Our mother Jen who art in Missouri, hallowed be thy name, thy notifications come, thy will be done on TH-cam as it is on Patreon. Give us this day our daily YAAAASSSS, forgive us our tweets as we forgive those who retweet us, and lead us not into demonetization but deliver us from fundamentalism, for thine is my favorite channel on TH-cam, amen
"The people in the Holocaust got starved real skinny, and they survived it!" NO, GWEN, most of those people rather famously did NOT survive afterwards because of the damage that starvation had done to their bodies! Oh well, I shouldn't be too mad that Gwen never heard of refeeding syndrome, it's not like she purported to be a professional nutritionist or anything
They also didn't survive the starvation itself. They were killed by starvation. Actually killed by it. Not after or long term only, but just by starvation.
BAHAHAHA I came home from that Walmart trip and told my husband, "Babe! I met a TH-camr I watch and totally fangirled! I think I scared her..." lol Now every time I mention your channel I start with, "The TH-camr I met at Walmart, remember?" He's like, "Yesss, I remember." 😂 Thank you so much for the shout out!
Loved your video. And, yes, apparently I do live under a rock. I'd never heard of her or _Remnant_ _Fellowship_ before your video came up in my feed. I actually lived very close to there when they died.
The wigs were part of her ministry! Thin and brittle hair on the church leader might cause people to question whether it's teachings really make healthy. And surely the opposite was true too, right?
@@auntiem0thman yeah a wig or some sort of extensions and something to fill out the beehive. I've seen people with long healthy hair recreate historical hairstyles that pile the hair up high and they almost always require hair rats at least to support and give volume.
I wondered where this came from! People have been saying this over and over on twitter on any post that is about body acceptance and I was like, where are these assholes coming from? Why are they saying this?
See, I personally don't need the trigger warnings because I haven't had those sorts of experiences (for which I'm humbly grateful, not bragging or something), but when I see "Holocaust references" in this context I'm like "WHAT???" Then I find out why that is, and...
James in the comments SENT ME: "It's not a wig. It's a sentient organism that is symbiotic with Gwen. It may be Eldritch in nature and you should not approach it with sudden movements."
That's the problem with being small & thin....as a larger person I at least know I can stand my ground and my body is a potential weapon. I TAKE UP SPACE.
Now I've heard of helmet hair, but I've never seen a helmet of hair until now. I like to think she kept the secrets of the universe under that hair. I "love" that there's a clear evolution of her hair getting worse over time. She's like one of those villains who just keep going through new forms.
My theory about the hair is that Gwen started making her hair bigger and bigger and bigger to make her body look smaller in comparison. That is a thing to a degree with hair styling, where you can add a bit of volume to your hair to "slim down" your face to a degree, but Gwen takes it to the extreme.
I know Gwen died in a plane crash but I've heard reliable rumours that her hair survived and went on to have its own successful fundie show called "The holy ministry of the lacquered bouffant."
My sister got starved as a kid because my family followed this lady’s books for a while. Her death made me so happy, truly one of my favourite miracles.
@@lubabe9969 She’s not the only kid I know it happened to, either. Shamblin said to starve until you know what’s “real” hunger and a bunch of other nightmare shit for a 12 year old. Evangelical charismatic Christianity is nothing but a child abusing sex death cult, and I’ll never change my mind on that.
I think it’s worth mentioning that a lot of holocaust “survivors” died shortly after being liberated from concentration camps. The people who actually survived had to be rehabilitated.
Yh when she was Like "and they Survived!" Like the Camp prisoners Just got Up and skipped through the Gates upon liberation, I was Like... I guess you havent Seen the footage that i watched in school. Or read the testimonies. Or the memoirs. Or a History book.
Yeah thousands died from refeeding syndrome as someone who is so malnourished needs to be re-fed carefully with medical supervision making sure that their electrolytes are balanced to prevent a heart attack.
@@rosiejl2798you can also rupture your stomach and die. This happens to people who suffer PWS if their access to food isn't strictly controlled. They will literally eat themselves to death in hours if given the opportunity.
And, like, just cause the human body *can* survive something doesn't mean it's a good idea! People have survived being mauled by bears or being shot in the head, doesn't mean those are good health strategies.
Honestly, you’re right about Michael Shamblin being impressive. Years of making music in a public forum, a whole discography, and yet not one song where his singing or “flow” stays in time
Honestly sounds just like when I was a kid just singing random crap to pretend I was a celebrity singer. I had the same lyrical genius as him at age 5 😂
8 years into ED recovery. watched this video while eating a bowl of pasta just to spite gwen shamblin. thanks, jen, for another absolute banger of a video! edit: the recovery-positivity (and general snack-positivity) of the jennonite community absolutely warms my heart. i can't help but grin while reading these comments :)
I was literally eating a bowl of pasta and chicken with more cheese than necessary (I mean, if that's a thing) like "fuck you Gwen". I absorbed so many toxic diet ideas from people like her.
honestly a pretty healing video as someone in ed recovery. gwen sounds like my ed brain and it’s so nice to hear jen bringing logic into the picture. time to go find a yummy snack
Same. I feel like I could just start picturing my intrusive food/body image thoughts as coming from her & her sentient wig & it would make them much easier to ignore.
"If she didn't hate herself, I don't think Weigh Down Workshop would ever exist." YES. You're the first person I've seen mention this in analysis of Gwen Shamblin's whole mess. I read the first book last year and to me, a person in BED recovery, the self-hate in that book is clear as a bell. I think it explains her whole schtick with eating and later with the church. Remnant is a physical representation of Gwen's own self-talk and psyche.
I mean the hair says a lot on its own. And the IBLP is obviously her inspiration. Infamously misogynist and abusive. Self hatred and psychopathy intertwined. Nasty.
Her church has a very lengthy response to the critics stating that none of this is true. Unfortunately The lifetime bio and HBO documentary of her may have all been sensational bs
@riseagain9677 Have you read the book and seen any examples of self hate? If so, please state some of the statements making it sound as such. Thank you.
The fact that Gwen died is like, very sad. Despite her being really devoid of true empathy. Rest in the skinniest of heavens Gwen. Still kind of a meme that she died in a flaming ball of horror while en route to a Trump convention in an airplane piloted by Tarzan.
That was a bizarre coincidence, wasn't it? That is, I do think it was coincidence, not the hand of God, but it's uncanny how much she set herself up for that punchline. Live a life of that much hypocrisy, and it's not going to look good in the long term, no matter what. Just very glad that Lara's daughter wasn't on that plane.
To all those struggling: You don’t need a reason to eat. it’s not a reward it’s a necessity. It is perfectly normal to enjoy eating! It makes your body happy and know that your body wants to take care of you. It has nothing against you. Take care of it. it is the only one you got. Much love.
The problem with US is that people don’t know how to eat an european (southern) we are appalled with what people eat there. That culture has to change to proper nutrition and gastronomy
And on top of that gluttony is sort of normalized there and even sexualized. What this woman did was appalling and criminal but that doesn’t invalidate US has real issue with food!
@@rosesavoy9035 I was a farmer (in the US) and lived in Scandinavia a while. Obesity rates were lower because of habits and attitudes. Europeans are far more active, smoke less and avoid "grazing". Sodas are rare. Portion size is smaller. In the US fewer and fewer are cooking (espec women) but our wealth allows the "poor" to gorge 24/7 on fast food which is ubiquitous. Our meals are rushed and in front of a screen. Obesity has far more to do with how we live than what we eat.
Getting high eating Mac and Cheese in my robe and fake pearls as I raise a glass of vodka to Gwen…. Rest in hairspray, hell and toxic diet culture honey
Okay at 1:23:48 I am to goddamn high to look away how dare u do this to me Jen! He looks like the white Safeway angel cake version of Morpheus or what I think pit bull would look like if he found the manosphere and podcast instead of rap at a young age. Anyway hope y’all r having a great evening and my mac and cheese is just as amazing as this video
It is deeply funny that heretic is the worst thing you can call someone to Christians, but that is literally how I talked a girl I went to college with out of doing the diet. All the psych stuff didn't do it, all the obvious guilt tripping didn't do it. No, I had to tell her Gwen was anti-Trinitarian.
Seriously lmao. I went to his Creating Stars song (or whatever it's called) on TH-cam. The comment section is just embarrassing. Obvious all Remnant members falling on themselves to praise Dead Leader's son.
She gave me an eating disorder and made me hate myself. Taken alot of healing to get better. Hard subject matter but I trust you to present this video so people can know how destructive this woman was.
Me too. Not the first time I've had a 5/6 flusher before giving up the ghost and getting big bucket. I'm on meds that kill my appetite and that's no picnic, no pun intended. I'm constantly fatigued and work a 40 to 50 hour a week job that is both mentally and physically demanding. Kid beating POS, dead or not. I'm no hypocrite, if I think you're a c*nt when you're alive, my opinion isn't changing because you bit it.
My mom has suffered from eating disorders her whole life and i remember that she used to go to Gwen Shamblyn events and read her books. what a destructive legacy
as a jew i would like to say that we don't believe in hell but if we did i think she would go there for talking about the holocaust in the ugly way she did
That vile woman deserves nothing but Ls, absolutely do not allow cult lady to get what she wants! More importantly, I hope you never again feel like punishing yourself.... The world does it to us often enough, we don't need to do it to ourselves, right?
As someone raised in an all-Catholic town and who had a mother who thought Jews were exotic, I can attest that sadly, Gwen is not unique in her attitude about the Holocaust, *however*, it's one thing to be raised to think one understands the Holocaust, then be educated about it as an adult and realize that you were not informed at all. Those people, including myself, all then say, "I had no idea. I was wrong, I thought my religion told me accurately what happened, but they didn't." I was shocked by how she doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on her statements. All she had to do was say, "That was an ignorant comparison, I was uninformed and am sorry." Then again, she wouldn't be the subject of a doc, etc., if she had that sensitivity, intelligence and compassion. I think many, many white Protestants and Catholics were raised in churches that didn't emphasize that it was a genocide (or that physically and mentally disabled people and homosexuals were also targeted) and we only learned after we became adults what really occurred. I am unsure as to why that is the case, but at least for Boomers and Gen X, I think that may have been the norm?
