CBRN guy here, everything they've said is spot on but to reiterate. If you're dealing with anything other than CS and you do not decontaminat your skin and put on a head to toe cbrn suit of some kind IMMEDIATELY AFTER putting on your mask you will be in a world of hurt as most cbrn threats WILL GO THROUGH YOUR SKIN even with a mask on.
Some CBRN hazards such as chlorine gas can unalive you startling quickly. To escape a threat like that you need an respirator connected to an air tank. Hazmat truckers have "escape bottles" in the cabs of their truck for this sort of emergency
@@Echo4Mafia So what I’m hearing is, if there’s any type of CBRN event occurs - you’re typical civilian with a gas mask is screwed? Like you’d need multiple chem suits and they’re not reusable and you’d need multiples for each member of a family? So like why would some countries issue gas mask to their civilians?
@@briankonreiharvey8105 TLDR, yes if you're in cbrn contamination with just a gas mask you're screwed. Long answer, anything is better than nothing and the specifics of the cbrn contamination will dictate the level of protection you need. A gas mask is a great peice of kit to have and it will increase your likelihood of survival considerably. What that looks like depends on the type of contamination you're dealing with. For something like a blister agent, say mustard gas for example, a gas mask will keep you from dying immediately however any skin exposed to the gas will form large puss filled blisters that can cause serious infections without proper care but are survivable. However if you're dealing with nerve gas like Sarin (mentioned in the video) or VX those will seep through your skin in approximately 8 minutes and after that it's lights out. The only way to avoid that would be to put on your mask, move under overhead cover, immediately decontaminate your skin and hair (including holding your breath and decontaminating your face) and putting on a level C or higher CBRN suit. So why would some countries give their civilians masks? Because a gas mask alone, while not the best solution is better than nothing and depending on the cbrn contamination you're dealing with haveing just a mask could be enough to keep you alive. Ultimately all of this gear is useless without proper training. When you're in a contaminated environment the smallest mistake could end you so the goal should be to escape and get decontaminated (by professionals if possible). If all you can get to do that is a gas mask than that's better than nothing if you want suits then you need to understand their limitations as well as how to properly use and store them otherwise they won't do you much good.
On beards: I'll give this analogy. Firefighters are not permitted to have facial hair that could impede the seal of their SCBA. And these are professionals who, likely far more frequently than the military, deal with toxic atmospheric conditions, gasses, vapors, and particulates. Food for thought.
When the military had to deal with gases and radioactive stuff more often (cold war, ww1 etc) they had either a 0 shave or a non obstructive facial hair i.e. austrian painter stache up to stalin stache max.
as a frireman, i can tell you that its more of a formality than anything, i have done, and passed, mask seal tests with a beard. But, scbas are positive pressure, so any leak, wastes fresh air leaving the mask, rather than sucking harmful chemicals IN.
@@TheWtfnonamez Obviously, for people who may professionally have to deal with this, beards unacceptably jeopardize effectiveness in a situation they're expected to encounter eventually or maybe even regularly. But a civilian, going about their normal life, can have a beard and still make use of a disposable hood or even a hardware store particulate filter to get through a sudden crisis.
CBRN guy (USMC 2019-'23.) In relation to hair, surprisingly the biggest issue Ive seen in my experience is guys with the hair on their head and not their face being too long. Hair that hangs in front of the forehead gets caught in between the mask and the skin if not moved out of the way leading to exposure and mask contamination. Best remedy we found was hold mask by face in dominant hand, sweep hair back towards top of head with nondominant hand, press mask to face, seal, clear, secure mask carrier. Enjoyed the video, good knowledge bombs dropped here guys.
@qh5545 You have to find and buy or have Corrective lens INSERTS made. There are special adaptors M50 & M53 lens holders that attach INSIDE the mask. YOU CANNOT WEAR REGULAR GLASSES WITH EAR ARMS! This will break the seal on both sides and make the mask Worthless. Buy the Optical Insert adaptors and bring to your Optometrist or Eye Glass store. Option is to get a cheap pair, remove arms and ziptie or attach to the adaptor. There are Eyeglass adaptors for M53, M50, M40, Mira CM-8 And one other. (Research that) Good Luck.
@@qh5545 There are lense inserts that fit into the mask uses your regular prescription. I would just grab my regular glasses and throw them off my face as fast as possible to get the mask on. If you don't have inserts, breathing still takes priority over seeing. EDIT: As wolfpack said above, different masks use different inserts. Find the inserts that match your mask. Some of the inserts sometimes like to press on the face between the eyes or forehead. A quick remedy is to take a piece of 3M adhesive foam and place it in the spot where the insert causes pressure or rubs on the face. This cushions the insert and spreads the pressure out a little bit, but I only recommend this as a stopgap until you can sit down and readjust your mask and inserts to sit comfortably on your face.
Just as a safety note. If your CBRN canisters are exposed to super heated gases they can break down the filter integrity a lot quicker. The ones we had used for AF firefighting CBRN training were rated to about 500 degrees. The filters are not going to save you in oxygen deficient environments. Make sure to do your negative pressure checks!
Probably a good reason to have a air quality sensor of some description handy so you know when to bug out from something when your mask won't work. I have experience with So2 meters and organic gasses blocking masks from working briefly as a Confined Space Attendant, even with the mask on as soon as that alarm started screaming I was calling people out and clearing the area, but that was at a refinery with an old leaky sulfer handling plant, with the project ongoing to replace it putting us close to the source (ie a wimpy stone's throw)
One huge tip for people, not all gas masks will work with Night Vision, I bought a MIRA CM-6M because it has great visibility only to do some training with my night vision and the clear windscreen sticks out too for to wear Night Vision, if you are going to use a Gas Mask with Night Vision you have to make sure the mask was designed for that.
Im glad to know at least 1 of my gas masks will accept night vision. Now i just need night vision. Still waiting to be approved for a suppressor or 2... i kinda laughed when i read this comment though.. I pitty the common foo that has to run all that equipment simultaneously IRL. 😱💀
Avon masks are specifically designed to work with night vision as it was a requirement from DoD and many LE dept/agencies. The M50 is super easy to wear with NVGs, I wore that combo for many years.
