This Private School Trains Student “Warriors” To Swarm An Active Shooter (VICE on HBO)
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- In the wake of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, last Wednesday, schools and state legislatures around the country are grappling with how to protect the lives of their students.
But more than five years before a 19-year-old former student killed 17 at the Florida school, Pastor Larry Allen, a a superintendent in Albuquerque, New Mexico, took a radical approach to preparing his school for potential gun violence.
In a Season One episode of VICE on HBO, correspondent Thomas Morton visited Allen's school, the New Life Baptist Academy, to talk to the pastor, a former cop, and his wife about the training they require students undergo.
In addition to active shooter training for every student from kindergarten through 12th grade, a group of select upperclassmen also receive tactical training, designed to help them stop a gunman. They're called the Pastor's Warriors.
New Life Baptist Academy's 20 teachers also have at least five loaded handguns divvied up between them.
In the wake of last week's tragedy, pro-gun groups like “Florida Carry,” along with public voices such as Rush Limbaugh and several Republican senators, want to pass emergency legislation to allow all public school teachers to bring concealed firearms to their classrooms for defense.
But many of those who witnessed the massacre of their friends and loved ones in Parkland think enough is enough. More guns is simply more violence, not more safety. Students even held a "lie-in" on Monday in front of the White House, where demonstrators called for tougher gun control laws to help make schools safer.
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In the wake of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, last Wednesday, schools and state legislatures around the country are grappling with how to protect students.
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VICE News this school is literally challenging shooters to seek them out. I wouldn't be surprised if something bad happens there.
The moment i hear years of training that armed police get. dont you mean a dozen weeks and then on the job probation
A Spouse of a Police is a qualification to carry a firearm?
"The greatest country God has ever given man on Earth"
In what other country you get to compete on the mass shootings world record? other countries are either everyone is not armed, or war zones where everyone is prepped and armed to the teeth. Greatness is all about the freedom to break records and top scores.
Dear Big Brother (FBI, NSA, Google, or whom ever powerful enough to screw up my life), I'm not condoning violence, killing is NOT cool. Even though you creep (big brother) think it's fun and badass, I actually don't. The insensitive comment above is something called sarcasm. To use sarcasm I encode a reasonable serious message in the comment using deceptive statements usually a mix of false, stupid, and nonsense. The majority don't bother but if the reader shares enough relevant background, then they will decode the message and get mildly amused. Background are things like cognitive ability, topics of interest, cultural references, opinions, etc..
Then there are people who take the comment literally, this intervention starts a contraversial and complicated game of deception called trolling; all you need to know that it takes 2, and could start intentionally (using troll baits and counter-baits) or accidentally.
There are 3 intersecting catogories of users who take dumb internet comments seriously:
1- digital immigrants: usually old or new internet users, they hear about knowledge on internet and think the internet is like a university or a library, this cute type is endangered but they have a big reservation in Facebook.
2- Idiots: they just can't understand, some are counter baiting trolls, both friendly and hostile, these are everywhere.
3- psychos (most dangerous): just unpredictable and love to take it personally and unnecessarily mix internet with reality, their main hobby is once they take it personally to do you damage by any means necessary: reporting, death threats, faking interaction, and if they have power over you(you're screwed), these are powerful and growing group that is ruining the internet on everyone.
So my top comment is made to satirize the obsessed sports coverage of mass shootings: doing ranking and stats of victim count, what and how weapons used, people paying attention to this shitbag and his background story even starting his own Wikipedia page, while victims portraited as exhibit pictures (something like trophies), only remembered by their mourners. A school massacre is a school massacre, statistics and details only glorifies the shitbag and doesn't change my feelings about it. isn't that disturbing.
Would be great if you could share this video as well regarding shootings: th-cam.com/video/zVXHHrkS1S4/w-d-xo.html
Other schools: *Praying they’ll survive*
This school: *Praying they don’t waste to many rounds*
They're giving students guns? Who thought of that zero intelligence idea? They're basically turning USA schools into a wild west where anybody can just shoot anybody. School shooters can't just be the only problem. Kids who behave in a rowdy way can also form groups that target others using their guns.
@@cedricmanalastasbaltazar5515 Watch the video
“oh please take my purse. And they’re dead meat” I love her
Star Gaming i was laughing so hard
Killing somebody just because they want to take your purse is pure excess. If all the person wants is the purse just give it to them. It's just a purse after all. If he's obviously planning on killing you to get the purse you should shoot of course.
lol i wouldnt trust her with a gun
Usually if they’re trying to take your purse they have a gun soooo
It seems funny and cute and all, but if she pulled a concealed weapon on a robber and said that, she would be the one who would wind up getting prosecuted.
There's a book available on Amazon that explains FL gun laws very plainly.
If you live here, it's a must read even if you don't carry.
It's unfortunate the ways the gun laws are written here, but they really compel gun owners who don't want to go to jail to shoot to kill.
Even a warning shot can get you 20 years mandatory in this state.
Not so funny or cute.
