So excited to see you covering III! Dow2 was a hard game for me to follow until I routinely watched your videos! Can't wait to see what I learn from these vids on III
Great match. One of the key mistakes the Orkz made here, is that they didn't pressure the SM Power Gens at the top right corner. Earlier on when Mana had a strong force and Vindicare was busy saving for tech, Orkz could have easily destroyed and recapped the top right corner (it's safe from the Defense Turret's range too.) That would have set back Vindicare big time, and Stormboyz could have quickly harassed the bottom center req point to take full map control.
This is the glory of any game with inadequate player information, players have to try and scout, and if they don't make the opportunity to do so, they have to guess.
Thanks for the video. There's another replay bug at 10:16. When you cursor over the Weridboy's Scrap Blast ability it shows the wrong template. That's the ability template for the LSM Librarian's Lightning ability.
Assault Leap is a "Command" ability of the Elite (VenDred's) and unlike "Presence" type of Elite abilities they can be chosen as early as level 3 and will affect you the whole match, not only when the Elite is present on the field. What level 8 does, is allow you access to that Command ability as a Doctrine, without having that specific Elite selected. So in this case VindicatorX only needs to have his VenDred at level 3 to benefit from Assault Leap.
Possible Elite Options for the Imperial Guard when their added in as a Faction: Lord General - Based on the Command Squad from the previous games. Packs Retinue Members that gain boosts and bonus abilities. Perhaps could switch from Melee to dedicated Shooting if need be. Lord Commissar - Their Melee based commander, inspires his men to great valor. Great counter to a lot of the melee infantry. Perhaps could be upgrades to fight tanks. Primaris Psyker - Could fit the role of spell caster nicely (didn't want to do Inquisitor as that's been done already, and is not very Imperial Guard). Perfect counter to the Warlock, Librarian and Weird Boy. Veteran Kasrkin - Range Infantry option, perhaps the best counter to the Kill Team and Terminators Ogryn - Super Melee unit. Capable to bashing just about everything in their path. Perfect counter to Assault Terminators. Vindicare Assassins - Sniper unit capable of picking off most targets, could upgrade ammo type to be more effective against infantry, elites, and tanks Leman Russ Executioner - Counter to the Venerable Dreadnaught. Baneblade - Counter to the Imperial Knight Stormblade - Counter to Lady Seloria
It's kinda interesting to watch. I just really miss seeing the portraits of the non elite units somewhere on the HUD. Without it, it just feels like they're faceless nobodies. Dow 2 got it right with the aesthetics though. Nothing in dow3 is eye catching enough despite it being more brightly colored and flashy than Dow 2. Also it sorta feels like the camera is too far away or the units aren't popping out as much as they did in the previous 2 games.
Looks like you have to rush against SM or use the upper hand to prepare counters for vehicles in the early game. Could use more balance in this regard.
Man I know VindicareX is a good player and all but... I can't help but feel both times he won thanks to Deathstorm and landspeeder cheese. Still this was a good series, gg
The orc player was bent on trying to rush vindicare, his whole tactic is down to taking out the generator early, getting resources from doing so and then ending the match then and there. Vindi manages to keep it together with a few units until he techs up early, and with early tech he reaps the reward by getting vehicles before his enemy has an answer for it. The orc player could focus on economy and getting higher tier units, but he chooses not to.
It was a well timed combo of Landspeeders, Gabriel coming in, and Deathstorm all together that helped him. Orkz could have won this won, but they didn't take advantage of harassment and map control as much as they should have. Orky player spent a little too much time trying to take down the Shield Generator, and lost a lot of valuable units and time doing so.
If you fail to counter cheese you deserve it; that's what makes it cheese and not imbalance. BUT, it's still early in the game's life so the meta will catch up quickly.
Just to be clear, VindicareX isn't getting landspeeders and winning in spite of being behind in the early game, rather his being behind in the early game is a direct consequence of his devoting resources to teching up. He plays a very threadbare desperate defense, and if he can make it work, he gets his landspeeder timing to win with. I don't know if that can be considered cheese, as much as stalling for his big tech payoff.
I might be misjudging but as it seems turtling till the higher tier and elites kick in seems like a valid option which sounds bad for a competitive RTS.
This game is definitely not for me. Compared to Dawn of War 2, there's very little to make replays exciting or fun to watch. Indrid, I love your casts, but I will be skipping all the DoW3 ones. :(
Hey Indrid, Love the channel and all your work, but with DOW3 the way it is right now I would much prefer to watch DOW2 - this game isn't half as much fun to watch. Just my opinion though - keep up the good work!
