Save your Yamaha RX-V673 (but it might not be permanent)
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- This video will show you how to open the receiver and fix this problem temporarily. It also shows what chip is causing the problem. Its possible this will fix it permanently but it didi not work permanently for me. its worth a shot.
Same thing happening with my Yamaha RX-A830 Aventage. Sad since it's such a great receiver otherwise. Will be trying out this video as soon as I am able! Thank you
I also have the same model with the same problem. After seeing your video, I thought that it may be the connections of the legs of the chips do not have good weld at some points. I used a heat gun with a very small nozzle to reflow the welded joints of the legs. After that, I got sound right after turning on. It seems it is working properly now. I will post again if it fails later.
Today (10/29/21) the sound comes up with about 5 seconds delay. Will post again if it get worse again.
Today (11/2/2021) the delay is getting longer to about 15 seconds.
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@@abreoolhobrasil6560 Sorry, I forgot to update. Yes, the situation get worse with time. I then tried to reflow the whole chip. But after that, it could be turned on anymore. Most probably, I killed the chip.
I have the RX-V671 since new.. So far so good..
Hope it stays that way, hopefully they used a different chip in that model and it will never have the problem.
Hey Dan. I came up with the idea to add a heatsink after baking the DSP chip as well and you already tried it. But I have to say you did it wrong. I realized that right after you got the chip removed: the actual silicon soldered to the PCB which acts like a heatsink. So the extra heatsink actually should be attached to the bottom of the chip (yes, right to the PCB on the other side of the main board). I have HTR-7065 with the same looking main board and the same issue and I'm going to try it my way: 1. bake the DSP with a heat gun from the bottom of the chip. 2. attach small heatsink(aka memory heatsink, I have different sizes, so I'll try to use the biggest that can fit) to the PCB under the chip with thermal glue. At the same time I'm not sure when I'll do it, so can't commit to any specific date. But I'll post my results here sometime later. Thanks!
cool idea, it might just work, let us know what the results are even if it lasts a bit longer than my attempt, that's progress.
@@yourdiytechlife I did it! Will see how long it is going to last. In order to use it as much as possible I attached it to my computer workstation via HDMI and I'll use it as my primary sound source everyday for at least 8 hours. Also I switched it to "7ch stereo" mode in order to make sure the DSP is in use all the time ("cinemaDSP" logo is on the receiver's screen). 11/19/21 is the start date.
@@eugenedd ok , keep us updated and post up some pics of you have them.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/10ZjQKAbebBvn3yONPUXQFbC1KyyCQDIi
Works fine after 1 month, it could be just cold season is helping to keep it working.
Thanks for the vid. My Yamaha RX-V673 was cutting the audio on and off, heated the dts chip with a heat gun for 2 min. Seems to work for now, will report when/if it fails again
Edit: started to cut off again about 1 month later, repeated the process and it seems to be working again. Going to start looking for another receiver now, luckily the yamaha only cost me $15.
Excellent. Hopefully it works for a long time. 👍👍
Thanks for posting this vid. Have watched thru several times as I have the same unit and apparent problem. I'll leave some comments to help others as this seems like a good repository of info because of others interest here with similar problem. Also have to say I have zero electronics experience and just making educated guesses here.
I'd guess your board baking info was from another source. They must have had a digital readout to get the 390 deg. My old oven only indicates 25 deg. increments. 390 seems awfully precise, why not 400? and then rather than 15 minutes why not for 12.5 minutes? (LOL - just trying to be funny) Would vibrations while the board was cooling really cause problems? I remember when I was a kid my mother would take some swats at me if I ran thru the kitchen while she was baking as the vibrations might cause whatever it was to collapse. Maybe shaking the board a bit might cause the solder to flow into some of the voids if there were any (another possible funny - ha ha ha).
OK so the board was baked and later the chip torched which both seemed to help temporarily. But then it was thought the chip needed to be kept cooler so a heat sink was attached. Things seem to be going in opposite directions. From my own experience with my unit is that the chip (or something else) does seem to need to get warmed up a bit and then it works fine but volume does go on and off until unit does get up to temp.
