Here is the full 5 Hour video. This was edited to reduce vulgar language used by Tommy and provide a shorter clip. th-cam.com/users/liveikpx7VuvC7E?si=Mjo5sO3oByWxTkiV
L for BOTH. You guys are intelligent and powerful men with the potential to amalgamate for the addition to your audience's lives. Yet you both subtract, by choosing to argue semantics. Reinforcing bad behavior in BOTH of your audiences. Shameful, poor emotional control on both of you.
@@johnconcentrius uh, No. One was truly trying to destroy and undermine the other. And trying to preach Manhood on top of it while undermining another Man. The irony was unreal. It was not even a good conversation. One sided and unfair childish dialogue on one side, not two.
Hilarious! I was JUST thinking the same 4 minutes in. I don't even this guy, but I guess im wrong by his logic. All men know who The Saint is.... He has the temperament of a ghetto women.
He actin like a crazy girlfriend. “Why’d you talk to him?” “Why did you say it like that” “why didn’t you say this?” “I didn’t like your tone of voice when you said this” “why didn’t you speak before he left?” ….lol wth.
Saint, you’re an intelligent man, but this was a waste of time. Another man should not be trying to mentor a man’s behavior unless asked or put into a mentor position. Tommy is several years your elder, maybe even 2 decades older. The fact that you “feel” it necessary to be emboldened to address his behavior in any scenario is feminine behavior. Men don’t do this. I’m disappointed. Whether you liked what he did or not is no reason to make an entire video breaking down any situation you could pull up footage for. He handled whatever situation how he saw fit. I’ve watched Tommy since 2014. He has zero issue with speaking up when the situation calls for it. It’s not any other man’s place to tell him or any other man how to do so unless he is your son or mentee. Honestly, every channel around now is the archetype of what he originated since 2011. He was first. Show respect for an OG. Ask why youngin’. After 10mins I was done.
This feels weird to me, the host obviously doesn’t like his guest that must have been invited on this platform. So why have him answer for his actions if you actually have an agenda which seems to disrespect and humiliate him. It’s not rage quitting if you can’t get respect nor common ground, and I would have left as well. Also the host is supposed to be checking Tommy as well as referring to a woman as a “ broad “ ! Make it make sense
Facts and he lost to Tommy by making this backbiting tommy thing up for clout A show to talk micro into a separate topic is criminal 😕 Likes is a form of gassing and debatable if he should even be debating Lost to Tommy bro wow
when I watched the live show I was surprised Tommy didn't air Brandon out. He just sat over there quiet. Didn't seem right for him to become chatty after he left... He was willing to teach the women a lesson about Brandon but not tell him himself. That's the backbiting.
I think Tommy has a point in that it’s reasonable to comment on the situation after and that it’s not necessarily backbiting (everything happened quickly, and whatever he says will be broadcasted, homie knows where he is so he’s not throwing stones and hiding his hands necessarily). However, all the weird lil faces he was making while homie was up to his antics was already off and kinda feminine. If there was something bothering him he should have said it. However, he didn’t until after the guy left his presence. Makes it look strange. Not being to own up to at least that and instead getting emotional makes it even stranger.
U don't always have to entertain a fool. That's silly. So whenever any man anywhere does something stupid you must confront them then and there? That's silly. Then if you dont confront him then and there, you have no right to speak about him?
@@thepanafricanman I'd agree, but making all the faces while he's there but saying nothing until he leaves is weird. Granted, if he took your position it's less faulty; however, he was acting as if he wasn't the first to say something (when he was). Then he's saying, "Well, why would I say something, he bigged me up!" which kinda proves the point. Whether you agree with Marquett's disposition or not (I would probably move more peaceably in this space), most would respect that he'll call out anyone, even someone who's giving him props if he doesn't respect their character.
I've been critical of Tommy on many things. Their rehash session after the guest left is very common in group dynamics after something awkward has occurred. That in and of itself was not overly highschool like or gossipy. Had the guest left in a normal manner after his segment then they all started criticizing him, a different story altogether. Tommy was correct in not interrupting and had every right to reflect on what occurred after the fact.
@@dexterf.i.joseph2502I never heard him say anything about trying to wreck Tommy’s reputation, so where are you getting that from? All he did was state his opinion and Tommy got upset from the jump. I feel like his responses to Saint made him look worse than the actual situation, even though I do agree he shouldn’t have spoke on dude after he left.
Tommy proved himself to be a follower, not a leader. Everything he does is based on someone else. Listen to him "Well Myron didn't say anything" , "The girl started talking about him first" He does not initiate. Real leaders don't talk and act this way.
When the other man is an honored guest as well as he is on ANOTHER man's show, no, you're wrong. The women on the show are NEVER put on equal footing as the featured guests.
@V4ultr3mTV so there is no hierarchy when dealing with women who you didn't invite? Yet there is hierarchy if a man is an invited guest? That sounds like you picking and choosing who you want to check. It's alright most men not built like that to check another man. It is what it is and that shows a lot about you bruh. Hierarchy is none gender if you respect someone because it's not your show do that across the board and if you don't care do that across the board, very simple don't make this complicated by moving the goal post again.