Sure has flaws, but it's not that bad of a game. The worst for me is that it tries too hard to be like Starcraft 2, which I think is a big mistake. Adding ridiculous amounts of micro to an rts game doesn't make it more strategic, it just makes it less fun for people to play. Anyway, the game surely needs improvements but it has potential and I don't think Relic will let it die, even it isn't a big success.
Hmmm I guess I look at games only through tryhard lens. In any competitive rts, moba, fps, I try for diamond-master level or the equivalent (highest amateur/lowest semi-pro rank) coz that's when people start to actually know what they are doing. Anyways, mechanics aside, my major gripe about DoW3 is similar to yours. I find it lacks decision-making, however in my eyes it makes DoW3 a VERY bad game. With the current 1v1 maps and how fast stuff dies, splitting your army is suicide except for very fast units. Its also too explicit where map control is important making it very linear and campy. How do you flank or pull apart armies in the shield? Picking elites and doctrines beforehand means less in game decisions plus creates a blind counter pick system. Especially since elites only cost elite points and time. Units are unbalanced so in the current nascent meta you are pigeonholed to one early build. I find base building adds very little to gameplay other than proxy because the most frustrating thing about this game is the turrets and escalation. You can't really harass nor scout the main base behind the turret, so you only know when tech is coming by counting resources and timings which is practically DoW2. You can have complete map control, wipe your opponents army and proxies, but if he doesn't gg out you have to starve him and macro for 5-10 minutes because the only way to lose is prematurely pushing a turret with T1 units. The game feels more designed around team games rather than 1v1
I wouldn't be worried about unit balance. If they decided they'll enter the e-sports scene it is certain they'll work on balancing the units, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to fund tournaments. Basically, that's the whole reason I believe they'll try to improve the game in the future. Also they say it has good modding support, so that's good too.
Seedmember so releasing something that wasn't thought through, imbalanced, and by design something which won't change without serious modding or rework is ok if you plan to do that later?
If anyone checked map maker you would understand why you cannot rotate map , some map objects are 2 d and opposite side of em are empty. Entire thing looks so rushed development started year 2013 and game still feels immensely rushed. 60 bucks alpha ... such as gaming in 2017.
of course not lmao its heresy because its a terrible game and even more so because it shames both Warhammer 40k and Dawn of War Besides, i liked the total warhammer replays, why doesnt he post more of those?
"Stop liking what I don't like!" If you don't like DoW3 fine, but stop trying to get everyone else to stop enjoying it. Its so boring listening to all you babies cry about it, just fucking go away and stop watching videos,casts and whatever about it.
Oh boy, the dreaded arrival of the 00's kid. DAE remember the 00's? Remember Age of Empires 2? Remember Half Life 2? I do! Games these days don't compare..
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So excited to see you covering III! Dow2 was a hard game for me to follow until I routinely watched your videos! Can't wait to see what I learn from these vids on III
Great match. One of the key mistakes the Orkz made here, is that they didn't pressure the SM Power Gens at the top right corner. Earlier on when Mana had a strong force and Vindicare was busy saving for tech, Orkz could have easily destroyed and recapped the top right corner (it's safe from the Defense Turret's range too.)
That would have set back Vindicare big time, and Stormboyz could have quickly harassed the bottom center req point to take full map control.
This is the glory of any game with inadequate player information, players have to try and scout, and if they don't make the opportunity to do so, they have to guess.
Thank you for casting these. Would love to see more in the future
Thanks for the video.
There's another replay bug at 10:16. When you cursor over the Weridboy's Scrap Blast ability it shows the wrong template. That's the ability template for the LSM Librarian's Lightning ability.
Great Job Indrid on the casting Loving the DoW 3 and DoW 2 coverage!!!!
Awesome cast, thanks for that! looking forward to the next one
Nice casts, hope you keep it up, nice to see other "builds" and tacts
Assault Leap is a "Command" ability of the Elite (VenDred's) and unlike "Presence" type of Elite abilities they can be chosen as early as level 3 and will affect you the whole match, not only when the Elite is present on the field.
What level 8 does, is allow you access to that Command ability as a Doctrine, without having that specific Elite selected.
So in this case VindicatorX only needs to have his VenDred at level 3 to benefit from Assault Leap.
loving these Indrid, keep em coming
Please keep these up! I know this game gets lots of (unwarranted) hate but its pretty enjoyable to play and watch.
Whoa, unexpected turn there. Nice to see tactics and counters forming up :)
hmm, maybe there still is hope .. (?) I'm somewhat curious about what can be achieved by the mod community.
yeah i think they should include more statistics in the tool tips and menus
Awesome stuff I love this game so much !
