Cam phaser issue simple fix is to hold the gas pedal down while cranking for 3-5 seconds to build oil pressure then take your foot off the gas pedal then it will start with no rattle. Helps the phasers build oil pressure before it starts.
I’m actually replacing my phasers next week along with timing chains and all that. But with these push starts, do you just hold the gas down for a few seconds and then push start it and let off the pedal? Is that what you’re saying basically
@@tabithabartlett306 Ford quoted me $4300 and I got it done at a shop for $2500. Parts alone were about $1200 including water pump. Gotta get all new oil, oil filter, and coolant too. I blew a hole straight through one of my phasers so be careful cause it can definitely get worse if you don’t get it fixed.
I had the cam phaser issue on my 2015 Expedition with 3.5 ecoboost. I bought the truck with 150k miles on it and solved the problem by flood starting the engine by holding the gas pedal to the floor and cranking the engine until the oil pressure showed normal. I also switched to Penzoil full synthetic oil with the OEM Motocraft filter and changed the oil every 5k miles. After about 20k miles, the rattle is gone and I no longer flood start the engine.
@@cheizaguirre5494 I set my gauges to display the oil pressure on startup and kept the gas pedal to the floor until the gauge read Pressure OK. I did this for several months but it gradually took less time for the pressure to build. It also built pressure quicker in warm weather. The rattle was pretty much gone by my third 5k oil change. It's been below zero for the past week and the oil pressure is there every time without having to flood start and no rattle. If you have a catch can like I do, you also need to be sure to empty it at least every 5k miles when you change the oil. Otherwise it does more harm than good because all that gunk gets recycled in the engine. The can was full when I bought the vehicle and the dealership didn't empty the can when I had them change the oil because it is an aftermarket part and I don't think they knew it needed to be emptied.
@@cheizaguirre5494 It may impact the starter. I just had to have mine replaced at 175k miles. My 2007 Expedition with the Triton V-8 went 220k before the starter went out. I think salt and corrosion are bigger factor.
Great video! Just wanted to clarify that the IWE delete does not leave the truck in 4WD 24/7, it just locks the hubs in 24/7. When the knob is set to 2WD, it also disconnects via the transfer case. Which means that an IWE delete allows the front wheels (as they roll on the ground) to spin the front diff - but the front diff is disconnected from the transmission in this scenario. Meaning if you want to use 4WD, you'd still have to use the knob to engage 4WD, and the the transfer case will activate, connecting the front diff to the transmission. Some people have reported great success from this! Others (specifically with lifts) have reported the pinion bearings failing much sooner than expected on the front diff with IWE deletes.
My F-150 is actually at the dealer right now for them to figure out whatever rattle is happening every once in a while on it. They said they have no idea what’s wrong with it. I’ll be asking for my truck back from these morons and I’ll try to fix it myself. Thanks for this video, it’s probably gonna save me a lot of money and time.
You are welcome. Yeah, mine visited the dealer several times, and they could not re-create the rattle. But every time I took it home, it would show itself. They finally got it to act up and replace the cam phasers and VCT solenoids. About two months after that, I noticed the turbo wastegate rattle, and was able to fix that myself. Frustrating for sure.
Ford has spent more money fixing problems than ever befre. It’s the ecoboost. They told dealers NOT to service them unless there is an engine light on.
Had a 2012 FX2 with the 5.0 Coyote, traded that for a 2019 Raptor with 60k miles, added 60k mile warrantee that was in its last month when they finally said the cam phasers needed swapping. Love the Raptor, miss the Coyote!!
Great video. I have a 2019 5.0 and love it! I’m 61, so it may be my last truck. A friend of mine has a 2020 raptor and experienced all the rattles you did.
Thank you so much. Yeah it seems to be across the board common rattles among this engine. I’ve owned the 5.0 in my 2016 model and never had any issues. I obviously love my Raptor and the power of the turbos too. Just gotta work these rattles out and it’s ok. 👍🏼
I replaced 2 sets of IWE hubs before a realized what to do. What i did was remove the vaccum line from the IWE completely and plugged the little male ends on the IWE. Has been fine for the lasr 15k miles
I have a 2015 with the 5.0 coyote and wouldn’t have anything else. I hope it’s my last truck. I’ve heard that using a good quality oil is critical for the variable cam solenoid, so I been using Amsoil since I bought it new!
