Ancient Christian Magic - Protection, Exorcism, and Love Magic from Ancient Coptic Texts
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- While Christianity is often thought of as hostile to any form of magical practice, history reveals that magic has been practiced through all of Christian history. In this episode of Esoterica we explore the earliest Christian magic preserved in Greek and Coptic sources from late-classical Egypt. Here we find a wide range of magical practices from protection, exorcisms, love magic, curses - even a spell for a good singing voice. Studying early Christian magic gives us an important glimpse into a wider range of Christianity than just the world of theologians, monks, and priests.
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I have to know. Where did the scholar(s) of your channel gain their occult sciences education? I ask in an effort to seek out similar training/education. Anything you are willing to share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
@@jonathanbulkheed338 Regular universities - the folks that wrote these books are specialists in Coptic and Egyptian Christianity.
@@donavonneighbors and electricity
The circles and symbols resemble the Kircher Tree of Life.
Christian in the streets, Magic in the sheets (papyri).
Good one...
I feel like that's what Jesus would want. 👁️
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lmao!!!!
Good one
People forget that Christianity, like most other major religions, has gone through a vast evolution of theological tenets over the ages. There was a time when women were the leaders of Christian ritual; and a long while where priests were not celibate. These are two of many examples of the theological evolution. The New Testament is full of Christian magic. To know one's religion, one must study it from the beginning. Thank you for your guidance in these matters.
There was NEVER an iteration of the church led by females
Women are not permitted to teach 😂 get outta here with that heresy
I grew up as a Christian, but the orthodoxy of evangelicalism frustrates me often. I love that you're exploring these things. Thanks man!!
I think the word you’re looking for is deadness and lack of belief in the reality of which they speak 🗣
@@australopithecusafarensis5386actions and words
Aka hypocrisy. Christianity - bans the use of magic citing it is of the devil.
Jesus - …
@@australopithecusafarensis5386Yeah. One of the weirdest dichotomies in Christianity is in 1 breath saying God is all powerful and having an intense, intimate relationship with human life. While when confronted by skeptical atheists or other competing explanations, they deny that miracles, signs and wonders still occur. It is very common to have a Christian claim the Bible is Inerrant, but at some point people and prophets stopped being able to do miracles (through the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ).
Pentacostal Christians, people that claim to speak in tongues, etc. are often lampooned in many Christian communities. The denominations that are more open to such mysticism, to my knowledge are Baptists and Pentacostals.
@@onpoint2292 Paul said there's only one church. you look at it as if to say he's exclusive, or that anyone who reaches out belongs. but for those who want to look at the literally; this is Eph 4:2-7
2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3 eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call- 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7 But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift.
I grew up Traditional Roman Catholic. The Mass itself is magic ritual, complete with carefully crafted spells read straight out of a ritual book in front of everyone. It is what it is. I started thinking of it that way, to be honest, after hearing the line in the Pink Floyd song "Time" where they reference the lay people gathering to hear the "softely spoken spell" at the call of the bell. The entire religion revolves around mysticism, demonology, superstition, and ritual magic
I agree with this, and you articulated it so well.
"calls the faithful to their knees-" Catholics get on their knees during mass too
@@babyinvasion precisely!
@@antemorph66 Life is magical. Secularism is another type of magic again, one you don’t notice because it’s assumed all around you.
The choice is to decide what makes a good person motivated by true unselfish love.
@@antinorum9820 I grew up in the SSPX. The Mass is nothing but a magic ritual. Do you not understand what a ritual is or are you just being protective?
I grew up in a high-control Christian sect that emphasized evangelizing. Now, after a sojourn into strict atheism, I am reconstructing a sort of metaphorical liberal Christianity in my own life. Understanding more of the breadth of this faith tradition is a truly healing and powerful part of my life, and Dr. Sledge has been a key part of that growth. !
Growing up in a Christian household I was always interested in the fringe ,read everything I could find for the past 15 years ,I wish I'd found this channel that long ago
Welcome!
I wish I knew a tenth of what you do. I love the study of ancient religions but didn't know how much until I got to be older in life. Thanks for all the book references. Very educational, and your videos are very well done.
These youtube courses are more worth it than those of modern-day universities!
How would it benefit you if you knew what he knows? Would it bring you the salvation of your soul? Would it ensure you escape the judgement? Nope. It wouldn't. Dabbling with demons is very foolish.
