0:00 Q&A 0:22 What is the latest? 3:13 How did the surviving roommates hear nothing? 4:57 When is the next official update? 6:10 Family hiring lawyer, private investigator 7:42 Were any doors or windows left open? 9:45 Was there more than one killer?
I think the perp was already in, removed the dog (did they do forensics/blood work on the dog was he sedated, nope, not done). The arriving kids might have suspected someone was around, pranking them, thought it was Ex-Jack (surprise visit, they were getting back together) hence calling to locate. The hoodie guy could have given a heads up the girls were on their way back. DId they get everyone's phone records that had been at the house? At the frat house? At the grub hut. All the neighbors where the other Jack lived? All pings to all towers within 10 miles 12 hrs before and 72 after? Cast the widest net ...all cell phones of all LE, all students and faculty, and workers.
I’m sick of people blaming and questioning families and the roommates for “complicating” the investigation. These people are going through trauma NONE of us can understand.
Exactly 1st you have to deal with the shock of an unexpected death of a young person just starting their lives and it's a family member that you love and then you have to deal with the very traumatic horrendous aspects of knowing how brutal their murder was it's like dealing with 2 tramas it's too much
@@TheCherylish1 and then having news outlets and random people online spreading conspiracies about them and their family members! It’s actually insane how people can just ignore the humanity of those involved in/impacted by this horrendous incident and try and solve these cases like a subplot of a TV show.
@@TheCherylish1 As a 23 year old male around the victims and survivors age. I dont understand death and I havent lost anyone really close to me. I wouldn't know how to continue daily life after something like this.
The killer must be getting a thrill watching all News & social media. Thinking how clever they are. It’s sickening too think about. Hope LE can figure it out soon. Prayers & Condolences to Families 🙏❤️
And why wasn't there any bloody footprints comming out of that house?.4 brutally murdered, in the one house and no footprints ? Hmmmm I bet its closer to home than what people think .
@@-TheJewel- I know right? It makes it seem like it came from inside the house God maybe hes still in the attic OMG did they check there? I mean you never know he could have brought food and survival Things
I know the families will never have closure. There is no closure when a loved one is murdered, but at least if this person is caught there will be some form of relief & satisfaction in knowing their children will get the justice they deserve. I hope this happens soon for them & that they may find a little peace.
@@DoobieDeb ikr..not sleeping well here in Idaho! Man i hope we get answers soon. Im locked & loaded with cameras up & everything locked down bc its just not safe anywhere anymore! Evil walks alongside us. Keep praying bc it's a beautiful thing to do & the world needs kindness!!❣️
My younger brother was murdered and it remains a cold case. However, the cold case detective told me their primary person of interest died four years ago. I was both surprised and pleased they'd been tracking him for many years. Small consolation, yet a good one.
That is a Great Question I'll say this I would have the entire Region on a Lockdown. Especially people that were seen near and or speaking with the Victims in their last Hours. Is there actual confirmation that he left the country? I would not even allow Air to leave that region..
I don’t understand why they think everyone would hear everything. At that age people drink and go home and pass out. You’re not going to wake up in that state. Guess some of these people never partied when they were young.
Plus they would never hear anything if they had their earbuds in. All of my kids fall asleep with earbuds in and never hear their alarm in the morning.
A previous tenant that lived on the first floor said they could not hear stuff on the other floors because they were set back some but she said she could not hear the upper floors sometimes if the TV was turned way up she could hear that but that's it.
Can’t they at least tell parents that they have a few leads/ suspects but not give names? No harm in that . Will give fans some peace and hope anyway. But they are not doing that cause they have zeooo. TH-camrs have more ideas that those keystone cops 😂
Hoping they catch this malignant individual before he targets someone else. smh Hard to believe this was his first human kill, and who knows how many animals he killed before this. The loved ones of these kids...their classmates...and the 2 surviving roommates??? That is a trauma you likely will never recover from fully.
So sad that the interviewer cut off the former FBI agent when he was presenting the best theory I have heard in this case: that The 2nd floor victims were collateral and accidental (the boy and girl) and the killer’s target(s) was on the third floor. That explains why the first floor kids were unharmed and one of the girls on the third floor was killed more brutally. Also explains the placement of the boy’s body, who appears to have been standing.
😭😭😭😭 All this is So horribly sad. But it's super sad to have been conscious and had to fight for your life and having to realize you're losing the battle😭😭😭. Gaw this is so evil and horrible. How can anyone have it in them to take lives in this possessed maner!? 🤮😭
The police no doubt already have a good idea who killed these kids, but simply don't have enough evidence yet to make an arrest. The Police know that they have to get it right, rather than get it fast.
The prime suspect(s) might be difficult to interview since school is still in session and next week is grad week. I think it was another student or associate of a student.
Would be scary to think the murderer came in the bottom floor, walked right past two other women and then murdered everybody else in the house.. Either the bottom floor bedrooms were locked and he/she couldn’t get in those rooms or the person didn’t go in the bottom floor, regardless, super scary for the two surviving roommates 😢
It's going on 4 weeks. 40 FBI agents have been assigned... and there's nothing?? 4 kids stabbed to death in their home located in a populated area... and there's nothing? 2 roommates not attacked because they lived in a different section of house, they call 911 ( with other people in the background ), close to noon on Sunday and state,, "there's an unconscious person," which at BEST is a STRANGE statement considering the 4 victims bled to death... and there's nothing?? Something's amiss.
From what I heard the call about an anconcious person was made by some passerby to help one of the non-attacked roomates, as she saw Ethan’s body, ran outside in panic and passed out on the patio
Is it possible the perpetrator was already in the house and hiding and waited for the right time to attack the victims? This was a party house so the perpetrator probably had been there before and was aware of the layout.
I hope they're checking other students at the school. We're the four victims hanging out together, in school? Were they involved in some sort of bullying, in school? Was another student, in the school, mad because he/she couldn't get a room, in that house? Does the school have some kind of crazy person, working there? Do we have some kind of a Manson thing, going on?
Could it be possible that the two girls on the bottom floor were saved due to the 911 call from the field by the frat house? Maybe the killer heard or saw the police cars got spooked and left before he could get all of his victims?
@@dianerandazzo1766 but didn't they say? That it was much later!! That calls were made to 9ll. They stated this. And the calls were made when the students got up on a lazy Sunday , late. After all partied,then crashed.
@@captainamericaamerica8090 I'm talking about the 3:00 call to police from frat party. And if the saved student didn't hear any of crime commotion; wouldn't they have awoken from commotion at the Frat House across the street!
Considering the brutality of this attack. How is there not a trail of evidence by the perpetrator(s) exiting the house? Unless that happened and the authorities haven’t released that information?
My question is, who was Kaylee texting for so long while she and Maddie were at the food truck? They were there for awhile and other than ordering their food, Kaylee barely raised her head from the phone the whole time even to talk to her friend. What was that all about? Was she arguing with someone?
That Joe guy who was at the truck (big dude, beard, talking to hoodie guy) said in his video that he saw Kaylee snapchatting. The police will know because they will likely have Kaylees phone.
@@fairyprincess911 no. Not texting her sister with her head buried in her phone. She “talked to her everyday” so nothing would be so pressing to not look up from her phone. It was a flustered guy. A jealous guy.
Has anyone said how when the front door is open, the downstairs bedrooms are “blocked” by the open door, but the stairs are fully in view and accessible.
A group of college kids lived together in a house, some Noice heard in the middle of the Sat. Night is not going to make these kids awake thinking a killer is in the house naturally, everyone is heavily drunk and slept soundly in their bed like nothing happen is really nothing unusual at all especially in a cold freezing winter night.