There’s a 4th rattled I’ve found on the 11-14 f150s any motor and the 15-present f150s and expedition there’s a heat shield rattle it’s from the driver side crossover pipe put a couple hose clamps on it and you’re golden
Brother I totally agree. I had a buddy asking me if I would recommend the Ecoboost for him as he is looking to buy. I said absolutely not if it’s your daily driver and it’s out of warranty used.
Mine never rattled until about 65000, I like it, they are good if you change your oil every 4k miles. Maybe if they didn’t become so expensive there’d be worth it, but if ima pay 80k I’m gonna get a v8, forgot to say. Only thing that’s rattling is the skid plate. Only thing changed since bought was the tires brakes and oil. And has perfect mapping at the moment.
the 4x4 sound is because that vacuum pulls it out of 4 wheel drive. if you lose vacuum it goes into 4 wheel drive. as they wear out they leak a little and slightly engage and the teeth on the gears is what you hear making noise.
I had the startup rattle and diesel noise on the phasers/timing chains at about 20k miles on my 19 f150 3.5L eboost. Ford fixed it on warranty and its been mint since then. At about 45k the thermostat housing cracked, they covered that also. Only issue left is the wastegate rattle for about a minute on a cold start. The springs is my next mod haha. Great video!
Nice truck. Just a heads up, the 4x4 switch randomly goes bad. This past weekend mine gave me a locker warning and when I slowed down under 20mph to take a turn the locker came on. Easy fix is you need to apply pressure to the switch. I folded a piece of cardboard and wedged it between the body of the switch and the trim and it fixes it until you can replace it. 2016 lariat special edition FX4. 3.5
I was looking at Raptor with 175k miles 😅 I already did cam phasers on my ford 5.3l 3 valve engine I do know how to fix it but justifying $30k to wife than having to buy $1500 dollars for parts I don’t know if I’m ready 🤣🤣 Thanks great video
Thanks bro. Man I tell ya, it is a hard pill to swallow. Even doing it yourself it’s still expensive. Especially after buying at these car prices these days 👊🏼
Ty ty ty Lowes didn't have in stock so had them shipped. Going to try to install them this weekend. There is another short where someone made a fix to the wastegate but didn't show how. Commenter's said he tightened up on the adjustment nut (I believe). I'm coming from an 09 escalade that had the notorious (but unknown to me until it happened) lifter fail at 153000 miles. I could go on and on about it and add how it could be deleted but ultimately it came down to cost and reliability. Nothing that I've researched gas indicated that theses noises lead to failure. They are just that, noises that can be delt with. With that said, I'm loving my used 2018 family truckster, the Lincoln Navigator with the Raptor engine.
That’s great that you got the springs ordered. That really should fix the noise. Glad to see you came over from the GMC / Cadillac side to the Fords. Let me know how it goes. Glad I could help.
The older 3.5L EcoBoosts can get the phaser rattle at around 150k miles. Just diagnosed a family member's 2015 Expedition. Debating whether to fix, or sell (with quote from our mechanic) and get a smaller vehicle.
That’s so frustrating I know. I hate people have to go through these manufacturer quality nightmares and especially to have to fit the bill when all said and done. Thanks for the info 🤙🏼
@@LivinWith3M I know, it's definitely a bummer. Remember when engine life expectancy was 200k+ miles just by changing the oil regularly? Pepperidge Farm remembers. lol Hoping some Lucas oil stabilizer will help with the rattle until we make a decision. It's not something I would add to such a new engine under any other circumstances, but I'm hoping a tacky additive will help keep some lubrication inside the offending phaser when the engine's cold. Rattle-y phasers have been known to seize and shatter into the engine if ignored. O.O
Hell of a video, I’m going through all of this right now and it’s ridicules, I haven’t even had the truck that long 3 yrs, the car converter is definitely rattling, it’s at the dealer right now they’re getting new fazers and my valve cover gasket are leaking once again I’m about ready to get rid of the truck, I love it when it’s running but the last 4 months it’s cost me 5k
Great video with explanation. The other rattle is the sunroof rattle. It drove me nuts. I thought it was the dash. It wasn’t till I saw another video that I realized the seals on the sunroof get dry and rattle. Ford uses GPL 205 grease by Ktytox. It’s expensive and tedious but it works. I’ve seen videos of silicone line spray also working.
Also on cam phasers if you get the rattle, when you start the truck hold the break and gas down and try to crank it. Let it turn over a couple of times and let off the gas and the truck will start. It builds oil pressure up so when you let the gas go it cracks up and most the time won’t rattle
I have a 2015 Expedition and the 3.5 has been good to me with plenty power. I have done lots of towing with this truck and it impresses me for a gas engine .Only downfall is it is a noisy engine. I put an aftermarket high pressure fuel pump and holy crap i thought the motor was going to blow up without the foam sound supressor over it, it is loud.