That was pretty masterful by VindicareX
I had no idea the servitors could repair the shield generator!
Only the shield part of it. Not the structures health :(
Miller Zajdel Still pretty handy.
Possible Elite Options for the Imperial Guard when their added in as a Faction:
Lord General - Based on the Command Squad from the previous games. Packs Retinue Members that gain boosts and bonus abilities. Perhaps could switch from Melee to dedicated Shooting if need be.
Lord Commissar - Their Melee based commander, inspires his men to great valor. Great counter to a lot of the melee infantry. Perhaps could be upgrades to fight tanks.
Primaris Psyker - Could fit the role of spell caster nicely (didn't want to do Inquisitor as that's been done already, and is not very Imperial Guard). Perfect counter to the Warlock, Librarian and Weird Boy.
Veteran Kasrkin - Range Infantry option, perhaps the best counter to the Kill Team and Terminators
Ogryn - Super Melee unit. Capable to bashing just about everything in their path. Perfect counter to Assault Terminators.
Vindicare Assassins - Sniper unit capable of picking off most targets, could upgrade ammo type to be more effective against infantry, elites, and tanks
Leman Russ Executioner - Counter to the Venerable Dreadnaught.
Baneblade - Counter to the Imperial Knight
Stormblade - Counter to Lady Seloria
So is the generator and stuff meant to be C'Tan tech? Why didn't they make it unique to each race?
It's kinda interesting to watch. I just really miss seeing the portraits of the non elite units somewhere on the HUD. Without it, it just feels like they're faceless nobodies. Dow 2 got it right with the aesthetics though. Nothing in dow3 is eye catching enough despite it being more brightly colored and flashy than Dow 2. Also it sorta feels like the camera is too far away or the units aren't popping out as much as they did in the previous 2 games.
Jujubeans Regular squads do indeed have portraits on the lower left. Also, if you want to see the units closer you're able to zoom in at any time.
The Elite Point Gen. brings it to 90 secs. down from 120 secs.
Indrid, be honest, u love this dow3 aswell as lot of us are loving it ú_ú
Keep the dow3 action coming bro
Still in the habit of expecting a fight on the contested VP.....
*sigh*
otherwise, enjoying the DoW3 casts!!
the actual space marine's meta is the raven guard war style ( scout +assault marines + speeders )
It's cause Tacs are a massive amounts of shit. :(
Looks like you have to rush against SM or use the upper hand to prepare counters for vehicles in the early game. Could use more balance in this regard.
Man I know VindicareX is a good player and all but... I can't help but feel both times he won thanks to Deathstorm and landspeeder cheese.
Still this was a good series, gg
The orc player was bent on trying to rush vindicare, his whole tactic is down to taking out the generator early, getting resources from doing so and then ending the match then and there.
Vindi manages to keep it together with a few units until he techs up early, and with early tech he reaps the reward by getting vehicles before his enemy has an answer for it.
The orc player could focus on economy and getting higher tier units, but he chooses not to.
It was a well timed combo of Landspeeders, Gabriel coming in, and Deathstorm all together that helped him. Orkz could have won this won, but they didn't take advantage of harassment and map control as much as they should have. Orky player spent a little too much time trying to take down the Shield Generator, and lost a lot of valuable units and time doing so.
If you fail to counter cheese you deserve it; that's what makes it cheese and not imbalance. BUT, it's still early in the game's life so the meta will catch up quickly.
Just to be clear, VindicareX isn't getting landspeeders and winning in spite of being behind in the early game, rather his being behind in the early game is a direct consequence of his devoting resources to teching up. He plays a very threadbare desperate defense, and if he can make it work, he gets his landspeeder timing to win with.
I don't know if that can be considered cheese, as much as stalling for his big tech payoff.
I am absolutely loving DoW 3 :) even as a dow1/2 player.
I might be misjudging but as it seems turtling till the higher tier and elites kick in seems like a valid option which sounds bad for a competitive RTS.
My main gripe with Dow III so far are these 14-16 min GGs. I mean I understand where it is coming from but it sucks never seeing cooler units.
Indrid, workers are Detectors as well. :)
that flanking with the land speeders then drop pod. space marines messed up the orks bad.
Orkz became too passive after that gene rush
Nice!
great cast Indrid (even if I prefer dow 2 ^^)
Speeders hit waaaay too hard for the mobility they have.