@@thebishopelect It is not unwise to learn what was taught before you came along. What is “possibly” foolish is putting into practice said knowledge. From what I have seen and heard Dr. Sledge does not do so. It is far more dangerous to judge someone without knowledge than it is to acquire knowledge itself.
@@thebishopelect yep! Knowledge is sooo bad! Do antibiotics save the soul? No. Let's stop their production! Do surgery save the soul? Down with surgery! Do food nourish the soul? No. Let's stop eating!
@@thebishopelect it looks like the cage of someone’s dogma has been rattled, and the dogma doesn’t like it one bit 🤔
My Hungarian grandmother was Catholic but she read the bones every morning. Sometimes she would call me to tell me something about what she saw.
I hope you listened to her when she did that - one can never be too careful!
That’s an example of folk Catholicism or folk Christianity (inputting elements of the earlier traditional religion into Christianity) some which might be contradictory to Christianity. I’m Nigerian and we have diviners, people that cast charms and stuff. They still practice and would identify as Christian. Just instead they claim they practice in the name of Jesus.
My family is Irish Catholic but the women in my family dating back earlier then the 1800s all read tea leaves & did other healing magik. When my dad told me about it, I didn’t understand because we are taught in Catholic school & church that all of those things were evil & devil worship. Now that I’m an adult & have been studying religions, ancient history, secret society’s, etc, I know we have all been brainwashed into thinking “Magik” is evil. Magik has always been used, even by the Christians! I also think my family was into Magik because they were in Ireland. Celtic druids we’re there long before any Christians were. I believe the Irish continued the magik of the druids & ancient knowledge. They did this in secret though because the Catholic Church would have had them all arrested or killed and labeled witches. The true evil is the Catholic Church. I always wondered why the Pope was even still in power in the common day considering the horrible crimes against humanity they have been inflicting on humanity since the beginning. Same goes with the Royal family of England! Why are they still in these huge palaces living off the peoples tax money, yet they “aren’t in charge of anything anymore”. You will learn that anyone who resides in one of these ancient “Roman” structures never leave, keep their secret artifacts in their ancient estates. All have underground tunnels that lead over 50 miles across underground (Vatican secret library), and these monsters continue to live there. Yet we are to believe these people are no longer in charge of anything? I don’t buy it. They are hiding plenty in those buildings! Until the people rise up against their evil & raid their castles, we will remain under this brainwashed state. Good luck on your journey!
My grandmother was a Holiness. She also practiced Ajo, and many forms of magick found and practiced in HooDoo and VooDoo.
@@Urfavigbo Which does have precedent. With figures like King Solomon, having deep root in the idea of Magicks over normally non Holy effects taken under the name of God. It’s also a sign that much of the early Nigerian culture pre-interaction with European culture has been carried over.
This is easily the most fascinating presentation of pre-Renaissance culture I have ever seen. As a PHD in art history I would LOVE to have had this when I was teaching undergrads.
Some Christian-magic practices exist in modern-day Protestantism, specifically Pentecostalism: "Pleading the Blood," "declaring" things "in the name of Jesus," ect.
Yes, today’s health & wealth gospel is heavily steeped in magic. What’s funny is christians have no idea, and would deny this fact.
Orthodox practices are just church approved magick.
@@DL-rl9bd I am a christian and know this, many of us know this. not all of us are the same.
As someone what was apart of a Pentecostal church, invoking the name of Jesus Christ in order to accomplish God’s power isn’t magic. Based on the New Testament scripture Paul teaches and so that the gospel writes emphasize that Jesus Christ is God, so to invoke Christ name is to call on God.
@@shenron7 invocation is magic.
Thank you for providing the historical context! I never knew people didn’t doubt Jesus of Nazareth and his followers had supernatural powers, but that they doubted the origin of those powers.
Also, thanks for pointing out what many Christians hope to cover up: the existence of Christian magic, homosexuality, etc. I wish this video existed when I was a kid
I would love a modern exploration of Christian magic, described in some of the other comments (and a plethora of other practices), especially because the practitioners don’t view their actions as magic.