@@CBRN-Fan-Boy This ! Even my now older AMF12 (Dutch army version of the FM12). Is still such a good mask ! Would love to try a C50 some day. But cant justify the cost. As I have no real issues with the FM12. I dont get why Mira gets recommended so much...
I skip through ads 99% of the time. If you guys keep doing your ad placement in a way that is actively part of the video, I'd definitely not skip them. That was hilarious.
This is an amazing video. Im a long term CBRN guy and absolutely love this! Another facet to take into consideration is that Hazmat is another issue that CBRN gear typically also answers.
I am an environmental professional and: 1. Only use NIOSH approved masks and cartridges/canisters 2. You need to be properly fit tested to use the air purifying respirator aka APR 3. You cannot have a beard or beard stubble as it will prevent a proper seal (sorry I disagree with you in this after 38 years in the industry) 4. APRs don’t provide oxygen, hence air purifying. This if you are in an oxygen deficiency atmosphere you’ll die 5. The CBRN cartridge/canisters only stop Alpha and Beta radionuclides and not x-ray or gamma rays 6. One can purchase Dragger, 3M, Scott, North, and many NIOSH approved APRs at Granger, or other similar companies as well as direct from the names mentioned. They are expensive. Power on🖖
I think that may go without saying, there’s no gas mask out there that could help you from gamma rays alone lol. You are going to need an entire CBRN hazmat with technology that is certainly not commercial nor publicized if such a thing were to exist hypothetically.
@@knifelover73 There is classified things we are not aware about let's just put it like that. Also, concrete can indeed stop gamma rays! You just need a lot of it.
For comms, Disco 32 sells a dongle that goes from the exterior electrical connections that the VPU connects into (flap at the front of the M50) and clicks into the top of your PTT. It even has a pass through so you can connect your wired earpro in just above that and receive audio. All while making use of the microphone you installed with your VPU kit. It adds a lot of length to the PTT but makes it so you can just about whisper in your mask to be heard via radio.
thank you for the video. You answered the question ive had for years about simple particulate filters. While not 100 percent, they would certainly be better than nothing.
Great vid! Please have a part 2 on storage of canisters, bags to carry them on person, leg, battle belt etc. Do you carry them with canister on or in bag? Once you open canister what is the shelf life and can you re-seal them.
If you foresee the need for immediate use, personally I recommend the following: 1. Attach the filter but leave the seal on the outer surface (if there is one). These can easily be removed at time of use. 2. Put the entire mask/filter combo into a vacuum-seal bag and remove the air from the bag (make friends with your local butcher or deli to facilitate access to a suitable vacuum sealer machine!) 3. Keep it in a waterproof pouch either on your belt or drop-leg rig. In your ruck, trunk, or bug-out bag is no bueno if you need to don it in a hurry!
Car nerd here, even if you press the recirculate on your cars ac it still takes in some air from outside in order to positively pressurize the cabin of the car so DO NOT rely on the recirculate button to do any good
Gas mask nerd here Mira made a direct copy of the OM-90 mask and made variants of it and are selling them for a massive mark up of like $200 but you could get things like the french M51 as you showed in the intro segment takes NATO filters and is like 30-40 dollars and filters shouldn't cost 20-50 dollars i get Israeli filters for $13 and they have a 30 year shelf life and filters NBC and CBRN or you could get a Chinese TF-1 a GP-5 knock off that takes GOST and NATO filters and rather than having straps it's a helmet hood mask so you just put your chin in and pull it over your head and it should seal.
Thank you ! It drives me a bit nuts. How Mira is recommended so much. If you just want a mask for escape and don't need a drinking tube. Then honestly look up what your fire brigade was using 10-15 years ago. And buy it for 20-30€ on a local market place. Make sure it isn't a positive pressure mask and has a 40mm thread. And your fine ^^
@@ianspy1 Yeah i think only military's need drinking tubes because it's gonna be hot in a combat zone but us civilians just need to escape we won't be wearing them for too long.
@@FleshStick360 I slightly disagree. Having the option to drink something while wearing the mask is a nice comfort. I appreciate this a lot as I wear my AMF12 about 2 times per week for 2-3 hours at a time. And if you don't have much experience wearing a mask. And need to evacuate a zone on foot. It will be nice to have a liter of water to drink. Drinking cold water while wearing a hot mask and sweating is VERY refreshing xD. This ofc also means that you need to fill the bottle in a clean environment from a safe source. And know how the system works. The one from Avon is pretty fool proof. Having a valve in the bottle, drinking tube. And cut of when the straw isn't in the drinking position.
A good follow up would be the full kit of mop gear, but using over the counter items to counter chemicals. Like a gortex jacket and pants, rubber cleaning gloves, ect....
A cheap solution for a voice box for gas masks, you can buy a piezo pick-up that's meant for acoustic guitars, attach the pick up on the inside in a space close your mouth, and attach the battery compartment wherever is out of the way. You shouldn't have to solder, just attach a piece of magnetic tape. They typically use 9V but there are lower power versions that can be used with AA's.
@@clamum9648 it uses the vibrations and converts it into electrical signal. Depending on the wiring inside the mask, you should be able to attach the piezo directly or use some tape on the wires. It would still sound very muffled but at least louder
What about for the folks who wear prescription glasses? Feel like this is an important point to get across as well. I know you can get prescription lenses for the inside of the gas mask. Kudos! Keep up the great content boys
Thought this episode would not apply to me in semi rural Louisiana but with all the chemical plants here and hurricanes that cause damage I think I may opt for a contingency plan now
one thing regarding filters, something i personally got myself was an adapter that allows you to thread into a 40mm nato adapter to a 3M bayonet filter which you often see on their half face masks. CDC at least says the pink 60923s (organic acid/gas cartridge) are adequate for riot agents, so if you're heavily on a budget - it's an option perfect? absolutely not, but it's better than nothing at all
I was pleasantly surprised with the amount if good information in this video. I wish this video was around when I first started collecting masks many years ago, would have saved me so much time in research.