Is it a difference though between party noise or screaming in mortal angst and people fighting for their lives? sounds like the girls must have had headphones with really loud music or been drunk out of their mind to not react to it
Two roomates on the ground floor hear nothing, the dog in the house doesn't bark, no forced entry, and 4 people murdered; are we looking at a professional hitman possibly paid by someone? Because what they did took skill and I'd argure experience to pull off.
nah, it could easily be explained by an inside job. someone that isn't a stranger to the area or the dog comes in, stabs 4 people then exits the same way they came in. this was late at night and people are coming and going at all times. nothing would've looked suspicious
You watch way too many crime dramas that theory doesn’t even fit the victimology. What hit man is going to kill 4 college students while they are sleeping what’s the gain this is a place similar to Wyoming it’s not Florida State where some rich kid tried to scam the colombian drug cartel OMG
This is simply somebody who has been in the house before the dog recognizes him and that’s why he doesn’t bark; this is an acquaintance murder who may not have known the exact sleeping arrangements and so he is stabbing people until he finds his intended victim. The knife is used because it’s quiet and allows him some control over the situation.
Dog was placed in empty room. Many times the sliding glass door was left open. I believe the killer may have been in that house at one time. Could of been to fix something.
@@robertbyington7715 I agree that it’s definitely someone who’s been in the house previously. They even said, it’s a “college house”, people come and go continuously. This sounds like somebody who has a thing for one of the residents of that house. This person didn’t feel those feelings in return, so more than likely it was a guy who was shot down and he then, decided to attack those who had “wronged him”, “belittled him” or stood in his way.
That’s not true…Kaylee’s parents just said they are very upset that police are not communicating with them?? Why do a report when you don’t have accurate info??🤦🏻♀️ I’ll have to make sure to follow news that actually has up-to-date info
The 2nd floor sliding door area was very well-lit that night. Someone who was covering the case did a video at night to show how well-lit it was. It was much darker on the right side of the house (back yard) near the window with the missing screen.
And that room with the window in the dark was an unoccupied bedroom - he certainly could have come in there. I'm thinking that's where he put the dog too.
I would look into if any maintenance person was called to work on security locks to mess with them for a later return by having already access to the security codes or someone that serviced the internet or another home type of repair. They could unlock a window or door to later return. Has this been looked into?
One of the resident’s Dad had actually just changed out or worked on her lock a week or two prior to this happening from some reports I’ve seen. I think it was Xana’s Dad but I’m not sure about that detail but it was definitely one of their Dads.
Rewards are hardly ever paid out for one.. for two a reward doesnt need to be offered when everyone already knows who did it. Evidence is the issue here. Not a suspect.
The killer or killers is or are out there. That’s so scary and unsettling. Imagine these families mourning their loved ones and then have to fear for this murderer
Man you could be literally be screaming at the top of your lungs on a 2nd or 3rd floor of a house and if you’re on the 1st floor, sleeping, possibly passed out…it’s not surprising they didn’t hear anything.
Steven Goncalves's constant media interviews and statements seem very odd considering police have not divulged the intricate details of their investigation. Only the Police, Pathologist, and of course the person(s) who committed the murders would only know these details. Do you not consider this very odd and out of character for a grieving parrent?
Its the stepdad? Very strange for him to think because he paid for the funeral, he "has a right," to blab about the case information. Doesn't sit right.
Definitely a male suspect, and I would say someone possibly trained in killing. They used a Ka-bar which is used in the Marines and other military forces, and they did this pretty calmly with taking 4 lives in a confined space in a short period of time.
Is it also a possibility the attacker did NOT know the home & just came across xana & ethan first looking for the other two? Joe, the guy in the food truck footage said when the “hoodie guy” told him he was making sure they got home safe & he lived near the girls.. I can see how the girls may have wanted him to tag along to the food truck since it was late & a good distance from the club but maybe somewhere in that convo, the girls said the address & that’s how “hoodie guy” knew he lived close.. I still think it’s a pretty big coincidence that whole encounter took place all while “someone else” was watching & waiting & within an hour they were killed.. & his alibi is allegedly he left from there & drove 5 hrs to his family’s home. I hope they check whatever vehicle he drove for dna evidence
@@SBD722 If true, he and his parents are in Africa. (their oldest son was adopted from Kenya and I’ve read they’re involved in some sort of missionary work)
I just feel there were two individuals on a killing thrill. the masked guy with a knife in the doorbell video gave me the chills, there are people who are very sick out in the streets.
@@Calypso231 The idea that one person couldn't have done this is ridiculous. Ted Bundy did it. That's what this has reminded me of from the start. JMO though
look at the structure of the house. the 2nd floor and 3rd floor are constructed on a back hill. it is not attached to the first floor directly. it is definitely possible not to hear anything. it's high school physics.
@@fairyprincess911 police reported that the dog was found in a separate room with the door closed. so at the very least... the dog would have whined from being shut in. all dogs do, even when shut in by their owners. the dog wouldn't have just been okay in there for that long
I think Ethan heard something and got up to check. The killer probably surprised him. He was a big guy and would've been hard to take out without a fight.
@@Naturalmushrooms I don’t think blood is going to seep through blankets then a mattress and box spring then the carpet and wood floor then the ceiling downstairs.
@@Naturalmushrooms That would not make sense. Firstly, the 3rd floor rooms are not directly over the 2nd floor rooms, but even if there’s some overlap, from what I understand, Kaylee’s bedroom was on the sliding door side, and they were apparently in Maddie’s room - on the other side of the house.
@@rainedyani8505 I think your right, Kaylee had already moved out so I doubt her room had a bed or anything left in it so they’d have had to of slept in Maddie’s room you’d think
I agree. Navigating through that house at night in the dark would be impossible if you hadn't been in it or snagged the layout somehow. Imo it's someone they all knew and has probably participated in vigils or gatherings. It's so terrifying to know there are people around us out there who are capable of such a senseless and horrific crimes.
@@TomorrowKnocks He was stalking them. He followed them to the food truck. There is a video of Kaylee telling him FU. Yeah he's laughing and doing a "joking bow" to cover up the fact that he was humiliated by their rejection of him. A real CREEP. Who drives 5 miles to a family cabin for no reason in the middle of the night after a gruesome murder? A rejected pos who needed a place to clean himself up and hide the murder weapon, that's who.
Why did Kaylee’s bf ignore her phone calls that night? Where was he and why didn’t he talk to her? Why did the hoodie guy follow the girls to the food truck since he didn’t order food and the girls were clearly not wanting to interact with him? Was he trying to intimidate them with his presence? Was he wanting something from them?
What I saw in the video was the girls went left on the other side of tge building while the guy walked straight ahead... this is not following. I think alarmists started saying that and it spread like wild fire.
Are the police looking into the people that were running in the background of the police footage that was released? You can see them running in the background from the direction of the house. Forward the police footage 19 minutes and 28 seconds and look at the top right corner and you can see the people running in the background.
The next lie is that someone actually entered and exited the home. Evidence doesn't seem to be supporting that. People need to STOP jumping conclusions that an outsider did this. Everything points to crime scene being contained in the Household.
Not Gonna find out until all the DNA gets back, all that stuff is likely at the FBI lab as they work through the autopsy evidence and the scene evidence.
@@mvp1116 Yeah, and they said a "Rambo" knife was used. I don't think it would be very difficult to kill 4 vulnerable sleeping students who's blood is thinned out from alcohol with a giant razor sharp blade. I also think people would be surprised with how quickly and quietly it could done also.
@@GhastlyCretin Although, I was asking myself, if I could kill 4 ppl with a knive. One, yes, sure, as maybe any adult could do, but after that 3 more? I could imagine, it takes a lot of effort to stab so many ppl and don't forget, you need to be fast to avoid being overpowered by the ones not yet attacked. It must be either one very strong man who knows, what he's doing with a knive, or even two perpetrators.