I have been on this learning journey for a while now & the TH-cam channel Minds Unveiled has been mind blowing. It really breaks down the way we have been brainwashed via KJV Bible. There are so many more stories that didn’t make the final cut, due to the magik & other worldly (or dimension) subject matter in these gospels. We have been deceived much more then we think. The whole “accept Jesus Christ as your savior & your saved forever” never sat right with me. It doesn’t make sense to me personally. I was brought up Roman Catholic/Christian and it never felt right. Well once I learned about the Jesuit order along with other secret sects like Freemasons, Odd fellows, the rosecrution order, ect. And how they have manipulated & changed the public view of Christianity to dumb people down & make us stop asking questions. Our history has been altered & we all have been deceived on a grand scale. I hope you check our Minds Unveiled & continue on your spiritual journey! Never stop asking questions & never stop doing research. There is so much more going on then we know🌅💛
The example I'm thinking of is when Jesus qpplies mud to the blind person's eyes
@@idancewithsaibot This video isn't about whether or not magic is real. This video is a historical account...
Brilliant and beautiful!! I’m glad to see a channel that deals with very difficult/ heavy material. Thanks
Thank you very much!
Me too . for me its the true and parts of the story that were not told . but its history . not modified history . i enjoy the history portion .
I told this to a Christian, that their whole religon is based on Magick and blood rituals, he called me a liar and proceeded to cast spells on me using the bible like a grimoire.
This why the East esotericism is a lot better simply Easter esoteric is the path to the creator while the west uses astrology magic and alchemy with out finding the source to the creator
The BIBLE itself is a blood ritual. A contract bound in blood.
Ist true cos of the powerfull text in the bible
Imprecatory Psalms lol
Lol and the gallons of blood spilled on the altar in the temple? Yah is a blood thirsty God perhaps?
This video is incredible; the history and the intricacies of the magic is obviously really interesting in and of itself, but what makes it something more is the way the spells here give you such a window into all the everyday fears and hopes and desires and tragedies of people’s lives that you would almost never hear about in such an intimate way.
I was literally just sitting, randomly thinking about Christian mysticism this morning and then stumble upon this interesting piece of work.
Maybe the phones can read our minds at this point because I was recently pondering this.
@@kittycat8222 ghost in the machine perhaps, alas I have only feeling and no imperial evidence according to out traditional schools of thought. I don't see why technology cannot be a conduit for apparariton.
Otherwise, algorithm is very very specific like freaky specific, it's def a technology kept secret because it is so influential, powerful, profitable, and probably unethical.
@@IBauer-fm4bw you may be right “Satan controls the airway”.
@@kittycat8222I think so too. The AI can read our minds.🤷🏾♂️
This was one of my favorites. I really look forward to more videos on the subject of Christian Magick -- or as you pointed out -- pretty much the majority of all Modern Magick/Occultism of that lineage so-to-speak. Obviously, ceremonial Magick continues with countless Christians and Judaic invocations of Angels.
So, Rabbis sumoned the devil?
@@kevintuesday2329 yes
@All Law what’s all this for
@All Law My granny has been doing this for the longest
@@kevintuesday2329 RABBI VS LEVITE!!!😜
The Psalms themselves are extremely powerful and potent.
Please tell me more and why?🙏🏻 if you don’t mind. I want to learn.
@@kittycat8222 all of the word of God ‘the Bible’ is powerful through the Holy Spirit but it is not magic that you can control
You meant psalms the Bible book
Those are prayers
I am an admirer and follower your work. This is propably one of the videos produced by you which I have enjoyed the most. I love your sarcasm and subtle sense of humor. Excellent work. Much appreciated.
In British English we reserve the term "sarcasm" for the more caustic form of personal attack; we call what Justin is doing here "irony". Terminology aside, I completely agree. It's a breath of fresh air compared to the front-loaded and sensationalist form-over-content style of presentation found elsewhere
I'm a ceremonial magician and I grew up with 12 years of Catholicism so I'm in love with this video! Thank you for your amazing work!
Whats a year in the life of ceremonial magic
I grew Catholic as well and because of that ceremonial magic very appealing. Catholicism translates so well with ritual magic.
Same here grew up catholic got into this hermeticism stuff. Reading about it opened my eyes to just how much magic gets used in the church, not just Mass.
So... what do you do? Conjure ghosts or is it just for peace of mind. Sorry if I come off as offensive. But I'm genuinely curious! ✌️
03:11 - The funny thing about a certain "Mary" cursing a "Martha" is that they are named after the two saintly sisters of Bethany, whose brother was Saint Lazarus. The three were friends of Jesus, and Saint Martha scolded Saint Mary for not helping prepare food when He visited, so this sounds ironically like payback.