Thank you. Awesome, my Son went to college at Montreat a few years ago. Small world. Hope y’all ok up that way? I know it’s been really bad recovering.
I’ve unplugged my electrical for now but that is my next mod for sure. I’m all about doing replacement parts videos, But these IWEs fail so often it’s not worth the hassle I feel.
@ yup! I replaced stuff and it persisted. So I just capped the lines. Its been thousands of miles and I haven’t noticed any difference and have not had any more problems.
Great video and Hi all, I have a 2013 Platinum with 148000 miles and it's starting to do the start up rattle, but I have another question, I have a check engine light from the shity cats, has any more gutted them out and then put a 02 sensor extension
I like how he says you need a particular spring and that he would put a link for that spring in the description but when u click on it the link is for a whole assortment of springs lol
The main reason for the link to the assorted pack is that I’ve had several people say that a particular size spring, was either either too long or too short for their trucks application. So this assortment works perfect.
Are you running a catch can? Everyone in the groups will say you don’t need one but the way I see it, it won’t hurt to run one. In just over 2 years of running one I filled up a gold peak 20oz bottle up and just started on a small Gatorade bottle
You sound a lot like me. Most everyone else will not bother with it, but you see the proof right there that would go right back through your engine via the intake. I totally agree with you that you have done the right thing
Decent video, some of what you said about the iwe's is false. I got 140k pushing 150k and my truck has been worked hard it's whole life, Outside of the cam phasers no issues. Btw zero converter issues and I'm running The delete kit on my IWE's. Just did a 800 mile trip a couple weeks ago. I would take an EcoBoost with 200,000 mi over a coyote with 50,000.
I got the exact springs you posted to fix the waste gate rattle, but mine seems too long to hook tightly to the oil return tube on the bottom of the turbo! Did you have to modify your spring at all to make it snug? Thanks for the info, btw! That rattle was driving me NUTS!
If you have to, take the spring back off and use two pairs of needle nose, pliers, to make another bend and shorten the spring end. You’re welcome bro. 👍🏼
That’s a possibility, but I’ve had mine on for a year now with no tension loss. Worth it to me to change out every so often if they stretched, but so far so good 🤙🏼
My 2018 3.5 had all those issues. Under warranty they had to replace the wore out hubs from the grinding. 84000 miles, out of warranty cam phaser issue. Do you know about how much that would be to get fixed ?Thanks, Jacksonville Florida.
Man I hear you. I did hear of cam phaser dealer prices going from $2500 to $4000. Not sure why the big price difference from dealer to dealer. But it’s not cheap. Good luck man.
had my PCM reprogrammed (under customer satisfaction program 21b10) on my18 raptor due to phasers at 72k and got an extended warranty of 1yr or 12k miles in case they needed replaced later, at 85k phasers started acting up and I was out of warranty. Now I need to come out of pocket for the repairs.
If your trucks past the 60k mile or whatever warranty. Your better off just replacing the cam phasers when needed. The extended warranties cost twice as much as the repair does lol
How I did it was just grab a spring you think looks close to that length. Then use your hands and stretch to put it on. You should not need tools like pliers to fit these on. You want it to fit snug but not super tight. If the spring is too tight then you will notice your boost gauge won’t boost like normal. Then go to a looser fitting spring. 👍🏼
Great video man, I will try the turbo spring hack. How much did they charge you to change the cam phasers. Just came back from the dealer, they were trying to charge me $6,500 for mine. I thought to search for second opinion before I commit.
Thanks bro, man that’s a crazy high price. Mine was upper $2k to around $3k after tax and everything the dealer put on me. Try a different dealer for sure and tell them you want the updated cam phasers and VCT solenoids used. You don’t want the old design. Ttyl.
Mine has a ticking noise at low throttle but when the turbos spool it goes away. Then comes back when I leave a stop sign or red light until the turbo spools again. Is my problem the first one? Loose waste gate?
It’s really hard to say, but I would start with the cheapest remedy first which would be the springs on the wastegates. That’s less than $15 for that fix. If it doesn’t fix it, then I would think it would be the cam phasers vct solenoids.
We have a 2018 F150 with the 3.5 eco-boost. It currently has 52,000 km (about 32,000 miles). It started rattling the other day and I'm told that it needs cam phasers and a timing chain. $4000 repair less than six month after the warranty expired. If you're thinking of buying Ford, don't.