@@999KBC I'll give you a much needed lesson on hierarchies, since you don't know what they even are, or how they work. I grew up with a masculine father in my house, so its incumbent on me to teach other men the way when possible in a world so emotional. If you haven't noticed by now, fresh and fit is a MEN'S podcast, and there IS a hierarchy that the women are below on that podcast rather you want to believe it or not. The MEN invited on the show aren't EQUIVALENT to the host, but they are ABOVE the women on the podcast. This is called a "CHAIN OF COMMAND". The HOST can check both the guests, AND the females on the show. The How would you react if one of your Co workers tried to tell you how to work and they aren't getting paid more than you? Lol like let's be serious here! When Brandon went against the Heiarchy, he was KICKED off for his lack of respect. I don't make the rules, I only report them. Cry about it, I don't care 🤷
Tommy's demeanor is so reactive. If something bothers him he either has to make faces or make some sort of comment. When he was on F&F he wanted to react to the diaper dude so bad, but didn't do so UNTIL HE LEFT. That's the whole point of the argument. I don't see why this is so contentious.
Because it plucked a nerve. Tommy got caught sneakily criticizing like females do to one another, and Saint called him out on it. He should've said yeah man you got me, but no, he defended his bullshet like females do when they get caught. We all have made that mistake at one time, and if you had a thorough father he checked you on that type of behavior. If not checked early, you go on to do Slick shet like this as an adult.
@@Runndeep Facts!!! This starts when kids are in their early teens...these folks needs a truthful dose of de-escalation just like you said if this goes unchecked it turns into "Who can check me boo!?!"
That's what people who know alot do. They are used to their own platforms where they are not interrupt and they do most of the talking. That's why it's always good to do debates on third parties where the mic gets muted
Remember social media, content creators are entertainers, vs the real world. Bunch of content creators are like woman, they all talk a lot. Reality is outside not online.
Been watching Tommy for years, this is the first time I felt without a doubt that he lost a debate, I'm very impressed with S&S. His issue was simple, don't wait til a man leaves to talk behind his back and he backed everything up, he even broke Tommy down to the tee when explaining how the comments were like the cherry on top to him deep-down knowing he didn't get the best of S&S. *And yes I've watched the unedited one too*
I say that I've been listening to Tommy for years and sided w/him in every debate so if I "idolized" anyone, u would think I would've automatically sided w/Tommy on this debate. And one doesn't "idolize" a person bcuz they agree with them and you don't agree. But the difference is that Tommy was sitting right next to the gentleman and didn't say any of his issues about him until after the guy left, S&S told Tommy to his face (via video chat) his issues with him.
I just discovered this channel about a month ago. Referred by a friend. Years ago I was a follower of Tommy, around 2014. I started seeing allot of feminine qualities and the law calling when confronted and quickly unsubscribed.
Same here, I started watching Tommy in 2014, I happened to stumble on this channel, this video made me view Tommy differently, he made himself look really bad. He realized he met someone he couldn't out-debate and now (I still follow him) he doesn't even mention S&S 😂
I'm a Tommy fan... but my man humbled Tommy. Anytime a man confronts you on backbiting and you explain your way out of it...this is pride at its finest.
He starts reading the chat. He thinks he's slick. He uses the comments to either speak for him. (So he can say he didn't say it) Or to say he's being victimized and they're treating him bad. Dude ain't shiiiiet!💯
@@redmatrixxfemale talking don’t count. Soon as dude left Tommy starting yapping. Could’ve off bro advice but instead starts talking negative about a younger dude who just needs to learn and mature more.
@@redmatrixx I mentioned nothing about an argument. And you seem like a Tommy fan so of course you would say all of these things. And name calling is what a woman would do. Or what you like to say a 304
@@detroittrickster3327 th-cam.com/users/liveikpx7VuvC7E?si=SjSUFj4KpJ_BO9fb Best part is @4:09:35 after Tommy left and some guy was making excuses for his behavior.
Saint had him dead to rights, but he would not admit he was back biting. Tommy was angry, which is being "emotional" so much so that there was no reasoning with him.
Nah, Tommy was 🐱 for that.. waiting til the man gone to kick his back in( in front of the baddies no less) is a sucker move. I’m not debating with anybody today.
The Saint came with facts and Tommy on bullshit... Tommy clearly talked his shit after Brandon was kicked out. Tommy shouldn't have said anything unless it was to Brandon face. The Saint is 100% right.
Tommy likes to use the majority rule to copout of accountability that justifies his actions . Fresh and fit didnt do this, the girls didnt do that, we all were doing it. You can tell he's a person who takes his anger out on the people he feels are weaker than him.
I was very surprised to see how rattled Tommy was by a couple of comments in the chat. Marquett was just trying to tell him that it's not proper to talk behind a mans back, which it isn't. I don't think anyone can argue that. He tried to end things peacefully with Tommy and give him his flowers but he didn't want to take that L🤣🤣very entertaining piece. Hope we can see a proper debate one day. PTTS.
@@oddusee He doesn't know Tommy personally like that, so how could he tell him in person? Tommy also doesn't allow private messages to be sent to him on his social media. Not making excuses, but if the opportunity presented itself i'm sure Marquett would have. He isn't the type of man to tell you something that he wouldn't say to your face
@@michaels8607 He's not telling him how to TALK he's advising him on how to ACT, learn the difference💯 The Saints can run intellectual circles around you Tommy fanboys, your efforts will always fail when you try to argue in bad faith. PTTS.
Either his pride was hurt being called out on a public platform, or he’s just a butt hurt individual who lacks accountability and instead proceeds to pout like a toddler begging for affirmation or an acknowledgement.
Well, normally you would not waste your energy to correct something that you think is improper in nature. The saint is micromanaging Tommy's way of communication to a degree. If anything, there were two other people who should have been checked before Tommy in this situation.
@@thatonegachakid8849He gets paid to speak on what he thinks. Also, disagreeing with something someone does, doesn’t mean you’re micromanaging them. If there was nothing wrong with what he did, he shouldn’t have gotten out of character like he did. Lastly, comparing an older woman with kids, to a woman selling her body on onlyfans is an L take lol
Bro got flamed then he ran 🤣 Saint called him out on his shady tactics and he didn't like it. Yup, that's a weak move to sit in silence when he had a problem with the other guy and then started talking all loud once dude left. He lost credibility.