I found the second spell interesting , because it is in form very similar to the spells sung by finnic people in the old days. calling out divine powers-asking for their favor on something-adressing the problem directly and taking command over it. The amount of verses for each stage is very similar too. It would be interesting to hear what this casting sounded like, because it seems to use fill-in words, perhaps to reach a certain count or rythm, like finnish magic was based on the count of eight in a verse sung.
Growing up with a conservative christian family, its fascinating to see all these aspects of christianity that have been whitewashed out of what's taught in Sunday school.
Read the book
You'll find all types of suggestions and allusions (to magik). I find it quite amusing how church leaders interpret some verses. They are a bit off.
I love this channel yes! So satisfying to clarify I’m not a negative person because I believe in magick and metaphysical things. My family looks at it so negatively.🤦🏽♀️ thank you for the informative videos!
Of course, my job is to present this material with as little bias on my part as possible to make it accessible to as many people as possible. Thanks so much for your kind comments!
Fascinating!! I’ve been researching my family’s tradition of pennsylvania dutch folk magic, called brauchari. Very clear where that tradition comes from now. So much of that tradition is present in this video
"Mary vs Martha" sounds like some kind of 50s sitcom
yep, 50s. not 1950's just 50's
@@TheEsotericaChannel lol NICE! 😂
I'm new to your channel, and a big fan of studying ancient and modern religions. The depth of exposition, the valid questions you raise (esp. about "elite" views of Christianity and common practice), and the points you make about the interactions of these ideas have made your channel a go-to resource for me. Keep doing what you're doing! 🙌🙌🙌
I love your bluntness and acceptance of what istruth people need t do this so much more
I can't express how much I appreciate your presentation. I'm an instant admirer of this channel.
"Don't Cross Jacob of Euphemia" needs to be a t shirt in your shop
I am such a fan of this channel!!!! Justin, you are providing such a valuable gift to all of us and to the topic of Esotericism which desperately needs this kind of scholarly dissemination. This is the type of effort that makes sense to support.
Thanks so saying so. I really feel that if I have this education and can share it then I have a duty to do so - and it's a lot of fun! Thanks for considering support the channel and welcome aboard!
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I just got this channel recommended to me. This is amazing. I had been listening to the Secret History of Western Esotericism Podcast and was on the lookout for more content like it. This checks all the boxes! Thank you so much!!
Mr. Sledge your brilliant! I don't care what anyone else says..lol. I love listening to your lessons. I always learn something new. Thank you!
Thank you for your academic perspective on the occult. It's been very productive to me in my journey so far and I'm sure it will continue to in the future. Just wanted to throw a compliment your way brother.
This is so great. I love how, as you say, we are all people, across races, cultures, religions, nationalities, sexual orientations and TIME. Seems like social media 'shading', death threats etc. is just the modern incarnation of written spellwork. As a Catholic/Umbandista we were always very discreet about protection and attraction rituals as many people condemn esoteric practices (although not so much in Brazil). Now I live in the West and am just beginning to 'own' my tradition, like I just started putting it in the religion box in surveys. You sir are a Fountain of Knowledge! Thank you for sharing your calm informed wisdom.
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Yes...Love it...I was raised Christian and I practice healing magic. I often get called a satan worshipper particularly by older aged Christians😔 Thank you for the video🖤💫🤍
It does not matter how you where raised, who does your heart belong too?
Cool do you own crystals and do smudging as well? I'm trying some things out right now to know right from wrong so no one can tell me otherwise!
@@victoriarooks784 yes I love using crystals and smudging...I just started harvesting my own herbs and making my own smudge sticks
Sorcerers, and the necromancers will all be sent to hell, may the truth set you free. Magic is supernatural power that comes from the devil it is not Godly.
@@livingwordzion7910 healing magic isn't necromancy and it's not sorcery 💀😂
I remember reading in one of Josephus' many writings that within Judaism there were certain practitioners of what seems to be a kind of healing magic. The earliest writing on kabbalah is from the 3rd or 4th century.
Since there are so many recorded instances of miracles all the way back to Moses historical or not historical, there probably were Jewish magical schools going back to the foundations of Judaism or perhaps to pre-Judaic religion.