@@Mira20153 They weren't all in the same room though. It wouldn't take much effort to strike them in their necks with a giant razor sharp blade as they slept. They would only then be conscious for a few short moments and the only noises they would have made are gurgling noises which will not be enough to wake the others from their drunken slumbers. Edit: Apologies for how brutal that sounds.
Her parents are not detectives or paid law enforcement... its pretty simple.. THEY DONT HAVE TOO and often times parents kill their children so wtf would a cop share info when there isnt a suspect in custody? Some of you people are real fckn special. lol
because the cops have no leads, no tells, or anything after 4 weeks.. they are frustrated that the information being given to them is the same as they've heard since day 1..
Why aren't the Moscow PD reaching out to more seasoned Detectives in bigger cities, to assist? Like NYPD, LA, CHI or any other city that has alot of experience.
HAHAHA! the fbi and state detectives are involved.. this didnt happen in one of those cities you listed( witch have the highest unsolved murder rates in the country. lmao
It takes time of course but it's not okay to have parents feeling like they are battling the police department for answers. The lead investigator should have direct communication with the family. He doesn't have to disclose exact information but he could definitely give the family more info than the public receives or at least as much. There shouldn't be a moment where the family learns new information by watching the news, it should come directly from investigators before it's ever told to the news. Seeing that the parents aren't being dealt with properly is what is making people believe the police aren't handling the entire investigation properly as well.
This is a serial killer under the strict definition. All the victims were on the top floor. Two girls in one room, the other two in the other. The red liquid dripping down the foundation wall from the 2nd floor bedroom is heating medium for radiant floor heat. The two survivors were on the first floor, with the dog, dog sitting. The killer came in through the open sliding glass door on the second floor. The killer probably saw the lights go on and off upstairs, he may have even seen his intended target in that time, through the window. It would be worthwhile to check the router log. *Police told reporter that the red liquid was heating oil, it isn't heating oil- it is oil used to heat. It stays red, even when exposed to oxygen. It came from the floor and room where Xana and Ethan would have been, except that Kaylee had vacated her room upstairs, because she was moving out, so Kaylee was in the other room with her friend Madison and the couple were in the other heated room upstairs. The upstairs rooms were very visible from the woods. The killer would have been able to watch the 4 return 2 by 2 and where they went by watching the lights turn on and off. The Father at the memorial service spoke about the two girls dying in the same bed. Another officer familiar with the scene told a reporter that all of the victims were upstairs on the third floor. The survivors told witnesses and police that the sliding glass door was open. The dog, was uninjured, did not try to flee or bark, and was sent directly to the shelter, it was not part of evidentiary collection. As the girls planned on being out very late, it would be logical that they made arrangements for the dog to be taken care of, and it would not be likely that they would have woken up the dog-sitter to get the dog at 3 am. This is from another commenter- "Medicina Designs 6 hours ago (edited) I think the student are talking to each other about what happened and some are sharing on social media... and on other news comments were posted that the girls downstairs could hear Xana's alarm going but they called her and she didn't answer so the roommates went up to her door which was locked so thats why they called help from friends and that they together broke open Xana's door but couldn't open it very much even with 2 pushing the door because Ethan's body was lying behind the door but when they opened it enough they saw his body was bloody/dead they freaked out and ran outside, one called 911 but fainted and a passerby came to help and picked up the cell which was still with 911 operator and that's how a "unconscious person" was the 911 call -- the other roommate was hysterical and couldn't say anything to passerby... cops came and broke down upstairs Madison's room with both girls in there since Kaylee had already moved out and was just visiting for the night... looks like the killer shut the doors behind him and so they locked (or he knew how to lock them?)"
Obviously the perp is Jack Showalter. He was rejected by the victims and seemed to be stalking them. There is a video of one of the girls pointing at him and telling him "FU" in a bar. He is an avid hunter, vicious and efficient in his animal hunts and comfortable with bloody scenes. He had the knife to do it as evidenced by photos of the knife at one of his kills. He immediately "went to a cabin 5 hours away" after the murders (to dispose of evidence? to clean himself up?) and then left the country for Africa. How convenient for him that he could do that. There is your killer. Perhaps the police know all this and are keeping it on the down low so as not to alarm the murderer that he will be caught if he returns. I believe he should be extradited.
One thing that is disturbing about this case, is that whoever the killer or killers are, they are not amateurs by any means, and probably very highly intelligent. Everything about this case makes it difficult to solve, and I have a feeling the suspects knew this to begin with. I don’t think we’re dealing with your amateur disgruntled individual, this was very well carried out, which is the most terrifying part of all. Cops need to really start thinking outside the box for this case.
“Highly Intelligent” people would never commit an atrocious murder like this.. whoever did this was talented and skillful in hunting, and with the use of a knife.. and unstable/irrational enough to act on it as well..
Something is off.. just awful, idk Were the other two kids really ruled out as “ppl of interest “?!.. such a sick, sad crime! Hope they find this maniac/maniacs!!! Prayers for the families 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
No the media has used that term but the police said and I quote "We don't think they were involved" they never said that they were eliminated or cleared as suspects.
@@fairyprincess911 yes, it's possible, but humans tend to behave in certain ways. in forensics it's called MO or signature. like the FBI agent said, there was physicality involved. So you're looking for a strong individual with the self control to stay mum after the fact. Male or woman that fits this description. I'd be incredibly surprised if it was a woman who did this. Why kill 3 if Kaylee was the target (the one with the most stab wounds)? Chronic hard drug use could be involved as they can cause homicidal psychosis which would complicate things but the crime was done with no evidence left behind, which suggests a clear minded individual knew to not leave evidence behind. Someone didn't like these people, snapped, killed them, and is watching us all for entertainment.
"Daily contact with the parents" is not true, not even close. Not sure where you got that from. Law enforcement has done a terrible job of keeping the public informed as well. This lack of transparency seems to be systemic in our culture now. YET, they want you to tell them everything you know! It don't work that way.
I mean, the police will often hold back a lot of information from the public so they can trip up the perpetrator during an interrogation. They are smart not to show all their cards.
Lol transparency of an open and very public investigation could obviously hurt the case. Think about it, what if one of the victims fathers committed the crime? Crimes very rarely are stranger on stranger. Your comment is a good example why police shouldn’t do progress reports to families during ongoing investigations.
@@GhastlyCretin That's understandable 'not to show all their cards', I agree. BUT... how about releasing some information? Why can't the 911 call be released?
What makes you think Jack is a serial killer? He got shot down by a chick and flipped out. Only thing we need to worry about is where Jack is and collecting the evidence to convict him.
They know there were two different murdered cases ..one in Oregon & one in Washington. Both were killed in the same manner, same time frame & same date of month.
I think he killed the other 3 people because they all came home around the same time. They probably all saw JS. His target and rage was against Kaylee. He had to kill the other 3 people because if only Kaylee was killed. The other 3 can say we encountered JS and saw him when we came home.
That’s stupidity. It’s a murder with a knife. It’s not easy to knife someone without feeling a strong personal animosity to them. Unless you’re a serial killer. If this guy was driven by his hatred for Kaylee- no way he would murder 3 more people.
No Witnesses. This kid turned into an animal (serial killer) at that very moment. And I think the couple were already home and heard what was going on one floor above and caught him at the stairs and….ya 😢
@@user-yk5lv8iw8x They all came home around the same time. I am saying what happens if they all happen to see JS around the house. If he only killed the 2 girls since they were in the same bed. Xana and Ethan could have said they came home around such a time and remembers seeing JS around the house. I am guessing on that all of them saw JS and he killed all the witnesses.