Used to think I didn't need one because military training largely convinced me we're straight fuckered if chem/bio weapons are in play. Then my area had a forest fire and I saw the light.
I remember most of the Midwest and northeast of the US being like that for a week last summer from the Canadian "wildfires" it was smoky Af for like a week where I was.
@@ericsfishingadventures4433 Lol I remember using the respirator I use for school while picking up dog poo in my yard that year. Also, why do you have wildfires in quotes?
Don’t forget to prep your vehicle as well. make sure your door & window seals are good shape. And if your vehicle has it to have a good quality cabin air filter. I recommend one with active carbon layer
You guys are nuts, and I'm grateful for your craziness. This was great stuff. Only thing I was wondering at the end was how to properly size your mask. Thanks for your sacrifice 🙂
wow this is a outstanding video and have learned so much about gas masks, I have the mira cm8m and I love it but like so many who may have a gas mask I too was limited with the information but after viewing your video I have a revised level of knowledge, thank you so much .
Got a Ultra Elite for 30€ in my country. Some washing and silicon lube later. Its like new :D But in Germany they sadly use the rubber straps. Not the mesh. Which starts to hurt on my big head after just an hour. Also make sure you are getting a normal pressure version with a 40mm connector. As they often come with a spring exhale valve for positive pressure. As well as connectors for SCBA units. Got a AMF12 (Dutch army contract version of the FM12) a few month later. With a "remploy peeler" suit. The AMF12 is awesome ! Got a size 1 to fit my big head. And I use it about 2 times per week for 2-3 hours working on projects :D
I just got full face 3m respirators, olive-magenta filters, and suits. If it beats that, I guess we're screwed. On a super budget, and can't afford the good stuff.
A note on the water, they make adapters for running your drinking tube to a camelbak type bladder and not just a canteen. That way if you need water you just turn your straw on and it's ready.
Don't cheap out on safety equipment. Like they mentioned, the actual mask is just a platform to host the filter. Get whatever mask you want, surplus or whatever, but don't get skimpy when it comes to the filters, which are what will actually save you.
Wow! You guys really made "the video we wished others would have made for us". Its got everything. It even included an ops core mask. Which ive been eyeing a lot, but i think ill stick to Avon even though the opscore didnt fail, it just lacked a visor. Dont know if you guys tried convincing a cop or swat team to gas you guys since their stuff is different but although it wasnt included, it really wasnt necessary. Either way, huuuuuuuge props to you 2 and the crew.
Slight correction - European companies *are* audited, but only on yearly basis. Not once. The only difference is - there are no unannounced audits. Just regular planned yearly ones. They are as thorrow as US ones though.
MIRA has a number of selections that do not require a proprietary filter; after watching this segment, I got onto the MIRA site and found the CM6M, CM7M, and CM8M. The 7 and 8 are designed with a cheek weld that make it easy to shoot a rifle - I bought a CM8M for myself, and a CM6M for an extra. Both have excellent visibility, as where the CM7M’s visibility is less than 75%. All three accept a standard filter size, including the NATO filters. MIRA is planning on applying for NIOSH certification. Thanks for a fun and informative segment of Dirty Civilian. I would have been pleased if you guys HAD’NT gassed yourselves, but I admire your commitment to your art! I don’t recommend the turn-it-upon-yourselves for testing body armor. Just Sayin’.
I would also love to see a situation where you're in a van. Without a mask, sitting in a cloud of spray but while leaking compressed air out of a tank to create positive pressure inside the van
I’ve just finished watching your recent video, “Gas Mask for Civilians.” Again, you guys have put out another totally appropriate video for civilians. I haven’t checked any of the comments regarding my “two cent.” Something to be on the lookout for when purchasing a used mask is doing an all inclusive PM (Preventive Maintenance) check of your mask. I purchased a used M50 several years ago and noted that the self sealing disk valves were dry rotted and NOT self sealing. This is a definite no go. Make sure that that you review PN71016/10 Issue E. This publication will walk you through the use of the mask soup to nuts. Great job guys! I look forward to more great content.
Gas mask collector here, a good gas mask setup for under $100 dollars would be an Iseral model 4/ 4a1 and a NATO 40mm CBRN filter. This is the most simple way to get valuable protection.
This is literally why I became a distributor for Dentec Safety. NIOSH on an affordable full-face mask.. and it's NOT done by the factory that makes them. a SEPARATE entity does. YES, the 130M is made of some chinese components, but it's PROPERLY tested etc.. and the filters are NOT made in china. Plus they had some really nice affordable decent eyewear.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Even with the absolute best Mask and Filters in the world, against legitimate chemical agents, whether industrial or weaponized agents, without a fullbody chemsuit and gas hood to seal the rest of your head around the mask; you're still getting dosed through skin absorption and depending on the agent, killed. *Not CBRN trained or Certified, but was obsessed with it as a teen so have read my fair share* For instance Sarin was mentioned, this is a Nerve Agent (The same class as VX, though Sarin is less powerful and is the gas itself thus less persistent; VX is so deadly and disruptive because it's a persistent agent aka an area denial weapon. The agent is a liquid that stays around and instead works by giving off gaseous fumes full of the VX) and is just as happy to absorb through your skin as your mucus membranes and lungs. Secondly, the "Antidote" is more a vaccine than a cure, as Nerve Agents are ACE Inhibitors; and work by stopping these chemicals from turning off, FULLY activating your CNS and muscles to the point your contorted and paralyzed until the paralysis reaches your heart and lungs. Atropine works like potassium tablets vs radioactive Iodide/Iodine or Carbon Monoxide vs Oxygen; it binds to the site of ACE Emzymes in your CNS so the Nerve Agent can't. But If you've already been sufficiently dosed by the agent, like inhaling a Lethal amount of carbon monoxide then trying an Oxygen mask, your bodies already bonded to the agent; there's nothing you can do (Pralidoxime can "somewhat", so is often combined with Atropine in Autoinjectors and during post-exposure treatment for Organophosphate/Nerve Agent poisoning). This is why the very first initial symptoms of Nerve Agent exposure are focused on so heavily in NBC/CBRN training, the Atropine Autoinjector must be administered AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to protect as much of your CNS as you can. Symptoms are: - Runny Nose and Hyper Salvation - Unresponsive pinpoint pupils - Muscle twitches/spasms For Blister Agents like Mustard Gas, not breathing it in is amazing; but any unprotected skin will still be attacked. (But at least it's not your throat and lungs too) For Choking Agents such as Chlorine Gas, a full face mask should be fine as long as you don't have any open wounds or "exposed moist or humid orifices". Chlorine and similar gasses work by creating acid when they contact water/moisture, so don't let them and you should be OK with proper De-Con. However I believe Phosgene can still be absorbed through the skin, so mask protections not universal depending on the Agent. I don't remember the details about Blood Agents and how to protect against them, all I remember is they work by blocking your bloods ability to carry Oxygen (So I guess you could consider Carbon Monoxide a Blood Agent?).