A gun free zone is far more of a "false sense of security" than training kids how to survive and fight in a shooter situation.
omfg hard agree, it may seem safer to them but a shooter will always attack an unarmed populus
Why do children need to worry about life and death, this is a school!!
have you not heard of the hundreds of school shootings that have happened?
@@nataliep9651 because there are bad guys and occasionally they visit schools. Dont be naive
in the age of the internet, anyone who really wants a gun, can easily buy one; anonymously. Its called the darkweb.
If a student desperately wants to kill people at his school, hes got a good chance of getting there.
These kids will increase overall security on the compound- as long as they are properly told how to handle guns safely.
Greetings from Switzerland, the most armed country of Europe.
We also rank as the lowest by firearm related killing in all of europe.
Dont be naive: Trust yourself, at least as much as you would trust a police officer. Get a gun, lets see if your overall safety decreases!
“We are getting ready to die” “kindergarten year old me: TAKE JIMMY HE DID NOT DO HIS HOMEWORK
Actually real.
BAHAHAHA
"They are training these kids to be vigilantes."
When you can't depend on the deputies, you need vigilantes.
Jfreek5050 lol, oh yeah. I would absolutely hate to be a dreaded vigilante and wait to be shot and bleed out while the police take 10 minutes to even get to the school.
But when a vigilante does something wrong there is no way to regulate them or bring them to justice. That is the good and bad thing about a police force, -- hands are tied, but they're also held accountable.
Jfreek5050 Vigilantes no simply they will not be victims.That lady thinks we are to be victims and only the police shall act in defense. Plus does she take in account some could very well be veterans.
A vigilante take the law into his own hands. Defending yourself is not the same thing.
Self defenders.... not vigilantes...
"They're training kids to actually be vigilantes"
Vigilantes? Where? This is OBVIOUSLY self defense.
tummy rupples don't you know stopping yourself from being murdered is bad...
Lol.
@@cooliofresh9600 me to bro me to
@WierdBtothers whoosh
She's an idiot.
She brings a gun and a dog to school nice
@James Franko glad to help! 😊
@James Franko lol is that the only rifle you guys know???
@James Franko lol no but that's all I hear everywhere. AR15 "ASSAULT RIFLES"
MOTORCYCLES ANDGUNS it is the most popular
@James Franko whars wrong you scared of some one stopping a shooting . does that go against your narrative of banning all guns🤔
"Years of training police get" pretty sure police training is 8 months long. That's less time then military or armed security guards training. I believe this is going to be the future of schools. "Id rather my kids die fighting then lay down and die" AGREED!
Police get training in the field for a year after that
@@oliverbennett7431 Sthu
Sthu
And the 8 months of training is not all offensive and defensive gun fighting
It's called fighting back and not being a sheep and waiting to be slaughtered.
shittyG1 Exactly
If you dont want to be a sheep to slaughter maybe stay away from the factory farm they take all your kids to.
Takyr Dai Leaving the kids ignorant just like you? No thanks. Education isn't the cause of violence, it's lack of discipline and so forth from their parents.
Someone plays For Honor lol
shittyG1 you are right,but alot of leftist feel it will cause more shootings rofl
"at the end of the day, you cannot substitute for the years of training that armed police officers get..."
What about that sheriff's deputy that decided to stand outside of the school while all those kids were being murdered?
Charlie Kroupa Liberals give way to much credit to law enforcement training.
I know. Also, It's like these anti-gunners think zero training and just waiting to be killed is somehow a better option. Insanity.
weeral1 Liberalism is a mental disorder. A complete lack of logical thought, and a perpetual state and desire of masochist victim Hood.
chris L lol....gun free zone ones?
Even worse, we now know there were FOUR officers outside and did not go in to engage the shooter because of their departments policy. So much for police protection.
That school is pretty god damn safe, I'd feel really safe.
@Y A M A 山
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Keep living in a fantasy. Kindergarten kids can't be that strong and disciplined. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Vigilantes take the law into their own hands & actively seek out criminals to punish. These children are learning how to protect themselves when they are threatened. Which is not only legal, but an inherent right that we all have. If it weren't a Christian school and staffed with liberals then Vice probably would've been calling them heroes. Why on Earth someone would have a problem with training students so that they know how to react to a shooter in their school is beyond me. It's amazing how people like this will use these school shootings to further their own agenda. They talk about how shootings are becoming more frequent and know something must be done, but they take issue with this school drilling it's students for this scenario & giving them knowledge that could save their lives if it ever happens at their school. It's a great idea, but Vice doesn't approve so they try to paint all these law abiding people, that are only trying to protect these kids, as 1 step away from a criminal by calling them vigilantes. Why would people like Randi Weingarten oppose teaching children what to expect & how they might survive if they're in a school shooting? Not try to prepare them at all? She even said that schools are very safe & it's a really rare occurence too. She said "by & large we don't have intruders walking into schools." Thomas Morton just gave the statistic that the odds of being in a school shooting are about the same as being struck by lightning. So that solves the gun control debate. Violent shootings at school are not much of a problem. I mean, don't those points kind of take the wind outta gun grabbers' sails?