Ryan that totally sucks and I sure don’t blame you for feeling that way. Ford really needs to step up and do better. Their slogan used to be quality job one, that doesn’t seem to still ring true these days.
Mine either goes away from tapping the brakes or if I leave it, it seems like the rattle spools up more and more frequent and then lets go and I am good for a bit. Very sporadic timing though. Sounds like the issue is with the IWE.
I had 2014 f150 and had a 6 speed transmission with a 5.0 should have kept the truck . The truck I have now 3.5 eco boost 10 speed and had problems with the transmission but because it learns as it goes smoothed out over time now has 86000 miles and now cold start rattle from the phasers have to prime it when cold and pump oil up into the phasers cams noise stops when warm. I am babying it until I find something else.
Thanks. It is a Factory Ford Raptor. The grille came in it but the company that converted it to the indo Raptor package did paint matching on the grill, bumpers and fender flares. 🤙🏼
Does it affect the operation of the Turbo by putting the spring on it? Causing back pressure? How long have you had the spring installed? Thank you for the info video.
I’ve had it installed 6 months and absolutely no issues. The spring is not strong enough to hold it closed like that. Just a bit of tension to stop the rattle. I give you my word you will not experience any negative side effects. 👍🏻
@@LivinWith3MHow many inches was the added tension spring?? Love my Ecoboost too!! I got a 2014 with 150k. First thing I did was order full bore / polished exhaust manifolds. They came with new head studs and a stainless gasket. I drive the crap out of mine too, spark plugs are done every 24k and I do oil changes every 4k with only motorcraft oil and filter. Just replaced thermostat , cylinder head temp sensor and every related fuse and rely. Only use Motorcraft thermostats. My 3 Rd Ford truck and ive had to wrench on every one but I love em over most.
Your description of the IWE delete is not quite correct. When you do the delete, it is locking the axles so they will now turn with the wheels. You are not locking it in 4WL. It’s still in 2WD until you turn the switch on the dash.
@@LivinWith3M anytime brother. I hope I didn’t sound like an ass trying to correct you because that was not my intention at all. Just trying to help a brother out. BTW (at least I believe that’s the way it works) 😂. Have a great day
I have a 2018 raptor I get a rattle when accelerating when I get to about 25 mph the rattle lasts for about 2 seconds then goes away.. mechanic shop tried to tell me it’s my timing belt but I don’t think they put it in 4wd when they test drove it, when in 4wd it’s makes no noise?
@@LivinWith3M thanks 👍 yeah if it was the timing belt I would think it would make that sound whether in 4wd or 2wd it only makes it in 2wd, the truck only has 75k miles on it and I barely drive it.. thanks for the info!
Took my 2016 ecoboost truck to Ford Dealer 2 years ago because of the noise. Said they can’t do anything unless the engine light is on. I asked if a mechanic could at least drive it and they said no. Unless/Until an engine light comes on… It finally did. 2 yrs later. Blown engine due to failure of the Variable Timing Control Phasers and Ford KNEW about this. It would have been covered by the warranty but not now. I’m out $16,000!!! Please beware!
Omg that is absolutely terrible. I hate you experienced that. Hopefully people will read this and now we know that in some instances the check engine light will not show cam phaser issues. The dealer should have replaced the vct solenoids and phasers at time of complaint knowing the history of these faulty components. Thank you for your insight.
Im tellin ya. Ford needs to be held accountable for these engines doing this, and not just within the warranty period. It’s clearly an across the board issue that needs recalled.
When I replaced the phasers and timing chain on my 2008 5.4 I watched "ford makuloco", it made the replacement a lot easier, he is damn good at explaining ford repairs.
Don't do cold starts,you have to prime the engine, by holding the acceleratetor to the floor about 5-10 seconds, then turn everything loose at same time, you are priming engine with oil, and you want have that rattle on cold start up, it's OK when the engine is warm,try that 😊
Oh as soon as I started hearing it I started researching and I would say only 1000 miles before fixing it. I had warranty to replace the cam phasers and then I fixed the turbo wastegate rattle easy enough with the springs, and the IWE you can just unplug until you have money to get them replaced.
Yeah, me too lol. Bought my 2014 3.5 EB last week and while researching something about it, stumbled across all kinds of details about this engine. Pissed that I didn't do my homework- because I usually do!
On those engines. It's not one oil catch can. It's two. They have to be put in when the truck is brand new. Mine is a 2020. With only just over 24,000 miles. Zero problems.