And also, her citing nutrition books justifies nothing. Textbooks use vaguely uncomfortable examples (and some outright uncomfortable ones) a lot more often than you would think. And by uncomfortable, I don't mean "discussing harsh truths". I mean examples in the same general category as that Holocaust one. One such textbook example I recall off the top of my head is an anthropology textbook using literal confirmation bias as a means of defending cultural relativism (when a better example would be, for instance, the prevalence of sexual references in storylines in anime, which comes from Japan, which has an exceptionally high prevalence of sexually oriented crimes, which means that while yes, you have your Ghibli folks and all that, you also have the ones telling stories geared towards adults which are, even in some of the better tellings, going to refer to sexual stuff in places where Western storytellers might use a different plot device because sexual crimes are less prevalent where we are).
I joined weighdown workshop when I was 12. My best friends mom hosted a satellite program in the late 90s. I asked to join, and it was allowed. I even was given a "scholarship" so I could go for free. Thanks Jen for digging so deep into this. It's really helped with my deconstruction. I apprecciate you
@@mellie4174 There's alot of things I went through as a child/teenager that can be seen that way. My mom was doing the best she could. Unfortunately, fundamental Christianity played a big role in that. It's been a hell of a journey unpacking and deconstruction. Yes, alot of it could be classified and child abuse. But none of it was intentional. She was doing the best she could.
my sister shares her first name & has struggled with her body image for the majority of her life. Watching this makes me so sad, especially as a Jewish person. I'm so proud of my sister for creating a better relationship with her body. food is morally neutral!
I went to her workshop with my aunt and nana 3 times! It was awful! I was a teenager, and I weighed 120 pounds, and was being told that I could be doing so much better, because I was eating all of the time! It was so toxic and fucked up! “Will you just answer a literal yes or no question?” Gwen: “I have run around the question 13 times without answering. What more do you want from me?”
When I was 15 years old, 5'9", and weighed 125 pounds, my mother was always telling me I would be so pretty if I lost 5 pounds. I was already underweight!
That "hand full of almonds mom" description snapped my attention like I have not experienced in quite some time. Perfect, sadly. Honestly, I probably should have listened to the warning, because this is eerily similar to my own childhood. I can easily tell my mother followed this woman at one point.
I never comment but I had to on this. You unlocked a suppressed memory that actually caused me to connect a lot of dots as to my body dysmorphia. My mother was heavily involved in Weigh Down Workshop and made me attend the meetings with her every week + made me listen to the tapes whenever we were in the car and abide by the stupid guidelines. To this day, I’ll occasionally go “your not really hungry” even if my stomach is loudly growling. Time to go yell at my mom I guess.
OMG! I recall attending a "talk" some lady made at my husband's church. Her first bit of advice is to only eat when you're truly hungry, based off stomach growling.
@@dewilew2137 I mean... it's really the definition of "truly hungry" that's key here. Like yeah it's common to give the advice to not mindlessly eat out of boredom, but you can know you're hungry without your stomach actually growling and that's not false hunger
I found a copy of her marriage license to Shamblin. Full name was Gwendolyn Kay Henley. Married in 1978 when she was 22 years old. Can forward a screenshot if you like. The church you mentioned, Bellevue Baptist, is a megachurch with a lot of scandal behind it. I’m a native Memphis resident so I know what’s up. Happy to provide info if you want. 😊
I actually feel sorry for Michael more than a lot of the other people. He legit looks miserable in any of the videos. He doesn't look like he's smiled ONCE in his life. Gwen absolutely made this dude's life rough
Someone tell Gwen that if one is eating 2/3 fewer calories, based off the 2000 calorie diet, the number of calories they’d be consuming is around… 666 Can’t tell her THAT though, why? Because she’s dead
Literally the ONLY time I've ever praised my child for NOT eating was when my five year old got into his entire bag of Halloween candy after I crashed at 8pm, too exhausted after trick or treating with him, and he only ate THREE pieces. He explained to me the next morning when I found the bag on the floor and the wrappers- "I didn't want to give myself a tummy ache and I didn't want to wake you up to ask how much I could have because you seemed really tired mommy" I told him that he had made a reasonable and responsible healthy decision (not to pig out on too much candy), and that it was very mature of him- but I absolutely wouldn't have been angry OR blamed him had he eaten half the dang bag and made himself sick. Encouraging your child to starve themselves is CHILD ABUSE and these people in this cult do NOT deserve to be having and raising children.
I was always prone to eating disorders. My church participated in Gwen Shamblin's Weigh Down Workshop. I spiraled down into a severe version of the disorder - an was forced to seek help. more than 20 years later - I'm still healing - or trying to. I had nightmares all last night - inclusive of that music she had with each of her tapes. It took me until 3 pm to realize I wasn't enslaved to the ED anymore - the dream was so realistic I woke up in the midst of a relapse in the making - with anxiety sky high. (I did not slip, relapse and I am now back on track). Gwen's teaching is seriously demented - in so many ways ...
When I was like 6 or 7 I was "grounded" for a week. My father took everything out of my room except my bible. I had no idea that's where this idea came from. I am horrified.
The better way to "memorialize" this kind of hateful monster, is to be HAPPY with yourself. Not just to eat... But to eat and to truly love yourself. Because she could never do that, and she encouraged others to hate themselves and their lives.
Gwen Shamblin Lara is a severe case of a person being in denial about having a mental health issue (an unhealthy relationship with food, in this case) and making it everyone else's problem
her instant turnaround in opinion on divorce is CLASSIC conservative christian logic. "unbendable moral laws for thee, but flexibility for me! empathy is only necessary if something is happening to me directly. if it's someone else, i don't care!"
As an ED survivor, Im simultaneously furious but also pitious of her. After my recovery whenever I speak about my experience to people who comment the misguided: "Oh i could never be anorexic, i dony have ebough self control" I always reply "it didnt take self control to starve myself, it took self hatred." Always seemed to sober them up a little. Her book "tips" are a spitting image of those pro-ana corners of the internet Id frequent when I was in the depths of my ED. And her comments about the Holocaust are just unforgivable with her zero recognition of harm/apologies. Reminded me of how after large holiday meals my mom always used to say things like "now what we all need is a forced march" or "after that were all gonna need to go on the ghandi diet" No wonder i developed a fucked up relationship with food.
Joe lawn-darted her into the lake at an 80° angle. Aviation experts are of the opinion is was NOT loss of control. The throttle positions? Surprise! - jammed forward.
I lived near Remnant Fellowship for most of my life (moved a little further out 3 years ago because money) and in 2017 I went to one of their church services because I had been so curious for years after hearing so much about them. Everything that I had heard was true. It was the most eerie place I think I've ever been to. It wasn't a fully white church, which is abnormal for the area. But everyone was skinny and conventionally beautiful. The "sermon" was absolutely nonsensical. Gwen would cite some random Bible verse that everyone already knows and ramble on about some generic life lesson that anyone could have made, and the congregation ate it up. But this is what has always stuck with me: they LOVED me. I was swarmed, multiple people asked for my phone number (I gave a fake number), asked me to come to this or that event, begged me to come to the next service and join the church. At the time I was in the depths of anorexia. I was severely, visibly underweight. My family and friends were all very worried about my health. I'm so, so glad that I went just as a matter of curiosity and didn't get sucked into it. That crap is just straight up dangerous. I sent some pretty dark puns to my friends and family when she died.
They love bombed you, eh? In your underweight, unhealthy condition they probably thought you were perfection. 🤨 it's so good that you were strong enough to resist their attempts to pull you in!
that's called love bombing. You were the perfect victim for their cult and they were preying upon your vulnerabilities to get you to join their ranks. Take heed everyone.
Yup classic cult tactic of love bombing a prospective member. It is espeically effective on people who are socially isolated and struggling in life. I am so glad that you gave them a fake number and got out given how badly they enable and encorage eating disorders are so so dangerous and terrible for recovery.
I also grew up close by, and while I never got curious enough to go to Remnant, I did have Very similar love bombing experiences at other local churches that I did experiments like this in. As someone who also developed an eating disorder in this hyper homogenous hyper aesthetic obsessed community, I can only imagine how attending one of her services would have reinforced those toxic internalizations. Hella solidarity and an "I survived Williamson county" hug coming your way
Thank you so much for your really thorough trigger warnings. People often forget to issue trigger warnings in particular for EDs. It's a little thing that makes my life just a bit better. Again, thank you.
I'm fascinated by Gwen's styling choices & what it means psychologically. What was going on in her mind as she did her hair near the end? I'm so perplexed by it
@@pinkdollangel yeah it’s like every part of her look is strategically BIG seemingly in efforts to distract from her body…which I’m sure she’s insecure of
I was just going to say that too! It’s full on ED culture from tumblr, I’m waiting for her to give out weird smoothie recipes and like calorie count meals
before tumblr, there was pro ana livejournal (what i was on) and before the internet, they wrote pro diet book clubs and social clubs. this is has been incessant. i pray we continue deconstructing this violence towards ourselves 💕
Agreed. I knew them and babysat their kids. I can tell you he had ADHD and always jumping and running. So some bruising was caused by this. However, that being said, I do think they beat him.
Not to be a jackass by replying to a comment over a year old, but I imagine it's possible for eczema to be fatal if it gets infected. Even then, I had eczema that got infected once as a young kid, and it was easily treated with antibiotics in a short space of time, so unless it goes untreated or is a specifically nasty infection, the chances of someone dying to an eczema infection are infinitesimally small. They for sure killed that poor child.