It stands to reason that the Jesus of Christianity and his followers were practitioners of some sort of Jewish magic that was also reflected in the Dead Sea scrolls.
Interesting video
By the way
Thanks
Outstanding!!! Thank You 😊 🙏....I adore this, so clear and concise, much appreciated....
Can you do an episode on the relationship between the Churches, particularly the Catholic one with Natural magic?
Great topic - will certainly do some things on natural magic for sure!
Join you on this one.
Natural magicka...... That's what I do
@@brooklyn7722 if you know magic can you please help me learn I am serious please
Yes please
This guy is so informative. The things that i questioned or was curious about have been answered in detail. Knowledge is Power. Carry on brother.
Right. He goes of history and facts which I like.
I just wanna say that this video was MAGIC. Thank you so much for this. I'm beyond grateful. 💌
Im learning so much watching you videos. I absolutely love the jokes and the content is superb. You really take you time studying ancient religions and how all these different beliefs came about.
This video just made something in my heart, mind, and soul light up. Thank you.
I'm a devout Christian, but I also come from a long line of shamans, mediums, and medicine people.
This was fascinating-thank you! I learned so many things. Didn’t expect the humor, which is wonderful.
King David being a man after Gods own heart... took one look at Jonathan, Saul’s son and loved him with his whole heart.... I chose to read between the lines and say David fell in love at first sight with Saul’s son but married his sister and we know how that lack luster marriage turned out.
It's actually a bit more complicated
David ended up marrying several women. Jonathan died in battle and David becoming king needed an heir. He also stole someone else's wife and made sure that man was killed.
Maybe he swung both ways
@@theprinceofdarkness4679 I think he did. I never said I thought he was gay. Just thought he loved Jonathan too. One thing for sure is that he Loved God and God apparently loved him.
You can imply anything to your own personal feelings.
@@theprinceofdarkness4679 Yes..Bethsheba
This was very interesting! I really appreciate the scholarly perspective :)
Glad it was helpful!
I do remember reading about how in U.K. where I am, early Christians built churches on top of Pictish/Celtic worship sites and incorporated celebrating around pagan equinoxes and solstices to make it easier to transition from one to the other. I would suppose it’s just natural rituals and worship left over, would still occur in more isolated areas where it’s particular to a certain area and their culture.
Thank you for shedding light on the cultural and historical aspects of religion. I enjoy your videos very much.
All the best
Just impeccable, as always 🙏🏻
Thank you for this, I have the hardest time explaining to people that God heals them and not voodoo or magic. Apparently, Christians have been dealing with this problem from the very beginning!
you see, I don't understand when people say magic isn't real or it's the "devil", all you have to do is look around you, being a part of this creation, being part of the creator, is more then enough proof in my opinion!
Also, I feel the elites who want to control and make others have the exact same beliefs or say one isn't "christian" bc they think outside the box or have different views on spirituality , are not being very Christian themselves bc to me control and judgement are far from Christian and To me have no right to do any of that! Who's to tell one that their beliefs are wrong and there's only one way...🤔
But again that's just my opinion.
However I'm ecstatic I found your channel!
TY!!!
blessings to ALL
The Elites are using the magic and kept the knowledge. They gave us the version they wanted us to have. This is why the gap continues to widen.
Even today, some Christian churches 'cast out demons' and have healing rituals. Laying on hands still happens. Very interesting topic still relevant today.
so strange how modern all these rituals sound. very interesting. very eye opening. im a chaos wizard through chirst but now go by freelance ritual expert. but these are almost exactly how i would go about these rituals but with different compents
Yay! So glad to see this addressed. Look at any altar..regardless..a chalice a cup bread or food, for starters.
Thanks for sharing all your hard work, dedication and research, I truly enjoy your informative videos
You are so welcome!
I was raised to memorize and quote bible verses for all kinds of situations. Till this day, I’ll look up bible verses to recite over and over again to help me release or speak over sickness, doubt, fear. The power comes from the Holy Spirit as Yashua promised us. I suppose every belief calls the power they call upon something different. Some witches use the book Psalm as spells.
Appreciate exploring the tension between Christian theological views of magic and syncretic individual practices. Bonus points for naming non-consent in "love" magic and the existence of ancient gay Christians!
So nice to see you around these parts !
I think healing spells without consent are as violating as erotic binding spell.