22:00, I used to fit test the N95's for new employees in the compounding area to show them how to properly wear out and that it does filter out dust from the powders
Avon is much better and actually certified. Mira takes Czech surplus masks and sells them at a HUGE mark up. If you want a Mira mask cheaper buy the actual mil issued one and it’s about $90.00
I work at a fire department and ended up finding a 3M RBE-L10 Breathe Easy Hood PAPR in the trash. Only thing I saw wrong with it was the filters were out of date. Score of the century since it's like $2k
Would love to see a follow up video comparing the effectiveness of various hardware-store respirators. The oil field requires that all workers keep a 3M respirator on hand in case of an H2S outbreak, so it would be interesting to see how they hold up to CS.
Thanks for doing this!! One video idea I wish someone would do is to go over how to escape NYC during some sort of event or attack. Trains will likely be shut down, so getting out will be tricky.
Our department issues the Avon CF50. They are very well made. I am also one of the gas mask testers to ensure they're working. We do it once a year. The seem to hold up well, even to us dumb cops.
I put a lower 1/3 red dot on top of a 2.26 unity riser. Thing was at least 3 inches tall. Those two mount heights combined seem like a very good height for gas mask shooting.
I love my MSA millennium. Peripheral vision is unparalleled. They have a drinking water tube and voice amps are available. Used it at work a few times for chemical spills, nothing serious though. First time I used it was cleaning up some citrus oil. I couldn't smell a even with a beard, but the guy working the trailer next to me had his face tingling.
I highly recommend getting a good PAPR over a regular gas mask, a gas mask will only work okay if you are in a tip top shape. For the avarage joe, exhaused, old, young or injured person a PAPR is a way better choice, just make sure to get one that takes standard rechargeable batteries!
Man, you guys do a great job with the movie clips you add in, but it would be beyond awesome, if you'd put the title of the movie in one of the corners of the video. Some of these look good, but I have no idea what they are. Thanks for the video, fellas.
CBRN guy here, everything they've said is spot on but to reiterate. If you're dealing with anything other than CS and you do not decontaminat your skin and put on a head to toe cbrn suit of some kind IMMEDIATELY AFTER putting on your mask you will be in a world of hurt as most cbrn threats WILL GO THROUGH YOUR SKIN even with a mask on.
Great info there, a full chem suit is something that NEVER gets talked about
Not necessary for natural burns like Canadian wildfires. Still good to protect eyes and lungs.
Some CBRN hazards such as chlorine gas can unalive you startling quickly. To escape a threat like that you need an respirator connected to an air tank. Hazmat truckers have "escape bottles" in the cabs of their truck for this sort of emergency
@@Echo4Mafia So what I’m hearing is, if there’s any type of CBRN event occurs - you’re typical civilian with a gas mask is screwed? Like you’d need multiple chem suits and they’re not reusable and you’d need multiples for each member of a family? So like why would some countries issue gas mask to their civilians?
@@briankonreiharvey8105 TLDR, yes if you're in cbrn contamination with just a gas mask you're screwed.
Long answer, anything is better than nothing and the specifics of the cbrn contamination will dictate the level of protection you need. A gas mask is a great peice of kit to have and it will increase your likelihood of survival considerably. What that looks like depends on the type of contamination you're dealing with. For something like a blister agent, say mustard gas for example, a gas mask will keep you from dying immediately however any skin exposed to the gas will form large puss filled blisters that can cause serious infections without proper care but are survivable. However if you're dealing with nerve gas like Sarin (mentioned in the video) or VX those will seep through your skin in approximately 8 minutes and after that it's lights out. The only way to avoid that would be to put on your mask, move under overhead cover, immediately decontaminate your skin and hair (including holding your breath and decontaminating your face) and putting on a level C or higher CBRN suit. So why would some countries give their civilians masks? Because a gas mask alone, while not the best solution is better than nothing and depending on the cbrn contamination you're dealing with haveing just a mask could be enough to keep you alive. Ultimately all of this gear is useless without proper training. When you're in a contaminated environment the smallest mistake could end you so the goal should be to escape and get decontaminated (by professionals if possible). If all you can get to do that is a gas mask than that's better than nothing if you want suits then you need to understand their limitations as well as how to properly use and store them otherwise they won't do you much good.
Whoever edits and pieces these videos together needs a raise
i need the movie names lol
The close-up of Drew after the "face condom" lol. Editor is brill
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This channel has seriously stepped its game up recently. Huge fan!!!
The editor - "wait, you guys are getting paid?"
My wife has been using Avon products for years. Lipstick, makeup etc. She says they are good quality.
That’s the first sponsor read I’ve ever watched all the way through. Straight genius.
Just wish the discount codes actually worked (eg 100 concepts)
My thoughts exactly
Same. That gets from casual watcher to Sub 👍
I hit LIKE right after that lol... they earned it
That is the best intro ever... haha
They never disappoint
Would have to agree!
Ever.. well done DC
On beards:
I'll give this analogy. Firefighters are not permitted to have facial hair that could impede the seal of their SCBA. And these are professionals who, likely far more frequently than the military, deal with toxic atmospheric conditions, gasses, vapors, and particulates.