@@flippanties that’s what I’m thinking, like eczema could get infected but it would be the medical neglect that was fatal. Which might happen if you leave your kid in an empty room with a bible for four days.
How can someone have a master's degree in diet and nutrition and still promote such harmful ideas? How can someone say they had a *battle* with a *baby* and not question the life choices that led them to that point? How did her hair get closer to 1980s hair styling, the further we got from that decade? How... just how. I'm so puzzled over what prompts people to follow folks like Gwen. That being said, thank you for putting so much effort and time into this video. ♥
@@Skag_Sisyphus oh, absolutely! I guarantee most of it is fake, and for that reason. You can see the hair issues in her daughter too. It's so thin and limp.
They used the song from Shrek in the engagement video and when Joe popped the question, Gwen responded with “In every language, I say yes,” which is very similar to “In every language, oui, si, ja, yes…” which is what Gabriella said when Troy asked her to prom in HSM3…
"Our God is an awesome God, he reigns." Took me back to my childhood for a second. Wednesday night hand checks for the youth group kids in the church van. Pastor Peggy's hate for cats caused us to go on some wild rides in that van.
Imagine if hell exists and she's there. Her punishment is to eat high calorie foods all day and have no access to hairspray. Her ultimate curse is searching for a backcomb for the hair structure on her head and never finding one.
I thought of that episode of the Simpsons where Homer went to hell and the demons were flabbergasted because Homer was happily eating all the doughnuts in the doughnut eating torture machine. "James Coco went mad i minutes!" I imagine Gwen having to eat doughnuts. With flat hair. I hope she repented.
I woke up this fine Saturday morning not feeling hungry yet. I put this episode in my earphones and went for a small, cozy walk in the autumn rain to get my body awake. On my way back I popped in the store to get some juice and then in my local bakery and bought a big, super delicious cinnamon roll for my breakfast dessert. I came home and made a nice breakfast: coffee, juice, cheese sandwich with veggies and the cinnamon roll. All the while listening to / watching this great episode. So, in conclusion, FUCK GWEN SHAMBLINS BELIEFS. You deserve food, unconditionally. There is room for joy on your plate.
i hate how many absolutely belly-laugh funny moments there are in this, but honestly, congrats on bringing some levity to this mess. her attorney bodily picking her up and taking her into another room because she just can't. stop. talking. about. the holocaust! is easily one of the silliest things i've ever seen but GAWD, jen, the voice. the gwen voice. it's SUPERB and superbly funny.
I have previously had a ED and studied psychology and pretty much every "strategy" and "rule" she suggests in her program is literally text book eating disorder/disordered eating thoughts and behaviours including concealing it from others. While you can not "catch" a eating disorder; dieting, consuming information with harmful ideas around food and body image, learning about ways to conceal disordered eating etc. are certainly risk factors that could easily trigger or worsen disordered eating to the point of a eating disorder of someone who has genetic and psychosocial factors e.g. trauma, personality type, comorbities etc that are a hightened risk of a ED.,
I’m an ED survivor, and that’s exactly what I thought. It also reminded me of Tabitha Farrars writing about early accounts of annorexia nervosa, where deeply religious people developed an obsession with fasting and ended up with strikingly similar thought and behavior patterns to how we understand EDs today
There's definitely an epidemic of eating disorders but it's OVER eating that's the problem. Just look around. You can't exactly say that America is too skinny.
I was dying whenever you did the accent. But dear Lord I think this woman was someone my mom used to follow in the 90s and 00s. No wonder she had so many eating issues.
This lady would hate my parenting style, I have fruits, granola bars, veggies, cheese, and more just sitting out within reach of my children so they can eat whenever tf they want.
Best hack my mum Had to make us eat vegetables: Cut up some peppers and carrots into Sticks and Just leave them within reach. Grabbing it was easier than asking my mum for other snacks, so we went for it. We ended up being the only 5 year olds in my Family who would eat raw vegetables without a fight and i didnt even realize until i was Like... 10
Her musical son is like: When I was a Christian, my mother took me into the chapel, to see a Christian band. She said, "Son, when you grow up Would you be the prophet of the broken. The overweight and the LGBTQ+?" She said, "Will you defeat them? Your demons, and all the non-believers. The diets that they have made?" "Because one day, I'll leave you a phantom. To lead you in the rapture. To join the rapture parade"
I feel compassion for him because he was raised in a toxic cult his mother the leader so he drank the cool aid. After her death he left and divorced his wife. His life seems to have fallen apart. I'm sure while he was there he thought he was helping and is now just a man struggling and needs to recover his life and the loss of his mother. Even if she was a bad person that's still your mom. The daughter looks very sick.
It brings me joy to hear you talk about how proud you are of your work. You should be - your videos are so well done and you’re a delight to listen to. :)
I found a weigh down workbook at Goodwill in Franklin, TN, partially worked through. The woman journaled something like "god intervened/gave a sign by making my chips drop on the floor." heartbreaking
Always interesting (and sad) to find toxic fundie materials in the wild. Did you buy it? I try to take the really terrible books off the secondhand market if it doesn't fund any awful causes. Also I get such a sinking feeling when people attribute coincidences to God. Last time it was a guy claiming the Holy Spirit intervened by making a cross-shaped mess during his last drug use. Matt Dillahunty of the Atheist Experience had the most incredulous expression the whole time. 🤦♂️ We like to see patterns and intention in stuff, sure. It surely helped us survive at some point in our evolution. But God doesn't meddle in affairs of chip bags!
Omg that unlocked a memory. My family was really into this and if I ever dropped food she would say “that’s your way of escape!“. It was a known thing in that church that dropping food was a sign from God 😕 so toxic!!
I think the most dangerous part of the Weigh Down workshop is that there is genuinely good advice peppered in to a whole lot of bs. Little kids shouldn’t be having tons of sugary drinks and snacks instead of meals. But teaching them to ignore hunger cues and purposely starving yourself/your kids and the whole holocaust comparison just shoots this whole thing into the stratosphere.
Yes and there was a small part of her feeding advice about infants that was correct. Breastfeeding on demand is generally recommended over formula is possible. It’s so hard to tell if your baby has had enough food, so many parents over feed with formula, which can override a child’s natural hunger/full sensation. Please know that I think everything else she said is horrific, and also that I’m not shaming formula feeding. Fed is best.
As someone who recently had a miscarriage, it’s fucked that Gwen believed they were curses. I would never wish this on my worst enemy let alone someone I used to call a friend. She was fucked in the head
@@hannah3146 I'm sorry for your loss. While you'll always miss your baby, you are still able to get pregnant, which is a good sign for the future. There is very likely a child waiting for you ahead.
What is it with people who believe things like that? My own mother says that and blamed her friend who was groomed as a minor by a married man who then later struggled with infertility (that I believe has continued into the present). She is far from a fundie christian but still believed that and I always wince and question the goodness of others when I hear people who have those same bizarre beliefs especially those who have had miscarriages like her before.
Hey, I had to stop the video right after that to make my own comment about that particular part of the video. She was a true believer and that's the scariest thing of all.
I'm born and raised in Nashville and it's always a trip to see our local news channels on a national scale and I'm so glad it's Channel 5s Phil Williams. I have grown up watching & he is the absolute best at what he does and his voice has raised a generation here. he never let up on her and held her feet to the fire and we love him!
I found out my mom used to do the Weigh Down Workshop and said it was amazing. In that moment, a lot of things about what my mom’s views on food made a lot of sense.
"The Antichrist resides within each of us," has to be one of the most spine-chillingly abusive theological statements I've ever heard. Also using it if I ever make a Grindcore album.
2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
@@tylerlavoie9132 Someone has to read the word of God (King James Bible) to believe it. If someone never opens their heart to God and never reads His word, it will continue to be a "fairy tale" to them... But here's the thing... It isn't a fairy tale. Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hmm. She had a body-hating eating disorder and believed her own (our own?) physical desires to eat could be evil, so it "makes sense" that she would think an evil being resided in us. That's like the "sin nature" argument times 10,000. There's no antichrist in humans, but unfortunately there is a lot of deadly self-hatred.
Back in the 1990s, my neighbors got involved with Weigh Down at their fundamentalist Independent Baptist Church. I was visiting on a nice summer day when they placed their 6 month old baby on a blanket on the grass as we were talking. The baby tried to crawl off and explore and to my shock and horror, the father grabbed him and spanked him hard 2-3 times. This was repeated a couple of times. When the father noticed my face, he said "He has to learn obedience!" I left after telling him I didn't think a 6 month old had any idea why his father was hitting him. This was just one incident that was obviously influenced by the Weigh Down/Remnant idea of Christianity. There are more stories to tell, but even though we are still neighbors, other than a wave from afar, we don't really have any contact. I'm not religious and it was hard for me to deal with their ideas of religion.
@@Dragonfly33 I think the "blanket training" thing originally came from Michael and Debbie Pearl in their godawful book. But all the fundies use that book as a manual for how to commit child abuse, so it makes sense that the Duggars and OP's f'ed up neighbors were doing the same thing.
I was raised in a similar manner and this is spirit shattering abuse but isn’t that the purpose of this type of “discipline”. It is emotional and mental abuse and it will CRIPPLE your child for LIFE.