@@demijour1234 If they knew he was in the house- for sure they would have alerted the other 2 or even dialed 911. And if they’re already sloshed- the killer could have easily gotten away unnoticed after killing the girls. Gutting 4 people to death cos you’re mad at one of them is really unlikely.
"...right now, the very latest is they continue getting tips and investigating...." but they continue to have nothing as the case grows as cold as the weather
when they went from the food van to their house late at night. wasnt there any camera in the area that could have showed someone following them to their house? and how long after they were at the food van did they get killed?
I don't think I'm the only one who can frequently sleep through my alarm going off loud as heck right next to my head. Ill turn it off and not even remember so I can absolutely believe someone on a floor below a crime happening could sleep through it.
Unfortunately the roommates lack of awareness probably let the killer slip through the cracks. Usually police are able to set up a perimeter and track the person by scent. It’s a lot harder to get away with a murder when police are looking for you in the immediate aftermath.
@@ElizabethSanchez-sb5ul well no, but it’s obviously complicated the investigation. There were no witnesses, so if the forensic evidence is a dead end, the chances of ever apprehending someone is drastically reduced.
They can't force anyone to take one. They're also notoriously unreliable and the results generally aren't accepted as evidence in court. In the rare cases they are, it requires the person who took the test to agree to allowing the results be used as evidence.
@@marthienel2190 they've been dwindling in use in investigations because, again, they're unreliable and generally not admissible evidence on court. They're only useful if the suspect feels law enforcement are closing in on them, it can sometimes force a confession. There's been no recent case that hinged on a polygraph test.
In the day of emails cell phones...texts etc... they should know in a few days what happened... Likely there would've been multiple troubling communications with the perp before this crime... I love how the media tries to mystify everything...this is why most murders go unsolved...everythings covered up and swept away
0:00 Q&A
0:22 What is the latest?
3:13 How did the surviving roommates hear nothing?
4:57 When is the next official update?
6:10 Family hiring lawyer, private investigator
7:42 Were any doors or windows left open?
9:45 Was there more than one killer?
Please get Dr Phil n more private investigators involved
Please involve Dr Phil
Explain to me how roommates didn’t hear? Someone being murdered sounds different than a party
I think the perp was already in, removed the dog (did they do forensics/blood work on the dog was he sedated, nope, not done). The arriving kids might have suspected someone was around, pranking them, thought it was Ex-Jack (surprise visit, they were getting back together) hence calling to locate. The hoodie guy could have given a heads up the girls were on their way back. DId they get everyone's phone records that had been at the house? At the frat house? At the grub hut. All the neighbors where the other Jack lived? All pings to all towers within 10 miles 12 hrs before and 72 after? Cast the widest net ...all cell phones of all LE, all students and faculty, and workers.
@@shelleysprinkle873, seriously, lol.
I’m sick of people blaming and questioning families and the roommates for “complicating” the investigation. These people are going through trauma NONE of us can understand.
Exactly 1st you have to deal with the shock of an unexpected death of a young person just starting their lives and it's a family member that you love and then you have to deal with the very traumatic horrendous aspects of knowing how brutal their murder was it's like dealing with 2 tramas it's too much
@@TheCherylish1 and then having news outlets and random people online spreading conspiracies about them and their family members! It’s actually insane how people can just ignore the humanity of those involved in/impacted by this horrendous incident and try and solve these cases like a subplot of a TV show.
@@katers1477 I know ! It's more than sny human being could handle..death alone even if it was expected is a shock to the heart n mind
@@katers1477 Perfectly said…it’s all so unthinkable & just too much for these families that are already suffering tremendously 💔❤️🩹
@@TheCherylish1 As a 23 year old male around the victims and survivors age. I dont understand death and I havent lost anyone really close to me. I wouldn't know how to continue daily life after something like this.
The killer must be getting a thrill watching all News & social media. Thinking how clever they are. It’s sickening too think about. Hope LE can figure it out soon. Prayers & Condolences to Families 🙏❤️
Robyn ikr...they are reading this & watching while their hand or hands heal.
So true.
Jack Showalter watching from Africa
@@antihypocrisy8978 STOP TROLLING AND SPREADING LIES! He was DNA tested and cleared before he left for his trip.
@@vickimeyers2672 I would love to see the citation on that. I've been looking.
The Killer is helping look for the Killer .Usually what happens in cases like these .Its somebody they know
I feel if it was someone they knew it would have been easy for cops
100 % its going to come out to be the person they least suspected it always is in these types of cases
And why wasn't there any bloody footprints comming out of that house?.4 brutally murdered, in the one house and no footprints ? Hmmmm I bet its closer to home than what people think .
You're right.
@@-TheJewel- I know right? It makes it seem like it came from inside the house God maybe hes still in the attic OMG did they check there? I mean you never know he could have brought food and survival Things
I know the families will never have closure. There is no closure when a loved one is murdered, but at least if this person is caught there will be some form of relief & satisfaction in knowing their children will get the justice they deserve. I hope this happens soon for them & that they may find a little peace.
Sinead..yes your so correct & beautifully said.
I'm praying they find the killer
@@DoobieDeb ikr..not sleeping well here in Idaho! Man i hope we get answers soon. Im locked & loaded with cameras up & everything locked down bc its just not safe anywhere anymore! Evil walks alongside us. Keep praying bc it's a beautiful thing to do & the world needs kindness!!❣️
My younger brother was murdered and it remains a cold case. However, the cold case detective told me their primary person of interest died four years ago. I was both surprised and pleased they'd been tracking him for many years. Small consolation, yet a good one.
Well said and I absolutely agree!
Why did they let Jack (John) Showaltar, leave the country?! He is the "hoodie" guy from the food truck video!
That is a Great Question I'll say this I would have the entire Region on a Lockdown. Especially people that were seen near and or speaking with the Victims in their last Hours. Is there actual confirmation that he left the country?
I would not even allow Air to leave that region..
Do we truly know if he left the country or is that just another rumor?
That hoodie guy hanging back is exactly who I thought did this
Because they released him as a suspect, huge blinder. On part of police
@@shawnalynn7040 yes he left with his father
I don’t understand why they think everyone would hear everything. At that age people drink and go home and pass out. You’re not going to wake up in that state. Guess some of these people never partied when they were young.
Plus they would never hear anything if they had their earbuds in. All of my kids fall asleep with earbuds in and never hear their alarm in the morning.
Sorry to be blunt but he probably slashed their throats immediately on entry to the rooms too to silence them.
They werent so drunk.Somehow they got to the house.
A previous tenant that lived on the first floor said they could not hear stuff on the other floors because they were set back some but she said she could not hear the upper floors sometimes if the TV was turned way up she could hear that but that's it.
@@mojorising27 They said though that several had self defense wounds. So there goes that theory
I’m betting the police have several suspects in mind they are looking at, and are waiting for the forensics to get back, before they make an arrest.
Can’t they at least tell parents that they have a few leads/ suspects but not give names? No harm in that . Will give fans some peace and hope anyway. But they are not doing that cause they have zeooo. TH-camrs have more ideas that those keystone cops 😂
@@SaintsCheat yea…I agree with you and are hoping they are telling the parents they have suspects …..
They know who it is.
@@holyspirit2501 thats my guess too….but need forensics to prove it!!
@@holyspirit2501 I think I do and they have evidence and can check peoples’ whereabouts. I can’t but I think I know as of tonight. It’s sad.
Hoping they catch this malignant individual before he targets someone else. smh Hard to believe this was his first human kill, and who knows how many animals he killed before this.
The loved ones of these kids...their classmates...and the 2 surviving roommates??? That is a trauma you likely will never recover from fully.
They said one of the girls that were besties had her head taken off. It was definitely personal.
@@Seasniffer69 where did you hear that from?
@@maritjohnson Joseph Morris latest video. The vid is 26:59 long.
