MAGICAL FAIRY DUST - TIMING - ACCUMULATION - ENSONIQ DP4 - S770 - USAMO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- I've made a few videos about the Roland S770 and thought the channel needed one which shows the accumulative effect of multiple audio sources output from the S770. To add to that I demo how well the S770 works with an Ensoniq DP4 and also demo the overall timing of midi sent to the S770 from the USAMO sample accurate audio to midi converter. All audio/music sources is live from the S770.
The point is to reveal how this stuff matches up in a real-world situation.
Kind of amazing really. The DP4 and S770 are over 30 years old. Today they work well in my hybrid analog/digital system.
MOOTANT Just amazing
DP4 is not over 30 years old, especially when you wrote this a year ago. It came out in 1992.
@@antonisatwork You got me - but in a couple of years, it will be. :)
@@MOOTANT1 Given what month in 1992 that it came out, we are indeed finally there. The DP4 is officially more than 30 years old. And still kicking a$$! Will never sell mine. Thanks for your great demos! Cheers from California. 🎹👍🏻
Do you happen to know what I could use to transfer samples now of days from sampler to computer? Zip drive or floppy emulator?
Chris--I can't describe HOW HAPPY I am to see your new production techniques page! Not only that, but you seem to be posting new content fairly regularly which is fantastic. Just the other day I was trying to figure out the best way to get stable clock between the computer and a piece of hardware....and BAM here it is!! I've been making my way through all your vids and I don't think I've ever been this happy to watch production technique videos. So many thanks for taking the time to do these. There are people like myself out there that respect your work and your process immensely. To take an educational look into that process makes me appreciate your music even more. Take care and keep it up brother!
Thanks Matt.
If the channel grows I will put in more effort.
For now its a bit random with uploads depending on what I'm doing in the real world.
My general approach is to not babysit viewers What I'm doing is kind of what producers do when making records and I suppose behind the scenes fo what the viewer is seeing might be quite advanced??.
I will do videos that go into explaining what I'm doing and why X plugin or hardware is great but that's not the ultimate aim of the channel. I think newcomers into the game can drown in all that stuff.
BTW I fully recommend the Expert Sleepers USAMO. Im only using one, sending midid to multiple exterenal boxes with minimal issues. I will pick up one more to split the load between two USAMO's
@@MOOTANT1 If you combine Expert Sleepers modules ES-40 and ESX-8MD in a small enclosure, you get 8 individual MIDI ports out from one SPDIF. Perhaps more cost-effective than multiple Usamo's, depending on how many ports you need. Make sure the enclosure is deep enough! It is easy to get one too shallow, as my supplier found out, twice.
One thing to note about usamo, is that as accurate as it is, midi still is a serial interface, so the sample accurate thing is only when sending only one event at a time (like midi clock). From the moment you send two or more events at the same time, it´s not sample accurate anymore (only the first note!). Each note on event is approx 0.9 ms, so 10 notes simultaneously gives you almost 10 ms of jitter. Usamo still is the best option though. One good way to check midi timing is recording some fast notes on a hihat or some short percussive sound, and see how aligned to the grid is. That´s a more "scientific" approach. I don`t have a 770, but I have a DJ-70 which I bought for literally 30 dollars, and I wanted to see how good the timing was. I´ll do some tests, as I also have an usamo. Cheers and thanx for the video.
Damn, used to produce on the S750, back in the day. Now undusting the DP/4 ...
Nice track, btw. Hope you got it published.
Nah just loops for the videos.
It's the way the Dp4 FX becomes part of the sound. The FX don't sound like they are another layer on top of the sound.
Picked mine up today. Looking forward to incorporating it into my workflow.
Great track by the way. God i wish i could make music like that. Uolifting trance amd similar genres were my fav
Good luck. Remember, it is an enhancer and becomes part of the sound without taking over.
The music style is easy enough, just a basic chord sample, dubby bass, and a synth.
Good luck 😉
@MOOTANT1 thanks mate! 🇦🇺
I'm crawling all your vids now since I discovered you use the DP4 :) I really think the DP4 needs to be recreated in a next-gen unit. Last year I emailed Jon Dattorro, the genius behind the ESP2 DSP architecture, asking if he'd considered partnering with some modern music manufacturer to recreate it. He did say he'd be open to the idea but unless a modern manufacturer approaches him it won't happen. Others who love its unique capabilities need to put the idea out there to modern gear manufacturers.
