 Meters out: Cram 1984-1987, in 49.2
From 800 Meters out: El-G 1996-1998, in 1:48
It was Wottle's year.
Part 2
Ryun recently ran a 4:09 or so at the Drake Relays in Iowa and now he runs worse - a 4:14 (I think he gave up after 2 laps.
This race was on Mother’s Day in 1972.
Then come the Trials in June. Ryun must have huge doubts about his chances to qualify for the Olympics in Munich.
But you know the ending here - he comes out strong and wins the 1500m final. He made the cover of SI for the 4 or 5th time with the headline Ryun Grins and Wins.
Ryun went on to fall in the prelims in Munich. He tried to contest that he was fouled, but he was granted a bye into the final. I watched that race in the basement of my dorm building. I was shocked. He was dazed as I was saying - get up, Jim. Get up!
No, you need the man’s name in this video title. And it needs to go first.
Brilliant, although you are wrong about one thing. The SI quote was for Marty Liquori, not Jim Ryun. “Liquori grins and wins” when he went head to head with Ryun and outkicked him. I have autographed copy from Liquori and live about 50 miles from him in Florida.
@@combatbeatdown i.ebayimg.com/images/g/j54AAOSwmpdhTwLR/s-l500.jpg
You’re right - it was a year before when Ryun and Liquori made the cover with the title - Grins and Wins. However, the Trials cover a year later (7/17/72) does show Jim grinning but with the title - Jim Dandy. Thanks for accurate correction, Juice.
@@DavidJohnson-iq2dd ah, the classic “Jim Dandy Again!” When he won the 1500. excellent! The golden age of American distance running doesn’t get any better than this. Ill be seeing Marty Liquori in January 2023 at a 50th anniversary celebration of Frank Shorter winning the Olympic marathon in 1972. Please, call me Dave.
@@combatbeatdownYou are correct! My son gave me an pristine copy of the Sports Illustrated from May 1971 with the “Liquori grins and wins” tagline. A treasured possession for a track fan!
Came down to the kick at the end with Wottle! Wow. Not Ryun's day and I recall very well watching him fall at Munich . What's up with the track? Why are they running in the outer lanes?
1500 meters is shorter than 1 mile , I think that was the third lane they ran in, to get the distance to one mile. Watch some of the other videos , they also run in that lane for the mile.
@kissmyaass1That's the same thing I heard. The inside lanes are less than 440 yds (or 400 meters).
This is at University of Pennsylvania. They originally built the stadium with just a handfull of lanes. The track got very popular with big races and the penn relays. To fit the capacity, they built inwards to avoid ripping down the massive stadium surrounding it
Wottle with high, wet socks! Doesn't matter! 😄
Hold my hat!
Yep Wottle has done it again. At the start of the race, he was trailing in last position. As the race progresses post half way. He pushes down on the accelerator, cruising up to the middle of the pack. The final straight top gear and a win. He has the capacity to go a lot faster. But, happy with a win. No fanfare or whoops of joy. Another stroll in the park win.
This commentator was not a fan of Wottle.
I think the frenzied commentary comes later from commentators once his trade mark lagging at the start end with a blistering finish to win.
What a jinx Marty liquori was to Jim Ryun...put an indelible hex on him at the 1968 1500 final...convinced all the Americans to run slowly for 2 laps...poor Jim...ran into the stupidest man in New Jersey....and followed his advice!
Where did this happen????? What field
Is that usual for the race to be run in lane 5?
and people say that Ryun would win 1500m in Munich later that year... he would not make it out of heats... and he didn't...
Keep them waiting until they've completely cooled-down why not.
WHY ARE DAVE WOTTLE VIDS BEING REMOVED?
Scintillating pre-race commentary. “I think he will try to win today.”
3:52 in practice - maybe for a 1500.
He probably did 4 x 400 at :58 each. 😂😂😂
Wottle was a monster, his combination of strength and speed would have been ideal for the 400H.
Dave Wottle with his white golf cap..gommer Pyle wins mile...
What happened to Jim Ryun???