I still can’t believe my mom did the weigh down thing in church when I was growing up and then I ended up doing it when I was in college. I still have it drilled into me to “pray for hunger” so that I could eat
@@unfurlinglotusflower6939 it's so sad... eating when you're hungry is... a really basic human need. to shame and attack the need for food? that's so fucked... I got an eating disorder from this type of fundie body shaming that I'm still recovering from... I'm sorry you both also faced this stuff :(
I had a family member in the church and let me tell you … experiencing this in real time feels unreal. When I got the text she died in a plane crash I was like ….omfg you can’t make this up. Still have lots of intrusive thoughts from just hearing the messages from being around them. I was never in the church, but I went to a couple events while trying to be supposrtive but MAN IT WAS WEIRD. i felt like I was in some weird movie. Luckily my family member is out and happier than ever :) thanks for all the research you did and making such an informing video!!
as someone in recovery from an ed, the discussion around feeling “empty” is absolutely disgusting and i feel so sorry for their children and loved ones that think this is the truth/way to live
Making and eating cinnamon apple stuffed pancakes and bacon for me and my kids while listening to this. Gwen was so toxic and I think this meal shall be dedicated to breaking the toxic cycle of starvation she promoted.
Right? My kids are grown, so my pan of from-scratch brownies with tart cherries baked in & topped with peanut butter lard chocolate frosting is ALL MINE
This whole thing is so enraging and disturbing and so sad. Gwen obviously had anorexia and put her eating disorder on everyone else and worse, justified it by saying it was for God.
I live two minutes (literally) from Remnant. I can confirm they are buying properties like crazy. It can be 1-4 families per house so they can afford it. They hardly speak to anyone unless it's inviting you to the church.
This is horrifying! These 'churches' need to have far closer scrutiny..once the money they make comes under tighter restrictions, once its harder to evade tax by deciding they're a charity, so many will miraculously begin to disappear!
I watched the HBO doc prior and had no idea how triggering it would be. Her whole thought process is a how-to on EDs. Thanks for taking the deep dive into her awful book/generally awful life to give us this video. Take care of yourself, Jen!
I saw the HBO doc as well and a lot of it wasn't a surprise, except the part where she and Joe tried to take his daughter away from her mother. That part sticks with me a year later.
Did you see Michael Shamblin’s interview with that investigative reporter. I’m so proud of him for speaking out. He’s found his voice and he’s also taking accountability. Please TH-cam him and support his new music.
She stares into the vacuous hole where his soul should have been. I also think she was looking at him in a sort of 'what kind of nonsense is this idiot going to say this time' sort of way.
Our mother Jen who art in Missouri, hallowed be thy name, thy notifications come, thy will be done on TH-cam as it is on Patreon. Give us this day our daily YAAAASSSS, forgive us our tweets as we forgive those who retweet us, and lead us not into demonetization but deliver us from fundamentalism, for thine is my favorite channel on TH-cam, amen
LMAO THANKS you made my night.
*slaymen
I couldn’t for the life of me recite the actual Lord’s Prayer growing up but I could get this down just like that! 🫰🏾💀Love it!
She makes this state tolerable
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"The people in the Holocaust got starved real skinny, and they survived it!" NO, GWEN, most of those people rather famously did NOT survive afterwards because of the damage that starvation had done to their bodies! Oh well, I shouldn't be too mad that Gwen never heard of refeeding syndrome, it's not like she purported to be a professional nutritionist or anything
THIS! I treat it in animals in cases of abuse and it’s devastating.
They also didn't survive the starvation itself.
They were killed by starvation.
Actually killed by it. Not after or long term only, but just by starvation.
This is about the most horrific thing she could have said.
Now that statement from Gwen is worthy of being labelled anti-Semitic.
Her lawyer picked her up like when I am trying to stop my cat from throwing up on my rug
Lmao your comment got me good it gave me the giggles thinking about it
It really seems often enough like that with those lawyers
Ahaha you are not exaggerating, that’s exactly what that looked like!
ok that's hilairous LOLOLOL i was thinking rag doll hahaha
LMFAO spot. On.
BAHAHAHA I came home from that Walmart trip and told my husband, "Babe! I met a TH-camr I watch and totally fangirled! I think I scared her..." lol Now every time I mention your channel I start with, "The TH-camr I met at Walmart, remember?" He's like, "Yesss, I remember." 😂 Thank you so much for the shout out!
THATS SWEET LOL
Yes!!!! Two of my favorite TH-camrs! 🤩
Love you both!
❤😂🎉 wholesome
Loved your video.
And, yes, apparently I do live under a rock. I'd never heard of her or _Remnant_ _Fellowship_ before your video came up in my feed. I actually lived very close to there when they died.
It's like she started losing her hair from malnutrition and then completely forgot what normal hair looks like
Now I kinda wonder if the hair towards the end was a wig. Nobody's real hair does that unless they are seriously damaging it daily.
That's what I was thinking. Her hair had to have thinned due to age and malnutrition and she wildly overcompensated.
The wigs were part of her ministry! Thin and brittle hair on the church leader might cause people to question whether it's teachings really make healthy. And surely the opposite was true too, right?
It’s gotta be a performance art piece or something bc that hair is crazy looking
@@auntiem0thman yeah a wig or some sort of extensions and something to fill out the beehive. I've seen people with long healthy hair recreate historical hairstyles that pile the hair up high and they almost always require hair rats at least to support and give volume.
No amount of trigger warnings could have prepared me for the special brand of horrible that is suggesting the Holocaust was a good crash diet.
W H A T
I haven’t watched the whole video yet but WHAT
Verbal violence is VIOLENCE.
I wondered where this came from! People have been saying this over and over on twitter on any post that is about body acceptance and I was like, where are these assholes coming from? Why are they saying this?
New to this trying reach out to u I thought ur awesome my 15 ur old showed me ur post
See, I personally don't need the trigger warnings because I haven't had those sorts of experiences (for which I'm humbly grateful, not bragging or something), but when I see "Holocaust references" in this context I'm like "WHAT???" Then I find out why that is, and...
James in the comments SENT ME: "It's not a wig. It's a sentient organism that is symbiotic with Gwen. It may be Eldritch in nature and you should not approach it with sudden movements."
I laughed out loud!
He is SO witty, I’m obsessed with them together
Quick someone write an SCP for Gwen’s wig
Its her puffle 🥺
Saving throw against psionic attack…yikes
Oh my absolute balls I lost my shit when Gwen’s lawyer literally physically removed her. Like a freakin doll. Just picked her up. Omg
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I broke down in tears. She's said, "Up you go!"
That's the problem with being small & thin....as a larger person I at least know I can stand my ground and my body is a potential weapon. I TAKE UP SPACE.
I was noticing how stick-like her legs were in those shiny pants. Then she got removed.
Right?!? Like I would do this with kids when they kept talking and we needed to move onto the next room lol.
Now I've heard of helmet hair, but I've never seen a helmet of hair until now. I like to think she kept the secrets of the universe under that hair. I "love" that there's a clear evolution of her hair getting worse over time. She's like one of those villains who just keep going through new forms.
@@obscura4981 i was laughing at this until I realized the implications of this.
It's tall so it could reach high enough to God!
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My theory about the hair is that Gwen started making her hair bigger and bigger and bigger to make her body look smaller in comparison. That is a thing to a degree with hair styling, where you can add a bit of volume to your hair to "slim down" your face to a degree, but Gwen takes it to the extreme.
Yes, her head looks teeny.
I was thinking she wanted to claim she was taller so her bmi would be less
It was getting thinner from malnutrition so she needed teasing and extensions.
Came looking for this comment
That and the old "big hair televangelist" trope.
I know Gwen died in a plane crash but I've heard reliable rumours that her hair survived and went on to have its own successful fundie show called "The holy ministry of the lacquered bouffant."
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It's a rare occasion I laugh at a comment but christ I actually laughed at this 💀
😂😂😂I’m dying! Ha ha ha ha😂😂😅
How could so many follow such a Beech .
You are so mean don’t make fun of dead people they might come back and pull your feet at might
The type of evil you have to be to repeatedly hit a 2 year old for 'not listening' is just mind blowing.
Reminds me of the time my dad spanked me so much my butt was purple...😢
My dad never knew when to stop spanking my sister & I either :-(
My sister got starved as a kid because my family followed this lady’s books for a while. Her death made me so happy, truly one of my favourite miracles.
Oh my God. I'm so sorry. The child abuse aspect of this woman's evil disturbs me the most.
I was cooking myself nachos as someone with a recovered Ed and hearing about her death made me revel ❤ good riddance to her
WTF? Your parents starved your sister because of gwens diet advise? For reals?
@@lubabe9969 She’s not the only kid I know it happened to, either. Shamblin said to starve until you know what’s “real” hunger and a bunch of other nightmare shit for a 12 year old. Evangelical charismatic Christianity is nothing but a child abusing sex death cult, and I’ll never change my mind on that.
@@familyregaudie4334 agree 💯%
I think it’s worth mentioning that a lot of holocaust “survivors” died shortly after being liberated from concentration camps. The people who actually survived had to be rehabilitated.
Yh when she was Like "and they Survived!" Like the Camp prisoners Just got Up and skipped through the Gates upon liberation, I was Like... I guess you havent Seen the footage that i watched in school. Or read the testimonies. Or the memoirs. Or a History book.
Yeah thousands died from refeeding syndrome as someone who is so malnourished needs to be re-fed carefully with medical supervision making sure that their electrolytes are balanced to prevent a heart attack.
@@rosiejl2798 these idiots thought a gate was flung open and people rushed out. They were transferred to medical refugee camps and that many perished.
@@rosiejl2798you can also rupture your stomach and die. This happens to people who suffer PWS if their access to food isn't strictly controlled. They will literally eat themselves to death in hours if given the opportunity.
And, like, just cause the human body *can* survive something doesn't mean it's a good idea! People have survived being mauled by bears or being shot in the head, doesn't mean those are good health strategies.