Have also found out that playing a few seconds of DVD brings on the sound but is starting to take longer and longer to happen. Originally had intermittent sound problem watching ABC OTA TV channel and found TV antenna cable had come lose at connection to surge protector. So make sure cable connections are all tight. Don't know why it was only ABC that had problems though.
The little pops you hear may be your speaker cones smacking away as the voltage come on. Not a good thing for your speakers. I found using the Pure Direct sound option helps to eliminate the popping but has issues of it's own but not as damaging as the popping.
Well I guess that's long enough. Thought there were some other things to add but my old brain has moved along to other things and I'm drawing a blank. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the video! I've been searching for a solution for few days and think you've finally solved my problem, which means my Yamaha HTR-3066 receiver is probably dying by hardware due to that chip issue too. Everything on my receiver works good except my 'Cinema DSP' light will not lock 'on', as it will flash or blink for a while and then eventually warm-up to work. This started out as a few minutes a few weeks ago but keeps getting longer in time. It will work as long as I don't power it off, otherwise the 'Cinema DSP' waiting game begins again once it's powered-on. I think I'm going to just buy a new Sony this time as my older Sony 5.1 system still works good and I thought it actually had better sound quality for music anyway, but am planning to do a little research first.
Well that's a bummer,. HTRs are not the only devices out there that suffer the bad chips I have found. I have an iMac that has a similar issue with the video adapter however with that device I have been able to bake the chip and it's worked for up to a year and a half, so a very different experience there.
I opted for a receiver with Dolby Atmos but honestly I don't ever use it.
Happy hunting for a new one.
Ok by me fella
I said texas instruments don't make thoses chips anymore but wait yrs coming out with new chips
Their could be a big out cry for these yamaha that dont last..A large class action law suit...
I have a similar issue. Audio not working. If i wait for minutes, it comes to life and works if i keep it running. For about 1 week, now its not working/working intermittend. For now, i cannot see anything just looking into it. Thanks for the video. Seems like yamaha thought, they won't last long anyway, nowadays there is a lot more software updates, and napstar isn't a thing either.
Sorry to hear yours is failing. I wish there was a permanent fix for this but I have not found it if there is.
Thank you. Really appreciate it.
my 673 needs to warm up before it works, takes over 30min, after that it works flawlessly, when it warms up the speakers click and the speaker icon on the screen flashes and the audio cuts in and out. got it from my grandparents and the amp was in a non ventilated cabinet for 4+ years (when they used it). they tried to get it fixed and the repairman said the hdmi controller needed replacing even tho the hdmi ports work great. the warm up issue is really really annoying. if you want to listen to music you need to turn the amp on 30min beforehand...
and when it was in the cabinet it ran really hot
My 673 does the exact same thing. It needs to "warm up" and I'll see flashes on the screen of the speaker display and hear pops from the speakers. I'll keep turning it off and on once it does that and eventually it will work with no issues like a champ. As long as it doesn't get worse or longer wait time, I'll deal with it. I was thinking it was a capacitor since the issue resolves once, I believe, cap charges up. Don't know if I'll try to repair it or just roll with it for now
@@allenroy1638 it gets worse, now the amp wont stop clicking unless i heat the faulty DSP chip with a hairdryer
Why didn`t Yamaha use for example like a cpu socket on this DSP chips. Much more easy to replace them. And the contact would be much more stable! Got myself a Yamaha RX-A3040 receiver. Two identical DSP chips on that one. The known error is that the sound cuts out for a few seconds and the display of the speakers disappears from the screen of the receiver.
This only happens when running digital sound. Netflix etc. If you run analog sound, the problem disappears. I first sprayed the entirely digitalboard with Wd-40 spray. And used a toothbrush to clean the entirely digitalboard and chips. Then used a cloth on the chips. Then a hairdryer for 2 minutes on the DSP chips. Let it cool down for 10 minutes. Then I put Honeywell PTM7950 Super Highly Thermally Conductive Pad on the chips. Problem solved. No more sound cuts.