Alms for an ex leper? I'm sitting here minding my own business and next thing you know my entire livelihood is gone!
100% there were ancient gay Christians. Timothy was unquestionably gay and hated women, and he was even stoned to death because of that.
@@interqward1 What is your evidence for this information?
@@conniestone6251 Listen... Take a look at some of the wording, the language used by Paul himself when he writes to various people about 'Timothy:' '...And do no despise him, when he comes to you, for he is doing the work of the Lord.' 'Despise?' Why 'despise him' AT ALL? What is particularly 'despicable' about him?? As for what he was like (I love how all you people incessantly want 'proof' and 'evidence') - today we have 'Google Search. Go look it up yourself. Did he 'hate women?' Gee, I dunno - anywhere else in the Bible except for this ONE DAMN SILLY 'LETTER' that women are particularly beat up on?? Not to worry though, right - let's all chuck out the Bible and go by 'The Letter of Timothy.' Oh, and hell while we're at it, let's selectively leave out the Book of Judith regularly so that we haven't got any real examples of women priests...
Excellent work. Love the depth of the scholarship, summarizing in a very accessible and useful way.
I've been learning quite a lot! Thank you so much.
It's interesting that Psalm 91 figures large in magical practices but if you read it, it makes sense. It is all about God being your fortress and refuge.
Also the idea of having the vowels tattooed on the chest makes me think of the idea of having God's name on one's head or the high priest having symbolic stones on his chest in the ephod.
What brought this topic into my included studies is-
The Bruce Codecs. Found buried in the sands of Egypt. Proportedly, Magicka of Jesus handed down to the disciples and intiates alike
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Omg that curse summoning Jesus Christ! I don't know whether to laugh or cry. 😭😂 Clearly Maria had a very different concept of JC than "the big softie that loves everyone" that is taught here where I live! 😂
I remember telling my mother I the thought prayer, miracles, interceding, and other things Christians do to exercise their will on reality is literally magic. She got really upset and defensive. I wasn't trying to be offensive, I'm just not sure how it's not.
Yes, prayer is a form of meditation. Focusing your energy on something to make it happen is very possible 😊.
Also I suggest not arguing with mom about it. You gave your opinion, she disagreed. Respect mom's beliefs. You are very lucky you may still have conversations with her. My mom is gone.
@@StarDreamMemories I respect her beliefs; I'm a theist as well. I just try to objectively view my religion as I would view any other.
I respect how you said history just is. Furthermore I also respect your legitimate suggestion for donations for studying material I wish that I were more financially stable in order to contribute to support your cause
There's actually specific angels you can use with the psalms as well as certain talismans
Interesting!
@@adamplentl5588 read/research it and find out. Trusting others every word is one of the main reasons we’re in the mess we’re in today
@@adamplentl5588 not sure if you know it or not, but this site is an open forum. Also, we still have the freedom of speech. Don’t be upset and lazy. Go do your homework young man
@@adamplentl5588 btw, he never asked for your 2cents, but you gave it anyway. So, yea. Foot in mouth much? Rhetorical question, even though you’ll probably feel the need to answer with more babble before thinking it through
@@adamplentl5588 🤣😂🤣 “if you’re not going to address the question”
You need to clear your mental for bud. Reread my words, it says and quote “read/research it and find out.”
What don’t you get? Stop being so full of yourself and go learn the truth. Your inner ugly is showing and starting cloud your brain
It's hard to have religion without magick
I love this channel because it really makes it clear that magic and energy work comes from literally all sources and societies. Its all the same story, my friends. Its all the same energy. We are all one.
❤️💕
So happy I found your channel. Can't wait to dig into these subjects when I have time. Will probably have to bingewatch through the weekend
Ha. 😂 As the son of an archeologist, I can confirm that archeologist do indeed love trash! They get very hot and bothered over remains on any kind, and have highly developed analytical processed for trash, remains of latrines, etc. Ancient residue of any kind, really. And for exactly the reason Dr Sledge says: it tells you lots!
Thank you, Sir, for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with us.
My prayers are the only magical spells I need...🎑
Excellent presentation as always! Thank You as always Justin
I agree this is a very interesting matter of study for early Christianity, but definitively trying to submit others sexually or inducing them tumors is not very Christian.
Yeah, seems mean.