@JesusGonzalez-tn6hk Take the top cover off. As look at the driver side of the engine. Around the second sparkplug back. Going from the front of the engine back towards the firewall. You will see the same tube. That goes down in the air inlet into the drive side turbo. Both tubes are the same size. Both go into the turbo inlets at the same location. I would do a video to help. I can't. I just traded my pickup yesterday on an F350 transit van. It had only the 3.5l. No turbos. Because not the price of the vehicle. The interest of the loans. I went about dirt basic. Yet. Extremely happy. I hope this helps. Once you see the tube, you will never miss it. You have to take the cover off to find it.
You would think at the price of these new vehicles these companies could get them correct. I believe these cam phasers have been bad for years of model runs as if Ford made so many, knew about them and hoped people would not drive enough miles to get them to fail under warranty. Problem solved next sucker gets screwed with cost of repairs.
I use my truck to go back-and-forth to the gym and occasionally I will pick up some thing for work with it when I can’t use my van and the problems I’m having with this vehicle. It’s just ridiculous. I think I’m done with.ford
The Ecoboost definitely comes with its share of issues to address for sure. But once we address the cam phasers with the updated ones, then replace iwe on the front hubs, possibly put two springs on turbo linkage to stop rattling and usually it fixes most rattles. I still love my fords. Just my opinion.
Ford quality is the worst! I have 2017 / 3.5 eco-boost Cam-phaser defective engineering and no recall! 😮 It’s two to $3000 the repair at a dealership !
Cam phaser issue simple fix is to hold the gas pedal down while cranking for 3-5 seconds to build oil pressure then take your foot off the gas pedal then it will start with no rattle. Helps the phasers build oil pressure before it starts.
Great info. Thank you and I’m sure that will help some that read this. Pumps the oil pressure up and stops the rattle. Nice!!!! 👍🏼
I’m actually replacing my phasers next week along with timing chains and all that. But with these push starts, do you just hold the gas down for a few seconds and then push start it and let off the pedal? Is that what you’re saying basically
@@kryptic_lc how much did it cost you to fix everything
@tabithabartlett306 Around 3k. 🤦🏻♂️
@@tabithabartlett306 Ford quoted me $4300 and I got it done at a shop for $2500. Parts alone were about $1200 including water pump. Gotta get all new oil, oil filter, and coolant too.
I blew a hole straight through one of my phasers so be careful cause it can definitely get worse if you don’t get it fixed.
I had the cam phaser issue on my 2015 Expedition with 3.5 ecoboost. I bought the truck with 150k miles on it and solved the problem by flood starting the engine by holding the gas pedal to the floor and cranking the engine until the oil pressure showed normal. I also switched to Penzoil full synthetic oil with the OEM Motocraft filter and changed the oil every 5k miles. After about 20k miles, the rattle is gone and I no longer flood start the engine.
Great advice man. I sure appreciate that information. 👊🏼
How long did you do the flood for ? Every day for a few weeks?
@@cheizaguirre5494 I set my gauges to display the oil pressure on startup and kept the gas pedal to the floor until the gauge read Pressure OK. I did this for several months but it gradually took less time for the pressure to build. It also built pressure quicker in warm weather. The rattle was pretty much gone by my third 5k oil change. It's been below zero for the past week and the oil pressure is there every time without having to flood start and no rattle.
If you have a catch can like I do, you also need to be sure to empty it at least every 5k miles when you change the oil. Otherwise it does more harm than good because all that gunk gets recycled in the engine. The can was full when I bought the vehicle and the dealership didn't empty the can when I had them change the oil because it is an aftermarket part and I don't think they knew it needed to be emptied.
@@Roy-ij1wq okay thanks. Does that priming out wear on any components in the engine or even the starter ?
@@cheizaguirre5494 It may impact the starter. I just had to have mine replaced at 175k miles. My 2007 Expedition with the Triton V-8 went 220k before the starter went out. I think salt and corrosion are bigger factor.
Great video! Just wanted to clarify that the IWE delete does not leave the truck in 4WD 24/7, it just locks the hubs in 24/7. When the knob is set to 2WD, it also disconnects via the transfer case. Which means that an IWE delete allows the front wheels (as they roll on the ground) to spin the front diff - but the front diff is disconnected from the transmission in this scenario. Meaning if you want to use 4WD, you'd still have to use the knob to engage 4WD, and the the transfer case will activate, connecting the front diff to the transmission. Some people have reported great success from this! Others (specifically with lifts) have reported the pinion bearings failing much sooner than expected on the front diff with IWE deletes.