He won’t target anyone 😂 this isn’t some series killer Hollywood thriller this is a one off targeted incident
@@Seasniffer69wait you’re kidding me
So sad that the interviewer cut off the former FBI agent when he was presenting the best theory I have heard in this case: that The 2nd floor victims were collateral and accidental (the boy and girl) and the killer’s target(s) was on the third floor. That explains why the first floor kids were unharmed and one of the girls on the third floor was killed more brutally. Also explains the placement of the boy’s body, who appears to have been standing.
that means it was someone close to them. they'd have to know who slept on which floor
😭😭😭😭 All this is So horribly sad. But it's super sad to have been conscious and had to fight for your life and having to realize you're losing the battle😭😭😭. Gaw this is so evil and horrible. How can anyone have it in them to take lives in this possessed maner!? 🤮😭
“The police continue to look for leads and tips.” REALLY? I never would have guessed!
What makes you think they aren’t looking? Steve Goncales? 😂
@@user-yk5lv8iw8x the father why?
I like how the public always thinks that these are somehow a one hour TV, where they get to hear all the leads and evidence 🙄
Yeah, this channel is as low common denominator as most are these days.
It's Jack Showalter
Thank you Agenette Levy for your rational responses to the subjective and leading questions and for acknowledging the complexities of the case.
The police no doubt already have a good idea who killed these kids, but simply don't have enough evidence yet to make an arrest. The Police know that they have to get it right, rather than get it fast.
The prime suspect(s) might be difficult to interview since school is still in session and next week is grad week. I think it was another student or associate of a student.
Would be scary to think the murderer came in the bottom floor, walked right past two other women and then murdered everybody else in the house.. Either the bottom floor bedrooms were locked and he/she couldn’t get in those rooms or the person didn’t go in the bottom floor, regardless, super scary for the two surviving roommates 😢
It's going on 4 weeks. 40 FBI agents have been assigned... and there's nothing?? 4 kids stabbed to death in their home located in a populated area... and there's nothing? 2 roommates not attacked because they lived in a different section of house, they call 911 ( with other people in the background ), close to noon on Sunday and state,, "there's an unconscious person," which at BEST is a STRANGE statement considering the 4 victims bled to death... and there's nothing?? Something's amiss.
From what I heard the call about an anconcious person was made by some passerby to help one of the non-attacked roomates, as she saw Ethan’s body, ran outside in panic and passed out on the patio
We had a storm the other night and apparently my dogs barked all night long. I was upstairs asleep and heard nothing.
I’ve slept through fierce storms and been awakened by someone merely walking in my room🤷🏽♀️
The car on the video footage has a headlight that is not similar to a standard 2011-2013 Elantra headlight.
Is it possible the perpetrator was already in the house and hiding and waited for the right time to attack the victims? This was a party house so the perpetrator probably had been there before and was aware of the layout.
That night was the last opportunity to kill one person who was moving away.
@@fidneusdiller8123 Where did you see that? If it's not sourced it didn't happen.
@@fidneusdiller8123 I think so,,and someone else let him know when they were coming
i thought of this as a possibility as well
College kids also sleep with headphones or ear buds since noise may be a regular occurrence
I hope they're checking other students at the school. We're the four victims hanging out together, in school? Were they involved in some sort of bullying, in school? Was another student, in the school, mad because he/she couldn't get a room, in that house? Does the school have some kind of crazy person, working there? Do we have some kind of a Manson thing, going on?
I can't believe they have no clue who the killer is. Wow.
Could it be possible that the two girls on the bottom floor were saved due to the 911 call from the field by the frat house? Maybe the killer heard or saw the police cars got spooked and left before he could get all of his victims?
They locked their doors.
I'm abit curious about the irony of police being summoned to the frat house at the exact time of the killings. What a coincidence!
@@dianerandazzo1766 but didn't they say? That it was much later!! That calls were made to 9ll. They stated this. And the calls were made when the students got up on a lazy Sunday , late. After all partied,then crashed.
@@captainamericaamerica8090 I'm talking about the 3:00 call to police from frat party. And if the saved student didn't hear any of crime commotion; wouldn't they have awoken from commotion at the Frat House across the street!
4:37 ".....They could have been; you know, partially drinking....." "Partially Drinking" 😆
Considering the brutality of this attack. How is there not a trail of evidence by the perpetrator(s) exiting the house?
Unless that happened and the authorities haven’t released that information?
Were tracking dogs used to look for a scent/blood trail left by the killer(s) on exiting the house?
@@sandrasilva4182 good question! I did hear they “video mapped” the area with a drone.
My question is, who was Kaylee texting for so long while she and Maddie were at the food truck? They were there for awhile and other than ordering their food, Kaylee barely raised her head from the phone the whole time even to talk to her friend. What was that all about? Was she arguing with someone?
Probably texting her sister-they were very very close😒
That Joe guy who was at the truck (big dude, beard, talking to hoodie guy) said in his video that he saw Kaylee snapchatting. The police will know because they will likely have Kaylees phone.
I think there ride and telling him about the creep
@@fairyprincess911 no. Not texting her sister with her head buried in her phone. She “talked to her everyday” so nothing would be so pressing to not look up from her phone. It was a flustered guy. A jealous guy.
Has anyone said how when the front door is open, the downstairs bedrooms are “blocked” by the open door, but the stairs are fully in view and accessible.
So glad the authorities are in touch with the families. That was really bothering me.
The Le will have communication but will not give up all info. That's standard procedure.
@@janet5135 🎯
Maybe someone in the families is suspect?
That female reporter needs to learn how to pronounce the names of the victims properly.
I pray the authorities are being intentionally vague and feigning incompetence to throw the killers off. If not, I fear this won’t be solved.
A group of college kids lived together in a house, some Noice heard in the middle of the Sat. Night is not going to make these kids awake thinking a killer is in the house naturally, everyone is heavily drunk and slept soundly in their bed like nothing happen is really nothing unusual at all especially in a cold freezing winter night.
Is it a difference though between party noise or screaming in mortal angst and people fighting for their lives? sounds like the girls must have had headphones with really loud music or been drunk out of their mind to not react to it
@@rogerkjellstrom3637 I bet this killer know the best way to keep his victims quiet without making any sound.
Is their a GoFundMe set up yet?...specifically to buy that property, tear it down and have some little park/memorial put in it's place?
go ahead,,,start one
Two roomates on the ground floor hear nothing, the dog in the house doesn't bark, no forced entry, and 4 people murdered; are we looking at a professional hitman possibly paid by someone? Because what they did took skill and I'd argure experience to pull off.
nah, it could easily be explained by an inside job. someone that isn't a stranger to the area or the dog comes in, stabs 4 people then exits the same way they came in. this was late at night and people are coming and going at all times. nothing would've looked suspicious
You watch way too many crime dramas that theory doesn’t even fit the victimology. What hit man is going to kill 4 college students while they are sleeping what’s the gain this is a place similar to Wyoming it’s not Florida State where some rich kid tried to scam the colombian drug cartel OMG
This is simply somebody who has been in the house before the dog recognizes him and that’s why he doesn’t bark; this is an acquaintance murder who may not have known the exact sleeping arrangements and so he is stabbing people until he finds his intended victim. The knife is used because it’s quiet and allows him some control over the situation.
Dog was placed in empty room. Many times the sliding glass door was left open. I believe the killer may have been in that house at one time. Could of been to fix something.
@@robertbyington7715 I agree that it’s definitely someone who’s been in the house previously. They even said, it’s a “college house”, people come and go continuously. This sounds like somebody who has a thing for one of the residents of that house. This person didn’t feel those feelings in return, so more than likely it was a guy who was shot down and he then, decided to attack those who had “wronged him”, “belittled him” or stood in his way.