If christians were so uncomfortable linking Christ with prophecy, astrology and magic, why didn’t they drop the 3 wise men from the narrative?
This is a great point and I have heard responses to the likes of the mention of three wise men was astronomy and not astrology but I don't buy it.
This was a helpful video placing a few NT passages in more interesting context. I always appreciate your further reading recommendations at the end of each video. I've purchased a few.
I love your channel, Dr. I’d be fascinated to see a breakdown of some of these spells, in particular the language and the names therein. Keep it up brother 💚👍
Amazing work. Thank you so much for this and your other videos. your time and efforty are greatly appreciated. Blessings and Long life to you and yours
It's so interesting to see how some of these ideas still exist to today in similar forms :0 !
Early Christians clearly had a bag of holding for magic spells.
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The reality is that we can make a distinction between what Christianity officially says and what actual Christians do. There is a distinction between what elite Christian Theologians or Christian lawyers as they were developing Christianity articulated in terms of what a Christian should and shouldn't do; however, that doesn't have a lot of impact upon what average Christians did in ancient Egypt.
I have always appreciated your intellect and desire to share your knowledge.
Absolutely loved this video. It was very informative and interesting, but I believe it is important to note that the Church does not condone the use of magic, nor was this the teaching of the Church, rather this is most likely the effect of the mixing of ancient Egyptian pagan practices and Christianity.
In the New Testament in Acts chapter 19 verse 13 is a good one. In Genesis it says, "Bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you."
I believe that in 25:00 you mix Mark and John. Mark is the Lion (i.e. St. Mark's square in Venice portrays a Lion) and John is the eagle.
You’re so good at this.
this is badass, thanks for sharing!
I would love to see some content on the Desert Fathers and other Coptic figures. Non-scripture Christian stories and traditions like the ones in the Golden Legend are really interesting.
Frater-Xavier from the channel 'Mind and Magick' has a badass course called 'Magick of the Old Testament'. Anybody interested in actually learning how to apply it, definitely go check it out.
Its not wrong practicing esoteric teaching coz it helps alot even I'm a charismatic catholic one this gives me enlightened deepen the practice of esotericism...
Thanks for another fascinating and enlightening talk. In light of your earlier presentation on the evolution of magical alphabets, seeing these papyri is particularly interesting.
Is it your impression that there was a sort of performative element to the presentation of these elements for the magician's client? If so, the way this magic is being used seems related to the workings of chaos magic by contemporary practitioners: it doesn't really matter if these are hieroglyphs or not, as long as they provide a belief in something magical and a device that can be charged...
love the video and the content! however, is that a dog snoring in the back 😂😂
The earliest forms of official Christian, “orthodoxy,” on a high level did incorporate magic. What would one call the idea of, “transubstantiation,” in the Roman Catholic rite if not, “magic,” modified only slightly by Luther to, “consubstantiation?”
When one examines the Protestant critique of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation from a high enough perspective one will see it for the marginal, “tempest in a teapot,” it was. Of course these distinctions were seen as well worth slaughtering each other over until thoroughly exhausted as the result of the, Thirty Years War.
But it needs to be noted: Although many of the very interesting popular examples of magic(k) discussed here cannot be attributed to Christian metaphysics but rather indigenous pre-Christian paganism that survived after nations were accepted a faith based solely on the conversion of the head of state.
The notion that this would trickle down to where the common folk became orthodox theologians in belief or practice is unsupportable in my opinion. How people may have identified themselves publicly is irrelevant to characterizing the source of their secret practices during an era when one could be burned alive for anything that ran counter to Church dogma.
One could argue, as I believe William James does, that the impulse behind all human religion is magical, i.e., the desire to placate or alter the behavior of the gods through ritual formula; and that this is a human psychological necessity. One might even extend that psychological necessity to what we call, science. Is it not the attempt to recite magical formula to manipulate nature in the esoteric language of mathematics? Do we not employ such things as, unreal, imaginary and transcendental numbers to achieve a desired result? (Unusually honest descriptions.)
As in the academic economy of our own science, it’s my opinion that certain magical practices would not have survived for millennia if they did not produce some reinforcing effects regardless of whether the practitioner understood the cause and effect, e.g., it is documented that Voodoo curses can actually kill people who accept that religion and live within its paradigm.