I agree. Maybe as more people become aware of the DP4 it could happen. Perhaps we could see a VST and new hardware version in the future.
Great vid. Timed my S1000 and Notator SL down to 2 samples max jitter when playing back a single track. Was surprised to see how tight it was. Funny I read reports the S7 series had some timing issues but doesn't look like it here. Interesting about the Quadraverb, just got one and really like it, but that's true some combos just work naturally.
Great review of this fabulous machine ! Please we need this track is just pure fire !!! Love that
yeah.... love this. having similar fun with an Ensoniq EPS 16+ rack into OTO BIM and BAM. subscribed.
Thanks! Very inspired. Ordered DP4 after watch this video!
Welcome to the club :)
Really enjoyed your presentation. Thank you!
Thanks Phable.
just coming across this now but its very true good job! The s series samplers are amazing! My entire setup is basically an s330 and dp4 lol.
I've been wanting a DP/4 for soooooo long now!
They do come up from time to time. There's also the DP4+. It has better headroom. Only thing I recall was the delays were brighter, higher quality. Could be good, maybe not. Only used one for an hour or so over 20 years ago. They are the same machine, but the + was created as a slightly improved version including new FX algos....but maybe the lower quality is better for alt tastes?
Anyway, nice to hear from you Jay :)
THX for sharing your knowledge
Amazing work and value. Thank you!
Great video Very inspiring just subbed from NYC
The Mootant appreciates the sub and will soon get back to creating videos for the channel :)
Part of your sound was down to the Roland samplers and the filter on it. All of those classic Hook, Bellboy and Panther records are full of it.
I would say the S7 was the core of my sound.
Excellent video, came here for the DP4, but been looking into the USAMO as well. Timing seems/hears spot on, but the real issue is recording the audio back into the DAW. Especially with f.i. syncing drumcomputers which only need midi sync that's a nightmare.
Awesome video. I'm curious if you remember which DP4 preset did you used? IMO the reason it blends so well and not in your face is because it is 32k engine. If you like it, you will also like DRP-20 (blackface) which is also 32k and can do some VERY impressive reverbs. There are some other sleepers like DPS-R7 from Sony (Biosphere - Substrata is all R7 + S3000 internal FX). And more...but comment section is too small...
HI Don, I'm familiar with you via the GS forum.
I don't really use a particular preset. I set my DP4 up as a 4U effect so I just flick through verbs and delays. I think you're right about why the verbs and delays blends in. I have plenty of virtual FX but can't seem to find one I like over the DP4's efforts. Thanks for the tip on those other FX boxes - Ill check them out.
@@MOOTANT1 Oh. Do you have an acc on the at the GS? You have a great channel and it deserves to be promoted there. There are many channels out there, but someone who is an expert in the area can recognize it immediately - ie. this guy knows the job! As soon as I saw first couple of seconds I knew this was serious channel and not another "wow gee look at that effects box!".
@@DonSolaris Well, thank you, sir, your splendid comment is most appreciated. One thing I will never do is a WOW GEE WOW video just for the sake of it - I have to believe in what I'm saying. There are certainly music commentators on YT who are basically frauds and whilst it seems like a route to popularity it is not something I will do hence why I don't post videos often. I've been semi ill the past 8 months but will start making videos again soon. Ill contact you on GS :)
nice channel, i am in need of a fx unit seriously a considering a dp4 now that I have seen.
Try to borrow one first if you ever get the chance. DP4 works for me, but it may not be everyone's cup of tea. However, if you do gel with it then it's worth the price 10X over.
Whats the use of an eventide when there is ensoniq dp2/4 thanks man!
Good demo ...thank you :-)
awesome, love your videos! where can I listen to the this track?
Thanks for the great vid, very nice sounds! I was wondering, do you use two separate fx chains to the DP/4 for the delay and reverb here? Or are the fx combined in one preset?
Separate (parallel mode). I've always used the DP4 as if it were 4 separate FX boxes. I started off using it that way and continued bcz it was the only FX box I wanted to use (I had others) and did so on hundreds of records. Probably missed out on some great FX chains but as a 4 unit parallel FX box it has always worked great for me. If I were to use it in serial I would likely use it as 2 unit serial and no doubt as a one unit FX box some fantastic FX chains would happen.