He went pro after 72 Olympics (the first to do that). Ended up going into state government but still gives running clinics. I went to one in the 90’s.
Ryun must not have been in race shape.
kissmyaass1 Wow, that must have been an amazing experience.
The crowd gave Ryan a hard time. So there were assholes around before social media.
it looked to me like Wottle didn't quite get there and was pipped by Howell
The camera is a long way in front of the line & "favours" the athlete on the far side
Anyone know where this race was run? Wasn't University of Pennsylvania, was it?
looks like Hayward field in Oregon. Hence the rain.
Looks like Penn to me, with those inside lane.
@skny Penn!
Except for a few legacy events, the mile has become an almost irrelevant distance.
I have a theory. Jim Ryan pushed too hard in training while in his teens, and then set world records. Because once he was past 20, he never ran as fast or faster. Ryan might have run raster world records, if he'd built up more slowly and aimed to peak in his early to mid 20s.
Know this is 2 years old but I definitely agree, especially seeing what his workouts were in high school, burnt out like crazy
Similar to weightlifting....you can't try to lift a PR every week or you will get stagnant and not improve
@@covewhisper7615 American= PR
British=PB
Where's Steve prefontain?
Pre was a 5,000 and 10,000 meter runner. He could do the mile, and very well at times.
He wasn't competitive with those guys in the mile. 2 miles plus and he would be hard to beat.
@@brettldouglas He surprisingly was. My dad (Wottle) raced him up in Oregon for a fund raiser meet in the mile and Pre came in second with I believe a top 10 fastest mile time in the world. Impressive for a 5k guy!
Some unbelievably shit running kits there.,..
Ryun was probably the most unlucky runner in usa history
Why do these broadcast cameras look like crap?.... and get rid of the overlays too.
4:14.2...Jim Ryun...really???
Marty announcing...ryun too tight...poor usa coaching!
Why is Jim Ryun in the title? Wasn't even a factor in the race...
Because in 1972 he was a legend and a leading contender for the Olympics.
رسائل فيفي الرقاصة سليم في السليم ١٢ دكر ٣٣ سم ٠٠ كل يوم ٢ والجمعة اورجي حفلة البان عيران
So in 1972 athletes were described by the colour of their skin. I thought that was way back in Berlin 1936.
@@addemup There was and is nothing racist about saying, "The first black man to..." It is still said when that's the case. When Lemaitre ran under 10 seconds in the hundred a couple of years back, they said, "The first white man to go under 10 seconds..." Nothing at all racist about it. Just a fact.
Oh please. Not everything is racist. Grow up.
Thats what happens when you run a 3.58 mile with a top class 800-M runner in the field. Ryun could have won easily in a faster race.
@Michael Rodriguez Exactly what Im saying. As an 800M runner Wottle had a better kick than Ryun in a slowish mile. Wottle couldnt have lived with Ryun in a fast race.
I'm not a fan of tactical racing, it's relatively slow going and then a mad dash at the end, and if you're blocked in, too bad. I discussed this with Glenn Cunningham and asked him why not (if you're the fastest guy there) just leave everyone behind? They can play tactics all they want - if they can't catch you, you're going to win. But he disagreed, and I'll never know why. I thought my reasoning was pretty good. Note: he did not bring up the issue of drafting, his point of view had nothing to do with drafting.
@@johnnysparkleface3096 I will always wonder why Coe did not blow everyone away in the 1980 800M. Maybe he thought Ovett might beat him in a fast 800.
@@LPCLASSICAL Coe was my favorite Brit miler.
@@johnnysparkleface3096 If it's windy good idea to draft, let someone else take the wind, if you're a kicker, wait and go by, they will have 2 things to worry about, you and the wind!
Jim best winning American runner, so smooth, Shame about his 2 Olympics
Tim Ferguson..... the politically correct race organizers let him in because his Dad claimed that he ran a 3:52 mile.
falcon tinker You can’t run
I think he ended up running around 4:40 here...
@@iandickenson7186 4:36 I think
Dave Wottle is the smartest runner in the group. The announcers talk too much with vacuous statements.
Wtf...ryun...totally wasted!