You can't substitute years of training, but you can give the students and staff a fighting chance of survival
That lady has no idea how many freshly graduated officers come out of the academy every year with only a few months of training of the lowest standards in marksmanship.
Excalibur01 You are 100% correct, liberals have no idea how little training, and practice cops have.
You can wait for same armed officers that stood outside while kids where being murdered in parkland.
Seriously, I don't know why that concept does not click for this woman...sad
First off...self defense is not vigilantism. It is a clearly defined natural right protected under the constitution, and as such should be taught in schools.
Second,
"Police are the best trained shooters in America"
We are so doomed. I have personally, while standing next to the officer, watched him take 5 shots from less then 10 feet (with a weapon with a Lazer sight) to put a deer out of its misery.
This was not a stress situation. He was calm and unhurried, after the 2nd shot I started feeling bad about calling the cops. The idea here was to END it's suffering.
I have shot with cops, I have had to teach cops to clean their service weapons, I have had to teach/explain to cops the ballistic characteristics of the caliber they carry.
So I can tell you that the average cop, is just as clueless about guns and shooting as the average person on the street.
gene jeffries
Completely agree. As a former active Marine, I find police officer arms training to be atrocious! I too thought they were trained. If your not SWAT or RRT (rapid response teams), then most have minimal at best training. Infantry and special force service members have a 1000x’s more training. Next to that, civilians-because they care enough to want to be knowledgeable about guns and self defense, so they actively seek training.
As for the anti-gun comments in this film, they’re flat out LIARS, either willingly lying to the public or too ignorant to look up the facts and statistics that show training in weapons and self defense increases your chances of survival. Why do you think the IDPA, Two-gun and Three-gun competitions are so popular now? And, most of those are taught by prior military or law enforcement with SWAT backgrounds.
gene jeffries the most well trained people with firearms are actually military members. I was in the army and we have more training than police. Police get training too, but military has way more training. I have friends that are police officers
Actual training and drills provide a "False sense of security"... as if a "Gun-Free Zone" sign provides all the necessary security to protect life. LOL! What a joke.
The sign is all mighty and powerful!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
PRAISE THE ALMIGHTY SIGN
my man rocking that 1911
JeremyPorridge that’s not a 1911
*plays call of duty once*
*thinks he has comprehensive gun knowledge*
it's a 1911 style handgun, just a different brand. same caliber, same operation system, different brand.
ClickPond no its not. it is a S&W 1006 in 10mm completely different caliber and gun
but it operates on the same system. also i agree, i'd much rather carry a glock
Ther should be a self defense class in school. Just like any other class like math or history, and kinda like gym class, but just teaching students to protect themselves.
Miles Lange Mabye a gym unit but not class
SirSweiss
wrong, my school has a martial arts class that counts as an “art” so it is the same as dancing or music classes in the sense of benefits.
You also learn discipline and in my classes we were taught how to disarm gunman.
it should be OFFERED, NOT REQUIRED!
Indeed but people these days in america are pussys
True but there's a difference between bravery and skills. You can't learn bravery from taking combat classes. It's gonna come from deep within yourself but it's really gonna be difficult.
So these combat classes you are talking about won't help that much.
The drill attack was over so quickly. If everyone is coordinated and trained like this, then that would make for a lot less casualties.
If every school prepared like this, why would a shooter want to even try?
What happens if there's multiple shooters though?
It was well coordinated. But only because this situation was announced, everyone was ready and new what to do. That situation will never happen in real life, people will die. Kids mostly. But I get where they are coming from, better be prepared somehow even if won't be as effective in real life. It's a reactive solution, where are the proactive solutions that would help prevent a situation like that from happening? For example: Guards, better mental health care, better gun laws...
good point question, but if there is people dog piling both of them?
Would be deaths, but a lot fewer than just running away.
Rarely will there be multiple school shooters. Usually psychopaths tend to work alone.
j v "everyone was ready and knew what to do." That's kinda the point of these drills, or any drills for that matter. if you ever practiced anything, martial arts, sports... you'll know that in the end it all becomes muscle memory. You don't analyze it, you don't get scared, you don't think "what if" like some couch potatoes with a lot of time on their hands, you act on an impulse without even thinking about it - you just act.
This is their last line of defense, first is armed guards, second is armed teachers and if everything fails, they simply say "don't be lambs waiting to get slain, do something and most of you will live". Ask any of the parents of the kids who died in the recent school shooting, what they wouldn't give that their kid was in this school and trained for that kinda situation. I think we all know the answer to it.
100% agree with this school's training, keep it up!
let´s make it 80ish or something. Nothing can be perfect ;D
@@DerAykac sthu
This is simply awesome. I agree 100 % with the pastor, "If I'm will die anyway, I will go out fighting".
This is from 2013. I remember watching this on HBO.
horchatax3 thank you!!! Please always try to hide the truth!
Vice is owned by alcoholics and reported by potheads. How much effort did you expect? All they do is clickbait and re-uploads anymore.
well. surely it's more relav=ant now since trump talked about arming the teacher.