Food for thought.
When the military had to deal with gases and radioactive stuff more often (cold war, ww1 etc) they had either a 0 shave or a non obstructive facial hair i.e. austrian painter stache up to stalin stache max.
as a frireman, i can tell you that its more of a formality than anything, i have done, and passed, mask seal tests with a beard. But, scbas are positive pressure, so any leak, wastes fresh air leaving the mask, rather than sucking harmful chemicals IN.
Even in EMS we're custom fit for N100 masks, we can't have beards or staches that may impede seal
@@TheWtfnonamez Obviously, for people who may professionally have to deal with this, beards unacceptably jeopardize effectiveness in a situation they're expected to encounter eventually or maybe even regularly. But a civilian, going about their normal life, can have a beard and still make use of a disposable hood or even a hardware store particulate filter to get through a sudden crisis.
These guys are the throttle house of the gun and preparedness world! Their quality and entertainment value is off the charts!
That is a very appropriate description!
CBRN guy (USMC 2019-'23.) In relation to hair, surprisingly the biggest issue Ive seen in my experience is guys with the hair on their head and not their face being too long. Hair that hangs in front of the forehead gets caught in between the mask and the skin if not moved out of the way leading to exposure and mask contamination. Best remedy we found was hold mask by face in dominant hand, sweep hair back towards top of head with nondominant hand, press mask to face, seal, clear, secure mask carrier. Enjoyed the video, good knowledge bombs dropped here guys.
Great point! Glad you brought that up!
What do y'all do about glasses
@qh5545 You have to find and buy or have Corrective lens INSERTS made. There are special adaptors M50 & M53 lens holders that attach INSIDE the mask. YOU CANNOT WEAR REGULAR GLASSES WITH EAR ARMS! This will break the seal on both sides and make the mask Worthless. Buy the Optical Insert adaptors and bring to your Optometrist or Eye Glass store.
Option is to get a cheap pair, remove arms and ziptie or attach to the adaptor. There are Eyeglass adaptors for M53, M50, M40, Mira CM-8 And one other. (Research that) Good Luck.
@@qh5545 There are lense inserts that fit into the mask uses your regular prescription. I would just grab my regular glasses and throw them off my face as fast as possible to get the mask on. If you don't have inserts, breathing still takes priority over seeing.
EDIT: As wolfpack said above, different masks use different inserts. Find the inserts that match your mask. Some of the inserts sometimes like to press on the face between the eyes or forehead. A quick remedy is to take a piece of 3M adhesive foam and place it in the spot where the insert causes pressure or rubs on the face. This cushions the insert and spreads the pressure out a little bit, but I only recommend this as a stopgap until you can sit down and readjust your mask and inserts to sit comfortably on your face.
@@wolfpack2486 3d printed adapters with cheap lins removed from glasses
10/10 ad read
What does that mean?
@@CBRN-Fan-Boy It means the ad was perfect.
@@godlikemachine645 cool!
Taking "hot-boxing" to a whole new level.
whoever comes up with these cinematic skits in underated
Watching Dirty Civilian climb the YT ranks these last few years has been the greatest joy 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
Just as a safety note. If your CBRN canisters are exposed to super heated gases they can break down the filter integrity a lot quicker. The ones we had used for AF firefighting CBRN training were rated to about 500 degrees. The filters are not going to save you in oxygen deficient environments.
Make sure to do your negative pressure checks!
Probably a good reason to have a air quality sensor of some description handy so you know when to bug out from something when your mask won't work.
I have experience with So2 meters and organic gasses blocking masks from working briefly as a Confined Space Attendant, even with the mask on as soon as that alarm started screaming I was calling people out and clearing the area, but that was at a refinery with an old leaky sulfer handling plant, with the project ongoing to replace it putting us close to the source (ie a wimpy stone's throw)
One huge tip for people, not all gas masks will work with Night Vision, I bought a MIRA CM-6M because it has great visibility only to do some training with my night vision and the clear windscreen sticks out too for to wear Night Vision, if you are going to use a Gas Mask with Night Vision you have to make sure the mask was designed for that.
Im glad to know at least 1 of my gas masks will accept night vision. Now i just need night vision. Still waiting to be approved for a suppressor or 2... i kinda laughed when i read this comment though.. I pitty the common foo that has to run all that equipment simultaneously IRL. 😱💀
Avon masks are specifically designed to work with night vision as it was a requirement from DoD and many LE dept/agencies. The M50 is super easy to wear with NVGs, I wore that combo for many years.
Don’t buy from them they are selling old Cz masks from the 90s for a massive markup
Pft. I just hold my breath and close my eyes. Checkmate.
Pfffft.. I just live as normal.
Check.
Mate.
Not sure how you guys do it with the costs these videos entail, but THIS channel is the absolute BEST on the interwebs for this type of info exchange!
I think the CM7M from Mira is literally just surplus Czech Republic gas masks you can buy for $100 on apex
Yes they are, Avon is the best in the market. Dont cheap out on safety equipment.
@@CBRN-Fan-Boy This !
Even my now older AMF12 (Dutch army version of the FM12). Is still such a good mask !
Would love to try a C50 some day. But cant justify the cost. As I have no real issues with the FM12.
I dont get why Mira gets recommended so much...
@@ianspy1 marketing
It is called the OM-90. Not sure why MIRA is trying to sell for double the price.
A quick reference guide to complement this video would be huge.
I skip through ads 99% of the time. If you guys keep doing your ad placement in a way that is actively part of the video, I'd definitely not skip them. That was hilarious.
This is an amazing video. Im a long term CBRN guy and absolutely love this! Another facet to take into consideration is that Hazmat is another issue that CBRN gear typically also answers.
Best sponsor segment I’ve seen in my entire life
would love a reference guide, how much they cost, Pros and cons. stuff like that
it would be very usefull
Pros: more safe cons: more money
Total cons: shave your beard
Now that was a good ad. I actually did not want to skip.
absolutely top-tier intro cinematic.
I see DC notification, I watch DC video.