It has been said when the roommates went upstairs, the glass door entry was open.
That’s not true…Kaylee’s parents just said they are very upset that police are not communicating with them?? Why do a report when you don’t have accurate info??🤦🏻♀️
I’ll have to make sure to follow news that actually has up-to-date info
The 2nd floor sliding door area was very well-lit that night. Someone who was covering the case did a video at night to show how well-lit it was. It was much darker on the right side of the house (back yard) near the window with the missing screen.
And that room with the window in the dark was an unoccupied bedroom - he certainly could have come in there. I'm thinking that's where he put the dog too.
I have seen so many FBI people give their opinion about what’s going on, if you’re so intelligent, and have all the answers, solve the case
I would look into if any maintenance person was called to work on security locks to mess with them for a later return by having already access to the security codes or someone that serviced the internet or another home type of repair. They could unlock a window or door to later return. Has this been looked into?
@@Calypso231 yes I heard that but the killer would still have to deal with the automatic security locks on the individual bedroom doors.
One of the resident’s Dad had actually just changed out or worked on her lock a week or two prior to this happening from some reports I’ve seen. I think it was Xana’s Dad but I’m not sure about that detail but it was definitely one of their Dads.
With cameras everywhere how can they not know anything?
Not in hoedunk Moscow Idaho there isn't especially in a residential neighborhood
What cameras? There weren’t many.
Oh good, another former FBI agent. I can't even watch. Thank you, Law & Crime.
Haha, I know what you mean. There WAS an excellent one, however, that I watched a few days ago… Can’t remember his name or the channel.
Everybody wants answers yesterday AND we are constantly getting repetitive updates that encourage us.
Why don't they offer a reward for information leading to a arrest 🤔 ???????
Idaho University does not want reward signs posted....as it will hurt their enrollment numbers
Rewards are hardly ever paid out for one.. for two a reward doesnt need to be offered when everyone already knows who did it. Evidence is the issue here. Not a suspect.
@@buckydoedowner9040 there is no suspect
@@freeridemoto7133 yes there is, but there is a good reason he isnt being outed right now.
because they know who it is and are looking for evidence
Wow. Do we have less information now?
I never been to Idaho… Very Sorry For All of the Losses..🙏🏾
Military background. He snuck in and out undetected and killed them one by one undetected.
Idaho actually has the largest recruitment for military per capita in the US
The killer or killers is or are out there. That’s so scary and unsettling. Imagine these families mourning their loved ones and then have to fear for this murderer
There's killer's everywhere this is not a isolated or only murder case in America.
And the families don't live in Moscow. They all live between 70-300 miles away. All of us locals are mighty concerned, however.
People need to let law enforcement do their job and stop pressing for information that isn't their business.
Just like it isn't your business to tell anyone what to do.
Man you could be literally be screaming at the top of your lungs on a 2nd or 3rd floor of a house and if you’re on the 1st floor, sleeping, possibly passed out…it’s not surprising they didn’t hear anything.
Why can't they put any rewards out? It makes no sense!
Bobby Chacon Excellent ty
I think they know who did it. The rest is just a ruse while they build their case.
Steven Goncalves's constant media interviews and statements seem very odd considering police have not divulged the intricate details of their investigation. Only the Police, Pathologist, and of course the person(s) who committed the murders would only know these details. Do you not consider this very odd and out of character for a grieving parrent?
Its the stepdad? Very strange for him to think because he paid for the funeral, he "has a right," to blab about the case information. Doesn't sit right.
You aee clearly an unintelligent and unempathetic person.
@@LisaPeterson227 So Steven Goncalves is Kaylees step dad, not her biological father.,
@@HumanimalChannel I am unintelligent? Learn how to spell. Question everything and do not assume anything. From a 24-year Police Veteran.
I agree.
Definitely a male suspect, and I would say someone possibly trained in killing. They used a Ka-bar which is used in the Marines and other military forces, and they did this pretty calmly with taking 4 lives in a confined space in a short period of time.
it's ALWAYS a male suspect and when a female is involved she is always helping or working for the male suspect...
@@melodiechartier5173 there are women serial killers and murderers too. They just don’t make the main stream media.
Is it also a possibility the attacker did NOT know the home & just came across xana & ethan first looking for the other two? Joe, the guy in the food truck footage said when the “hoodie guy” told him he was making sure they got home safe & he lived near the girls.. I can see how the girls may have wanted him to tag along to the food truck since it was late & a good distance from the club but maybe somewhere in that convo, the girls said the address & that’s how “hoodie guy” knew he lived close.. I still think it’s a pretty big coincidence that whole encounter took place all while “someone else” was watching & waiting & within an hour they were killed.. & his alibi is allegedly he left from there & drove 5 hrs to his family’s home. I hope they check whatever vehicle he drove for dna evidence
One should always be suspicious if a man you don't know comes up and offers to walk you to your car or home.
He was in the house before,there's a photo of him wit xanas Teddy bear doing the rounds
The hoodie guy, John S. lives right behind the house.. John S. at this point must be suspect #1..
@@SBD722 If true, he and his parents are in Africa. (their oldest son was adopted from Kenya and I’ve read they’re involved in some sort of missionary work)
@@rainedyani8505 Looks like his parents have a lot of adopted children.. and most likely he was adopted as well..
I just feel there were two individuals on a killing thrill. the masked guy with a knife in the doorbell video gave me the chills, there are people who are very sick out in the streets.
which video ?
Ted Bundy, by himself, killed multiple nurses who shared a house by himself.
What video
I think it’s one person. Too hard to keep a secret with more.
@@Calypso231 The idea that one person couldn't have done this is ridiculous. Ted Bundy did it. That's what this has reminded me of from the start. JMO though
look at the structure of the house. the 2nd floor and 3rd floor are constructed on a back hill. it is not attached to the first floor directly. it is definitely possible not to hear anything. it's high school physics.
How did the dog not bark? Did the dog know the intruder??
i personally do believe so
I also read that breed of dog doesn’t bark much 🤷🏽♀️
@@fairyprincess911 police reported that the dog was found in a separate room with the door closed. so at the very least... the dog would have whined from being shut in. all dogs do, even when shut in by their owners. the dog wouldn't have just been okay in there for that long
Judging by the amount of blood running down the kitchen cabinets I’d say the attack started just inside that sliding door…
I think Ethan heard something and got up to check. The killer probably surprised him. He was a big guy and would've been hard to take out without a fight.
The blood on the kitchen cabinet came from the floor above
@@Naturalmushrooms I don’t think blood is going to seep through blankets then a mattress and box spring then the carpet and wood floor then the ceiling downstairs.
@@Naturalmushrooms That would not make sense. Firstly, the 3rd floor rooms are not directly over the 2nd floor rooms, but even if there’s some overlap, from what I understand, Kaylee’s bedroom was on the sliding door side, and they were apparently in Maddie’s room - on the other side of the house.
@@rainedyani8505 I think your right, Kaylee had already moved out so I doubt her room had a bed or anything left in it so they’d have had to of slept in Maddie’s room you’d think
It HAD to be someone that they knew and trusted.
Yep-now who could they know and trust who the dog would know also? Besides ex boyfriend of party buddy? Who?
I agree. Navigating through that house at night in the dark would be impossible if you hadn't been in it or snagged the layout somehow. Imo it's someone they all knew and has probably participated in vigils or gatherings. It's so terrifying to know there are people around us out there who are capable of such a senseless and horrific crimes.
The food truck video with the hooded guy is chilling!!!
And exactly who provided the food truck video that distracted folks to a suspect the police have ruled out?
@@fairyprincess911 Great point! Didn't think of that.
