Pathfinder 2e: COMBAT & TACTICS Vol. 6 - STEALTH MODE! How to play Hide and Seek in PF2! (Part 1/3)
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- Our Combat & Tactics series continues with Volume Six!
In this episode (part 1 of 3) we begin talking about the Stealth skill and how it can used to can Stealth inside an Encounter: we begin our conversations about how to gain a good Stealth skill and break down the various forms of cover and how they can be used in tandem with the Hide action.
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You can be unnoticed while in initiative. Say, if your party engages a big dragon and there’s an assassin hiding in the lair, and they have no reason to suspect this assassin’s presence, this assassin would be unnoticed.
Oh stealth, confusing subject, thanks for explaining it!
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Cover with a Tower Shield is underrated.
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So you can "take cover" if you're, what, like in an adjacent square of something you could potentially hide behind? So if you're in a room next to the wall? What about it the lizard-man was in front of the pilar instead of beside it, could he still have taken cover and hid? Also thanks for this very helpful series!
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Maybe I have misread the rules, but I always read it as greater cover is never a thing you can naturally find. Is basically lesser cover - > standard cover - > no-line of effect. And you need to use the Take Cover Action to turn a standard cover into greater cover. And that is the only way you can get greater cover, by taking cover behind something that gives standard cover. The idea being that anything that gives more cover naturally than standard cover would also provide a no-line of sight/effect. But perhaps I have read the rules to detailed 🤔🤔
If you look at the diagram in the book (where they are fighting an Ogre); they give an example of a character having greater cover "naturally" without the use of Take Cover (Specifically it's #4 with Kyra and the ogre)
@@KnightsofLastCall I have missed that last part, but that lends to the fact that you can get greater cover without taking the take cover action 👍good to know 😎😎
Just had the thought, if a tower shield requires a second action (take cover) to get its full bonus. Wouldn't that mean you have gained cover behind it and could then take the hide action to gain that flat check before being attacked. Okay it would take 3 actions and probably only last until the start of your next turn but if you were hastened could still stride or attack once. Just wondered what others thought about my interpretation.
Great question! Allow me to clarify:
Shields(Tower shields included) do not normally provide any type of cover. Shields and Cover both provide a circumstance bonus to your ac(shields' circumstance being having your shield raised, and cover being an obstacle within line of effect) and therefore don't stack. Tower shields however, do allow a special use of the take cover action to gain that extra bonus to AC, but doesn't grant anything else that cover would normally provide.
I agree with Matt; but it's a fun thought experiement! But!!!! Consider this!
Action 1: Drop Prone
Prone: You can Take Cover while prone to hunker down and gain greater cover against ranged attacks,
Action 2: Take Cover
Action 3: Hide??
It certainly seems like it wouldn't only apply vs. ranged attacks (since the Greater Cover only applies vs. Ranged attack); but RAW it seems like it would work and at least kinda partially almost makes sense :D
Stealth is one of the areas I feel PF2 went a little overboard. It makes perfect sense. The rules make perfect sense. But I feel like they made it more complicated than it really needed to be
Either way, nice video and a good series that I'm certain will be much appreciated by many.
As you say, stealth is complicated. But I don't think it's too complicated _because_ the rules make perfect sense. At least for me, it's easy to remember the rules because they make sense.
There is a reason why in most games that aspect is really hard to balance and implement well, it can be a hit or miss, integral part or irrelevant, so is fair that is complicated so you can adjust depending to your table.
How strong is Legendary Sneak? It seems potent on any character in combat. Not sure how it compares to the other legendary skills though.
Undetected is such a poorly worded condition considering they literally are detected. You detect their presence, but not their exact location.