When he kept referring to Tommy and himself as the stars of the show, Tommy could've spoken to him directly. Since, he did say when he was doing that he didn't like it. He could've told him to his face, "I don't know you. Stop connecting us." It didn't even have to be confrontational really.
If he never heard of you, why would he care that somebody tell him about somebody he never heard of but he put the urge in his self to have a conversation with you that don’t make no logical sense
Why is he going at him like an annoying girlfriend. “What’d you say it like that??” “How come you couldn’t just say nothing” “why didn’t you say this” lol. Why’s a grown ass man so worried about these things when it comes to another grown ass man that he doesn’t even like
I understand Tommy on the Vlad thing, I would also do the same. Imagine you go for interview alone to someone's house and boom there is someone waiting for you. Even if you ain't scared of the person but consider they might be with friends and ready to go
Tommy don’t realize the same thing he saying he doesn’t do that to the women , he don’t know if the women are plants ect ..he waits to the man left then talks about him when he had ample time to tell him calm tf down and tell him he wrong for this and that not when he leaves but when the women talk not to him but in general he grinds them up smh .
As someone that doesnt like what Tommy stands for, but has seen him on in arguements wit folks on other panels, i can acknowledge that hes right when he says if you have his name in yr title, he does show up. Hes like Bloody Mary 😂
Actually the first thing Tommy after the generic “hello, how are you?” Was “I never heard of you.” That is blatant disrespect and intentional, that’s who started the interview in an emotional manner.
Tommy could’ve simply said he didn’t care to correct a stranger. You don’t have to be disrespectful in order to correct somebody, Tommy plain emotional about it.
This comment section says so much about Tommys audience 😂 W for the saint, even after Tommy literally made a fool of himself, Quett still tried to give him his respect/benefit of the doubt ,but Tommys feelings were too hurt to reciprocate 👎🏾
Facts, these dudes follow a man who likes his bootyhole eaten out 😂. I've never seen a man get so destroyed in a debate, even raged quitted, the fact people taking up for this man is crazy 😂
The proof is saint liking the comments about him winning when he clearly lost to Tommy 😭😭😭😭 He's not even my favorite person he made him eat his babble Discourse is Force or choice?!?
That boy weak. Tommy showing he just as weak as the dude he was talking shit about. He extra emotional for nothing. Cutting people off and not controlling himself.
This the first time I've seen tommy loose a debate ,Saint knows the right words to say,and how to set the tone, got tommy looking crazy 🤪 tommy is uncomfortable can't holler his way through this debate, Saint made tommy look bad
The Saint tried to be civil and more than he usually happens to be, and did so very very respectfully, Tommy continued to get emotional. After all these years, he still has not addressed this about himself and made adjustments (this was hard to watch).
@@TheSaintandTheSinner Don't you like showing up to a man's place uninvited with roses and chocolates only to get turned away because you didn't have $50k to donate? You're an Andrew Tate groupie, 🤡🤡.
Dude let a 5’7 dude roast him and then punch him in the face and didn’t do shit but call the cops. Could’ve sworn this the same guy who tried to fight a girl on FNF 🤔
Exactly. When a female hit him he hit back, but when a male hit him he did nothing except call the cops. He's conflict avoidant when it comes to men face to face. Tariq punked him too smh
@@craigandnem4597 I don't follow either. It's clear Tommy has a cult like support system. I have no dog in this fight and it's tripping me out the delusion from these folks lol. Only someone cult minded can lie about something clear as day.
The irony of hypocrisy is clear in this interview. It’s very clear who is trying to unfairly critique, talk over and criticize the other. Dude is truly the OG GOAT.
You're passive agressive style irritates the hell out of me but then you try to play it off like you being mature and non confrontational when obviously that's exactly what you're doing, in my opinion that's lame and corny. Respectfully not the type of content I would tune in to see.
A lot of haters in the comment section hating on the saint and supporting a “man” talking behind another man’s back. Talking about respecting “hierarchy” guess they content with their position in life and don’t want to excel.
@@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641 How so if he literally brought Tommy on who actually talked behind someone’s back. You not making no sense. You just speaking out your ass at this point.
@@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641 😂 you a grade A clown. At least I do something productive with my time unlike your weird ass, go sit on your ass some more little buddy. Hope you have a blessed day and do something more with your life besides stalking people cause that ain’t going to benefit you at all.
6:36 sotomoyer doing the exact same thing women do in an argument, youre talking about a problem, and then he says but remember when and talks about a completely different time/problem to throw you off 😂 he learnt from women for years though I guess
Dont know either of these guys...not sure why TH-cam sent it to me. The guy in the green was irritating. Guy in the blue talked to this guy way too long.
Tommy was one of first person i used to listen too on you tube very entertaining dude...I think the Saint try to ease tension but Tommy was to turnt up
Back in the day real men married widowers with multiple children. Could possibly be the sister of his wife that passed away. Both guys I can describe as simple based off the simple argument simple argument , and my correct pre notion of simplistic argument style.
Tommy ... Come on Bruh...Straight Outta the Gate Though..... If you don't know him..... You should have at least done research prior.... I mean why have connections if you are NOT gonna use them.