Money money money. Every little piece of hardware used inside hits there bottom line and doesn’t help sell the product so your left with problems that are hard to fix. Shops just swap the boards and chuck em if they fix them at all.
@@yourdiytechlifeexatamente. Obsolescência programada para giro de dinheiro.
Man, i have the same problem. ARC worked only after on/off and changing channel a few times and now it doesn't work at all. Firmare in the menu is blank and when I update via USB it does it's thing for some 15 minutes or so and then i get the error 0010 -.- I am a bit hesitant to take the board out since i might damage something. You think it could work to use a heat gun on the board instead? And if so, are there specific spots I should apply the heat to?
You can absolutely try a heat gun. And based on what I did that probably the best route really. I ended up having to just replace the thing but heating the chip did help. Hope you have better luck
@@yourdiytechlife i will give it a shot. If that doesn't help i will get something else from another brand. Really a shame because the thing has a lot of good features, especially for the price. But the hassle with the ARC and so on renders my whole 7.1 system useless basically.
@@yourdiytechlife ok so i opend up the thing and blasted the DPS chip with my heat gun untill it was very hot, i could not measure the temp, but it was too hot to touch. But that did not change anything. However just to make sure i tried everything, i tried updating it again by usb. And this time the update went through sucvessfully which was a surprise. Then after one or two restarts of the receiver and tv it started to work again! Just like that... now the question is how long it will hold up but we'll see.
@@noiztrauma that’s great news !! Hopefully it holds but let us know either way.
@@yourdiytechlife will do if I keep it. I am playing with the thought of getting something else. Then again i haven't found anything in the same region of price and features. Plus it seems as pretty much every single brand had their own issues with dsp or acr and so on.
My issue started after attaching an old Google Chrome device to my LG OLED which was attached to my RX-V673 via ARC. Replaced the receiver today with a new DENON (since the Yamaha is now 13 years old) and everything worked fine. Then the sound cut out again and speakers started to squeal and pop only when Google Chrome was being used. Not sure what happened. I removed the Google Chrome device and both the Yamaha and it are going in the electronic waste. Not sure if this is a coincidence but maybe it actually damages the receiver.
Yeah, unfortunately I had to replace mine as well, I never found a way to keep it going for longer than a day. I would expect that it was purely coincidence that it died when it did but why take chances. I replaced it with an Onkyo RZ820 series that does atmos. I’ve been very happy with I so far.
I have the same problem with my rx-a820.
I am thinking of repairing it.
The ironical thing is that my last Yamaha rx-v800 before this one still works and is 19 years old
Unfortunately for Yamaha they used these same or similar chips it would seem, in many of it's products. I don't think it's really an issue with how Yamaha builds things so I have heard many times that the older gear works great, it just seems to be this era of product that has the bad chips.
@@yourdiytechlife is it worth repairing it
@@shadyninja1 that depends on a few things, I replaced mine because I really wanted to get in to Dolby Atmos. While baking the board works for a while it always failed after a while. If you get a board swap of some sort for a decent price then it might be worth fixing but you might find a new one for a bit more so in that case I would just replace it. Keep in mind if you swap the board with a new one, there is a good chance that they use the same model of chip that failed in the first place so that's the other issue you need to consider if you fix it.
@@yourdiytechlife yes all is true
100% the problem is the DTS/DSP chip. Very common issue with these. Flux should take of the problem. Or turn on Pure Direct, which bypasses the DSP chip and you'll hear sound again.
Same issue with my Rx_a2010. However in pure direct I still have no sound. Any 8deas appreciated
What receiver did you decide to go with i am currently having this issue and am looking to get a new one as well, I am doing research on the different kinds and which works best for my setup but I’m still curious which one you chose
I ended up going with my first Onkyo. I went with an open box TX-RZ820 with Atmos. So far I have been very happy with it's sound quality and power output. I would say it sounds a bit better over all but that's very subjective. The setup was definitely better with this unit and you have more crossover options so it makes blending the sub easier. The RZ820 is one generation older and only has 7.1 but it has nice multi zone options and pre outs.
