I've actually compiled a list of non-subspecies Subspecies. Confirmed or implied in-game: Black Diablos (female in heat) Ashen Lao Shan Lung (volcanic ash) Baleful Gigginox (mutation) Goldbeard Ceadeus (old individual) Confirmed in ancillary material: Emerald Congalala (old male, dyed fur) Plum D. Hermitaur (poor diet) Terra S. Ceanataur (very good diet) Black Gravios (subject to great heat) Abyssal Lagiacrus (old Lagiacrus/Ivory) Implied but unconfirmed: Red Khezu (non-albino variant?) Shah Dalamadur (after molting?) Possibly result of a mistake: Pyre Rakna Kadahki (separate genus)
I'll give a bit of minor elaboration on a few of these Black Diablos and Baleful Gigginox are outright confirmed to not be Subspecies by their in-game descriptions. The latter is believed to be the result of a mutation, explaining its relative rarity. Ashen Lao Shan Lung's description discusses how the colouration of a Lao Shan Lung depends on the environment it grew up in, while Goldbeard's says its relationship with the regular variant isn't clear. Both are all but confirmed to not be subspecies in ancillary material. Emerald Congalala is actually grey. You can even tell this by the beard, which is still grey Black Gravios's skeleton is also discoloured. Abyssal Lagiacrus is a mature variant of both subspecies of Lagiacrus (I infer that the regular version is the so-called nominate subspecies, aka. the one identified first). The booklet for the Ivory Lagiacrus statue explains that the two populations diverged only very recently, so them becoming nigh indistinguishable when fully mature isn't too surprising. Pyre Rakna Kadaki's juvenile variant, the Pyrantula, is classified separately within the Sunbreak phylogenetic tree from Rakna Kadahki and the Raknoids (Pyre Rakna Kadaki is not listed, but it's the same animal). It is the only subspecies featured in the phylogenetic tree, and as a separate genus from Rakna Kadaki no less, which would mean that it's a very similar looking but genetically entirely distinct relative. Assumedly, the way the Guild would have determined this in-universe is by seeing if the two Kadakis are interfertile: subspecies can produce fertile offspring with eachother (males may be sterile however), while most related species and genera cannot (canids are a notable exception).
LOVE this series. Glad to see Gaijin again. It’s been a long time since I’ve visited. You were the OG guy I watched for Monster Hunter back when I started with the very first game. Cheers to more videos buddy!
for how diverse the subspecies category can be, all you have to do is look at broccoli and kale. They are both derived from the same plant. Actually, just look up Brassica Oleraceae and all it's subspecies. It's like the dog of plants, it's crazy.
Deviants and Risen are my favorites in terms of end game content, but in terms of the actual monsters and the lore behind them then it's probably Rare species (since there hasn't been a single one I've disliked out of that group so far), and most if not all of their fights have been great too.
The problem is the source it came from is a special anniversary report in which the MH staffs interview biologists and other scientist to try and explain the biology of some of the monsters and this the info given are sketchy at best
@@floofmeister52well in the case of malzeno it's more true given primordial is how the dragon is supposed to look like before he became the host of those qurios But that's on the variant side of things
I'm looking forward to what adjective of "angry" they are going to use for a future variant in Wilds. Seething Bazel still makes me slightly chuckle to take seriously.
No disrespect to the very busy localizers at capcom, but hearing what gaijinhunter translates the japanese names to made me come up with my own names for the special variants in rise. Apex > Raid Leader, Afflicted > Enthralled (kind of fits the story where they assumed initially that the affliction came from Malzeno, the "vampire" dragon). Risen is a pretty good term, but if I had to change it I would call them Unshackled Elder Dragons. The Qurio can't control them anymore.
Man I'm so happy your back gaijlitsome times I just put your weapon tutorial videos on the back ground while I play games all because I love how you explain everything and ofcourse not to sound wierd but you do have a soothing voice too so it relaxes me ❤ much love gaijin keep up the amazing work
I miss the Frenzied/Apex virus, yeah the Apex had...issues, but for me it was mainly the weapon deflecting. I do like how Afflicted kinda brought that back, though. I do miss how the monster would just pass out for a few seconds and here the spoopy music before becoming Frenzied, though. lol
This feels like a relevant question. In the context of Monster Hunter, how is an entire species referred to in Japan, with Entire Species referring to the the Base Species and all subspecies/variants/rare species that belong to that Entire Species. This is at least a problem in English as referring to the Base Species as the Base Species is easy but referring to the species as whole is always a little odd. Personally at least for the English names I think giving Base Species a subspecies adjective would be easy and additionally make the setting/world of Monster Hunter feel more developed(as in enhancing how developed it feels, I am not suggesting it isn't developed). Sorry if this has was bothersome, this will be the last time I post this question in case it is.