Tommy is not made to confront a man. We all know this fact. The guy cracked Tommy and he did nothing. On VLAD Tommy was confronted and had no where to run. Tommy said he was a female trapped in a male’s body. Just a weirdo. 😂😂😂
Salute to Mr. Saint 🥇💥🥊💯 . Am I Watching The Same Over talking Tommy of 10 Years ?? The Male is a Waste of Anyone's Platform Time . He is Trying So Hard To Replace Kevin Samuels..smh😂😂😂
Here is the full 5 Hour video. This was edited to reduce vulgar language used by Tommy and provide a shorter clip. th-cam.com/users/liveikpx7VuvC7E?si=Mjo5sO3oByWxTkiV
You was intentionally being a dick for no reason
L for BOTH. You guys are intelligent and powerful men with the potential to amalgamate for the addition to your audience's lives. Yet you both subtract, by choosing to argue semantics. Reinforcing bad behavior in BOTH of your audiences. Shameful, poor emotional control on both of you.
@@johnconcentrius uh, No. One was truly trying to destroy and undermine the other. And trying to preach Manhood on top of it while undermining another Man. The irony was unreal. It was not even a good conversation. One sided and unfair childish dialogue on one side, not two.
Loved your commentary!
Two feminine men arguing
The Saint is irritating,, I can easily see why he left.. women like the Saint is like arguing with a baby mama..
Hilarious! I was JUST thinking the same 4 minutes in. I don't even this guy, but I guess im wrong by his logic. All men know who The Saint is.... He has the temperament of a ghetto women.
bros deleting comments.
Right!
Of course she deletes comments. Its what women do start drama and don't account. Comment back to us not delete - u puss. @researchaccount999
He actin like a crazy girlfriend. “Why’d you talk to him?” “Why did you say it like that” “why didn’t you say this?” “I didn’t like your tone of voice when you said this” “why didn’t you speak before he left?” ….lol wth.
Black men brought up by their momma and aunty and em just annoy me. Saint is really catty for a supposed grown man.
What was the purpose of this?
Clickbait
I thought I was the only one thinking the same thing
To talk about Tommy behind his back, lmao!
I’m trying to figure that out myself.
He was in his feelings cause the man didn’t know him… dawg in green was real sassy 🤣
I like you Marquet but Tommy Sotomayor is black belt, intellectual for you
Two grown men arguing over crap...lmao...both need to fix up.
Tommy have the scoop. You had to catch it. It’s for content which benefits them eventually.
@Monster-ed4rp I was thinking,ing was this for clout. And if so this is worse then I thought. Anita got time for bs like thix
I literally can’t get my time back after watching this
The good news is your time has no value
@@TheSaintandTheSinner the great news is what you think of me or about me doesn’t either 😉… enjoy
@@thinker8938 😂😂😂
You’re right this was pointless.
@@thinker8938 your time have no value but he need it to views which in turns into revenue..
Saint, you’re an intelligent man, but this was a waste of time. Another man should not be trying to mentor a man’s behavior unless asked or put into a mentor position. Tommy is several years your elder, maybe even 2 decades older. The fact that you “feel” it necessary to be emboldened to address his behavior in any scenario is feminine behavior. Men don’t do this. I’m disappointed. Whether you liked what he did or not is no reason to make an entire video breaking down any situation you could pull up footage for. He handled whatever situation how he saw fit. I’ve watched Tommy since 2014. He has zero issue with speaking up when the situation calls for it. It’s not any other man’s place to tell him or any other man how to do so unless he is your son or mentee. Honestly, every channel around now is the archetype of what he originated since 2011. He was first. Show respect for an OG. Ask why youngin’. After 10mins I was done.
@jeffpsolo wow you lasted 10inutes? Took me 5 and even still the struggle was real bra. Lol
This was an absolute waist of time! Men don't do this!!!!!
*waste
Vegan lions. 😂.
This feels weird to me, the host obviously doesn’t like his guest that must have been invited on this platform. So why have him answer for his actions if you actually have an agenda which seems to disrespect and humiliate him. It’s not rage quitting if you can’t get respect nor common ground, and I would have left as well. Also the host is supposed to be checking Tommy as well as referring to a woman as a “ broad “ !
Make it make sense
TH-cam starting to get annoying lol
rs😂
It's not TH-cam, it's the people on it.
@@kevincraighead6993 ..no, YT plays a role in being JUST as "annoying!"
@MitchMitch77-77 no one can compel you to click on it.
This Saint or sinner guy is a clown. Tommy was a TH-cam legend decades before you showed up. This "50 cent" beef strategy for clout is desperate!
Facts and he lost to Tommy by making this backbiting tommy thing up for clout
A show to talk micro into a separate topic is criminal 😕
Likes is a form of gassing and debatable if he should even be debating
Lost to Tommy bro wow
As antagonic as this was, these 2 would make a perfect podcast
when I watched the live show I was surprised Tommy didn't air Brandon out. He just sat over there quiet. Didn't seem right for him to become chatty after he left...
He was willing to teach the women a lesson about Brandon but not tell him himself. That's the backbiting.
Its been soo many people on the F&F show that have said multiple things, been out of line, and whatever else. The whole thing was corny before.
I think Tommy has a point in that it’s reasonable to comment on the situation after and that it’s not necessarily backbiting (everything happened quickly, and whatever he says will be broadcasted, homie knows where he is so he’s not throwing stones and hiding his hands necessarily).
However, all the weird lil faces he was making while homie was up to his antics was already off and kinda feminine.
If there was something bothering him he should have said it. However, he didn’t until after the guy left his presence. Makes it look strange.
Not being to own up to at least that and instead getting emotional makes it even stranger.
U don't always have to entertain a fool. That's silly. So whenever any man anywhere does something stupid you must confront them then and there? That's silly. Then if you dont confront him then and there, you have no right to speak about him?
@@thepanafricanman I'd agree, but making all the faces while he's there but saying nothing until he leaves is weird.