Tom Walker III They disclose in the description it's from Season one...
i remember it too
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Please learn the difference between 'Their', 'They're', and 'There.'
That is all.
Sean Harrison I admire your campaign, but they're never gonna do it.
How ‘bout apostrophe usage?
Max Otto
It does matter. When you start blurring the lines on the meaning of words, misunderstandings are much more likely. While he can understand what someone is saying when they misuse "there", it doesn't mean he should ignore it. Doing so simply lowers the efficacy of words in a world where the intentions of people are already misinterpreted rather frequently.
Lolol welcome to youtube
Owzmo
It hurt a LOT, actually...LOL
But they're are just too many people out their who don't read there own sentences before clicking "Reply".
Their training kids to defend themselves. That woman who said their being taught to be vigilantes is eating plant based yogurt and denying vaccines😂
This isn’t a movie this is real life
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I'm gonna go ahead and just say what I think here. I'm a voting democrat but honestly, this is fine. This is the USA. We have private schools like this so people can do what they want. Let them. I don't have to agree with everything people do here, that is the beauty of my country. If this works good, if not that's sad, but it's none of my business.
Personally I do think this is better than the current "training" students receive for emergency situations like this. Pile in at the back of the room and crouch down like a coward waiting to get shot? No thanks. I'd rather die trying to live.
DEMOCRATS ARE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. THEY'RE AGAINST ARMED SECURITY.
MOTORCYCLES ANDGUNS Wow...pretty narrow minded comment. You have someone with a different ideology opening their mind to people arming themselves. Your response is “You’re the reason for mass shootings”. One of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read on TH-cam.
Yeah, I'd rather barricade myself in a cinder block room than willing stand in someone's line of fire.
And when the police do eventually show up, how are they supposed to tell who is the school shooter vs who is just defending themselves?
"Training kids to be vigilantes" Really? I didn't know teaching kids how to protect themselves and others was a bad thing.
My PE class was the most useless class I ever took. Literally sat in a gym for an hour and half and did nothing. Sometimes we did some actual physical activities.
Its a good thing that they teach the students how to fight and face adversity.
Vigilantes? I'm pretty sure they know the definition to that word.
No. They are wrong. Protecting your life or other's lives isn't just the job of law enforcement. It is our god given right to protect ourselves if we so choose to.
They would be right if protecting yourself or other's was the job of only law enforcement.
But I could be wrong. Do you believe law enforcement should be the only ones to protect people by attacking immediate threats?
Bruce Luxemburg the issue is not that they are teaching kids to protect themselves, it's that, first off, why should kids have to put them selves in more danger if a shooter does come into a school and also arming teachers increased the numbers if rounds being fired around the school if a shooter is on the premises, most walls between classrooms are dry wall and if a teacher misses that bullet is going straight through a wall into another classroom. The answer to school shootings is proper prevention not some shitty plaster that might save a couple of lives and could just as easily end up with more injured or worse
Solomon Aveyard
They are already forced to fight or die... Without this training. Even with "more extreme gun control measures" they would still have to fight or die. It is the only thing anyone cam do in such a situation. Be more open minded kn such a mentality. I would suggest you watch terror at the mall. A documentary about a mass shooting from armed terrorist in Nairobi.
Bruce Luxemburg sounds fun honestly.
I'm as liberal as they come but I'm siding with conservatives on this one. If a teacher is properly train and wants to carry to protect children then why stop them?
I don't believe we should train children to engage shooters either. The only part I agree with is letting teachers carry if the so please.
Luis D. Not all kids are going to be mature and responsible enough to carry firearms in a building with hundreds of other kids. This probably the worst day idea I've heard.
Watch it again and look closely. They aren't training children to engage, they are training high-school level students. These students are in their mid to late teens and near the same age as many of history's mass school murderers. I think this is an excellent program of instruction and it teaches that your inaction could cost others their lives, and doesn't guarantee your own. Of course, I think they should include the Jiu Jitz' also, but no program of instruction is perfect, I guess.
Mitchell so for instance, comparatively. Do you think a kid who is facing a viscous dog that is attacking should not fight back? Or if he is out hiking one day and gets jumped by a Bobcat; should not fight back? Just lay down and take it.... The training was not to teach the kids to roam the halls perusing a gun man, it was to teach them that it is better to die fighting than to die cowering. And if they worked as a team they could actually save their own lives.
"And find out how unstable they are when it's too late? Or that their weapon goes off accidentally? Or discovered by a student? What could possibly go wrong?"
This mindset I will never understand, do you realize how many around you on a daily basis are armed and no accidents happen? And I got news for you, in this climate and with all the copy cats I am willing to bet there are already a number of education employees who carry on the job.
But in the crazy liberal mind you should just lie down and be a victim, pea your pants and hope the shooter hates the smell of pea.
If you want to be a victim then by all means be a victim, I refuse to be one.
I like this school all of the sudden
you probably know why
2:03 to 2:25 that was some MGS shit xD
Metal Gear 2 alert music starts playing.