It is actually the same name. Like you can say that "All Rathalos (the species) will eat this and that" and that technically refers to Rathalos and Azure Rathalos, etc. I agree, to keep it more precise, having a term to denote when talking about the species or the "base species" might be nice, but I also haven't really seen any need/places that an entire monsters species (including the subspecies and variants) are being talked about collectively. ^^
The Apex Monsters of Rise are not just a little similar to the Deviants. They are all as similar as capcom could make them without putting in alot of extra work in. And they dont just look similar. they also get similar upgrades. I dont think its a coincidence that only Monsters with Deviant versions are the ones that also got an Apex version. And it all makes sense when you think about how both Deviants and Apex Monsters are created when they overcome death.
My favorite system was definitely the one in GU. Hyper monsters were fun to fight, and I loved the deviants (even though unlocking those missions were painful)
16:00 Great video as always. Qurio being underground leeches but still rely on flight makes me wonder in which kind of environment it's useful to evolve flight underground. Heard some people theorize about hollow earth which would be cool to visit some day.
on the topic of deviants if i remember correctly the stated reason for deviants is not strictly environmental, it's the fact that they have had hunters come after them and started adapting to specifically hunt hunters. this coupled with a way to identify these specific ones resulted in the guild giving them special names to differentiate them from standard ones. this is also why it required a permit to hunt them, because the fear was not for the safety of the hunters but because they were afraid of how the dragons will mutate further if they are fed even more hunters considering what has already apparently happened.
Personally, I would still classify the risen monsters as power up monsters and not a new species. Also the rise apex monsters as baby/pre-evolution deviants because of their movesets and similar appearances. Also primordial melzeno and red khezu are technically the original monster and malzeno and khezu would be the subspecies/variants.
I love how Elder Dragons are both a class for creatures that have sever affects on the eco-system to the point of being natural disasters, but also the class for whatever doesn't fit in the other categories.
Really glad to see you posting again man! Your videos are always so comforting. P.S after visiting Japan I now know what gaijin hunter means lol, I kept seeing it while in tokyo and thought you were some sort of local celebrity
correction on gore magala for gaijin. it does in fact have eyes. the eyes are normally covered and only really visible in its enrage state (with horns up), but it apparently is fully capable of sight at all times as flashes work on it at all times. as further evidence, the shagalu magara which is just the adult version of gore constantly has its horns up and the eyes are therefore visible.
You cannot flash Gore Magala, it is completely immune to Flash Bombs. Gore Magala has not yet developed eyes, they are beneath its scales, and only get revealed once it becomes a Shagaru Magala (which can be flashed).
Another think most of the Deviants actually would fit into thw variant category better as some are just born either better, stronger because of the environment around them or a random mutation
2:26 Aren't subspecies exactly that? Entire groups of monsters that live in a region different than their original one and having adapted and evolved to thrive there? I don't agree with calling them essentially shiny pokemon.
In Monster Hunter, the majority of Subspecies genuinely are subspecies. The only one that could be considered a "shiny" is Baleful Gigginox, since similar to how shinies are just Pokemon born with a different colouration, the Baleful Gigginox's yellow-and-purple colouration is owed to a mutation.
I think something the 二つ名持(futatsunamochi) explanation could have had some clarification. It does just literally mean second name but it can also refer to something like a title or epithet earned for a great accomplishment, especially in battle
For the most part, I've always considered sub species for monsters that were affected by a new environment compared to the base version. Whereas rare species is a rare birth defect for the monsters, like being born albino but with overwhelming power perhaps latent within, or they're super strong from the start
apex / rampage, arch/tempered, deviant, infected (magala) and infected (qurio) are all very similar creatures that have been tempered by surviving really stupid battles. tempered and deviant stand so do specifically because of hunters, while the other three are due to (specifically) elder dragons driving the creature insane... and all three of the latter create a special subtyping of dragons that adapted to the berserker stuff they were infected by causing them to physically mutate. honestly i am hopeful capcom will put more emphasis on these battle mutants as it creates an easy variation and buff to fights. also would have them create a better distinction between frenzy and qurio because as is there isn't much of any. as to rampage the only actual difference from the other two is that the dragons are brainwashed to go to the nesting location (the old city) before each other to the death and are largely mindless in that pursuit... so basically all three are the same but rampage aims the destruction first.