Man this is great information for people that read this. Thank you for your insight James. It is much appreciated 🤙🏼
5.0 can have the same issue
@jvw82 oh wow. Great info as I was not aware. Thanks man.
My F-150 is actually at the dealer right now for them to figure out whatever rattle is happening every once in a while on it. They said they have no idea what’s wrong with it. I’ll be asking for my truck back from these morons and I’ll try to fix it myself. Thanks for this video, it’s probably gonna save me a lot of money and time.
You are welcome. Yeah, mine visited the dealer several times, and they could not re-create the rattle. But every time I took it home, it would show itself. They finally got it to act up and replace the cam phasers and VCT solenoids. About two months after that, I noticed the turbo wastegate rattle, and was able to fix that myself. Frustrating for sure.
Ford has spent more money fixing problems than ever befre. It’s the ecoboost. They told dealers NOT to service them unless there is an engine light on.
Had a 2012 FX2 with the 5.0 Coyote, traded that for a 2019 Raptor with 60k miles, added 60k mile warrantee that was in its last month when they finally said the cam phasers needed swapping. Love the Raptor, miss the Coyote!!
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Great video. I have a 2019 5.0 and love it! I’m 61, so it may be my last truck. A friend of mine has a 2020 raptor and experienced all the rattles you did.
Thank you so much. Yeah it seems to be across the board common rattles among this engine. I’ve owned the 5.0 in my 2016 model and never had any issues. I obviously love my Raptor and the power of the turbos too. Just gotta work these rattles out and it’s ok. 👍🏼
I replaced 2 sets of IWE hubs before a realized what to do. What i did was remove the vaccum line from the IWE completely and plugged the little male ends on the IWE. Has been fine for the lasr 15k miles
Great info brother. I will definitely share that idea with viewers. Thank you. 🤙🏼
Yeah but now you don't have 4wd when you need it.
@brianburkett7243 do you know how the system works?
@@Mr02kotalengthy response but poof its gone
@@Mr02kotait won't let me lengthy respond. Errors out
I have a 2015 with the 5.0 coyote and wouldn’t have anything else. I hope it’s my last truck. I’ve heard that using a good quality oil is critical for the variable cam solenoid, so I been using Amsoil since I bought it new!
Awesome. I had the 2016 5.0 for 5 years before with not one issue either. Strong stable engine for sure. Thanks for the tip on Amsoil oil also. 👍🏼
There’s a 4th rattled I’ve found on the 11-14 f150s any motor and the 15-present f150s and expedition there’s a heat shield rattle it’s from the driver side crossover pipe put a couple hose clamps on it and you’re golden
I’ve put 2 clamps on my buddys 14 coyote f150 my moms 18 expedition 3.5 and my 16 f150 3.5 fixed the rattle on all of them 😂
Man that’s awesome Info for people that can’t find the 4th rattle. Thanks for that tip bro. 👊🏼
Absolutely ridiculous that you have to worry about this crap after paying $80,000
Brother I totally agree. I had a buddy asking me if I would recommend the Ecoboost for him as he is looking to buy. I said absolutely not if it’s your daily driver and it’s out of warranty used.
Mine never rattled until about 65000, I like it, they are good if you change your oil every 4k miles. Maybe if they didn’t become so expensive there’d be worth it, but if ima pay 80k I’m gonna get a v8, forgot to say. Only thing that’s rattling is the skid plate. Only thing changed since bought was the tires brakes and oil. And has perfect mapping at the moment.
Why not ? Audi and Bmw you pay double that and get more than that .
It can happen with any truck, not just raptors. Anybody that’s pays 80k for a truck can and will have problems with their trucks over time
the 4x4 sound is because that vacuum pulls it out of 4 wheel drive. if you lose vacuum it goes into 4 wheel drive. as they wear out they leak a little and slightly engage and the teeth on the gears is what you hear making noise.
I love and appreciate you all of your videos
Thank you. 👊🏼
I had the startup rattle and diesel noise on the phasers/timing chains at about 20k miles on my 19 f150 3.5L eboost. Ford fixed it on warranty and its been mint since then. At about 45k the thermostat housing cracked, they covered that also. Only issue left is the wastegate rattle for about a minute on a cold start. The springs is my next mod haha. Great video!