Granted, if he took your position it's less faulty; however, he was acting as if he wasn't the first to say something (when he was). Then he's saying, "Well, why would I say something, he bigged me up!" which kinda proves the point.
Whether you agree with Marquett's disposition or not (I would probably move more peaceably in this space), most would respect that he'll call out anyone, even someone who's giving him props if he doesn't respect their character.
I've been critical of Tommy on many things. Their rehash session after the guest left is very common in group dynamics after something awkward has occurred. That in and of itself was not overly highschool like or gossipy.
Had the guest left in a normal manner after his segment then they all started criticizing him, a different story altogether.
Tommy was correct in not interrupting and had every right to reflect on what occurred after the fact.
@@dexterf.i.joseph2502I never heard him say anything about trying to wreck Tommy’s reputation, so where are you getting that from? All he did was state his opinion and Tommy got upset from the jump. I feel like his responses to Saint made him look worse than the actual situation, even though I do agree he shouldn’t have spoke on dude after he left.
Think???
Tommy proved himself to be a follower, not a leader.
Everything he does is based on someone else.
Listen to him "Well Myron didn't say anything" , "The girl started talking about him first"
He does not initiate. Real leaders don't talk and act this way.
Cause he's in myron's house...if the fresh and fit wasn't checking him then tommy would be out of pocket to do so.
You thought Tommy was a leader? He just an npc spewing clown world race rage bait
Flag on the Play..........Tommy, if you can correct a chick for being obnoxious ...... You should be able to correct a man for being obnoxious....
When the other man is an honored guest as well as he is on ANOTHER man's show, no, you're wrong. The women on the show are NEVER put on equal footing as the featured guests.
@@V4ultr3mTVexcuses for men not to be men.
@@999KBC If you think disrespecting hierarchies is a thing a "man" does, that says a lot about you, ma'am.
@V4ultr3mTV so there is no hierarchy when dealing with women who you didn't invite? Yet there is hierarchy if a man is an invited guest? That sounds like you picking and choosing who you want to check. It's alright most men not built like that to check another man. It is what it is and that shows a lot about you bruh. Hierarchy is none gender if you respect someone because it's not your show do that across the board and if you don't care do that across the board, very simple don't make this complicated by moving the goal post again.
@@999KBC I'll give you a much needed lesson on hierarchies, since you don't know what they even are, or how they work. I grew up with a masculine father in my house, so its incumbent on me to teach other men the way when possible in a world so emotional.
If you haven't noticed by now, fresh and fit is a MEN'S podcast, and there IS a hierarchy that the women are below on that podcast rather you want to believe it or not. The MEN invited on the show aren't EQUIVALENT to the host, but they are ABOVE the women on the podcast. This is called a "CHAIN OF COMMAND". The HOST can check both the guests, AND the females on the show. The
How would you react if one of your Co workers tried to tell you how to work and they aren't getting paid more than you? Lol like let's be serious here! When Brandon went against the Heiarchy, he was KICKED off for his lack of respect. I don't make the rules, I only report them. Cry about it, I don't care 🤷
The internet has truly given the Square a Home!
@@rodg21519 AMEN!!!
Both are well educated men. All that simple vernacular and fighting over cheap babymommas is what’s square now
It is immoral. People get into deep ish because of someone saying things behind their back and not their face.
So why didn't saint talk about Kevin Samuels in his face when he saw him?
Tommy's demeanor is so reactive. If something bothers him he either has to make faces or make some sort of comment. When he was on F&F he wanted to react to the diaper dude so bad, but didn't do so UNTIL HE LEFT. That's the whole point of the argument. I don't see why this is so contentious.
Because most males are cowards who would do the same. So they're defending it as if it's noble, to justify their own weakness.
Because it plucked a nerve. Tommy got caught sneakily criticizing like females do to one another, and Saint called him out on it. He should've said yeah man you got me, but no, he defended his bullshet like females do when they get caught. We all have made that mistake at one time, and if you had a thorough father he checked you on that type of behavior. If not checked early, you go on to do Slick shet like this as an adult.
@@Runndeep Facts!!! This starts when kids are in their early teens...these folks needs a truthful dose of de-escalation just like you said if this goes unchecked it turns into "Who can check me boo!?!"
@@longsan3 lol, digg it
So you're so OBSERVANT, huh? This Saint MF is the TYPICAL HATER , He hated on Kevin Samuel's to begin , don't make me proceed.
The comedy was watching the reaction when the superchats were being read 🤯😭🤣
Folks just really have a bad habit of interrupting others while talking , truly speaks volumes about a person.
That's what people who know alot do. They are used to their own platforms where they are not interrupt and they do most of the talking. That's why it's always good to do debates on third parties where the mic gets muted
Remember social media, content creators are entertainers, vs the real world. Bunch of content creators are like woman, they all talk a lot.
Reality is outside not online.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
I particularly do not like gossiping especially men speaking about other men.
Tommy identifies as a woman because he's very emotional minded.
Did Tommy say he identified as a woman or is that some feminine 🐝eech emotional slanderous 💩 coming from 🫵🏾my boy💅❓ I see all you just hypocrites.
Been watching Tommy for years, this is the first time I felt without a doubt that he lost a debate, I'm very impressed with S&S. His issue was simple, don't wait til a man leaves to talk behind his back and he backed everything up, he even broke Tommy down to the tee when explaining how the comments were like the cherry on top to him deep-down knowing he didn't get the best of S&S.
*And yes I've watched the unedited one too*
So what's the difference when he's on here backbiting tommy RN
Y'all idolize and let others control your mind
I say that I've been listening to Tommy for years and sided w/him in every debate so if I "idolized" anyone, u would think I would've automatically sided w/Tommy on this debate. And one doesn't "idolize" a person bcuz they agree with them and you don't agree.