Great intro as usual
The effort that goes into the intro, info, and even the sponsor portion is incredible. Keep it up guys! Love your vids
0:49 - 1:03 the nut fatality & skip away was too crazy ☠
Yeah
probably the best ad read i've ever seen, Drew's snot is just icing on the cake
I am an environmental professional and:
1. Only use NIOSH approved masks and cartridges/canisters
2. You need to be properly fit tested to use the air purifying respirator aka APR
3. You cannot have a beard or beard stubble as it will prevent a proper seal (sorry I disagree with you in this after 38 years in the industry)
4. APRs don’t provide oxygen, hence air purifying. This if you are in an oxygen deficiency atmosphere you’ll die
5. The CBRN cartridge/canisters only stop Alpha and Beta radionuclides and not x-ray or gamma rays
6. One can purchase Dragger, 3M, Scott, North, and many NIOSH approved APRs at Granger, or other similar companies as well as direct from the names mentioned. They are expensive. Power on🖖
Completely agree!!! I've been wearing North and 3M masks for over 35 years now.
Avon masks with CBRNCF50 and NH15 are NIOSH certified. Better than what you will find with others. Also available on Grainger and their own website.
I think that may go without saying, there’s no gas mask out there that could help you from gamma rays alone lol. You are going to need an entire CBRN hazmat with technology that is certainly not commercial nor publicized if such a thing were to exist hypothetically.
@@seventhkakushieven that won’t protect you from gamma. Gamma rays go through CONCRETE
@@knifelover73 There is classified things we are not aware about let's just put it like that. Also, concrete can indeed stop gamma rays! You just need a lot of it.
For comms, Disco 32 sells a dongle that goes from the exterior electrical connections that the VPU connects into (flap at the front of the M50) and clicks into the top of your PTT. It even has a pass through so you can connect your wired earpro in just above that and receive audio. All while making use of the microphone you installed with your VPU kit. It adds a lot of length to the PTT but makes it so you can just about whisper in your mask to be heard via radio.
Tip: Instead of Vasoline, use CPAP gel. It has aloe vera and is non-petroleum.
The banana oil spill was HILARIOUS!!!
It’s official….the best intro on TH-cam👊🏽
thank you for the video. You answered the question ive had for years about simple particulate filters. While not 100 percent, they would certainly be better than nothing.
I'd love to see you guys go through a legit, no BS full strength OC spray course or a full on less-lethal package!
The look on Drew's face when they sat there without masks waiting, he knew this was going to suck. He was clearly so defeated and sad waiting.
Great vid! Please have a part 2 on storage of canisters, bags to carry them on person, leg, battle belt etc. Do you carry them with canister on or in bag? Once you open canister what is the shelf life and can you re-seal them.
If you foresee the need for immediate use, personally I recommend the following:
1. Attach the filter but leave the seal on the outer surface (if there is one). These can easily be removed at time of use.
2. Put the entire mask/filter combo into a vacuum-seal bag and remove the air from the bag (make friends with your local butcher or deli to facilitate access to a suitable vacuum sealer machine!)
3. Keep it in a waterproof pouch either on your belt or drop-leg rig. In your ruck, trunk, or bug-out bag is no bueno if you need to don it in a hurry!
You took a boring subject and made it very entertaining! Bravo!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Car nerd here, even if you press the recirculate on your cars ac it still takes in some air from outside in order to positively pressurize the cabin of the car so DO NOT rely on the recirculate button to do any good
I just recently started watching you guys after running across your channel. Absolutely love it. Been watching all day.
Gas mask nerd here Mira made a direct copy of the OM-90 mask and made variants of it and are selling them for a massive mark up of like $200 but you could get things like the french M51 as you showed in the intro segment takes NATO filters and is like 30-40 dollars and filters shouldn't cost 20-50 dollars i get Israeli filters for $13 and they have a 30 year shelf life and filters NBC and CBRN or you could get a Chinese TF-1 a GP-5 knock off that takes GOST and NATO filters and rather than having straps it's a helmet hood mask so you just put your chin in and pull it over your head and it should seal.
Thank you ! It drives me a bit nuts. How Mira is recommended so much.
If you just want a mask for escape and don't need a drinking tube.
Then honestly look up what your fire brigade was using 10-15 years ago. And buy it for 20-30€ on a local market place. Make sure it isn't a positive pressure mask and has a 40mm thread. And your fine ^^
@@ianspy1 Yeah i think only military's need drinking tubes because it's gonna be hot in a combat zone but us civilians just need to escape we won't be wearing them for too long.
@@FleshStick360 I slightly disagree. Having the option to drink something while wearing the mask is a nice comfort. I appreciate this a lot as I wear my AMF12 about 2 times per week for 2-3 hours at a time.
And if you don't have much experience wearing a mask. And need to evacuate a zone on foot. It will be nice to have a liter of water to drink. Drinking cold water while wearing a hot mask and sweating is VERY refreshing xD. This ofc also means that you need to fill the bottle in a clean environment from a safe source.
And know how the system works.
The one from Avon is pretty fool proof. Having a valve in the bottle, drinking tube. And cut of when the straw isn't in the drinking position.
A good follow up would be the full kit of mop gear, but using over the counter items to counter chemicals. Like a gortex jacket and pants, rubber cleaning gloves, ect....
My favorite intro yet. You guys are awesome
I might be wrong but isn’t the Mira one a more expensive rebrand of a Czech mask or something?
100% right. they white label the Czech OM-90 mask
Thanks for talking about the fire problem guys!
This was the coolest video on gas masks ive ever seen
CS is the best decongestant I've ever used
A cheap solution for a voice box for gas masks, you can buy a piezo pick-up that's meant for acoustic guitars, attach the pick up on the inside in a space close your mouth, and attach the battery compartment wherever is out of the way. You shouldn't have to solder, just attach a piece of magnetic tape. They typically use 9V but there are lower power versions that can be used with AA's.
Huh that's interesting. Does it just kinda make your voice a bit louder, like a really tiny megaphone?