Dan Dunham my tv guy was saying it may be the hdmi and suggested looking into getting a hdmi extender so if that doesn’t work it’s definitely time for a new receiver i saw onkyo on the top of a few lists and was considered it myself as well, thank you
They all go bad at some point
If this chip is cause, why you didn't buy a new one, in e-bay I can see it costs around 22-50$?
I decided against repairing it for a few reasons. 1- at the time the cheapest I could find the chip was $50. 2- From what I could tell this problem was wide spread with all of these chips manufactured so the problem would most likely com back 3- I dont have the proper tools to properly remove and replace the chip so there was a high probability that I would not have a successful repair. 4- the chip does not support Dolby Atmos and that is something I decided to setup in my theater. for those reasons I decided to purchase a new receiver, however I am in the process of bypasing all the digital audio processing and converting it to an amplifier only. I will use it in some other rooms of the house for a whole house audio system.
Hello Dan, I have the same problem here in Phoenix , checked the net and run into you're post.
My unit I got in a yard sale , and it worked for about year for me and started the poping sound
would take several minutes to come on , then it would"nt out put audio at all.
I found your post on the net and applied heat to that chip and it came up running in 30 seconds
I was using a hair dryer here for the heat, as long as I keep the heat on it would play audio
but after removing the dryer only played for several minutes and stop again .
Its a shame that Yamaha puts out stuff like this , would be interested in you did to convert
just to amp, I put mine back on shelve for now , keep for parts later . Robert in Arizona
Texas instruments don't make those chips any more
@@kennethfriedberg2358 they have the revision D of this dts chip. I got one on eBay for 22 and 50 for electric replace it. Working 100% on pioneer 1021-k
u dont know what your getting
Firmware update is prolly from the replaced capacitor.
I have the same problem in rxa 830. Replace the dts chip with a new one and only sound comes out by pure direct mode. Before the audio was cut but after heating the equipment worked fine. Now only in pure direct mode. Any suggestions?
G-CH it kind of sounds like it’s bypassing the dsp somehow. Have you tried to update the firmaware. You might try that.
U didn't set it right
The same shit on my rx-v475 european model, working just on pure direct an just a lot of humm nois coming out on whatever else mode... What a damn Yamaha
First update the firmware. But if it does not still work, then u made a mistake..
May be one or some of the legs did not properly soldered to the board.
Or there is a short somewhere among the legs after u soldered which u can't see.
Or u bought a fake chip.
How does one replace the capacitor? I am where you were with my unit and will be attempting the baking, possibly heat gun. Is a special tool needed?
To remove the capacitor you will need a soldering iron. If you use a heatgun method then you'll just need a heatgun to focus on the chip.
@@yourdiytechlife still watching dan
I got a RX-A830 with no sound.. Speaker-icons shows on the OSD, but no sound.. Tried heating up the DSP-chip, but still no sound.. Test-tone or pure-direct doesnt work either. Very weird.
Thats eventually what happened to mine. It simply failed all together and at the time the cost of a new chip was not worth it so I ended up replacing the receiver all together. I have been using it for parts to fix other receivers so it wasn't a total loss.
Hi Sr what is coming trouble of Yamaha amp model avr s80. sound problem?
I don't know what chip set they used in that model so it might be fine. and keep in mind that not all of the model I had failed.
Dan, I am trying to find a video to show me how to test a stand bye board for the yamaha"s recievers
I'm not sure what you mean bye stand by board. Do you mean a board to replace the one with the bad chip or is there another board that has problems in these receivers.