The way I see it back then, they were really species, but now most are just gameplay mechanics. Would you count those or just the sub, rare and variant?
I'm at 5:50, but I got a question. When you say the rare species are almost as powerful as elder dragons, what are we comparing its power on? Do we scale a monster's general power off of their survivability amongst other monsters, or do we scale a monster's power off of their natural destructiveness in a living ecosystem or environment?
as to elder dragons... the guild doesn't try to prevent people from hunting them so permitting creatures that are "nearly as strong" does not make sense. while the guild advises that you run if you encounter an elder, they don't in any way try to control the issue. only individual members of the guild do. further the guild collects information on all dragons but consistently purges information on elder dragons to the point they become figures of myth and legend only. why? who knows. could be them trying to prevent people from going after them to protect the people. or it could be because they worship them. because the qualifications to be an elder dragon is two simple ones. first it must defy the existing categorization in some way. second is it must alter the environment it lives in. for example the kirin causing frequent lightning storms in its territory. or kushala daora causing windstorms and tornadoes.
This probably will be answered in next bestiary video, but I always wondered; "Does Ruby Basarios matured into Black Gravios?" Now, that I learn that Black Gravios is technically just a regular Gravios, what happened to all Ruby Basarios? Why there are no Ruby Gravios? Or maybe there are Ruby Gravios, we just don't hunt them Also, technically Primordial Malzeno is the base/original species right? Which make Malzeno the variant or afflicted, but not risen? while also not dead by Qurios? Yea, I'm confused.
With Plum Daimyo Hermitaur being a Daimyo that didn't get a proper diet, why then does it change it's shell? Is there an actual reason, or is it just gameplay related to differ it from the base species
Temperef is wrong. They are not old battle worn.. they were minsters who ate too much life crystals getting boosted by them. Thats why they look more cristaline
MISTAKE: I accidentally say 傀異化 (anomoly) is kokuika but as you can tell from the Risen term, it should be KAIIKA. Sorry!
I've actually compiled a list of non-subspecies Subspecies.
Confirmed or implied in-game:
Black Diablos (female in heat)
Ashen Lao Shan Lung (volcanic ash)
Baleful Gigginox (mutation)
Goldbeard Ceadeus (old individual)
Confirmed in ancillary material:
Emerald Congalala (old male, dyed fur)
Plum D. Hermitaur (poor diet)
Terra S. Ceanataur (very good diet)
Black Gravios (subject to great heat)
Abyssal Lagiacrus (old Lagiacrus/Ivory)
Implied but unconfirmed:
Red Khezu (non-albino variant?)
Shah Dalamadur (after molting?)
Possibly result of a mistake:
Pyre Rakna Kadahki (separate genus)
I'll give a bit of minor elaboration on a few of these
Black Diablos and Baleful Gigginox are outright confirmed to not be Subspecies by their in-game descriptions. The latter is believed to be the result of a mutation, explaining its relative rarity.
Ashen Lao Shan Lung's description discusses how the colouration of a Lao Shan Lung depends on the environment it grew up in, while Goldbeard's says its relationship with the regular variant isn't clear. Both are all but confirmed to not be subspecies in ancillary material.
Emerald Congalala is actually grey. You can even tell this by the beard, which is still grey
Black Gravios's skeleton is also discoloured.
Abyssal Lagiacrus is a mature variant of both subspecies of Lagiacrus (I infer that the regular version is the so-called nominate subspecies, aka. the one identified first). The booklet for the Ivory Lagiacrus statue explains that the two populations diverged only very recently, so them becoming nigh indistinguishable when fully mature isn't too surprising.
