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Excellent video!! Not only do you cover the intricacies of Ikkyo, you cover all the component concepts like Otoshi, Atemi, using Tsugi Ashi to maintain Mai and how you need to adapt to your ukes.
thank you Jes, appreciate the kind words. If there's anything you'd like to see in future drop it in the comments we have access to a lot of very experienced people in our humble little NZ group!
In our Iwama Dojo we have a kohai who is around 2.05 m and 105 kg working as a security guard. We always like to train with him since we need to do 'things differently' to make the techniques work. Good video sensei..
Great question Daniel, and the answer is basically no. Someone this tall striking down would pose a lot of problems, and ikkyo would be waaay down the list of appropriate solutions I suspect. The bigger question is does anyone actually attack in the way if shomenuchi in reality? When people fought with swords sure, but open hand striking is either a jab, cross, roundhouse uppercut hook etc, never the straight down open hand we see in shomenuchi, so I'd not be too concerned about it tbh.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE I pretty much agree with your points about hanmi-handachi, suwari waza and things like shomenuchi not being 'modern day practical'; however, if you eliminate everything not immediately practical from keiko, we won't have much left in aikido, I fear.... (my knees are shot too, so I also avoid shikko, suwariwaza and even seiza as much as possible; but next is no longer doing ukemi, then no longer doing immobilisation holds, ... I still do what I can)
Exactly. You do what you can, and add or remove what you need to to make the art relevant for your needs. Blindly following a syllabus just for tradition's sake in the age of limitless information is illogical. Welcome to the channel BTW!
Very good question and often something people experience with Ikkyo the first time they put it under pressure. Key biomechanics are: 1. Keep the shoulder LOWER than the hand 2. Keep the balance taking movement going down the arm AWAY from their spine 3. DO NOT go to your knees as per the basic/classical kata - keep standing and use the hip and otoshi (body drop) to keep their balnce THROUGH their shoulder and into their point of Kuzushi, this loads their feet stopping them from rollng and allows you direct connection between your hips and arm (which ultimately connects to their spine via 'rasen' )> If all else fails use your knee or a snap kick to ribs or nearest leg as atemi, this will often forstall them attempting to roll out.
@@vano-559 Maybe - TBH it wouldnt surprise me. Suwari waza is largely irrelevant nowadays apart from as a hip exercise, as even people in japan don't always sit on the floor. For Westerner's its pretty pointless I think. We'd be better off trying to train from a chair or similar?
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE actually suwari allow to exclude three joints from body movement and ease learning of locks. No wonder that first techniques from Budo Renshu as well as Takumakai Soden are suwari. Ideas of four locks learned in simple way could be translated to any situation.
You could indeed, however hanmi handachi is a bit redundant as a training method nowadays I think, why bother to apply technique from that position when you can simply stand up? If you lived in feudal japan and couldnt stand higher than your superior This had social validity but it's not relevant in modern day new Zealand lol.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE yes, but hanmi handachi teaches you to generate power without relying on your legs to do it. It teaches effective hip movement, as well as learning to bring uke down to your level. There's more to it than 'nobody kneels down anymore.'
But you can train those principles in far more practical ways. Hamni handachi is redundant as a modern training method. I'd much rather my students learned to stay on their feet where possible.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE I'll admit it's not my favourite thing to do, but i'm hesitant to dismiss training principles 'because I know better'. I've written off certain aspects of training or techniques for years before one day realising 'ohhh, that's what that's for.'
Many traditional practices like this are useful for training principles, but often there are more relevant pragmatic and practical training regimes that's offer the same benefits whilst also being realistic
Hah! I know the feeling. As a 6'4" aikidoka it's tedious always being the tallest person at practice. My first thought when I see someone taller than me off the mat is "I wish they practiced aikido so I could do an easy shihonage for once." :)
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Appreciate all the information so freely shared here, and the honest and open approach.
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Excellent video!! Not only do you cover the intricacies of Ikkyo, you cover all the component concepts like Otoshi, Atemi, using Tsugi Ashi to maintain Mai and how you need to adapt to your ukes.
thank you Jes, appreciate the kind words. If there's anything you'd like to see in future drop it in the comments we have access to a lot of very experienced people in our humble little NZ group!
It is so cool to have a tall person in your group.
Totally, it's great to have a variety of body shape to test and adapt techniques and strategies.
In our Iwama Dojo we have a kohai who is around 2.05 m and 105 kg working as a security guard. We always like to train with him since we need to do 'things differently' to make the techniques work. Good video sensei..
great asset!
Thanks for this!
You're most welcome Michael.
Superb deep dive into the "10-year technique." Thank you, Sensei.
You're most welcome, as always !
I hope this is useful for everyone, even if it simply provides some talking points.