@@MOOTANT1 Thanks for the detailed reply! I am assuming you are using a hall reverb and one of the delay algorithms here? Did you have to tweak a lot to get this preset or do they sound good straight out the box? About to purchase a DP4 tonight, partly because of your videos :-)
@@cmroosen Yes, I think it was a hall reverb. I usually set up two verbs ( a short and long one), a dual delay and a tempo delay which is more like a mono delay. But keep in mind that was my standard setup because the DP4 was the only FX box I used on many records. The need for a 4 aux send system (4 FX) sort of prevented me using other FX algos and configurations. Now with access to a lot more FX via plugins I'm able to experiment more with the DP4 and many of the other algos are really good such as the chorus and distortions. Even stuff like its compressor whilst brutal is interesting as is the EQ and filter. So def experiment, don't just use it in the way I had to use it.
I never had to tweak much and once I had 4 FX I was happy with I pretty much used the same ones all the time and just tweaked a little to suit the song I was working on. When you turn it off and on it returns to the exact same state.
Don't expect shiny glittery FX sound like we get with plugins. The Dp4 blends with the sound - it doesn't sit on top of the sound and doesn't get lost in the mix like some other FX and plugins I have used. It's a very musical FX unit imo.
Good luck, have fun :)
Chris--Did you or do you currently use the Roland RC-100 remote controller with the S-750/770? Do you know how much easier they make using the samplers?
K man. This is dope.
Hey Chris, by the way--do you use a USB Flash Drive emulator or similar in your S-750/770? As soon as I get my S-750 repaired, I wanted to look into that. Do you have any brand/model suggestions for faster load times & larger data partitions via a USB flash stick emulator or similar?
I purchased this SCSI Flash Drive. Works great. Highly recommended. Forget ZIP drives and old SCSI hard drives. Major hassle and they break easily.
samplerzone.com/collections/storage/products/external-scsi2sd-v5-1-drive
this looks perfect, thanks! BTW, I just found this MSX to USB converter install kit for the Roland S-Samplers. No more Roland mouse if this works correctly--I can use my trackball that I prefer:
Don't waste your time and money with a USB Floppy Emulator when you can use your SCSI port to connect a SCSI2sd unit.....if you want to know more just ask as I have them for sale pre-configured with an adaptor for the S770, S760, S750 for good price.,,,,,here's some info on it.
llamamusic.com/s50s550/microSD_Partitioning.html
@@8waysanta How can I contact you directly?
@@twollons8149 send me an email....8waysanta@gmail.com
What multi io audio interface do you use out of interest? I defo need to try this integration of send/returns in the DAW with my DP/2 and SE70, which I currently just use in a conventional mixer way. The hook reverb alway did sit well with its source material, modern DAWs/plugins are too vanilla.
I have a Presonus Quantum and a Ferrofish Pulse 16 which gives me 24 ins and outs. Everything connected to patch bays, but you don't need that.
@@MOOTANT1 Ah good setup. I'm trying similar routing with FX units using an XR18 that has 6 aux sends. Have it wired correctly, just need to figure out how to make the aux sends active in the frickin software...
@@RaveyStabsHow does the se70 compare to the dp2/dp4?
I always thought that the effects on the se70 blended great into the mix just like Chris says here about the dp4.
Now I’m wondering if the se70 can compete against the dp4.
I’ve compared the sound of the delays on my se70 to those on my strymon timeline and the se70 has a special mojo over the timeline. It sounds much warmer and a lot sweeter.
@@dxtrs_mnpltrboth SE70 and DPs are very characterful boxes. DP is probably a step up, reverb better and I particularly like its musical phaser (there's a plugin emulation of it, Phaser-DDL). SE70 is rawer 12 bit, I like its overdrive and modulation fx too (search "TD3 impromptu", half way through that I let loose) and use it for delay.
I'm sorry, sir. I didn't mean to barge in.
What do you think of the akai s5000?
god forbid some of those clips should start on an offbeat
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Man how are you routing all this? You unmute that track and everything but the drums is run through the dp4...what's going on there?
It's a bit complex to explain in the comments section. essentially I have every input and output from every piece of gear connected to the ins and outs of my audio interfaces (24 ins and outs). Everything can be brought up in the DAWs mixer. It's just like a traditional studio with a hardware mixer except I'm using the Daws virtual mixer instead. It's a very flexible system.
Can I PM you about the S770?
Jade, ask any Q's here. Not sure if there is a PM function for TH-cam.