Pyre Rakna Kadaki's juvenile variant, the Pyrantula, is classified separately within the Sunbreak phylogenetic tree from Rakna Kadahki and the Raknoids (Pyre Rakna Kadaki is not listed, but it's the same animal). It is the only subspecies featured in the phylogenetic tree, and as a separate genus from Rakna Kadaki no less, which would mean that it's a very similar looking but genetically entirely distinct relative.
Assumedly, the way the Guild would have determined this in-universe is by seeing if the two Kadakis are interfertile: subspecies can produce fertile offspring with eachother (males may be sterile however), while most related species and genera cannot (canids are a notable exception).
LOVE this series. Glad to see Gaijin again. It’s been a long time since I’ve visited. You were the OG guy I watched for Monster Hunter back when I started with the very first game. Cheers to more videos buddy!
Deviants and Risen were definitely some of my favorite to fight
They do the 2 best things, have unique looking gear to farm and have a lot of new moves.
for how diverse the subspecies category can be, all you have to do is look at broccoli and kale. They are both derived from the same plant. Actually, just look up Brassica Oleraceae and all it's subspecies. It's like the dog of plants, it's crazy.
Deviants and Risen are my favorites in terms of end game content, but in terms of the actual monsters and the lore behind them then it's probably Rare species (since there hasn't been a single one I've disliked out of that group so far), and most if not all of their fights have been great too.
I've definitely been enjoying these insights into the Japanese source materials! Keep up the excellent work!
It's just great to hear your voice, and hear someone talk about Monster Hunter, again ❤
Another example of subspecies misclassification is red khezu, red khezu is actually the original species, the white khezu is a albino khezu
That’s never been actually confirmed, it’s just a theory
The problem is the source it came from is a special anniversary report in which the MH staffs interview biologists and other scientist to try and explain the biology of some of the monsters and this the info given are sketchy at best
@@floofmeister52well in the case of malzeno it's more true given primordial is how the dragon is supposed to look like before he became the host of those qurios
But that's on the variant side of things
Another example is; this is head canon.
I'm looking forward to what adjective of "angry" they are going to use for a future variant in Wilds.
Seething Bazel still makes me slightly chuckle to take seriously.
just straight up "Angry" would be hilarious
like
Angry Rey Dau
Malding Uth Duna go
Hangry is another possibility
No disrespect to the very busy localizers at capcom, but hearing what gaijinhunter translates the japanese names to made me come up with my own names for the special variants in rise. Apex > Raid Leader, Afflicted > Enthralled (kind of fits the story where they assumed initially that the affliction came from Malzeno, the "vampire" dragon). Risen is a pretty good term, but if I had to change it I would call them Unshackled Elder Dragons. The Qurio can't control them anymore.
Man I'm so happy your back gaijlitsome times I just put your weapon tutorial videos on the back ground while I play games all because I love how you explain everything and ofcourse not to sound wierd but you do have a soothing voice too so it relaxes me ❤ much love gaijin keep up the amazing work
really interesting stuff. love these types of videos
Pokemon has the idea of subspecies so its not really like shiny. Its more like regional Pokemon so like Alolan Raichu vs Raichu
I miss the Frenzied/Apex virus, yeah the Apex had...issues, but for me it was mainly the weapon deflecting. I do like how Afflicted kinda brought that back, though. I do miss how the monster would just pass out for a few seconds and here the spoopy music before becoming Frenzied, though. lol
This feels like a relevant question.
In the context of Monster Hunter, how is an entire species referred to in Japan, with Entire Species referring to the the Base Species and all subspecies/variants/rare species that belong to that Entire Species.
This is at least a problem in English as referring to the Base Species as the Base Species is easy but referring to the species as whole is always a little odd.
Personally at least for the English names I think giving Base Species a subspecies adjective would be easy and additionally make the setting/world of Monster Hunter feel more developed(as in enhancing how developed it feels, I am not suggesting it isn't developed).
Sorry if this has was bothersome, this will be the last time I post this question in case it is.
It is actually the same name. Like you can say that "All Rathalos (the species) will eat this and that" and that technically refers to Rathalos and Azure Rathalos, etc. I agree, to keep it more precise, having a term to denote when talking about the species or the "base species" might be nice, but I also haven't really seen any need/places that an entire monsters species (including the subspecies and variants) are being talked about collectively. ^^
So glad you are uploading again! It woukd be cool if you looked into trying frontier, its very fun and I would happily help you out! :D
The Apex Monsters of Rise are not just a little similar to the Deviants. They are all as similar as capcom could make them without putting in alot of extra work in. And they dont just look similar. they also get similar upgrades. I dont think its a coincidence that only Monsters with Deviant versions are the ones that also got an Apex version. And it all makes sense when you think about how both Deviants and Apex Monsters are created when they overcome death.