I don't see why people are knocking this idea. Perhaps this private school is overboard, but as the reporter said, he didn't gain much from regular PT in school, this could actually be useful even tho the situation being entertained is unlikely. Lol, I would have rather done this than play dodgeball or walk the track during gym. Even basic training or planning a few times a year can help prevent tragedy. The same line of reasoning can be applied to fires in schools, as the one instructor stated. You don't have to teach people to be rambos in order to be preventive; Bratton's argument against this is absolutely absurd.
there not being trained to be vigilantes... there being trained to defend them self and others in danger that other wise might die. police still take around time to get there and by that time a gun man can kill many of them. Public schools should be doing this.
Only America. Children being trained to be like soldiers.
@@througheverything Training them like soldiers is better then having the mentality that nothing could ever happen.I'd rather be trained to deal with this situation then it not happen then to not train and it happening.
New account Of course it’s better. But it should never be the case. In any other country children can have their childhoods.
I might actually choose to be a vigilante but i dont kill:)
12:24 that was kinda proven when that brave student jumped at the shooter in the colorado shooting. It cost him his life but he saved the others in his class. Rest well
When that New York cop said cops are the best trained in America I knew he was lying immediately
This is fucking AMAZING...shootings happen in gun-free zones. Unfortunately and being REALISTIC, people who intend harm WILL commit harm no matter what bans, legislations, etc are placed. The only thing that will take down bad people with firearms are good people with firearma or AT LEAST the proper training against it. The left and all those against firearms will remain against it until they are in a gun-free zone where someone is shooting. Those against firearms are those who are uneducated on them, have never been in the scenario or have never handled one. I 100% approve on this as an Army Veteran OEF-OIF '14-'15
_PanDart couldnt have said it any better man .
The left argument: But the kids might accidentally shoot each other, so we need to throw that plan out the window.
How can anyone be against this? It takes the cops a minimum of 5 min to get there after the first call, which probably happens around 1 min after the first shots are fired. If teachers carry weapons, they can respond immediately. Dozens of lives can be saved if you can respond in 1-2 min instead of 5-10min.
God bless these techers and principal. They are wonderful.
40 seconds in. The principal is firing a weapon without looking down the sights, looking like she's terrified of it, and then whips it out an points it at everyone around her... ahh yes the training shows
It's a shame that programs like this need to exist; but this program is necessary none the less. I hope that more institutions implement this type of training.
No your adrenaline would not overpower your training,your training will now become instinct and you will proceed with your training as your mind will immediately think"oh i know this i know what to do"
6:04 “right on top of his foot...broke that” I’m ded 😂
"My response in high school would have probably been to go fetal,"
...I get the feeling that'd be his response to a lot of things.
A false sense of security randy? Just like how telling people to hide under a desk in the fetal position ? I rather take my chances fighting an active shooter than just sitting there waiting to die
The merc with a mouth I agree telling people to hide under a desk and curl up and hope they're not killed is no better than the Duck and Cover of the 1950s and 60s. Unlike with nuclear weapons it is relatively easy, relatively inexpensive and relatively quick to take yourself from someone who is defenseless to train and to become someone who is capable of Defending themselves from an armed threat.
Truth
you wouldn't 😂
easily said than done
More like a survival instincts, keep yourself low and nonthreatening in a hope that they will pass you by, you charge a shooter you are the first one to go. If a group charges well a few people will die but the others might take him down. All depends on the situation, their position and your position.
cops dont get "years of training" they are lucky to shot 500 round a year i shot that in a month
C Moore-Maryland state trooper gets 30ish out of 600 hrs at academy in firearms. While some train on their own, they are still just people who skill levels n training varies widely.
Most police academies fire 5,000 rounds and 5,000 shells throughout firearms training within the 6 months of academy. Congrats on your 500 in 1 month.
@@NinjallenC Shells? So they only train exclusively with a duty pistol and a shotgun?
@@1FireyPhoenix For training during academy, yes. Other academies throughout the country may differ, but for sure they train handgun and shotgun minimum.
Speech 100
4 years of highschool training does not equal police training ? what ? and shes a teacher? who electected her leader of her union?
Chris C
Shit there's some inner city schools that probably teach you to fight better than most police academies.
God bless you! Wish we had more people like you - Please continue the great work you're doing!
THIS school has it RIGHT!!!!!!!
Bruce Forster......ikr
No
Tanglee squid yes
ElectroWolf why
Tanglee squid meet force with force
I like the lady at the beginning. She’s feisty.
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen! As a retired school teacher, I regret my former school never adopted a realistic plan to respond to armed threats.
Now this is amazing. All of these hours spent in training and preparedness will be helpful in one way or another to someone in the future. And for the present, wonderful way to protect the little angels as well as those voices of knowledge- the teachers.
And i must say the principle and her husband are amazing people!!
7:33 Vigilantes???? Um, this is self defense. What a weak point! Should a woman not learn karate because she might become a vigilante and beat someone up for no reason? No, because that’s dumb.