Thank you. Glad they got you fixed up and yep the springs will be the last and cheapest fix. 👊🏼
Nice truck. Just a heads up, the 4x4 switch randomly goes bad. This past weekend mine gave me a locker warning and when I slowed down under 20mph to take a turn the locker came on. Easy fix is you need to apply pressure to the switch. I folded a piece of cardboard and wedged it between the body of the switch and the trim and it fixes it until you can replace it. 2016 lariat special edition FX4. 3.5
I sure appreciate that info so much! I will definitely keep that in mind about the 4 x 4 switch
Awesome information brother! Thanks again. This will help us all. 🍻🍺
Thanks bro. I sure appreciate it. 🤙🏼
I was looking at Raptor with 175k miles 😅
I already did cam phasers on my ford 5.3l 3 valve engine
I do know how to fix it but justifying $30k to wife than having to buy $1500 dollars for parts I don’t know if I’m ready 🤣🤣
Thanks great video
Thanks bro. Man I tell ya, it is a hard pill to swallow. Even doing it yourself it’s still expensive. Especially after buying at these car prices these days 👊🏼
Our 2019 expedition I believe has the turbo radle I'll check it out to see if this is the noise
If so please report back. I hope it’s an easy fix for you. 👍🏼
Ty ty ty
Lowes didn't have in stock so had them shipped. Going to try to install them this weekend.
There is another short where someone made a fix to the wastegate but didn't show how. Commenter's said he tightened up on the adjustment nut (I believe).
I'm coming from an 09 escalade that had the notorious (but unknown to me until it happened) lifter fail at 153000 miles. I could go on and on about it and add how it could be deleted but ultimately it came down to cost and reliability. Nothing that I've researched gas indicated that theses noises lead to failure. They are just that, noises that can be delt with.
With that said, I'm loving my used 2018 family truckster, the Lincoln Navigator with the Raptor engine.
That’s great that you got the springs ordered. That really should fix the noise. Glad to see you came over from the GMC / Cadillac side to the Fords. Let me know how it goes. Glad I could help.
The older 3.5L EcoBoosts can get the phaser rattle at around 150k miles. Just diagnosed a family member's 2015 Expedition. Debating whether to fix, or sell (with quote from our mechanic) and get a smaller vehicle.
That’s so frustrating I know. I hate people have to go through these manufacturer quality nightmares and especially to have to fit the bill when all said and done. Thanks for the info 🤙🏼
@@LivinWith3M I know, it's definitely a bummer. Remember when engine life expectancy was 200k+ miles just by changing the oil regularly? Pepperidge Farm remembers. lol
Hoping some Lucas oil stabilizer will help with the rattle until we make a decision. It's not something I would add to such a new engine under any other circumstances, but I'm hoping a tacky additive will help keep some lubrication inside the offending phaser when the engine's cold. Rattle-y phasers have been known to seize and shatter into the engine if ignored. O.O
@MrsRepairTech I have heard good things about Lucas. Good luck I sure hope it helps. 🙏🏼
Hell of a video, I’m going through all of this right now and it’s ridicules, I haven’t even had the truck that long 3 yrs, the car converter is definitely rattling, it’s at the dealer right now they’re getting new fazers and my valve cover gasket are leaking once again I’m about ready to get rid of the truck, I love it when it’s running but the last 4 months it’s cost me 5k
Dang bro. Yep all that happened to mine but thank God it was under warranty for mine. I fully understand your frustration
Great video with explanation. The other rattle is the sunroof rattle. It drove me nuts. I thought it was the dash. It wasn’t till I saw another video that I realized the seals on the sunroof get dry and rattle. Ford uses GPL 205 grease by Ktytox. It’s expensive and tedious but it works. I’ve seen videos of silicone line spray also working.
Thanks man. Also thanks for the added rattle explanation. I’ll definitely pass that on to those people trying to troubleshoot their rattles. 🤙🏼
Also on cam phasers if you get the rattle, when you start the truck hold the break and gas down and try to crank it. Let it turn over a couple of times and let off the gas and the truck will start. It builds oil pressure up so when you let the gas go it cracks up and most the time won’t rattle
Excellent assessment and recommendation. Thank you.👊🏼👍🏼
I have a 2015 Expedition and the 3.5 has been good to me with plenty power. I have done lots of towing with this truck and it impresses me for a gas engine .Only downfall is it is a noisy engine. I put an aftermarket high pressure fuel pump and holy crap i thought the motor was going to blow up without the foam sound supressor over it, it is loud.
That’s awesome that it’s been reliable like that. They are some noisy engines. 🤙🏼
I have a 2015 Ford Expedition as well…only thing is mine shakes at idle but there’s no check engine light..it’ll shake and go away then come back
Good tips brother. Cam phaser lock outs! Ford engineers listen to man. He on something👍🏽 Good video brother hit them engineers on the head💪🏾
Thanks brother. Yeah the 3.5 has its issues. Come on Ford. Let’s fix this shit. 🤷🏻♂️
The only other thing I can think of you can do is to go to a thicker oil. 10W30 instead of 5W20 - to prevent bleed off.