My favorite system was definitely the one in GU. Hyper monsters were fun to fight, and I loved the deviants (even though unlocking those missions were painful)
In short, “cool ass monsters” is what they’re called.
Thanks for the upload. Needed this today.
It's feels like attending a class in Monster Hunter's world
I did not know that tempered monster had a metallic sheen effect on them. I've never noticed. Learned something new!
16:00 Great video as always.
Qurio being underground leeches but still rely on flight makes me wonder in which kind of environment it's useful to evolve flight underground.
Heard some people theorize about hollow earth which would be cool to visit some day.
Deviants are my favorite, the lore behind their changes is cool
on the topic of deviants if i remember correctly the stated reason for deviants is not strictly environmental, it's the fact that they have had hunters come after them and started adapting to specifically hunt hunters. this coupled with a way to identify these specific ones resulted in the guild giving them special names to differentiate them from standard ones. this is also why it required a permit to hunt them, because the fear was not for the safety of the hunters but because they were afraid of how the dragons will mutate further if they are fed even more hunters considering what has already apparently happened.
Personally, I would still classify the risen monsters as power up monsters and not a new species. Also the rise apex monsters as baby/pre-evolution deviants because of their movesets and similar appearances.
Also primordial melzeno and red khezu are technically the original monster and malzeno and khezu would be the subspecies/variants.
I love how Elder Dragons are both a class for creatures that have sever affects on the eco-system to the point of being natural disasters, but also the class for whatever doesn't fit in the other categories.
Really glad to see you posting again man! Your videos are always so comforting.
P.S after visiting Japan I now know what gaijin hunter means lol, I kept seeing it while in tokyo and thought you were some sort of local celebrity
Wake up!! Gaijin upload!!!
correction on gore magala for gaijin. it does in fact have eyes. the eyes are normally covered and only really visible in its enrage state (with horns up), but it apparently is fully capable of sight at all times as flashes work on it at all times.
as further evidence, the shagalu magara which is just the adult version of gore constantly has its horns up and the eyes are therefore visible.
You cannot flash Gore Magala, it is completely immune to Flash Bombs.
Gore Magala has not yet developed eyes, they are beneath its scales, and only get revealed once it becomes a Shagaru Magala (which can be flashed).
Since when Gore is susceptible to flash bombs?
i tried that and it didn't even work. i did it like 8 times!
I can not get enough gaijin MH content!
Our god has delivered yet again
Another think most of the Deviants actually would fit into thw variant category better as some are just born either better, stronger because of the environment around them or a random mutation
Been watching you for years and somehow still not sick of hearing Pokke Village theme on almost every video. It's too strong!
ちなみに「傀異化」は「かいいか」というんですか？
oh god i think you're right...
@@gaijinhunter that 傀異克服古龍 probably mixed up all the K sounds in your head for a sec!
I’m playing GU for the first time right now. That song is just so good
2:26 Aren't subspecies exactly that? Entire groups of monsters that live in a region different than their original one and having adapted and evolved to thrive there? I don't agree with calling them essentially shiny pokemon.
In Monster Hunter, the majority of Subspecies genuinely are subspecies.
The only one that could be considered a "shiny" is Baleful Gigginox, since similar to how shinies are just Pokemon born with a different colouration, the Baleful Gigginox's yellow-and-purple colouration is owed to a mutation.
Would have loved Arch-Tempered versions of bon elder dragons. That would have been nice
From what I can tell, rare species (in Rise at least) tend to have a threat level at least 3 stars higher than the base
I think something the 二つ名持(futatsunamochi) explanation could have had some clarification. It does just literally mean second name but it can also refer to something like a title or epithet earned for a great accomplishment, especially in battle
Are you gonna make any videos on sunbreak in the wait for wilds?
For the most part, I've always considered sub species for monsters that were affected by a new environment compared to the base version.