@@clamum9648 it uses the vibrations and converts it into electrical signal. Depending on the wiring inside the mask, you should be able to attach the piezo directly or use some tape on the wires. It would still sound very muffled but at least louder
What about for the folks who wear prescription glasses? Feel like this is an important point to get across as well.
I know you can get prescription lenses for the inside of the gas mask.
Kudos!
Keep up the great content boys
Thats a good question
They do make rx inserts for gasmask, but make sure they are for your specific model.
Avon sells inserts for all their mask that accommodate for glasses
Thought this episode would not apply to me in semi rural Louisiana but with all the chemical plants here and hurricanes that cause damage I think I may opt for a contingency plan now
one thing regarding filters,
something i personally got myself was an adapter that allows you to thread into a 40mm nato adapter to a 3M bayonet filter which you often see on their half face masks. CDC at least says the pink 60923s (organic acid/gas cartridge) are adequate for riot agents, so if you're heavily on a budget - it's an option
perfect? absolutely not, but it's better than nothing at all
The content is amazing, but you all need to know you filming masterpieces!! So good
I was pleasantly surprised with the amount if good information in this video. I wish this video was around when I first started collecting masks many years ago, would have saved me so much time in research.
Charcoal lined hunting suits are pretty useful for CBRN.
Used to think I didn't need one because military training largely convinced me we're straight fuckered if chem/bio weapons are in play.
Then my area had a forest fire and I saw the light.
I remember most of the Midwest and northeast of the US being like that for a week last summer from the Canadian "wildfires" it was smoky Af for like a week where I was.
@@ericsfishingadventures4433 Lol I remember using the respirator I use for school while picking up dog poo in my yard that year.
Also, why do you have wildfires in quotes?
Don’t forget to prep your vehicle as well. make sure your door & window seals are good shape. And if your vehicle has it to have a good quality cabin air filter. I recommend one with active carbon layer
You guys are nuts, and I'm grateful for your craziness. This was great stuff. Only thing I was wondering at the end was how to properly size your mask. Thanks for your sacrifice 🙂
I'm a minute and 15 in and can't help but comment. A Fallout opener playing 'the wanderer' - this man knows how to make a video. Love it.
wow this is a outstanding video and have learned so much about gas masks, I have the mira cm8m and I love it but like so many who may have a gas mask I too was limited with the information but after viewing your video I have a revised level of knowledge, thank you so much .
Maybe you should upgrade your mask to Avon for a clearer field of view. Those Mira masks are garbage.
FD guy here, another CBRN mask option is what we use.. MSA Ultra Elite / Firehawk
*Dont forget you absolutely need a MOPP suit too!*
Got a Ultra Elite for 30€ in my country. Some washing and silicon lube later. Its like new :D
But in Germany they sadly use the rubber straps. Not the mesh. Which starts to hurt on my big head after just an hour.
Also make sure you are getting a normal pressure version with a 40mm connector. As they often come with a spring exhale valve for positive pressure. As well as connectors for SCBA units.
Got a AMF12 (Dutch army contract version of the FM12) a few month later. With a "remploy peeler" suit.
The AMF12 is awesome ! Got a size 1 to fit my big head. And I use it about 2 times per week for 2-3 hours working on projects :D
I just got full face 3m respirators, olive-magenta filters, and suits. If it beats that, I guess we're screwed. On a super budget, and can't afford the good stuff.
Awesome Fallout stuff😂, wish for Gray Zone Warfare reference video soon 😉
That intro was absolutely a vibe .... should've been in the series lol
Never buy MIRA. Overpriced for what they sell. Buy from a trusted brand such as Avon or Scott.
A note on the water, they make adapters for running your drinking tube to a camelbak type bladder and not just a canteen. That way if you need water you just turn your straw on and it's ready.
I would have enjoyed this more if it wasn't a MIRA ad. Id have liked to see some surplus options talked about
This !
Don't cheap out on safety equipment. Like they mentioned, the actual mask is just a platform to host the filter. Get whatever mask you want, surplus or whatever, but don't get skimpy when it comes to the filters, which are what will actually save you.
I feel sense you guys did so well on teaching the basics of this can we get a radio video? Like the different types and how to use them?
Of course if it has not been covered already.
Wow! You guys really made "the video we wished others would have made for us". Its got everything. It even included an ops core mask. Which ive been eyeing a lot, but i think ill stick to Avon even though the opscore didnt fail, it just lacked a visor. Dont know if you guys tried convincing a cop or swat team to gas you guys since their stuff is different but although it wasnt included, it really wasnt necessary. Either way, huuuuuuuge props to you 2 and the crew.
Slight correction - European companies *are* audited, but only on yearly basis. Not once. The only difference is - there are no unannounced audits. Just regular planned yearly ones. They are as thorrow as US ones though.
I love how you do this for science :)
MIRA has a number of selections that do not require a proprietary filter; after watching this segment, I got onto the MIRA site and found the CM6M, CM7M, and CM8M. The 7 and 8 are designed with a cheek weld that make it easy to shoot a rifle - I bought a CM8M for myself, and a CM6M for an extra. Both have excellent visibility, as where the CM7M’s visibility is less than 75%.
All three accept a standard filter size, including the NATO filters. MIRA is planning on applying for NIOSH certification.
Thanks for a fun and informative segment of Dirty Civilian. I would have been pleased if you guys HAD’NT gassed yourselves, but I admire your commitment to your art! I don’t recommend the turn-it-upon-yourselves for testing body armor.
Just Sayin’.
MIRA is trash
I knew the song you chose for the intro just by the pace of the edits, and your finger waging tempo. Lfg
Whoa that sponsor read….. I remember CS funtivities.
I hate intros. Except these. I love these
Way to take about 10 for the team gentlemen.
I would also love to see a situation where you're in a van. Without a mask, sitting in a cloud of spray but while leaking compressed air out of a tank to create positive pressure inside the van
In the mid 80’s at 4 we moved to West Germany and I have fond memories of playing around the house in my gas mask.
Was hoping you guys were going to talk about the M45 at 0:32 in the video
I’ve just finished watching your recent video, “Gas Mask for Civilians.” Again, you guys have put out another totally appropriate video for civilians.