@@TomorrowKnocks He was stalking them. He followed them to the food truck. There is a video of Kaylee telling him FU. Yeah he's laughing and doing a "joking bow" to cover up the fact that he was humiliated by their rejection of him. A real CREEP. Who drives 5 miles to a family cabin for no reason in the middle of the night after a gruesome murder? A rejected pos who needed a place to clean himself up and hide the murder weapon, that's who.
@@cindyc6328 Thanks🙌🏽
There is no such thing as a "former" FBI Agent.
Sure there is. If you're retired or no longer employed as one.
@@charlotteruse158 I'm of the opinion that once you're in, you're in. Forever.
Yep just like you are always a teacher or Dr. Or social worker.
Why did Kaylee’s bf ignore her phone calls that night? Where was he and why didn’t he talk to her? Why did the hoodie guy follow the girls to the food truck since he didn’t order food and the girls were clearly not wanting to interact with him? Was he trying to intimidate them with his presence? Was he wanting something from them?
What I saw in the video was the girls went left on the other side of tge building while the guy walked straight ahead... this is not following. I think alarmists started saying that and it spread like wild fire.
Are the police looking into the people that were running in the background of the police footage that was released? You can see them running in the background from the direction of the house. Forward the police footage 19 minutes and 28 seconds and look at the top right corner and you can see the people running in the background.
The killer took a high risk if the Saturdays were usually busy at the house. It‘s puzzling.
Not unless the killer knew what was going on that night through texts…
The next lie is that someone actually entered and exited the home. Evidence doesn't seem to be supporting that. People need to STOP jumping conclusions that an outsider did this. Everything points to crime scene being contained in the Household.
But they said that many had the pass codes' to the doors, as it's a college party type dorm. Many come and go
Is there any info on how inebriated the victims were? And did that add to the fact of not being able to fight back?
Not Gonna find out until all the DNA gets back, all that stuff is likely at the FBI lab as they work through the autopsy evidence and the scene evidence.
If they were drunk , means they would bleed more , die quicker .If he came in while they were sleeping , they had no chance
@@mvp1116 Yeah, and they said a "Rambo" knife was used. I don't think it would be very difficult to kill 4 vulnerable sleeping students who's blood is thinned out from alcohol with a giant razor sharp blade. I also think people would be surprised with how quickly and quietly it could done also.
@@GhastlyCretin Although, I was asking myself, if I could kill 4 ppl with a knive. One, yes, sure, as maybe any adult could do, but after that 3 more? I could imagine, it takes a lot of effort to stab so many ppl and don't forget, you need to be fast to avoid being overpowered by the ones not yet attacked. It must be either one very strong man who knows, what he's doing with a knive, or even two perpetrators.
@@Mira20153 They weren't all in the same room though. It wouldn't take much effort to strike them in their necks with a giant razor sharp blade as they slept. They would only then be conscious for a few short moments and the only noises they would have made are gurgling noises which will not be enough to wake the others from their drunken slumbers.
Edit: Apologies for how brutal that sounds.
Why do Kylees parents keep saying on interviews the cops aren’t communicating with them or are being veg..
vague*
Her parents are not detectives or paid law enforcement... its pretty simple.. THEY DONT HAVE TOO and often times parents kill their children so wtf would a cop share info when there isnt a suspect in custody? Some of you people are real fckn special. lol
the cops are lying, they say one thing and then the next day they say the opposite
because the cops have no leads, no tells, or anything after 4 weeks.. they are frustrated that the information being given to them is the same as they've heard since day 1..
Because clearly they aren’t. If they were, SG would not feel compelled to speak out. (maybe they are NOW, idk)
I think they should offer a reward.
these girls look so similar, i bet the killer killed them all just to make sure he got the right girl, in the dark
Why aren't the Moscow PD reaching out to more seasoned Detectives in bigger cities, to assist? Like NYPD, LA, CHI or any other city that has alot of experience.
We don’t know they haven’t. They may not want to out everything on prime time news unlike Kaylee’s family.
HAHAHA! the fbi and state detectives are involved.. this didnt happen in one of those cities you listed( witch have the highest unsolved murder rates in the country. lmao
All those places you just mentioned have a high murder rate. There probably all super busy.
@@michaelburmudzija3584 And the highest unsolved murder rates..haha These people are super ignorant.
@@buckydoedowner9040 yeah exactly.
Supposedly the slider was left partially open as witnessed by one of the surviving roommates.
I think the killer or killers are hiding in plain sight!
Maybe even on the media in plain sight being interviewed
It takes time of course but it's not okay to have parents feeling like they are battling the police department for answers. The lead investigator should have direct communication with the family. He doesn't have to disclose exact information but he could definitely give the family more info than the public receives or at least as much. There shouldn't be a moment where the family learns new information by watching the news, it should come directly from investigators before it's ever told to the news. Seeing that the parents aren't being dealt with properly is what is making people believe the police aren't handling the entire investigation properly as well.
Maybe the family or someone in the family is suspect.
@@fairyprincess911 true but not in every family and more than one family has reported little to no communication. You're right though
100%.
This is a serial killer under the strict definition. All the victims were on the top floor. Two girls in one room, the other two in the other. The red liquid dripping down the foundation wall from the 2nd floor bedroom is heating medium for radiant floor heat. The two survivors were on the first floor, with the dog, dog sitting. The killer came in through the open sliding glass door on the second floor. The killer probably saw the lights go on and off upstairs, he may have even seen his intended target in that time, through the window. It would be worthwhile to check the router log. *Police told reporter that the red liquid was heating oil, it isn't heating oil- it is oil used to heat. It stays red, even when exposed to oxygen. It came from the floor and room where Xana and Ethan would have been, except that Kaylee had vacated her room upstairs, because she was moving out, so Kaylee was in the other room with her friend Madison and the couple were in the other heated room upstairs. The upstairs rooms were very visible from the woods. The killer would have been able to watch the 4 return 2 by 2 and where they went by watching the lights turn on and off. The Father at the memorial service spoke about the two girls dying in the same bed. Another officer familiar with the scene told a reporter that all of the victims were upstairs on the third floor. The survivors told witnesses and police that the sliding glass door was open. The dog, was uninjured, did not try to flee or bark, and was sent directly to the shelter, it was not part of evidentiary collection. As the girls planned on being out very late, it would be logical that they made arrangements for the dog to be taken care of, and it would not be likely that they would have woken up the dog-sitter to get the dog at 3 am.
This is from another commenter- "Medicina Designs 6 hours ago (edited) I think the student are talking to each other about what happened and some are sharing on social media... and on other news comments were posted that the girls downstairs could hear Xana's alarm going but they called her and she didn't answer so the roommates went up to her door which was locked so thats why they called help from friends and that they together broke open Xana's door but couldn't open it very much even with 2 pushing the door because Ethan's body was lying behind the door but when they opened it enough they saw his body was bloody/dead they freaked out and ran outside, one called 911 but fainted and a passerby came to help and picked up the cell which was still with 911 operator and that's how a "unconscious person" was the 911 call -- the other roommate was hysterical and couldn't say anything to passerby... cops came and broke down upstairs Madison's room with both girls in there since Kaylee had already moved out and was just visiting for the night... looks like the killer shut the doors behind him and so they locked (or he knew how to lock them?)"
Obviously the perp is Jack Showalter. He was rejected by the victims and seemed to be stalking them. There is a video of one of the girls pointing at him and telling him "FU" in a bar. He is an avid hunter, vicious and efficient in his animal hunts and comfortable with bloody scenes. He had the knife to do it as evidenced by photos of the knife at one of his kills. He immediately "went to a cabin 5 hours away" after the murders (to dispose of evidence? to clean himself up?) and then left the country for Africa. How convenient for him that he could do that. There is your killer. Perhaps the police know all this and are keeping it on the down low so as not to alarm the murderer that he will be caught if he returns. I believe he should be extradited.