The standby power board
ok forget the stand by board for now I have a v385 model that does not turn on looking and checking i found a short at ground that gives me 28volts i touch the fins on the heat sing and got a little shock
Sir I see this video and I use Yamaha rxv665 avr and my avr display in suddenly decoder mode off but last time same issue display but automatically start speaker icon and on but today is a same problem see plz what is solution plz send me
I wish I had a good answer for you on this problem but I don’t know the exact solution.
The first thing I would do is unplug the receiver for 5 to 10 minutes and see if it then resets. You can also try and reset it to factory default from the menu system. If you can do a firmware upgrade from the menu I would do that as well.
@@yourdiytechlife i have try reset all but same issue not solved
Isn't there any replacement chips
There are but they were expensive at the time I did this and I decided not to gamble on it.
@@yourdiytechlife yeah i don't think it's worth it i just scrap this thing
Idk if Texas improved the ic but it will probably fail in 5-10 years again
What did you go for as a replacement?
Hey Matthew,. I went for the Onkyo tx-rz820. With Atmos. Got a great deal on it and I have been happy with it so far. Definitely a step up but frankly I wish the Yamaha had been permanently reparable for a reasonable cost.
@@yourdiytechlife
You are going to regret that decision in very short order. I got suckered into making a switch from Yamaha to an Onkyo and it was a HUGE mistake. Onkyo makes total garbage. Never again. I'm a Yamaha guy for life now.
@@NunYa953 to be honest I am about to drop the entire receiver based home theater. High end sound bars are good enough and I want to start focusing on a real 2 channel setup. It's probably the last receiver I will ever have.
@@yourdiytechlife
I think you'll regret that decision too but totally understand why you'd want to try it. They are super simple to setup and use, the sound quality has improved exponentially as well. But in my experience, there is no replacement for a true home theater receiver. And when you get a quality one, the setup is a moot point because you only have to do it once. I've actually never purchased a brand new Yamaha receiver. Only used and I've never had a problem that wasn't a simple fix.
@@NunYa953 hears the thing, I used to like watching movies in my theater but I just don't do that anymore. I find watching on my Mac with a great set of headphones FAR more entertaining than a theater. I found a great little program called boom that does a decent job of three dimensional space replication based on dolby. The other thing is that I prefer Netflix shows over most movies so that works well with a PC. The intire home theatre thing has really played out for me so it's on to other things.
Hey dan those chips only lasted 2200hours of on time
Are you saying that was the designed limit for those chips?
@@yourdiytechlife yes
@@kennethfriedberg2358 that's interesting, did you see that in a spec sheet some place?
@@yourdiytechlife No another tech
make sence through
Rx-v367soundproblam
Board "baking" is not a fix for anything. It's not gonna work. Never. This DSP chip will fail again.
I have RX-V673 with Taxas Instruments D80YK113CPTP400 failure. I heated DSP chip with hair dryer and DSP started to functioning then little squirt cold spray and sound is gone.
“Description of Withdrawal/Discontinuance:
The affected products listed below will be discontinued.
Reason for Withdrawal/Discontinuance:
Premature aging issue on the Rev B and C of this part family”
Source: media.digikey.com/PDF/PCNs/Texas%20Instruments/PCN20121114000_Obs.pdf
Agreed, with this chip it does not seem to be affective, the best I got was a month or so out of it after baking. After heating it several times I would only get a day or two. With that said it did give me time to do some good research on what I wanted to replace it with so I found value in that. By and large baking a chip is a temporary fix but there is value in it as long as the people doing it know this. For example I have baked the GPU in my imac and it holds up solid for 3 to 4 months at a time. It's an easy process after the first time you do it so it works for me as a diy type person.
Yamaha is garbage now : (
Onkyo, pioneer, denon and Yamaha having same issues with Texas Instruments chips
The problem is not yamaha company, It is the chip supplier "Texas Instruments".
They messed up a lot of products who used their chips (Onkyo, pioneer).
Avoid receivers with TI dsp. Buy Marantz amplifier, they use SHARC Processors from Analog Devices. That one is bullet proof.