I haven’t checked any of the comments regarding my “two cent.” Something to be on the lookout for when purchasing a used mask is doing an all inclusive PM (Preventive Maintenance) check of your mask. I purchased a used M50 several years ago and noted that the self sealing disk valves were dry rotted and NOT self sealing. This is a definite no go. Make sure that that you review PN71016/10 Issue E. This publication will walk you through the use of the mask soup to nuts.
Great job guys! I look forward to more great content.
Gas mask collector here, a good gas mask setup for under $100 dollars would be an Iseral model 4/ 4a1 and a NATO 40mm CBRN filter. This is the most simple way to get valuable protection.
This is literally why I became a distributor for Dentec Safety. NIOSH on an affordable full-face mask.. and it's NOT done by the factory that makes them. a SEPARATE entity does. YES, the 130M is made of some chinese components, but it's PROPERLY tested etc.. and the filters are NOT made in china. Plus they had some really nice affordable decent eyewear.
Kool-aide packets also work to test your mask. The dust is incredibly fine, and has a strong scent.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Even with the absolute best Mask and Filters in the world, against legitimate chemical agents, whether industrial or weaponized agents, without a fullbody chemsuit and gas hood to seal the rest of your head around the mask; you're still getting dosed through skin absorption and depending on the agent, killed.
*Not CBRN trained or Certified, but was obsessed with it as a teen so have read my fair share*
For instance Sarin was mentioned, this is a Nerve Agent (The same class as VX, though Sarin is less powerful and is the gas itself thus less persistent; VX is so deadly and disruptive because it's a persistent agent aka an area denial weapon. The agent is a liquid that stays around and instead works by giving off gaseous fumes full of the VX) and is just as happy to absorb through your skin as your mucus membranes and lungs.
Secondly, the "Antidote" is more a vaccine than a cure, as Nerve Agents are ACE Inhibitors; and work by stopping these chemicals from turning off, FULLY activating your CNS and muscles to the point your contorted and paralyzed until the paralysis reaches your heart and lungs.
Atropine works like potassium tablets vs radioactive Iodide/Iodine or Carbon Monoxide vs Oxygen; it binds to the site of ACE Emzymes in your CNS so the Nerve Agent can't. But If you've already been sufficiently dosed by the agent, like inhaling a Lethal amount of carbon monoxide then trying an Oxygen mask, your bodies already bonded to the agent; there's nothing you can do (Pralidoxime can "somewhat", so is often combined with Atropine in Autoinjectors and during post-exposure treatment for Organophosphate/Nerve Agent poisoning). This is why the very first initial symptoms of Nerve Agent exposure are focused on so heavily in NBC/CBRN training, the Atropine Autoinjector must be administered AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to protect as much of your CNS as you can.
Symptoms are:
- Runny Nose and Hyper Salvation
- Unresponsive pinpoint pupils
- Muscle twitches/spasms
For Blister Agents like Mustard Gas, not breathing it in is amazing; but any unprotected skin will still be attacked. (But at least it's not your throat and lungs too)
For Choking Agents such as Chlorine Gas, a full face mask should be fine as long as you don't have any open wounds or "exposed moist or humid orifices". Chlorine and similar gasses work by creating acid when they contact water/moisture, so don't let them and you should be OK with proper De-Con. However I believe Phosgene can still be absorbed through the skin, so mask protections not universal depending on the Agent.
I don't remember the details about Blood Agents and how to protect against them, all I remember is they work by blocking your bloods ability to carry Oxygen (So I guess you could consider Carbon Monoxide a Blood Agent?).
22:00, I used to fit test the N95's for new employees in the compounding area to show them how to properly wear out and that it does filter out dust from the powders
Great video by the way - I love how people rag on MIRA, but the fact is they do have a quality product that fills a market need.
Avon is much better and actually certified. Mira takes Czech surplus masks and sells them at a HUGE mark up. If you want a Mira mask cheaper buy the actual mil issued one and it’s about $90.00
This was awesome, informative and fun content. Excellent job gents.
I work at a fire department and ended up finding a 3M RBE-L10 Breathe Easy Hood PAPR in the trash. Only thing I saw wrong with it was the filters were out of date. Score of the century since it's like $2k
Would love to see a follow up video comparing the effectiveness of various hardware-store respirators. The oil field requires that all workers keep a 3M respirator on hand in case of an H2S outbreak, so it would be interesting to see how they hold up to CS.
Personally i prefer the soviet GP5, it has a nice hint of asbestos to it!
They make a wire that plugs in the front hole of your voice box. That will plug into your headset
Thanks for doing this!! One video idea I wish someone would do is to go over how to escape NYC during some sort of event or attack. Trains will likely be shut down, so getting out will be tricky.
Our department issues the Avon CF50. They are very well made. I am also one of the gas mask testers to ensure they're working. We do it once a year. The seem to hold up well, even to us dumb cops.
I put a lower 1/3 red dot on top of a 2.26 unity riser. Thing was at least 3 inches tall. Those two mount heights combined seem like a very good height for gas mask shooting.
I love my MSA millennium. Peripheral vision is unparalleled. They have a drinking water tube and voice amps are available. Used it at work a few times for chemical spills, nothing serious though. First time I used it was cleaning up some citrus oil. I couldn't smell a even with a beard, but the guy working the trailer next to me had his face tingling.
I highly recommend getting a good PAPR over a regular gas mask, a gas mask will only work okay if you are in a tip top shape. For the avarage joe, exhaused, old, young or injured person a PAPR is a way better choice, just make sure to get one that takes standard rechargeable batteries!
Man, you guys do a great job with the movie clips you add in, but it would be beyond awesome, if you'd put the title of the movie in one of the corners of the video. Some of these look good, but I have no idea what they are. Thanks for the video, fellas.
Great suggestion!
Significantly better than Brandon Herrera's Fallout Spin. Good Work gents.
CBRN vet, I was told beard was a no go.
I have the AVON FM12 CBRN and it's damn good for using a rifle.
One of your best videos to date. Love yalls channel. Great educational and entertaining content.