Why wasn't there bloody footprints comming out of that house ??????
*coming...... come,,,, comma,,,,, coming
One thing that is disturbing about this case, is that whoever the killer or killers are, they are not amateurs by any means, and probably very highly intelligent. Everything about this case makes it difficult to solve, and I have a feeling the suspects knew this to begin with. I don’t think we’re dealing with your amateur disgruntled individual, this was very well carried out, which is the most terrifying part of all. Cops need to really start thinking outside the box for this case.
“Highly Intelligent” people would never commit an atrocious murder like this.. whoever did this was talented and skillful in hunting, and with the use of a knife.. and unstable/irrational enough to act on it as well..
Completely agree, they should be looking for a high functioning psychopath who is probably extremely charming and well liked.
Hmmmm who could that be, I wonder?
@@kingknights5107 I think a dog was found nearby, that skinned totally. Hunter type style😯😩
You would think there would be screams heard
Something is off.. just awful, idk
Were the other two kids really ruled out as “ppl of interest “?!.. such a sick, sad crime!
Hope they find this maniac/maniacs!!!
Prayers for the families 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
No the media has used that term but the police said and I quote "We don't think they were involved" they never said that they were eliminated or cleared as suspects.
I doubt those girls could kill all four.
It’s amazing the offender has covered his tracks so well
Or her tracks.
@@Calypso231 Is he in Tunisia now?.
Not,,,be patient
@@fairyprincess911 yes, it's possible, but humans tend to behave in certain ways. in forensics it's called MO or signature. like the FBI agent said, there was physicality involved. So you're looking for a strong individual with the self control to stay mum after the fact. Male or woman that fits this description. I'd be incredibly surprised if it was a woman who did this. Why kill 3 if Kaylee was the target (the one with the most stab wounds)? Chronic hard drug use could be involved as they can cause homicidal psychosis which would complicate things but the crime was done with no evidence left behind, which suggests a clear minded individual knew to not leave evidence behind. Someone didn't like these people, snapped, killed them, and is watching us all for entertainment.
@@ghostofvalor4349 Adrenaline rush
"Daily contact with the parents" is not true, not even close. Not sure where you got that from. Law enforcement has done a terrible job of keeping the public informed as well. This lack of transparency seems to be systemic in our culture now. YET, they want you to tell them everything you know! It don't work that way.
I mean, the police will often hold back a lot of information from the public so they can trip up the perpetrator during an interrogation. They are smart not to show all their cards.
Lol transparency of an open and very public investigation could obviously hurt the case. Think about it, what if one of the victims fathers committed the crime? Crimes very rarely are stranger on stranger. Your comment is a good example why police shouldn’t do progress reports to families during ongoing investigations.
@@GhastlyCretin That's understandable 'not to show all their cards', I agree. BUT... how about releasing some information? Why can't the 911 call be released?
The question was not what door was used to get IN; the question was if they knew of any door or window that had been left OPEN on their way OUT.
Are investigators checking with other states and districts for similar crimes?
What makes you think Jack is a serial killer? He got shot down by a chick and flipped out. Only thing we need to worry about is where Jack is and collecting the evidence to convict him.
They know there were two different murdered cases ..one in Oregon & one in Washington. Both were killed in the same manner, same time frame & same date of month.
@@buckydoedowner9040 Jack submitted DNA, and was cleared. Lesrn the facts.
@@vickimeyers2672 No he didnt, learn the facts
90% of commenters with hot take theories have never met a psychopath and it shows.
most people have not met this level of psychopathy before. that's empirical data fact. not even you. it's extremely rare.
I think he killed the other 3 people because they all came home around the same time. They probably all saw JS. His target and rage was against Kaylee. He had to kill the other 3 people because if only Kaylee was killed. The other 3 can say we encountered JS and saw him when we came home.
That’s stupidity. It’s a murder with a knife. It’s not easy to knife someone without feeling a strong personal animosity to them. Unless you’re a serial killer. If this guy was driven by his hatred for Kaylee- no way he would murder 3 more people.
No Witnesses. This kid turned into an animal (serial killer) at that very moment. And I think the couple were already home and heard what was going on one floor above and caught him at the stairs and….ya 😢
Actually. To add to that - the couple were only one floor above but they were drunk/stoned and passed out and it’s a party house
@@user-yk5lv8iw8x They all came home around the same time. I am saying what happens if they all happen to see JS around the house. If he only killed the 2 girls since they were in the same bed. Xana and Ethan could have said they came home around such a time and remembers seeing JS around the house. I am guessing on that all of them saw JS and he killed all the witnesses.
@@demijour1234 If they knew he was in the house- for sure they would have alerted the other 2 or even dialed 911. And if they’re already sloshed- the killer could have easily gotten away unnoticed after killing the girls. Gutting 4 people to death cos you’re mad at one of them is really unlikely.
"...right now, the very latest is they continue getting tips and investigating...."
but they continue to have nothing
as the case grows as cold as the weather
Just because someone is former FBI or former any LE doesn’t mean they know anything ~ Ken Mains unsolved no more .
ppl shouldn't say "former", "retired agent" suffices
when they went from the food van to their house late at night. wasnt there any camera in the area that could have showed someone following them to their house? and how long after they were at the food van did they get killed?
I feel like with all the houses and apartments around them that someone has to have some kind of surveillance or security cameras
John S. was the hoodie guy following them out of the food truck video, and he lived right behind their house.. and at this point he’s the suspect #1..
"how does nobody hear anything"... dude obviously never partied in his life. lol
I don't think I'm the only one who can frequently sleep through my alarm going off loud as heck right next to my head. Ill turn it off and not even remember so I can absolutely believe someone on a floor below a crime happening could sleep through it.
Yeah, and they were most likely intoxicated. I'm the same age as them and I can sleep through anything when I've had a few
@@TexDex_ Exactly! I'm 34 but, I've always slept like that lol
So far it's not apparent that the police are going to solve this. It seems like it's amaturish at best.
Why is there no reward?
I strongly dislike this question about "how did the roommates not hear anything" - they are NOT TO BLAME! Just stop asking the question.
Puzzling murders. Hope for quick justice
This still doesn't make sense. While killing the first two then there are 4 people that should have or could have heard screams
Uhhh Steve is the one saying the police never reach out to them so not sure where she’s getting her info…
Unfortunately the roommates lack of awareness probably let the killer slip through the cracks. Usually police are able to set up a perimeter and track the person by scent. It’s a lot harder to get away with a murder when police are looking for you in the immediate aftermath.
That is no excuse.
So.... It's the roommates fault???
@@ElizabethSanchez-sb5ul well no, but it’s obviously complicated the investigation. There were no witnesses, so if the forensic evidence is a dead end, the chances of ever apprehending someone is drastically reduced.
Can police give the people of interest in the case lie detector tests?
Lmfao psuedo science
They can't force anyone to take one. They're also notoriously unreliable and the results generally aren't accepted as evidence in court. In the rare cases they are, it requires the person who took the test to agree to allowing the results be used as evidence.
@@vshazam they have been used for decades and have been most useful in pointing Police in the right direction.
@@marthienel2190 they've been dwindling in use in investigations because, again, they're unreliable and generally not admissible evidence on court.
They're only useful if the suspect feels law enforcement are closing in on them, it can sometimes force a confession. There's been no recent case that hinged on a polygraph test.
In the day of emails cell phones...texts etc... they should know in a few days what happened... Likely there would've been multiple troubling communications with the perp before this crime... I love how the media tries to mystify everything...this is why most murders go unsolved...everythings covered up and swept away
How come the dog wasn’t alarmed. ?
One thing is for sure : that house will not be sold or used for a long time.