Alexis Jankowski this is a common tactic by anti-gunners to refer to people who are lawfully defending themselves in their homes as Vigilantes as if they should just roll over let the criminals do what they do and let the police sort it out later like this was the United Kingdom. The key difference between America and other countries like Australia United Kingdom excetera is that we have a legally ingrained right to self-defense because America as it exists today was never under the rule with the King. Other countries typically have their laws built upon some sort of feudal system where the use of force was the exclusive right and responsibilities of the Lord, if Bandits attack these people it was the Lord's responsibility to attack the bandits. It was not legal for the peasants to resist the Lord no matter what him or his men's wishes might be. The use of force was completely controlled buy the king and other people of social position.
Right, it's just another excuse to create another aristocracy with an upper class with special privileges like the right to defend themselves. We've come full circle since the end of the monarchies, same shit different coat of paint.
I got shocked at that term too. Seems like they are have the kids wait for the police to arrive wile there school is shot up.
They don't know the definition of vigilante obviously.
My brother is a cop and near retirement, he had to deal with a man with a gun just a couple of times. That is common with most officers. The police being more experienced is a false. That the recent shooting in Florida the police were staying outside until the shooting stopped. How are the police going to protect anybody other themselves like that. What the school is doing is creating a well regulated militia.
I love the false notion the public have that police officers get “years of training” that fact is alot of departments do not provide any firearms training to officers after the few months in the academy and qualifying twice a year. Unless the officer is in the dept swat team or spend their own money on training...
Totally agree, in an active shooter situation I'd rather have someone who does 2-gun or 3-gun competition shooting at my side over some random donut lover down at the local police station.
KamikazKid you are stupid not all cops are fat and donut lovers.
Nextarity you're the idiot, a cop has no duty to protect you as ruled by the supreme court in Warren vs DC. Even if he's not a fatty with no range time he can just hunker down and call for backup like that slob at Ferguson did.
My police academy consisted of a week on the range. Thats it
I love this Principal, strong and loving! Respect Ma'am !
that is a cool ass school
I wanna enroll in there one day
An important thing to remember about this is that these kids are not learning self defense all day long. For the older kids this is a once a week activity, learning self defense in PE class is not crazy. Just because they are applying an active shooter element to the self defense course it does not change the fact that they are learning self defense. This report was there to focus on the guns but that likely is not on any of their minds all day long.
What a psycosis to perpetuate on your citerzens. In the future Americans wont be able to mix with the rest of the world.
What are you talking about! Learning self defense does not change a person? It is a simple life skill that everyone should learn regardless of nationality. We live in a world with guns so we should learn what to do incase someone else wants to use it against you. That does not mean you need to be practicing or worrying about a threat all day.
Yes its much better to just be a victim. I'm sure your European governments will always keep you warm and safe.
Quinton Mejias the rest of the world seems to be full of week sheep who don't think they have the right to defend themselves and the government would never do them wrong.
Quinton Mejias
I am pretty sure those train passengers in paris eould be glad there were people eilling to fight back, when a shooter was stopped by these same techniques.
If you asked me whether I believe that teachers should be armed before I watched this video, I would have said no. However, watching this made me realize that if every school in America instituted a similar program, there would not be a single successful mass school shooting. Additionally, providing nearly every child in America with takedown techniques would have significant benefits to both the children and the country.
Self defense yes, but armed faculty or even students? Idk about that. Owning a gun will be as common owning a cell phone, which granted is our 2nd amendment right, but as more people do it, then more demands for lower restrictions will be made to provide more "self defense" for younger people. Before you know it, a simple school drama between friends turns into a bloodbath of clique wars. Yes that is an argument with fallacy in it, but fallacy is in the opposite argument as well.
If this was trained in every school, and the students retained that training into their adult life, the number of deaths by mass shootings would go down exponentially everywhere, not just in schools.
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Not true. When I was a kid, and my father, guns were common on school grounds. Kids brought them to show to each other, to go shooting after school, or for several other reasons. No shootings, no one stupid enough to use a gun to solve an argument...nothing.
We need to examine the root causes of these mass shootings, since I think everyone will agree a sane mind would never do such a thing. Makes mental care and intervention seem much more important, when you decide to look at the cause, and not the tool.
Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher.[CBS. October 7, 2017.] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the U.S. had 82 percent of all gun deaths, 90 percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns" Ooooh, but mass shootings would be down? Wonder why they don't try to imitate us?
mises.org/wire/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries
This needs to be implemented into public schools.
Dang, that principle is badass🤣🤣
No shit 7:30 but the point is why be a casualty when you can possibly prevent yourself and others from being killed.
"Their lack of response would jeopardize the lives of the rest of the students". This is so true!
This almost brought tears to my eyes. A society is measured by how well it protects and cares for its most vulnerable. Children are small but they are resilient as long as love is present. America has a culture problem not a gun problem, but this is about as close to an immediate solution as I can see!
Great idea, if only every school also had a headteacher with the ability to see through walls to notice a gunman coming.