Honestly, you’re right about Michael Shamblin being impressive. Years of making music in a public forum, a whole discography, and yet not one song where his singing or “flow” stays in time
Honestly sounds just like when I was a kid just singing random crap to pretend I was a celebrity singer. I had the same lyrical genius as him at age 5 😂
8 years into ED recovery. watched this video while eating a bowl of pasta just to spite gwen shamblin. thanks, jen, for another absolute banger of a video!
edit: the recovery-positivity (and general snack-positivity) of the jennonite community absolutely warms my heart. i can't help but grin while reading these comments :)
YASSSSS I’m 6 years into mine and am having a grilled cheese and a coke
Me too. Chicken Alfredo
I was literally eating a bowl of pasta and chicken with more cheese than necessary (I mean, if that's a thing) like "fuck you Gwen". I absorbed so many toxic diet ideas from people like her.
I enjoyed my chochy chips and Honey Nut Cheerios in the shower 😎
Same here! Currently devouring a hot dog :)
“She died and there’s a power vacuum in her cult” it’s giving Ancient Rome so slay
honestly a pretty healing video as someone in ed recovery. gwen sounds like my ed brain and it’s so nice to hear jen bringing logic into the picture. time to go find a yummy snack
Same. I feel like I could just start picturing my intrusive food/body image thoughts as coming from her & her sentient wig & it would make them much easier to ignore.
@@jaynestrange This is brilliant! 😂
"If she didn't hate herself, I don't think Weigh Down Workshop would ever exist."
YES. You're the first person I've seen mention this in analysis of Gwen Shamblin's whole mess. I read the first book last year and to me, a person in BED recovery, the self-hate in that book is clear as a bell. I think it explains her whole schtick with eating and later with the church. Remnant is a physical representation of Gwen's own self-talk and psyche.
catmitchell5183 Can you please state some excerpts from the book to understand how she hated herself.
@@emiliadavis8247the book is out there-and there are articles. Research will set you free.
I mean the hair says a lot on its own. And the IBLP is obviously her inspiration. Infamously misogynist and abusive.
Self hatred and psychopathy intertwined. Nasty.
Her church has a very lengthy response to the critics stating that none of this is true. Unfortunately The lifetime bio and HBO documentary of her may have all been sensational bs
@riseagain9677 Have you read the book and seen any examples of self hate? If so, please state some of the statements making it sound as such. Thank you.
The fact that Gwen died is like, very sad. Despite her being really devoid of true empathy. Rest in the skinniest of heavens Gwen. Still kind of a meme that she died in a flaming ball of horror while en route to a Trump convention in an airplane piloted by Tarzan.
XD no fucking way? Really? I mean, i despise that woman, but i respect the fuck out of her (unintentional) method of death.
Her passing sound like the dreams I have when I have a slight fever.
Yeah I agree. Pretty iconic. I mean if you're into fire and brimstone- because I'm sure she had a one way ticket to hell if there ever was one...
Girl went out the way she lived, girl boss bless 🙌🙏
Well when you put it that way...Yeah. Exactly.
"God will not be mocked" she says in a video telling members to give up all their money, a few weeks before her death .
Indeed Gwen, indeed...
That was a bizarre coincidence, wasn't it? That is, I do think it was coincidence, not the hand of God, but it's uncanny how much she set herself up for that punchline. Live a life of that much hypocrisy, and it's not going to look good in the long term, no matter what. Just very glad that Lara's daughter wasn't on that plane.
She told her congregation to give all their money away while she hoarded up 5 MILLION dollars!!!
To all those struggling: You don’t need a reason to eat. it’s not a reward it’s a necessity. It is perfectly normal to enjoy eating! It makes your body happy and know that your body wants to take care of you. It has nothing against you. Take care of it. it is the only one you got. Much love.
The problem with US is that people don’t know how to eat an european (southern) we are appalled with what people eat there. That culture has to change to proper nutrition and gastronomy
And on top of that gluttony is sort of normalized there and even sexualized. What this woman did was appalling and criminal but that doesn’t invalidate US has real issue with food!
@@rosesavoy9035 yeah because they cant eat a european
@@rosesavoy9035 I was a farmer (in the US) and lived in Scandinavia a while. Obesity rates were lower because of habits and attitudes. Europeans are far more active, smoke less and avoid "grazing". Sodas are rare. Portion size is smaller.
In the US fewer and fewer are cooking (espec women) but our wealth allows the "poor" to gorge 24/7 on fast food which is ubiquitous. Our meals are rushed and in front of a screen. Obesity has far more to do with how we live than what we eat.
Love u ❤
Getting high eating Mac and Cheese in my robe and fake pearls as I raise a glass of vodka to Gwen…. Rest in hairspray, hell and toxic diet culture honey
Sounds perfect, enjoy!
Okay at 1:23:48 I am to goddamn high to look away how dare u do this to me Jen! He looks like the white Safeway angel cake version of Morpheus or what I think pit bull would look like if he found the manosphere and podcast instead of rap at a young age. Anyway hope y’all r having a great evening and my mac and cheese is just as amazing as this video
Her hair was as legendary. I’ve studied it and can’t understand it.
@@morbidsparrow my neck hurts lookin at it
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The way her attorney lifted her out of that interview had me chuckling. That was so crazy to me.
Same it got me thinking you should know you are doing something wrong when you require an attorney for an interview
It was like she was a toddler who was being dragged off to bed.
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It is deeply funny that heretic is the worst thing you can call someone to Christians, but that is literally how I talked a girl I went to college with out of doing the diet. All the psych stuff didn't do it, all the obvious guilt tripping didn't do it. No, I had to tell her Gwen was anti-Trinitarian.
Good for you for convincing her though, whatever it took. You may very well have saved her from a lifelong eating disorder.
It was WILD!!!! I knew a mom who did it. It was terrifying. Her kids were terrified of her. I got them happy meals.
Your knowledge of Michael Shamblin's catalog is a true testament of your dedication to your craft.
Seriously lmao. I went to his Creating Stars song (or whatever it's called) on TH-cam. The comment section is just embarrassing. Obvious all Remnant members falling on themselves to praise Dead Leader's son.
She gave me an eating disorder and made me hate myself. Taken alot of healing to get better. Hard subject matter but I trust you to present this video so people can know how destructive this woman was.
I developed ibs, anorexia and dealt with bullemia.
I understand her whole “feels good to be empty” thing because sometimes I take a massive shit and feel so good after fr
PLEASE
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Me too. Not the first time I've had a 5/6 flusher before giving up the ghost and getting big bucket. I'm on meds that kill my appetite and that's no picnic, no pun intended. I'm constantly fatigued and work a 40 to 50 hour a week job that is both mentally and physically demanding. Kid beating POS, dead or not. I'm no hypocrite, if I think you're a c*nt when you're alive, my opinion isn't changing because you bit it.
which requires the eating of the food!
Yooooo you ain’t never lied
Ate a bowl of cheesy pasta while watching this. Greasy, white flour, sprinkle cheese pasta, and I enjoyed every. Single. Bite. Love you Jen 💖
Parmesan cheese 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
If you haven’t tried the goodles Cacio y pepe yet… target! So good!
OMG SAME!! Sprinkle cheese and all. I was going to leave a comment about that, but I saw yours.
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Yummy 😋 That sounds delicious! I think I’ll make some for tomorrow’s dinner.
My mom has suffered from eating disorders her whole life and i remember that she used to go to Gwen Shamblyn events and read her books. what a destructive legacy
Can we talk about how her attorney just lifted her out of the room omg
It honestly made me so uncomfortable, she lifted her like a child. That's not how you treat adults.
Thank you for mentioning this! I was so confused when it happened.
😂 Gwen’s body
I couldn’t believe it!
i was thinking this lol like since when do attorneys do that
Petition for Alyssa Edwards to play Gwen in the biopic
I think it's on LMN this month starring Jennifer Grey. Trailer's on TH-cam.
Maybe Alyssa Edwards turned down the role of playing a fictional version of Gwen Shamblin.
BEAST
Gwen is just evil Alyssa Edwards
BACK ROLLS?!
“So the wrong way would be to eat it directly into your heart”
I hate when I eat and it goes straight to my heart. What a nightmare
I think that's call ❤ 🔥😂😂😂
as a jew i would like to say that we don't believe in hell but if we did i think she would go there for talking about the holocaust in the ugly way she did
That vile woman deserves nothing but Ls, absolutely do not allow cult lady to get what she wants! More importantly, I hope you never again feel like punishing yourself.... The world does it to us often enough, we don't need to do it to ourselves, right?
As someone raised in an all-Catholic town and who had a mother who thought Jews were exotic, I can attest that sadly, Gwen is not unique in her attitude about the Holocaust, *however*, it's one thing to be raised to think one understands the Holocaust, then be educated about it as an adult and realize that you were not informed at all. Those people, including myself, all then say, "I had no idea. I was wrong, I thought my religion told me accurately what happened, but they didn't." I was shocked by how she doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on her statements. All she had to do was say, "That was an ignorant comparison, I was uninformed and am sorry." Then again, she wouldn't be the subject of a doc, etc., if she had that sensitivity, intelligence and compassion. I think many, many white Protestants and Catholics were raised in churches that didn't emphasize that it was a genocide (or that physically and mentally disabled people and homosexuals were also targeted) and we only learned after we became adults what really occurred. I am unsure as to why that is the case, but at least for Boomers and Gen X, I think that may have been the norm?
And also, her citing nutrition books justifies nothing. Textbooks use vaguely uncomfortable examples (and some outright uncomfortable ones) a lot more often than you would think. And by uncomfortable, I don't mean "discussing harsh truths". I mean examples in the same general category as that Holocaust one. One such textbook example I recall off the top of my head is an anthropology textbook using literal confirmation bias as a means of defending cultural relativism (when a better example would be, for instance, the prevalence of sexual references in storylines in anime, which comes from Japan, which has an exceptionally high prevalence of sexually oriented crimes, which means that while yes, you have your Ghibli folks and all that, you also have the ones telling stories geared towards adults which are, even in some of the better tellings, going to refer to sexual stuff in places where Western storytellers might use a different plot device because sexual crimes are less prevalent where we are).