This game is definitely not for me. Compared to Dawn of War 2, there's very little to make replays exciting or fun to watch. Indrid, I love your casts, but I will be skipping all the DoW3 ones. :(
It feels like cheese. Maybe this is how dow3 is like. I luv vidi tho but that win did seem real cheesy
Eh, DOW III is OK. Indrid Casts is excellent.
Ugh I wanted mana to win, much more enjoyable to watch than mr.hide in base and harass generators and mass assault marines.
Hey Indrid, Love the channel and all your work, but with DOW3 the way it is right now I would much prefer to watch DOW2 - this game isn't half as much fun to watch. Just my opinion though - keep up the good work!
As always amazing casts, but I am extremely disappointed in dow3. Could have been great.
Sure has flaws, but it's not that bad of a game. The worst for me is that it tries too hard to be like Starcraft 2, which I think is a big mistake. Adding ridiculous amounts of micro to an rts game doesn't make it more strategic, it just makes it less fun for people to play.
Anyway, the game surely needs improvements but it has potential and I don't think Relic will let it die, even it isn't a big success.
And it's already too much. SC 2's style of play offers entertainment for those who watch the tournaments, but it's a total bitch to play with.
you serious? this game doesn't require even half the micro and macro of SC 2.
Hmmm I guess I look at games only through tryhard lens. In any competitive rts, moba, fps, I try for diamond-master level or the equivalent (highest amateur/lowest semi-pro rank) coz that's when people start to actually know what they are doing. Anyways, mechanics aside, my major gripe about DoW3 is similar to yours. I find it lacks decision-making, however in my eyes it makes DoW3 a VERY bad game. With the current 1v1 maps and how fast stuff dies, splitting your army is suicide except for very fast units. Its also too explicit where map control is important making it very linear and campy. How do you flank or pull apart armies in the shield? Picking elites and doctrines beforehand means less in game decisions plus creates a blind counter pick system. Especially since elites only cost elite points and time. Units are unbalanced so in the current nascent meta you are pigeonholed to one early build. I find base building adds very little to gameplay other than proxy because the most frustrating thing about this game is the turrets and escalation. You can't really harass nor scout the main base behind the turret, so you only know when tech is coming by counting resources and timings which is practically DoW2. You can have complete map control, wipe your opponents army and proxies, but if he doesn't gg out you have to starve him and macro for 5-10 minutes because the only way to lose is prematurely pushing a turret with T1 units. The game feels more designed around team games rather than 1v1
I wouldn't be worried about unit balance. If they decided they'll enter the e-sports scene it is certain they'll work on balancing the units, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to fund tournaments.
Basically, that's the whole reason I believe they'll try to improve the game in the future. Also they say it has good modding support, so that's good too.
Seedmember so releasing something that wasn't thought through, imbalanced, and by design something which won't change without serious modding or rework is ok if you plan to do that later?
+1
more DOW3 games . DOW3 is the best game ever
This map looks like it's made from early editions cardboard terrain from the table top lol.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Heh, yeah, I'm super on the fence about the game itself, but I kinda like the whole tabletop look they've got going on.
If anyone checked map maker you would understand why you cannot rotate map , some map objects are 2 d and opposite side of em are empty. Entire thing looks so rushed development started year 2013 and game still feels immensely rushed. 60 bucks alpha ... such as gaming in 2017.
No concede....bwahahahahahaha!
Not very interesting..
its time.... TO STOP
no more heresy indrid, pls
Dave De Ruijter just because it's not dow2 does not make it heresy lol
of course not lmao
its heresy because its a terrible game
and even more so because it shames both Warhammer 40k and Dawn of War
Besides, i liked the total warhammer replays, why doesnt he post more of those?
"fight over cover spot for 10 hours"
there's a billion and one DoW2 replays on this channel, i suggest you watch at least one of them before ranting
"Stop liking what I don't like!"
If you don't like DoW3 fine, but stop trying to get everyone else to stop enjoying it.
Its so boring listening to all you babies cry about it, just fucking go away and stop watching videos,casts and whatever about it.
I will never understand why so many ppl hate on Dow 3
this game suck when you comparing with Dawn of War 1
ofcourse kids these days dont know about dow1
Yeah because 2004 was like a million years ago and the only people who were alive back then are now wise old men right
You sound a lot like my friend, who is crotchety for no particular reason about new DoW games.
DoW 1 was good, but only after 3 expansions. And patching was really bad in that game especially with bigger armies and vehicles thrown in mix.
Oh boy, the dreaded arrival of the 00's kid. DAE remember the 00's? Remember Age of Empires 2? Remember Half Life 2? I do! Games these days don't compare..