I keep hearing this point that in an active situation, people will be less effective. My questions are, if someone is shooting back, will that make the shooter more panicked as well? Less accurate? Also, won't they stop focusing on shooting kids, and start focusing on the people shooting back? Did the Florida shooter have more or less training than the people at this school? I just feel like it's not a one way street, and the only advantage the shooters have is that they are consistently the only ones with guns in these no gun zones. Do we really think this lone(?) gunman can take out two people with guns? Three? Four? The odds become more in the favor of the defenders, the more defenders there are.
OmegaB3N when you walk into a place believing you are the only one with a gun you feel invisible but if you are surprised by someone shooting back you lose the will to fight.
This is not a game of COD. You are risking so many accidental deaths via stray bullets by incompetent people.
lo z are they more likely to be shot by the "incompetent" teachers that have had many hours of training and care about their students lives or the 15 year old kid that flushed his meds a week ago and stole dads gun to bring to school with the intention of taking everyones life? Get back in your pen little lamb and wait for the wolves.
Charles Karl You cannot equate the training they plan to implement on teachers to the training that actual personnel are given
chris L Yeah okay, buddy
There’s a saying in the photography hobby. “The best camera is the one you have with you.” You can have the best money can buy or the camera on a flip phone from 8 years ago. Either way your still taking a photo, and at the end of the day wouldn’t you like to say you did more then sit idly by.
The pastor is a visionary
You need to move faster than them.. be more agile than them.. and be extremely relaxed and calm
7:00 Actually it's better than a substitute for police since the students are actually THERE and police are not. It really could be the difference between life and death.
There should be private security I think, not armed faculty. Let the teacher educate them on the things they learned in school --effectively teach so that even they can become kids who help prevent a peer from going insane, or growing up to become mad.
chidoriookami private security in every classroom is not cost effective.
But at least they can concentrate on their job =/ if anything a private security force is what should be going through these school-themed trainings so that they won't lose nerve when the real violence happens
I love this, even if almost all these students wont even use there training when the live situation occurs, maybe just 1-2 kids apply what they have learned and disarms the shooter buying people time to rush him and they can save countless lives.
Not to mention taking their practice and experience into the world with them when they graduate.
They're all a thousand times more ready, and will be a thousand times more safer if and when something does happen.
I really loved the innocent principal lady in the beginning hahaha
"You can't substitute the years of training police officers have had".
Someone needs to let this lady know how little training US police actually get...
The editor tried so hard to make the people seem like lunatics...but every time they talked they made sense :))
Nice try Vice - maybe next time
I didn't see too much blatant lunatic-editing on my end, maybe we're watching different videos. I think it stems more from the fact that the concept itself is kind of crazy regardless of the sad fact that it's become somewhat of a necessity in today's world
KommodantSlorvo it's cut like a reality show...leaving pressing pauses, intermittent funny moments after a grave scene to make the protagonists careless in antithesis to the viewer that has the state of the previous scene.
Nothing is left to chance in high budget productions, but this is intentional with a clear bent.
Largo Di Milano I mean it's a large budget production like almost any vice documentary so of course it's gonna be edited with a specific style in mind, but I honestly don't think this video is biased. They don't throw their opinions in at any point nor do they ask one-sided questions in an effort to get the person being interviewed to say something stupid, it's all pretty straightforward question and answer stuff. I've seen Vice post some pretty blatant biased stuff before, but I at least have to give them credit for this one, because the interviewer seemed actively engaged trying to learn more about the situation than just there with a specific agenda in mind like so many other people reporting on this same kind of topic
That's why I said everything is done with editing. It's not a style, it's why they used a mockumentary style for such a grave subject. The intent is the issue, if they were old vice that had that fight the power style and mocked both liberals and conservatives...fair...but look at any other video from the right. They don't use this style.
Really? As biased as I think vice is I think they actually did a fairly good job depicting this school in a fair matter
Even children have a right to protect themselves and there family.
Their* Stay in school
Yes we should arm all these children!
Winegarden: He's training kids to be vigilantes
Right, lets train them to be gunshot victims instead
"You can't substitute for police"
Acting like cops have teleportation devices and the shooter can't kill people when the cops are coming
I fully support this and wish more schools would do it
Now THIS is a McSchool worth attending.
"I'm not paranoid i'm ready" Amen.
what guitar song is that in the beginning ?
2 in the body, one in the head....
2 in the pink, 1 in the stink!
Mozambique Drill
No. Mag dump center mass.
Savagery LVL You.
Trrevor Lewis well one in the head is enough to kill idk why they need to other in body
Yes this is what we need
Jay 037 I agree. People shouldn't lie down and wait like sheep at the slaughter
I agree so much
incredibly stupid. If you swarm someone with an AR you're all dead...or shotgun its over. You're getting mowed down. Pistoll may work even best bet is to hide or escape.Can believe this idiocy is supported
I think you should look at the odds of being in a school shooting as a pose to just dying in one,
it causes such severe trauma and it really cannot be ignored
2:00 Minutes into the video, i think it stands on its own why this is effective and necessary.