Eating out of spite is valid
Spiting such a terrible woman and system that has hurt so many people by sticking to recovery is *chefs kiss*.
I joined weighdown workshop when I was 12. My best friends mom hosted a satellite program in the late 90s. I asked to join, and it was allowed. I even was given a "scholarship" so I could go for free. Thanks Jen for digging so deep into this. It's really helped with my deconstruction. I apprecciate you
Holy crap that's child abuse!
@@mellie4174 There's alot of things I went through as a child/teenager that can be seen that way. My mom was doing the best she could. Unfortunately, fundamental Christianity played a big role in that. It's been a hell of a journey unpacking and deconstruction. Yes, alot of it could be classified and child abuse. But none of it was intentional. She was doing the best she could.
@@lost_in_adulthood I hope your mother has also begun a recovery from fundamentalism journey.
my sister shares her first name & has struggled with her body image for the majority of her life. Watching this makes me so sad, especially as a Jewish person. I'm so proud of my sister for creating a better relationship with her body. food is morally neutral!
Barber- “Whatchu want?”
Gwen- “You ever see Mars Attacks?”
Barber- “Say no more fam”
This killed me 😭🤣🤣🤣
I went to her workshop with my aunt and nana 3 times! It was awful! I was a teenager, and I weighed 120 pounds, and was being told that I could be doing so much better, because I was eating all of the time! It was so toxic and fucked up!
“Will you just answer a literal yes or no question?”
Gwen: “I have run around the question 13 times without answering. What more do you want from me?”
When I was 15 years old, 5'9", and weighed 125 pounds, my mother was always telling me I would be so pretty if I lost 5 pounds. I was already underweight!
Those parts IRRITATED the HELL out of me. I was yelling at my phone "𝘠𝘌𝘚 𝘖𝘙 𝘕𝘖?!"
That "hand full of almonds mom" description snapped my attention like I have not experienced in quite some time. Perfect, sadly. Honestly, I probably should have listened to the warning, because this is eerily similar to my own childhood. I can easily tell my mother followed this woman at one point.
I never comment but I had to on this. You unlocked a suppressed memory that actually caused me to connect a lot of dots as to my body dysmorphia. My mother was heavily involved in Weigh Down Workshop and made me attend the meetings with her every week + made me listen to the tapes whenever we were in the car and abide by the stupid guidelines. To this day, I’ll occasionally go “your not really hungry” even if my stomach is loudly growling. Time to go yell at my mom I guess.
I’m glad you shared your experience. I hope it brings you more healing
OMG! I recall attending a "talk" some lady made at my husband's church. Her first bit of advice is to only eat when you're truly hungry, based off stomach growling.
@@2degucitas is that not normal?
Oh my goodness 😱 this was so damaging to many people. Maybe your mom had her own issues and was desperate 😢
@@dewilew2137 I mean... it's really the definition of "truly hungry" that's key here. Like yeah it's common to give the advice to not mindlessly eat out of boredom, but you can know you're hungry without your stomach actually growling and that's not false hunger
I found a copy of her marriage license to Shamblin. Full name was Gwendolyn Kay Henley. Married in 1978 when she was 22 years old. Can forward a screenshot if you like.
The church you mentioned, Bellevue Baptist, is a megachurch with a lot of scandal behind it. I’m a native Memphis resident so I know what’s up. Happy to provide info if you want. 😊
Omg thanks !!
I know you don’t want emails (understandably). How can send you the screenshot, at least?
Please give us the tea!!!!
@@miltoncat where did you find that?
Bellevue is definitely a beast you have to take next Jen
I actually feel sorry for Michael more than a lot of the other people. He legit looks miserable in any of the videos. He doesn't look like he's smiled ONCE in his life. Gwen absolutely made this dude's life rough
Someone tell Gwen that if one is eating 2/3 fewer calories, based off the 2000 calorie diet, the number of calories they’d be consuming is around… 666
Can’t tell her THAT though, why? Because she’s dead
Ida Dolce...That is just about the best thing I have ever heard in regards to her diet plan... perfection ♥️😂
Gwen's diet was Satanic.
Yeah you would just die on that few calories. Damn.
Careful, she may rise from the grave as a Shamblin horror
This is hilarious, but the idea of eating 2/3 less of 2000 calories is insane. That isn't enough for /4-year-olds/. Edit: I'm a dumb-dumb at math.
**NEVER** praise your child for not eating.
Literally the ONLY time I've ever praised my child for NOT eating was when my five year old got into his entire bag of Halloween candy after I crashed at 8pm, too exhausted after trick or treating with him, and he only ate THREE pieces. He explained to me the next morning when I found the bag on the floor and the wrappers- "I didn't want to give myself a tummy ache and I didn't want to wake you up to ask how much I could have because you seemed really tired mommy"
I told him that he had made a reasonable and responsible healthy decision (not to pig out on too much candy), and that it was very mature of him- but I absolutely wouldn't have been angry OR blamed him had he eaten half the dang bag and made himself sick. Encouraging your child to starve themselves is CHILD ABUSE and these people in this cult do NOT deserve to be having and raising children.
But don’t be a “clean your plate or else” mom either.
I was always prone to eating disorders. My church participated in Gwen Shamblin's Weigh Down Workshop. I spiraled down into a severe version of the disorder - an was forced to seek help. more than 20 years later - I'm still healing - or trying to. I had nightmares all last night - inclusive of that music she had with each of her tapes.
It took me until 3 pm to realize I wasn't enslaved to the ED anymore - the dream was so realistic I woke up in the midst of a relapse in the making - with anxiety sky high. (I did not slip, relapse and I am now back on track).
Gwen's teaching is seriously demented - in so many ways ...
Hearing Gwen skirt around questions literally had me yelling "ANSWER THE QUESTION" "YES OR NO BRUH"
turns out if you look directly at Gwen Shamblins hair, you are immediately turned to stone. true story.
LMAO 🤣 MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY 💯% @Just Hannah 👏🏻👏🏻
It happened to me! 😳
somehow this feels like Medusa slander
You clearly didn't research this topic! You're only turned to stone if you make eye contact with the hairs separate set of eyes!
😂 😅
When I was like 6 or 7 I was "grounded" for a week. My father took everything out of my room except my bible.
I had no idea that's where this idea came from. I am horrified.
RIP Gwen. I'm shoveling Chinese food into my gob in your memory.
The better way to "memorialize" this kind of hateful monster, is to be HAPPY with yourself. Not just to eat... But to eat and to truly love yourself. Because she could never do that, and she encouraged others to hate themselves and their lives.
Gwen Shamblin Lara is a severe case of a person being in denial about having a mental health issue (an unhealthy relationship with food, in this case) and making it everyone else's problem
her instant turnaround in opinion on divorce is CLASSIC conservative christian logic. "unbendable moral laws for thee, but flexibility for me! empathy is only necessary if something is happening to me directly. if it's someone else, i don't care!"
Gwen is the embodiment of Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss
This
Perfection.
She gave off the whole "oh honey you're not gay it's just a phase" vibe
Amen!!!
All while getting that narc supply like a vampire.
Love the Phil Williams shout-out. He's a Nashville Treasure and is a relentless investigative journalist.
Lol sooo many politicians & grifters can’t STAND when he walks in a room. 🤪
@@purrehype Bill Lee SEETHES when he sees that NC5 mic lmfaoooooooo
His voice has me rolling
@@laurena.7115 right?! we love to see it!
@@allyestelle113 He does have a...unique...speaking style.
As an ED survivor, Im simultaneously furious but also pitious of her. After my recovery whenever I speak about my experience to people who comment the misguided: "Oh i could never be anorexic, i dony have ebough self control" I always reply "it didnt take self control to starve myself, it took self hatred." Always seemed to sober them up a little.
Her book "tips" are a spitting image of those pro-ana corners of the internet Id frequent when I was in the depths of my ED.
And her comments about the Holocaust are just unforgivable with her zero recognition of harm/apologies.
Reminded me of how after large holiday meals my mom always used to say things like "now what we all need is a forced march" or "after that were all gonna need to go on the ghandi diet"
No wonder i developed a fucked up relationship with food.
Came for Gwen Shamblin's cult, stayed for Jen singing Michael Shamblin's songs and her commentary about the greatest musical of all time
Joe lawn-darted her into the lake at an 80° angle. Aviation experts are of the opinion is was NOT loss of control. The throttle positions? Surprise! - jammed forward.
@@houseofsolomon2440 Check out Dan Gryder's TH-cam channel, Probable Cause...
@@inlovewithhealth Thx - Dan's impressive!
LMAO no way I can’t wait I haven’t gotten to that part yet.
i lost it at the viewsical™️ the musical that you view 💀
I lived near Remnant Fellowship for most of my life (moved a little further out 3 years ago because money) and in 2017 I went to one of their church services because I had been so curious for years after hearing so much about them.
Everything that I had heard was true. It was the most eerie place I think I've ever been to. It wasn't a fully white church, which is abnormal for the area. But everyone was skinny and conventionally beautiful. The "sermon" was absolutely nonsensical. Gwen would cite some random Bible verse that everyone already knows and ramble on about some generic life lesson that anyone could have made, and the congregation ate it up.
But this is what has always stuck with me: they LOVED me. I was swarmed, multiple people asked for my phone number (I gave a fake number), asked me to come to this or that event, begged me to come to the next service and join the church.
At the time I was in the depths of anorexia. I was severely, visibly underweight. My family and friends were all very worried about my health.
I'm so, so glad that I went just as a matter of curiosity and didn't get sucked into it. That crap is just straight up dangerous. I sent some pretty dark puns to my friends and family when she died.