But the difference is that Tommy was sitting right next to the gentleman and didn't say any of his issues about him until after the guy left, S&S told Tommy to his face (via video chat) his issues with him.
I just discovered this channel about a month ago. Referred by a friend. Years ago I was a follower of Tommy, around 2014. I started seeing allot of feminine qualities and the law calling when confronted and quickly unsubscribed.
Same here, I started watching Tommy in 2014, I happened to stumble on this channel, this video made me view Tommy differently, he made himself look really bad. He realized he met someone he couldn't out-debate and now (I still follow him) he doesn't even mention S&S 😂
I'm a Tommy fan... but my man humbled Tommy. Anytime a man confronts you on backbiting and you explain your way out of it...this is pride at its finest.
Wow I'm impressed with the Saint. He's the first guy that didn't let Tommy talk him into circles.
He starts reading the chat. He thinks he's slick. He uses the comments to either speak for him. (So he can say he didn't say it) Or to say he's being victimized and they're treating him bad. Dude ain't shiiiiet!💯
@@redmatrixxfemale talking don’t count. Soon as dude left Tommy starting yapping. Could’ve off bro advice but instead starts talking negative about a younger dude who just needs to learn and mature more.
@@SamanthaP48 lmao nobody has yet to win a debate with Tommy and this video didn't help at all . Bro just isn't stupid 🤷🏽♂️
@@SamanthaP48 I’ve watched Tommy for over 10 years now…that being said, you’re a liar..
@@redmatrixx I mentioned nothing about an argument. And you seem like a Tommy fan so of course you would say all of these things. And name calling is what a woman would do. Or what you like to say a 304
The Reciepts Loading was hilarious!!!😂😂😂😂Got Em!!!!
Two titans going head up. Much respect to the saint for having the testicular fortitude to challenge a witty intellectual like Tommy
I do hate how Marquett clipped the video
@@brownskin1oo it was clipped to reduce vulgarity used by Tommy. The full video is on The Saint and The Sinner on TH-cam.
titans? lol ur world is small
@@Dwadedragon link pls
@@detroittrickster3327 th-cam.com/users/liveikpx7VuvC7E?si=SjSUFj4KpJ_BO9fb
Best part is @4:09:35 after Tommy left and some guy was making excuses for his behavior.
This Video is Entertaining 😂😂😂😂 I'm telling you! Enjoying the hell out of it!
Nothing justifies you waiting for the person to leave to display your displeasure with them it’s weak😂
This isn't a conversation for the internet. Men discuss such things in private, so no one will consider being disrespected or embarrassed.
Saint had him dead to rights, but he would not admit he was back biting. Tommy was angry, which is being "emotional" so much so that there was no reasoning with him.
Nah, Tommy was 🐱 for that.. waiting til the man gone to kick his back in( in front of the baddies no less) is a sucker move. I’m not debating with anybody today.
Real talk
Facts G
If you havent watched Tommy you dont understand this, man has always made everything funny🤣😂.
The Saint came with facts and Tommy on bullshit... Tommy clearly talked his shit after Brandon was kicked out. Tommy shouldn't have said anything unless it was to Brandon face. The Saint is 100% right.
Tommy likes to use the majority rule to copout of accountability that justifies his actions . Fresh and fit didnt do this, the girls didnt do that, we all were doing it. You can tell he's a person who takes his anger out on the people he feels are weaker than him.
I was very surprised to see how rattled Tommy was by a couple of comments in the chat. Marquett was just trying to tell him that it's not proper to talk behind a mans back, which it isn't. I don't think anyone can argue that.
He tried to end things peacefully with Tommy and give him his flowers but he didn't want to take that L🤣🤣very entertaining piece. Hope we can see a proper debate one day. PTTS.
@@oddusee He doesn't know Tommy personally like that, so how could he tell him in person? Tommy also doesn't allow private messages to be sent to him on his social media. Not making excuses, but if the opportunity presented itself i'm sure Marquett would have. He isn't the type of man to tell you something that he wouldn't say to your face
@@michaels8607 He's not telling him how to TALK he's advising him on how to ACT, learn the difference💯
The Saints can run intellectual circles around you Tommy fanboys, your efforts will always fail when you try to argue in bad faith. PTTS.
Either his pride was hurt being called out on a public platform, or he’s just a butt hurt individual who lacks accountability and instead proceeds to pout like a toddler begging for affirmation or an acknowledgement.
Well, normally you would not waste your energy to correct something that you think is improper in nature. The saint is micromanaging Tommy's way of communication to a degree. If anything, there were two other people who should have been checked before Tommy in this situation.
@@thatonegachakid8849He gets paid to speak on what he thinks. Also, disagreeing with something someone does, doesn’t mean you’re micromanaging them. If there was nothing wrong with what he did, he shouldn’t have gotten out of character like he did. Lastly, comparing an older woman with kids, to a woman selling her body on onlyfans is an L take lol
I could watch Saint debate any day 😂😂😂
Bro got flamed then he ran 🤣 Saint called him out on his shady tactics and he didn't like it. Yup, that's a weak move to sit in silence when he had a problem with the other guy and then started talking all loud once dude left. He lost credibility.
How THEE FUCK could anyone see Tommy’s behavior and think he was in the right. R.i.p all emotional men
It's not a man's job to check another man in someone else's house. Not when that man isn't doing anything to you personally.
@@ObsidianPilli agree, but is it a man’s job to talk down on another man after he left and is no longer present?
you and saint are the emotional men though.