We too, although it is shifting, live within a paradigm within the West; and our metaphysics is greatly informed if not determined by our generally accepted cosmology. Nietzsche, after all, was not suggesting that God was real or could actually be killed. He was addressing what Thomas Kuhn would later call, “paradigm shift.”
A lot of what passes as theoretical mathematics and abstract geometries sound like magical mumbo-jumbo to me but also to others with real expertise that have taken a hard look such as Gödel. Aristotle told us heavier objects fall faster and this stood unchallenged for 2000 years. Ptolemy’s astrophysical model was internally coherent and predictive. Even Bertrand Russel knew there were problems with Set Theory (proclaimed the savior of formalized logic if not epistemology itself) before, Principles of Mathematics, even hit the shelves of university libraries.
Man is inherently, magical, and we moderns seem little different. “Dark Matter,” anyone? If that’s not a rabbit out of a hat then tell me what is. Try that magical stunt in Las Vegas and you could end up in a shallow desert grave.
That’s not to say there is no place for magical thinking in our world views as long as we are willing to consider it may involve more of the Placebo Effect than Ontology than we’re usually willing to self reflectively concede. In the end, even the guys in white lab coats are doing nothing more than stringing together stories based often on limited data. The thinner the data and more ambiguous the test results, the better the story has to be to secure future funding. That’s how our “word-magic,” works today.
Based upon everything we think we understand, it seems the prime directive of the human mind is to identify patters and integrate them into a unified whole in the form of interrelated symbols so we can apply them to the business of improving our chances of survival; and when these symbols and their connections are based upon information that is not correspondent to reality bad things happen. Humility, rather than certainty, might provide the balance that keeps us open to new possibilities.
“The Universe is not more mysterious than we know, it is more mysterious than we CAN know.” - Steven Hawking -
Great comment! 👍
@@skdjirrrdjdm3926 Thanks. I compliment you on your attention span for reading the whole thing. Long form comments tend to weed out the trolls.
Wanting to sing well so much you do a spell is totally valid
Ngl I would invoke this spell
I actually laughed out loud when you discussed homosexuality in Christianity. “Well… sorry… there are!l
One of the problems with the No True Scotsman argument is that, when you provide examples that demonstrate cases are not fallacious whenever the criterion and the term definition are semantically bound, people will often dismiss attacks on the generalization inherent in No True Scotsman (that they are all fallacious without exception) by way of a No True Scotsman.
Example:
A: All No True Scotsmans are fallacious.
B: X is an example where it is not fallacious.
A: Well that is not a true No True Scotsman.
....it is a self-refuting over generalization.
Right, that's why it's an informal fallacy and your formalization show it's limitations. For me, it is useful when what is semantically bound isn't actually justified. In this case "No true Christians can practice magic (or No magic practice can be Christian) therefore there is no Christian magic." Here I would argue that 'Christian' and 'Magic,' cannot be defined as mutually exclusive, at least from an etic perspective. Otherwise the statement is emic, i.e., confessional, and by definition not academic. Which is totally fine, Christian communities get to set whatever standards they see fit, just academics are going to (1) press those limits logically and (2) aren't bound them in the least.
@@TheEsotericaChannel For clarity: I completely agree with your video and are not debating the point. The synthesis between practicing Christians who are also practicing magicians is beyond debate, the syncretism of the ancient world is well established, and the Christian origins of most modern western esotericism is well established.
Academically speaking, what is your operating definition of magic? How does one point to a historical piece of evidence and say, "this is magic" (vs many alternative descriptors)? How we define that category is important.
@@mikebaker2436 Huge question. Here I would shoot from the hip and say that magic is something like =def (magic) "attempts at auto-intentional, non-providential causation."
This is amazing ! Magick seem to have come natural for me. I just automatically knew how to do spells and I don't know where that comes from I was just very drawn to it. They are simple l guess you can call it white magick. My upbringing was christian but I was afraid because of what I have been taught. I walked away from christianity and organized religion. I believe in God and it's just a simple relationship between me and Him.
Do ur spells work?
@@56jklove yes. It's just words I use and simple ingredients and material objects ( I've later learned that ingredients and material objects not really needed ). it is actually the words used that have the power. It's pure clean white magik.
@@brooklyn7722 what do you use it for?
Absolutely
@@brooklyn7722 what? Lol
Looking forward to the Egyptian MAGICK episode!
A fascinating and eye-opening episode!
You’re a wizard Jesus!