They love bombed you, eh? In your underweight, unhealthy condition they probably thought you were perfection. 🤨 it's so good that you were strong enough to resist their attempts to pull you in!
that's called love bombing. You were the perfect victim for their cult and they were preying upon your vulnerabilities to get you to join their ranks. Take heed everyone.
Yup classic cult tactic of love bombing a prospective member. It is espeically effective on people who are socially isolated and struggling in life. I am so glad that you gave them a fake number and got out given how badly they enable and encorage eating disorders are so so dangerous and terrible for recovery.
I also grew up close by, and while I never got curious enough to go to Remnant, I did have Very similar love bombing experiences at other local churches that I did experiments like this in. As someone who also developed an eating disorder in this hyper homogenous hyper aesthetic obsessed community, I can only imagine how attending one of her services would have reinforced those toxic internalizations.
Hella solidarity and an "I survived Williamson county" hug coming your way
Classic cult move.
Thank you so much for your really thorough trigger warnings. People often forget to issue trigger warnings in particular for EDs. It's a little thing that makes my life just a bit better. Again, thank you.
I'm fascinated by Gwen's styling choices & what it means psychologically. What was going on in her mind as she did her hair near the end? I'm so perplexed by it
I seriously wonder how she did it, and what was she hiding under all that hair?
Same?!! How did no one in her life say anything?
I am convinced there was a Voldemort/Professor Quirrel situation going on under that haystack.
@@pinkdollangel yeah it’s like every part of her look is strategically BIG seemingly in efforts to distract from her body…which I’m sure she’s insecure of
Her daughter looks so painfully anorexic, augh...
as someone who was on ED tumblr in my early teens, she is literally describing all the pro-ana tips from tumblr back in the day
me too and i was thinking the same thing
I was just going to say that too! It’s full on ED culture from tumblr, I’m waiting for her to give out weird smoothie recipes and like calorie count meals
Exactly what I thought.
@juice box The black and white pictures of scarily skinny women with that wack ass Kate Moss quote
before tumblr, there was pro ana livejournal (what i was on) and before the internet, they wrote pro diet book clubs and social clubs. this is has been incessant. i pray we continue deconstructing this violence towards ourselves 💕
And here I've been injecting food directly into my heart my whole life. Thank god I've been shown the true path.
Dude Gwen changing her divorce message then having a bridezilla wedding is so f**** funny
Her engagement video was so funny too
Fatal eczema? I've heard a lot of excuses for injuries caused by abuse but that's a new one.
Agreed. I knew them and babysat their kids. I can tell you he had ADHD and always jumping and running. So some bruising was caused by this. However, that being said, I do think they beat him.
Not to be a jackass by replying to a comment over a year old, but I imagine it's possible for eczema to be fatal if it gets infected. Even then, I had eczema that got infected once as a young kid, and it was easily treated with antibiotics in a short space of time, so unless it goes untreated or is a specifically nasty infection, the chances of someone dying to an eczema infection are infinitesimally small. They for sure killed that poor child.
@@flippanties that’s what I’m thinking, like eczema could get infected but it would be the medical neglect that was fatal. Which might happen if you leave your kid in an empty room with a bible for four days.
"Run to the opposite side of the house, away from the food." How big does she think my house is??
How can someone have a master's degree in diet and nutrition and still promote such harmful ideas? How can someone say they had a *battle* with a *baby* and not question the life choices that led them to that point? How did her hair get closer to 1980s hair styling, the further we got from that decade? How... just how. I'm so puzzled over what prompts people to follow folks like Gwen.
That being said, thank you for putting so much effort and time into this video. ♥
I had THE SAME set of questions!
Because her degree is ancient!! Nutrition science has come a Very long way in the last few decades.
Same way someone with a nursing degree can sell MLM essential oils…willful ignorance in the name of the almighty dollar
I'm assuming the hair is covering massive hair loss. You know, because that's what starvation does.
@@Skag_Sisyphus oh, absolutely! I guarantee most of it is fake, and for that reason.
You can see the hair issues in her daughter too. It's so thin and limp.
They used the song from Shrek in the engagement video and when Joe popped the question, Gwen responded with “In every language, I say yes,” which is very similar to “In every language, oui, si, ja, yes…” which is what Gabriella said when Troy asked her to prom in HSM3…
This lady was in her 60s uttering a tween/teen millennial pop culture reference. This is just plain weird 😂.
"Our God is an awesome God, he reigns." Took me back to my childhood for a second. Wednesday night hand checks for the youth group kids in the church van. Pastor Peggy's hate for cats caused us to go on some wild rides in that van.
It took me back to my weird college friends screaming it ironically at karaoke...every single time we went. 😂
@miaomiaochan I am too. This sounds like it might be very disturbing.
@hannahwithee you better tell us about these cats
Imagine if hell exists and she's there. Her punishment is to eat high calorie foods all day and have no access to hairspray. Her ultimate curse is searching for a backcomb for the hair structure on her head and never finding one.
damn bro lmao
I thought of that episode of the Simpsons where Homer went to hell and the demons were flabbergasted because Homer was happily eating all the doughnuts in the doughnut eating torture machine. "James Coco went mad i minutes!" I imagine Gwen having to eat doughnuts. With flat hair. I hope she repented.
Her hell would be my heaven. 😎
Jesus, this made me giggle 😂😂😂
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I woke up this fine Saturday morning not feeling hungry yet. I put this episode in my earphones and went for a small, cozy walk in the autumn rain to get my body awake. On my way back I popped in the store to get some juice and then in my local bakery and bought a big, super delicious cinnamon roll for my breakfast dessert. I came home and made a nice breakfast: coffee, juice, cheese sandwich with veggies and the cinnamon roll. All the while listening to / watching this great episode.
So, in conclusion, FUCK GWEN SHAMBLINS BELIEFS. You deserve food, unconditionally. There is room for joy on your plate.
The best revenge is living well
YESSSSSSSSS
bless!!!
i hate how many absolutely belly-laugh funny moments there are in this, but honestly, congrats on bringing some levity to this mess. her attorney bodily picking her up and taking her into another room because she just can't. stop. talking. about. the holocaust! is easily one of the silliest things i've ever seen but GAWD, jen, the voice. the gwen voice. it's SUPERB and superbly funny.
Fuck it I'm gonna make brownies or something just for Gwen in hell
Update: I made chocolate chip cookies and they were fantastic
Enjoy!!
I watched this while making apple pie .... I was specifically dumping a heap of sugar into the bowl when she was examining how evil it is to eat 🤣
Wonderful 😊
An excellent memorial for a monster who advocated for starving children.
I watched this video eating crisps.
🎉😂 this comment section just makes me so happy
I have previously had a ED and studied psychology and pretty much every "strategy" and "rule" she suggests in her program is literally text book eating disorder/disordered eating thoughts and behaviours including concealing it from others.
While you can not "catch" a eating disorder; dieting, consuming information with harmful ideas around food and body image, learning about ways to conceal disordered eating etc. are certainly risk factors that could easily trigger or worsen disordered eating to the point of a eating disorder of someone who has genetic and psychosocial factors e.g. trauma, personality type, comorbities etc that are a hightened risk of a ED.,
I’m an ED survivor, and that’s exactly what I thought. It also reminded me of Tabitha Farrars writing about early accounts of annorexia nervosa, where deeply religious people developed an obsession with fasting and ended up with strikingly similar thought and behavior patterns to how we understand EDs today
You may not be able to catch an ED but you certainly can catch disordered eating by consuming this type of info. She was vile!
There's definitely an epidemic of eating disorders but it's OVER eating that's the problem. Just look around. You can't exactly say that America is too skinny.
I was dying whenever you did the accent. But dear Lord I think this woman was someone my mom used to follow in the 90s and 00s. No wonder she had so many eating issues.
This lady would hate my parenting style, I have fruits, granola bars, veggies, cheese, and more just sitting out within reach of my children so they can eat whenever tf they want.
Yes because you’re a normal, good parent who loves their children. Shamblin and her followers are ghouls who deserve only bad things.
*gasp* you mean you let your children have healthy snacks in between meals? HERETIC! (No, but seriously, that's awesome. You're a rockstar parent.)
Yes! The snack pantry!
Me too and that’s how we were raised
Best hack my mum Had to make us eat vegetables: Cut up some peppers and carrots into Sticks and Just leave them within reach. Grabbing it was easier than asking my mum for other snacks, so we went for it.
We ended up being the only 5 year olds in my Family who would eat raw vegetables without a fight and i didnt even realize until i was Like... 10
Watching Gwen talks makes me desperately want to see Alyssa Edwards do an impersonation of her. It could be sooooo good.
I thought of Alyssa the second I saw that thumbnail! She’ll win the Snatch Game now for sure 😂.
Her musical son is like: When I was a Christian, my mother took me into the chapel, to see a Christian band. She said, "Son, when you grow up
Would you be the prophet of the broken. The overweight and the LGBTQ+?" She said, "Will you defeat them? Your demons, and all the non-believers. The diets that they have made?" "Because one day, I'll leave you a phantom. To lead you in the rapture. To join the rapture parade"
Lol My Chemical Romance!
I feel compassion for him because he was raised in a toxic cult his mother the leader so he drank the cool aid. After her death he left and divorced his wife. His life seems to have fallen apart. I'm sure while he was there he thought he was helping and is now just a man struggling and needs to recover his life and the loss of his mother. Even if she was a bad person that's still your mom. The daughter looks very sick.
I’m glad he’s out now.
What in the name of the legendary rock band Toto was she talking about?
As a Christian, I applaud the Black Parade parody.
It brings me joy to hear you talk about how proud you are of your work. You should be - your videos are so well done and you’re a delight to listen to. :)
I found a weigh down workbook at Goodwill in Franklin, TN, partially worked through. The woman journaled something like "god intervened/gave a sign by making my chips drop on the floor." heartbreaking
Always interesting (and sad) to find toxic fundie materials in the wild. Did you buy it? I try to take the really terrible books off the secondhand market if it doesn't fund any awful causes.