@@jordonschneider8777 are you ret--arded, didnt you hear tommy say he didnt realize the situation till he saw myron was serious. u guys are slow
@@ObsidianPill you have to acknowledge the second part in order for your stance to hold weight
When he kept referring to Tommy and himself as the stars of the show, Tommy could've spoken to him directly. Since, he did say when he was doing that he didn't like it. He could've told him to his face, "I don't know you. Stop connecting us." It didn't even have to be confrontational really.
If he never heard of you, why would he care that somebody tell him about somebody he never heard of but he put the urge in his self to have a conversation with you that don’t make no logical sense
He was extremely emotional. You handled it very well. Calm and Composed
Calm and composed??….dude came sounding like a sociopath
Yes he was too emotional. Emotions too high = Logic and commonsense too low.
Bad faith with an agenda, just wants the views & clicks. Saint Shmaint psshhh
Whose nerd/dweb on the left lmao and why tf was this in my video suggestions
Your looking for attention
@@jaysonbrown5362 And you gave it to him.
Ikr, he a silly ass lil boy.
This dweb or nerd is smarter than you and your whole family put together
A lot of cuts on this video is their a full live of this?
Full video is up on The Saint and The Sinner on TH-cam
Tommy sotomayor channel on rumble
Why is he going at him like an annoying girlfriend. “What’d you say it like that??” “How come you couldn’t just say nothing” “why didn’t you say this” lol. Why’s a grown ass man so worried about these things when it comes to another grown ass man that he doesn’t even like
Oh wow. Sot look hella emotional and sensitive here. Saint big bro'd him right into rage quiting.
I understand Tommy on the Vlad thing, I would also do the same.
Imagine you go for interview alone to someone's house and boom there is someone waiting for you.
Even if you ain't scared of the person but consider they might be with friends and ready to go
23:15 let’s us know that the Saint just got his ass 😂😂 PTTS
Tommy is a 304... he talks like a female, screaming with emotion.
Tommy don’t realize the same thing he saying he doesn’t do that to the women , he don’t know if the women are plants ect ..he waits to the man left then talks about him when he had ample time to tell him calm tf down and tell him he wrong for this and that not when he leaves but when the women talk not to him but in general he grinds them up smh .
As someone that doesnt like what Tommy stands for, but has seen him on in arguements wit folks on other panels, i can acknowledge that hes right when he says if you have his name in yr title, he does show up. Hes like Bloody Mary 😂
Actually the first thing Tommy after the generic “hello, how are you?” Was “I never heard of you.” That is blatant disrespect and intentional, that’s who started the interview in an emotional manner.
Tommy Sotomayor is like the emotional BW he criticize all the time.
Observe how all these RP guys always criticizing people for being emotional are ignoring that.
Of course he was raised by one, proving his point you muppet! Smh
Tommy could’ve simply said he didn’t care to correct a stranger. You don’t have to be disrespectful in order to correct somebody, Tommy plain emotional about it.
A grown man calling 911 after getting punched is always an automatic L. Feminine behavior.
No its not, especially when you have a lot to lose.
@daytodaygimp8377 You're life and your network isn't set up properly then. It 100% is. It's humiliation.
Okay Suge
@@CertifiedUltraEgo every human should have a spine. Some of the smallest chicks stand up.to their physical abusers
@@xL0stKIlah out of stupidity. Not bravery
This comment section says so much about Tommys audience 😂 W for the saint, even after Tommy literally made a fool of himself, Quett still tried to give him his respect/benefit of the doubt ,but Tommys feelings were too hurt to reciprocate 👎🏾
Facts, these dudes follow a man who likes his bootyhole eaten out 😂. I've never seen a man get so destroyed in a debate, even raged quitted, the fact people taking up for this man is crazy 😂
Nah Tommys right
The proof is saint liking the comments about him winning when he clearly lost to Tommy 😭😭😭😭
He's not even my favorite person he made him eat his babble
Discourse is Force or choice?!?
That boy weak. Tommy showing he just as weak as the dude he was talking shit about. He extra emotional for nothing. Cutting people off and not controlling himself.
Just like how he got emotional towards that girl the first time he came on FnF 😂
This the first time I've seen tommy loose a debate ,Saint knows the right words to say,and how to set the tone, got tommy looking crazy 🤪 tommy is uncomfortable can't holler his way through this debate, Saint made tommy look bad
It’s not Tommy place to talk about him once he leaves . Tommy was afraid of confrontation
The Saint tried to be civil and more than he usually happens to be, and did so very very respectfully, Tommy continued to get emotional. After all these years, he still has not addressed this about himself and made adjustments (this was hard to watch).
Tommy's the man, why gaslighting?
You also like people playing with your butt?
@@TheSaintandTheSinner Don't you like showing up to a man's place uninvited with roses and chocolates only to get turned away because you didn't have $50k to donate? You're an Andrew Tate groupie, 🤡🤡.
@@TheSaintandTheSinner nice clap back from an intellectual point...
This is backbiting 😅😅😅😢😮😮😅
The warrior king of this TH-cam thing 👑
Tommy is not a Saint, but Tommy doesn't benefit from this content, because Tommy is the bigger TH-camr that's where Marquette was Gaslighting.
Dude let a 5’7 dude roast him and then punch him in the face and didn’t do shit but call the cops. Could’ve sworn this the same guy who tried to fight a girl on FNF 🤔
Exactly. When a female hit him he hit back, but when a male hit him he did nothing except call the cops. He's conflict avoidant when it comes to men face to face.
Tariq punked him too smh
ouch, you are right. I remember that. Why Tommy quick to stand up and fight a weaker vessel ?
@@Dwadedragon Tariq punked him. Yet, he didn't run away from Tariq or even cause him to throw a punch. You Tariq groupies are delusional.