100%
an ikkyo video that also teaches many key fundamentals, well presented thank you
Really enjoyed this thank you guys
Our pleasure Rick
Great video, lots to unpack thank you
feel free to drop questions in the comments
insightful
Domo
The big dude appears around 4;10 if you're wondering lol - great video tho thank you
Thanks lol
Can you show this from shomen attack. I'm guessing it would be alot more difficult on someone tall
Great question Daniel, and the answer is basically no. Someone this tall striking down would pose a lot of problems, and ikkyo would be waaay down the list of appropriate solutions I suspect. The bigger question is does anyone actually attack in the way if shomenuchi in reality? When people fought with swords sure, but open hand striking is either a jab, cross, roundhouse uppercut hook etc, never the straight down open hand we see in shomenuchi, so I'd not be too concerned about it tbh.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE totally agree.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE I pretty much agree with your points about hanmi-handachi, suwari waza and things like shomenuchi not being 'modern day practical'; however, if you eliminate everything not immediately practical from keiko, we won't have much left in aikido, I fear.... (my knees are shot too, so I also avoid shikko, suwariwaza and even seiza as much as possible; but next is no longer doing ukemi, then no longer doing immobilisation holds, ... I still do what I can)
Exactly. You do what you can, and add or remove what you need to to make the art relevant for your needs. Blindly following a syllabus just for tradition's sake in the age of limitless information is illogical. Welcome to the channel BTW!
Very cool video. this clarified a lot for me, and boy that guy is tall!! Or are you short? LOL
both
Ikkyo is all about having access to the underside of the elbow. It's actually easier for nage to gain this access if they're shorter than uke.
You should post a video demonstrating what you mean by that.
Any differences you can apply in this technique to keep them from rolling forward? Noticed I was able to roll out of a similar arm takedown
Very good question and often something people experience with Ikkyo the first time they put it under pressure.
Key biomechanics are:
1. Keep the shoulder LOWER than the hand
2. Keep the balance taking movement going down the arm AWAY from their spine
3. DO NOT go to your knees as per the basic/classical kata - keep standing and use the hip and otoshi (body drop) to keep their balnce THROUGH their shoulder and into their point of Kuzushi, this loads their feet stopping them from rollng and allows you direct connection between your hips and arm (which ultimately connects to their spine via 'rasen' )>
If all else fails use your knee or a snap kick to ribs or nearest leg as atemi, this will often forstall them attempting to roll out.
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How big is he?
watch the video Reg lol 2.1m
To simulate big difference in height you don't have to look for such tall Uke. Just try ikajo in hanmihandachi.
unless of course your knees are knackered lol
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE sure. Heard that Nishio Budo don't have kneeling techniques 'cause of that with only one exception.
@@vano-559 Maybe - TBH it wouldnt surprise me. Suwari waza is largely irrelevant nowadays apart from as a hip exercise, as even people in japan don't always sit on the floor. For Westerner's its pretty pointless I think. We'd be better off trying to train from a chair or similar?
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE actually suwari allow to exclude three joints from body movement and ease learning of locks. No wonder that first techniques from Budo Renshu as well as Takumakai Soden are suwari. Ideas of four locks learned in simple way could be translated to any situation.
@@vano-559 Yes that's a nice progression
SENSEI - I would weigh down his leaning foot and over-extend him down before anything else - and then do regular ikiyo while he is on his knees.
yep you could, also make a kick to the groin to make him double over would help, lots of options but still tricky against one so tall
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE yes i found it a tall student challenge. the more i learn the less i know-hehe.
You could just train this from hamni handachi in pretty much anyone, and you'd have the height differential you're after, right?
You could indeed, however hanmi handachi is a bit redundant as a training method nowadays I think, why bother to apply technique from that position when you can simply stand up? If you lived in feudal japan and couldnt stand higher than your superior This had social validity but it's not relevant in modern day new Zealand lol.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE yes, but hanmi handachi teaches you to generate power without relying on your legs to do it. It teaches effective hip movement, as well as learning to bring uke down to your level. There's more to it than 'nobody kneels down anymore.'
But you can train those principles in far more practical ways. Hamni handachi is redundant as a modern training method. I'd much rather my students learned to stay on their feet where possible.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE I'll admit it's not my favourite thing to do, but i'm hesitant to dismiss training principles 'because I know better'. I've written off certain aspects of training or techniques for years before one day realising 'ohhh, that's what that's for.'
Many traditional practices like this are useful for training principles, but often there are more relevant pragmatic and practical training regimes that's offer the same benefits whilst also being realistic
He’s bigger than me. Booking a ticket. Wanna come play with him.
Hah! I know the feeling. As a 6'4" aikidoka it's tedious always being the tallest person at practice. My first thought when I see someone taller than me off the mat is "I wish they practiced aikido so I could do an easy shihonage for once." :)
He's got a couple of inches on you mate for sure.
@@gregbarton1970 :)
Wow that guy's like 7 foot 4. lol
And he's only 18, still growing!