Also I get such a sinking feeling when people attribute coincidences to God. Last time it was a guy claiming the Holy Spirit intervened by making a cross-shaped mess during his last drug use. Matt Dillahunty of the Atheist Experience had the most incredulous expression the whole time. 🤦♂️ We like to see patterns and intention in stuff, sure. It surely helped us survive at some point in our evolution. But God doesn't meddle in affairs of chip bags!
I hope that lady stopped the program and that's why it's only partly worked.
Omg that unlocked a memory. My family was really into this and if I ever dropped food she would say “that’s your way of escape!“. It was a known thing in that church that dropping food was a sign from God 😕 so toxic!!
Did you buy it? I'd have bought it just to put on my coffee table so I could tell the whole crazy story to unsuspecting house guests.
I think the most dangerous part of the Weigh Down workshop is that there is genuinely good advice peppered in to a whole lot of bs. Little kids shouldn’t be having tons of sugary drinks and snacks instead of meals. But teaching them to ignore hunger cues and purposely starving yourself/your kids and the whole holocaust comparison just shoots this whole thing into the stratosphere.
Yes and there was a small part of her feeding advice about infants that was correct. Breastfeeding on demand is generally recommended over formula is possible. It’s so hard to tell if your baby has had enough food, so many parents over feed with formula, which can override a child’s natural hunger/full sensation. Please know that I think everything else she said is horrific, and also that I’m not shaming formula feeding. Fed is best.
Even not using dessert as a reward seems like a good idea to me. That way kids don't learn that they need to 'earn' tasty food.
As someone who recently had a miscarriage, it’s fucked that Gwen believed they were curses. I would never wish this on my worst enemy let alone someone I used to call a friend. She was fucked in the head
So sorry this happened to me and I was literally thanking God than I miscarried and realized God isn't real. That's really awful to say
@@hannah3146 sorry for your loss 😓
And I hope gave you comfort and that you feel his peace and love.
She was fully cracked. I almost wonder who was directing her because there’s no way she set this all up herself… did she?
@@hannah3146 I'm sorry for your loss. While you'll always miss your baby, you are still able to get pregnant, which is a good sign for the future. There is very likely a child waiting for you ahead.
What is it with people who believe things like that? My own mother says that and blamed her friend who was groomed as a minor by a married man who then later struggled with infertility (that I believe has continued into the present). She is far from a fundie christian but still believed that and I always wince and question the goodness of others when I hear people who have those same bizarre beliefs especially those who have had miscarriages like her before.
the interview abt the holocaust…. my mind is fucking boggled. bamboozled. i’m flabbergasted. why did she think that was okay
She wasn’t thinking because she didn’t eat enough to think.
Hey, I had to stop the video right after that to make my own comment about that particular part of the video. She was a true believer and that's the scariest thing of all.
people will try whatever they think they can get away with. "whose gonna stop me?" mindset got her that far, so she had no motivation to change it.
Right??? Absolutely staggering.
I love that "Awesome God" tune. When it's done properly it's lethal. Top song.
the poetic justice of her dying during her workshop on greed is just amazing
I'm born and raised in Nashville and it's always a trip to see our local news channels on a national scale and I'm so glad it's Channel 5s Phil Williams. I have grown up watching & he is the absolute best at what he does and his voice has raised a generation here. he never let up on her and held her feet to the fire and we love him!
I found out my mom used to do the Weigh Down Workshop and said it was amazing. In that moment, a lot of things about what my mom’s views on food made a lot of sense.
"The Antichrist resides within each of us," has to be one of the most spine-chillingly abusive theological statements I've ever heard. Also using it if I ever make a Grindcore album.
2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
"The antichrist resides within in each of us" -> BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@believestthouthis7 If only the bible was real
@@tylerlavoie9132
Someone has to read the word of God (King James Bible) to believe it. If someone never opens their heart to God and never reads His word, it will continue to be a "fairy tale" to them... But here's the thing... It isn't a fairy tale.
Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hmm. She had a body-hating eating disorder and believed her own (our own?) physical desires to eat could be evil, so it "makes sense" that she would think an evil being resided in us. That's like the "sin nature" argument times 10,000. There's no antichrist in humans, but unfortunately there is a lot of deadly self-hatred.
Hear me out: A satirical biopic about Gwen starring Kaitlin Olson.
I’ve been thinking the same thing!!!!
she's the ONLY person i would trust to do it. kaitlin if you're reading this, please
Danny DeVito's production company needs to finance this
Perfect casting
Sarah Paulson is playing her. And you just know this *church* is homophobic af. 🤌🏾
When u said "I didn't tell u to look away" & the perfectly timed pause while throwing up Shamblins picture got my like/follow keep up the good work
Back in the 1990s, my neighbors got involved with Weigh Down at their fundamentalist Independent Baptist Church. I was visiting on a nice summer day when they placed their 6 month old baby on a blanket on the grass as we were talking. The baby tried to crawl off and explore and to my shock and horror, the father grabbed him and spanked him hard 2-3 times. This was repeated a couple of times. When the father noticed my face, he said "He has to learn obedience!" I left after telling him I didn't think a 6 month old had any idea why his father was hitting him. This was just one incident that was obviously influenced by the Weigh Down/Remnant idea of Christianity. There are more stories to tell, but even though we are still neighbors, other than a wave from afar, we don't really have any contact. I'm not religious and it was hard for me to deal with their ideas of religion.
That sounds like the “blanket training” those crazy Duggars use on their babies. It’s so sick.
@@Dragonfly33 I think the "blanket training" thing originally came from Michael and Debbie Pearl in their godawful book. But all the fundies use that book as a manual for how to commit child abuse, so it makes sense that the Duggars and OP's f'ed up neighbors were doing the same thing.
Yeah the child abuse segment definitely reminded me of To Train Up A Child and blanket training. Very culty and child abuse.
@@Dragonfly33 Yep sounds just like blanket training, but it also sounds like the kind of discipline Gwen and her ilk practiced.
I was raised in a similar manner and this is spirit shattering abuse but isn’t that the purpose of this type of “discipline”. It is emotional and mental abuse and it will CRIPPLE your child for LIFE.
I still can’t believe my mom did the weigh down thing in church when I was growing up and then I ended up doing it when I was in college. I still have it drilled into me to “pray for hunger” so that I could eat
I’m not sure if my mom did it or if it was a knock off but the advice was to cut your meals in half. Eat one half and then pray over the other half.
@@unfurlinglotusflower6939 it's so sad... eating when you're hungry is... a really basic human need. to shame and attack the need for food? that's so fucked... I got an eating disorder from this type of fundie body shaming that I'm still recovering from... I'm sorry you both also faced this stuff :(
So sorry!
It sounds like you got out at least. Best of luck on your recovery.
@@unfurlinglotusflower6939 Ugh it’s ridiculous!
“That’s why her hair is so big. It’s full of secrets.”
I had a family member in the church and let me tell you … experiencing this in real time feels unreal. When I got the text she died in a plane crash I was like ….omfg you can’t make this up. Still have lots of intrusive thoughts from just hearing the messages from being around them. I was never in the church, but I went to a couple events while trying to be supposrtive but MAN IT WAS WEIRD. i felt like I was in some weird movie. Luckily my family member is out and happier than ever :) thanks for all the research you did and making such an informing video!!
Imagine beign abused by this woman from birth and NOT becoming a depressed alcoholic with body issues. these ppl need therapy so bad.
as someone in recovery from an ed, the discussion around feeling “empty” is absolutely disgusting and i feel so sorry for their children and loved ones that think this is the truth/way to live
I really love how well you guys discuss sensitive/triggering topics with such empathy for others, it's so nice to hear
Making and eating cinnamon apple stuffed pancakes and bacon for me and my kids while listening to this. Gwen was so toxic and I think this meal shall be dedicated to breaking the toxic cycle of starvation she promoted.
On my way to make pancakes too to break the cycle 💙
this sounds so yummy! thanks for being a good parent to your kids 🤍🤍🤍
Right? My kids are grown, so my pan of from-scratch brownies with tart cherries baked in & topped with peanut butter lard chocolate frosting is ALL MINE
This whole thing is so enraging and disturbing and so sad. Gwen obviously had anorexia and put her eating disorder on everyone else and worse, justified it by saying it was for God.
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I live two minutes (literally) from Remnant. I can confirm they are buying properties like crazy. It can be 1-4 families per house so they can afford it. They hardly speak to anyone unless it's inviting you to the church.
This is horrifying! These 'churches' need to have far closer scrutiny..once the money they make comes under tighter restrictions, once its harder to evade tax by deciding they're a charity, so many will miraculously begin to disappear!
I watched the HBO doc prior and had no idea how triggering it would be. Her whole thought process is a how-to on EDs.
Thanks for taking the deep dive into her awful book/generally awful life to give us this video. Take care of yourself, Jen!
I saw the HBO doc as well and a lot of it wasn't a surprise, except the part where she and Joe tried to take his daughter away from her mother. That part sticks with me a year later.
Did you see Michael Shamblin’s interview with that investigative reporter. I’m so proud of him for speaking out. He’s found his voice and he’s also taking accountability. Please TH-cam him and support his new music.
I've never witnessed anyone dramatically listen to someone. When her husband talks. She turns her entire body towards him and stares into his soul.
It's a control thing. He was her puppet.
I'm going to start doing that to my husband and see how he reacts
@@pfcheather mine would just stop talking and stare back until it got awkward and then ask wtf I was staring at. Lol
She stares into the vacuous hole where his soul should have been. I also think she was looking at him in a sort of 'what kind of nonsense is this idiot going to say this time' sort of way.