American nationalism and militarism is so weird.
Nickname hier einfügen a metal disease
And what would you suggest the schools do? This trail of death of children has proven that the government hasn't done their job in protecting them. At least these people are trying something.
V what type of metal? Ive never heard of metal having a disease before
says the german
Nickname hier einfügen What would you suggest we do? are your school children training for what to do if a gun tooting jihadist terrorists. Drops by to one of your schools for a short and brutal visit?
In New Mexico, there's a lot more people who die from overdoses, withdrawals, and being the only victim in a shooting than from school shootings. The last actual school shooting here was a few years ago, and even then, the shooter only had a shotgun firing bird shot (there's no restrictions on "assault weapons" here).
you can tell the principal really cares about those kids and is doing what she sees fit to protect them
"If you have a group of kids that are going to attack you you cant kill em all at the same time"....Only in the U.S.A...OOoRAAAAHH😂😂😷
Knowledge IS Power same time
Better than being slayed like people are all around the world. Im in favor of being prepared rather than dead in almost all situation's. For instance in france if people on the streets were taught to look out for speeding vans going down sidewalks maybe more people would have gotten out of the way. Another time in france at the Bataclan theatre massacre where 3 milita men held hostage and started executing 50-100 people. 89 people died that night because they believed that "Things like this only happen in the USA". Its the wrong mindset to have. Those 100 people certainly could have overwhelmed them but instead they chose to accept their fate and let terrorist's execute them. Crazy men with guns exist all over the world, Even if the law prevents it.
Knowledge IS Power It was mandatory for the Swiss men to serve in their military until 2010, they also have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Every man there knows how to operate a firearm and it is suggested by their country to own a firearm. How come they don't have the crime like we do? Where are their mass shooting?
I have feeling that you were being sarcastic, but that actually made me feel patriotic AF.
Challenge accepted.
*PUMPED UP KICKS INTENSIFIES*
I can't believe the teachers union rep is such a person who is not not living in reality.
Almost all the time the police are never there at that time the crime is committed they are there after people have been murdered, burglarized, and then they show up afterwards. And even then when they show up they don't usually catch the perpetrator of the crime.
The best thing to do is to train the potential victims how not to become victims in the first place. And what this superintendent and the principal are doing to train their kids is the best thing and any school that is not doing what he is doing are sending those kids to their deaths.
Inayet Hadi I had to read the ending twice to make sure I CLEARLY understood your point. Good one by the way.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. The country reaps what it has sowed.
Yes - this country was largely stolen through violence and it continues to be violent, so why the hell would they want to ban guns from law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves?
This is all part of what they have been doing by brainwashing us as well as children for a long time. They are programming people to be victims, unarmed, unwilling to fight back. That is why they started that stupid no tolerance policy in schools. I once went to a school when I was a kid and they started a policy that if you got attacked by another student, even if you didn't defend yourself, both you and the attacker were both in trouble for fighting. The idea was that they are teaching kids that self defense is wrong. You are right and I have had so many cops tell me the same thing, they just can't get there fast enough. I don't care if those cops drive 120mph, they are not going to get there in time to save enough lives. Even if you have a school resource officer, he could be at the other end of the school. The reality is, children must be prepared for the world and this is one of the realities they must be prepared for. Just like we protect our children by teaching them to not talk to strangers, or look both ways when crossing the street.
These children are learning valuable life lessons they will possess long after they leave this school.
imagine walking in and then walking out before you even open the door
isn't this already uploaded video
the best reporter from vice! Thomas Morton!
Dustin Herrera don’t forget he’s also the best new and upcoming Nigerian actor
Adriatic Zephyr haha haha true 😂😊
Dudes almost a female
agreed.
Really awesome to see that they're teaching the kids to take the fight to the attacker instead of begging and pledging with a maniac.
when a group of people have something in common no bullies no problems no bad shooters
Even the best cops, in the best conditions, will take minutes to reach the school and assess the situation. Until that happens, anyone inside the school is at the mercy of the shooter, unless they can successfully fight back, however that may be. If it were my school that got shot up, even though students aren't allowed to carry, that bastard would be running for his life, chased by 9mm bullets
Reuploaded because it's a hot topic again?
Looks like they reedited it as well.
Don't be stupid this isn't a re upload they clearly talk about the shooting that happen in florida
Palmer's Guns & Gear then why did i watch a video almost exactly like this one months earlier.
I work at an elementary school and this was a conversation I had with the principal
"Hey, I have my concealed carry license. Can i carry a gun (concealed) to protect the kids in the act of an active shooter?"
"No. And if you bring it up again you will be fired"
So now I would be forced to try to stop an attack empty handed as all these kids get gunned down.
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i actually support this
"bad guy" entered with an AR, but then you see an AK front end... I'm confused, lol
I guess they have more than 1 gun?? Good catch though
tehlolercaust probably reshoots and retakes for the documentary.
2:07 when you yell at the screen in the movie theater and it works
DAMN BRO, that was sick when the "bad guy" came and they swarmed him XD