@@swishdipper4362 I'm not a fan of Tariq or Tommy 🤷🏾♂️
@@swishdipper4362Speak for yourself, SotoSimp. 😆
I like that Marquette keeps it real. Is a person of integrity. Rare these days
Tommy getting smoked 💯🧠🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What sucks is technically.... he wasn't on the VLAD show...he was in the backroom and his enemy crashed on him.
Oooooh, I see.
Thank God for Marquett he takes NO SHIT from any one of these fake ass alpha males, mad respect for Saint!
Just like Andrew Wilson Tommy is a beast at debating you no match egghead.
He is on here backbiting tommy..
You can't make this up and it's even worse than he was talking about Tommy
When the need to look right is more important than get right
This is the day of the dismantling of deceivers.
Damn! Tommy destroyed this guy.
We must’ve watched different videos.
@@craigandnem4597 I don't follow either. It's clear Tommy has a cult like support system. I have no dog in this fight and it's tripping me out the delusion from these folks lol. Only someone cult minded can lie about something clear as day.
Tommy destroyed himself as usual.
Once Marquett brought up that Vlad video it was over 😂
The irony of hypocrisy is clear in this interview. It’s very clear who is trying to unfairly critique, talk over and criticize the other. Dude is truly the OG GOAT.
I agree, he broke tommy down ,like no one has ever before
@@sidneywilder2731 how does is nut taste
@@sidneywilder2731 HaHaHaHa, NOT!!! He got matured by Tommy, I said the GOAT!
@@SoSuave3You’re emotional
@@jujurush6317 Typical response from an emotional person. The Saint dude usually cooks everyone, but clearly got cooked by the G.O.A.T. Tommy!
You're passive agressive style irritates the hell out of me but then you try to play it off like you being mature and non confrontational when obviously that's exactly what you're doing, in my opinion that's lame and corny. Respectfully not the type of content I would tune in to see.
It’s so crazy I knew it was something so think he smarter than he actually is
We found another emotional yapper right here guys look…..
The liquid in his eyes @14:00 is wild😂😂😂😂😂
😂 good observation-and they support this
Tommy being Tommy: loud, crude, pseudo-intellectual, disrespectful, phony,
Tommy looks like Welvin the Great's big brother Delvin 😂
A lot of haters in the comment section hating on the saint and supporting a “man” talking behind another man’s back. Talking about respecting “hierarchy” guess they content with their position in life and don’t want to excel.
@@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641 Because they lack values and morals. It is what it is I suppose.
@@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641 How so if he literally brought Tommy on who actually talked behind someone’s back. You not making no sense. You just speaking out your ass at this point.
@@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641 😂 you a grade A clown. At least I do something productive with my time unlike your weird ass, go sit on your ass some more little buddy. Hope you have a blessed day and do something more with your life besides stalking people cause that ain’t going to benefit you at all.
This dude is annoying and condescending
Oh please, if it was a black woman he did that to y'all would praise him
6:36 sotomoyer doing the exact same thing women do in an argument, youre talking about a problem, and then he says but remember when and talks about a completely different time/problem to throw you off 😂 he learnt from women for years though I guess
I have the same RL Polo shirt Sotomayor has on. Now I gotta go change my wardrobe. 😂
Even if Tommy did do that is it worth all of this? What are you going to do about it since you’re so passionate about proving he’s a backbiter.
Dont know either of these guys...not sure why TH-cam sent it to me. The guy in the green was irritating. Guy in the blue talked to this guy way too long.
Tommy is an emotional train wreck…and that’s super lame for someone of his credentials,age,and resources IMO!!!🤦🏾♂️
Tommy was one of first person i used to listen too on you tube very entertaining dude...I think the Saint try to ease tension but Tommy was to turnt up
@levianthony3944 as long as you understand what was said
Tommy.... deflection and word salad oh lawd
You handled this discussion very well
Back in the day real men married widowers with multiple children. Could possibly be the sister of his wife that passed away. Both guys I can describe as simple based off the simple argument simple argument , and my correct pre notion of simplistic argument style.
Saint is right
@almightyredskull he literally said "I would have choke him out" or something to that length
Not exactly
Tommy Sotomayor talks in circles like a drunk uncle...
Making excuses for his gossiping like a beeeot*
Tommy ... Come on Bruh...Straight Outta the Gate Though..... If you don't know him..... You should have at least done research prior.... I mean why have connections if you are NOT gonna use them.
That don't make no sense to say you can't say anything...
TAMMY IS VERY HARD TO LOOK AT.
So does fnf get a pass for doing the same thing.. Keep that same energy Saint
Myron checked him you retard
Myron literally told the guy to STFU and leave when he threatened to leave,after he left he followed him as well
lol all you guys in the comments disrespecting either party are fanboys
Tommy is not made to confront a man. We all know this fact.
The guy cracked Tommy and he did nothing. On VLAD Tommy was confronted and had no where to run.
Tommy said he was a female trapped in a male’s body. Just a weirdo. 😂😂😂
He said he has a battle with trying to stomp the B!tch outta him 😂😂😂
Salute to Mr. Saint 🥇💥🥊💯 . Am I Watching The Same Over talking Tommy of 10 Years ?? The Male is a Waste of Anyone's Platform Time . He is Trying So Hard To Replace Kevin Samuels..smh😂😂😂
Not his friend BUT that comment is dumb as fkkk since KSamuels copied EVERYTHING from Tommy.
He was before KS.
Sotomayor was acting very feminine ... couldn't accept any accountability and constantly deflecting
@@mon3ylounge deflection lol… even his fans follow suit
U mean Saint was acting very feminine 😅
@@bayg6703 nope
I watched this live and it was crazy