Whereas rare species is a rare birth defect for the monsters, like being born albino but with overwhelming power perhaps latent within, or they're super strong from the start
Thanks for making this, but seem theres some minor errors on the texts such us "Shogun Hermitaur" and 6 Apexes on MHGenerations
apex / rampage, arch/tempered, deviant, infected (magala) and infected (qurio) are all very similar creatures that have been tempered by surviving really stupid battles. tempered and deviant stand so do specifically because of hunters, while the other three are due to (specifically) elder dragons driving the creature insane... and all three of the latter create a special subtyping of dragons that adapted to the berserker stuff they were infected by causing them to physically mutate.
honestly i am hopeful capcom will put more emphasis on these battle mutants as it creates an easy variation and buff to fights. also would have them create a better distinction between frenzy and qurio because as is there isn't much of any.
as to rampage the only actual difference from the other two is that the dragons are brainwashed to go to the nesting location (the old city) before each other to the death and are largely mindless in that pursuit... so basically all three are the same but rampage aims the destruction first.
Sensei is back
Deviants was my favorite.
The way I see it back then, they were really species, but now most are just gameplay mechanics. Would you count those or just the sub, rare and variant?
Just startd playing through 4U a few days ago
Yey! Thank you for this gaijin hunter!!
can you do a second part with the spin offs
I'm at 5:50, but I got a question. When you say the rare species are almost as powerful as elder dragons, what are we comparing its power on? Do we scale a monster's general power off of their survivability amongst other monsters, or do we scale a monster's power off of their natural destructiveness in a living ecosystem or environment?
as to elder dragons... the guild doesn't try to prevent people from hunting them so permitting creatures that are "nearly as strong" does not make sense. while the guild advises that you run if you encounter an elder, they don't in any way try to control the issue. only individual members of the guild do.
further the guild collects information on all dragons but consistently purges information on elder dragons to the point they become figures of myth and legend only.
why? who knows. could be them trying to prevent people from going after them to protect the people.
or it could be because they worship them. because the qualifications to be an elder dragon is two simple ones. first it must defy the existing categorization in some way. second is it must alter the environment it lives in. for example the kirin causing frequent lightning storms in its territory. or kushala daora causing windstorms and tornadoes.
Nice!!!🎉🎉
I like this deviants and rare species
I kinda figured Deviants were just...monster vets...like, they've been through crap and ended up becoming more powerful and stuff. I dunno. lol
I read the date as 5 years and was like how the fuck did bro know about risen monsters
Hey I just realised that there's no more snowman status ailments! Since like 3 generations ago?
Snowman has only been missing from 5th gen since it’s been introduced as far as I know.
I liked the Deviants
i'm still pissed that there's no RISEN VELKHANA and RISEN AMATSU
Awesome
This probably will be answered in next bestiary video, but I always wondered; "Does Ruby Basarios matured into Black Gravios?"
Now, that I learn that Black Gravios is technically just a regular Gravios, what happened to all Ruby Basarios?
Why there are no Ruby Gravios?
Or maybe there are Ruby Gravios, we just don't hunt them
Also, technically Primordial Malzeno is the base/original species right? Which make Malzeno the variant or afflicted, but not risen? while also not dead by Qurios? Yea, I'm confused.
Can you maybe explain why you use this weird render for a fan made Deviljho variant instead of the original one?
Risen are not brand new species. They're listed as variants.
Do Lynians give birth or lay eggs?
*stares at Wyverians
Dont tell me, they do it like marsupials
Yay!
With Plum Daimyo Hermitaur being a Daimyo that didn't get a proper diet, why then does it change it's shell? Is there an actual reason, or is it just gameplay related to differ it from the base species
There doesn't appear to be much of a reason so I assume it's more for gameplay and reward variation.
Yeah, I thought that might be the case. Unfortunate that they don't have a legitimate reason for it as that would have been kinda cool lol
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Ayy
Temperef is wrong. They are not old battle worn.. they were minsters who ate too much life crystals getting boosted by them. Thats why they look more cristaline
Oh snap early gang
Easy. Variants are good and subspecies are bad (with some exceptions).
This is actually adaption not evolution.
For surprising facts explaining this watch "The Bible Reveals the TRUTH About Dinosaurs".
Sooo about black diablos....i was hunting for horny female diablos all the time lol
First let’s goooo
I'm early!!!!
I hate this video (kidding) because it reminds me that Molten Tigrex exists.
one of my favorite monsters of all time ^^