Just cost me nearly $5000 to replace phasers. Said they've replaced around 150 so far. Mine is a 2018 XLT.
That’s a steep price brother, but the good thing is once mine were replaced I’ve never had another rattle from them. 🤙🏼
@LivinWith3M that's good news. Made sure they used updated replacement parts.
I would check your oil filter my 2013 5.0l was cam phasers were rattling need a motorcraft oil filter to stop the rattling
Thanks for that info John. Appreciate it brother. I’m sure some of the subscribers here may definitely need to hear that. 🤙🏼
Sweet truck man from Blk Mtn NC
Thank you. Awesome, my Son went to college at Montreat a few years ago. Small world. Hope y’all ok up that way? I know it’s been really bad recovering.
Vacuum delete on my IWE’s. Havent had a problem since 😂
I’ve unplugged my electrical for now but that is my next mod for sure. I’m all about doing replacement parts videos, But these IWEs fail so often it’s not worth the hassle I feel.
@ yup! I replaced stuff and it persisted. So I just capped the lines. Its been thousands of miles and I haven’t noticed any difference and have not had any more problems.
Such a helpful video. Thank you!
You’re welcome bro. Thanks for watching. 👊🏼
Great video and Hi all, I have a 2013 Platinum with 148000 miles and it's starting to do the start up rattle, but I have another question, I have a check engine light from the shity cats, has any more gutted them out and then put a 02 sensor extension
Thank you. Maybe someone will chime in on the cats and oxygen sensor extensions 🤙🏼
I like how he says you need a particular spring and that he would put a link for that spring in the description but when u click on it the link is for a whole assortment of springs lol
The main reason for the link to the assorted pack is that I’ve had several people say that a particular size spring, was either either too long or too short for their trucks application. So this assortment works perfect.
Great information. Thank you
You are quite welcome. 👊🏼
Are you running a catch can? Everyone in the groups will say you don’t need one but the way I see it, it won’t hurt to run one. In just over 2 years of running one I filled up a gold peak 20oz bottle up and just started on a small Gatorade bottle
You sound a lot like me. Most everyone else will not bother with it, but you see the proof right there that would go right back through your engine via the intake. I totally agree with you that you have done the right thing
Decent video, some of what you said about the iwe's is false. I got 140k pushing 150k and my truck has been worked hard it's whole life, Outside of the cam phasers no issues. Btw zero converter issues and I'm running The delete kit on my IWE's. Just did a 800 mile trip a couple weeks ago. I would take an EcoBoost with 200,000 mi over a coyote with 50,000.
Thank you for your perspective. I really appreciate it. Any valuable Information like yours helps people who read these comments. Awesome! 🍻👊🏼
"You hear a sound, and it sounds like nothing here on this earth" 😂😂😂
I got the exact springs you posted to fix the waste gate rattle, but mine seems too long to hook tightly to the oil return tube on the bottom of the turbo! Did you have to modify your spring at all to make it snug? Thanks for the info, btw! That rattle was driving me NUTS!
If you have to, take the spring back off and use two pairs of needle nose, pliers, to make another bend and shorten the spring end. You’re welcome bro. 👍🏼
Awesome man thank
You
You are most welcome. 🤙🏼
How long does that spring method last? Im thinking the spring is near the turbo and they are hot, the spring will heat up and get stretched
That’s a possibility, but I’ve had mine on for a year now with no tension loss. Worth it to me to change out every so often if they stretched, but so far so good 🤙🏼
Loved my 5.0
🤙🏼 as you should. Nice. 👊🏼
My 2018 3.5 had all those issues. Under warranty they had to replace the wore out hubs from the grinding. 84000 miles, out of warranty cam phaser issue. Do you know about how much that would be to get fixed ?Thanks, Jacksonville Florida.
Man I hear you. I did hear of cam phaser dealer prices going from $2500 to $4000. Not sure why the big price difference from dealer to dealer. But it’s not cheap. Good luck man.
Ouch,thanks brother
had my PCM reprogrammed (under customer satisfaction program 21b10) on my18 raptor due to phasers at 72k and got an extended warranty of 1yr or 12k miles in case they needed replaced later, at 85k phasers started acting up and I was out of warranty. Now I need to come out of pocket for the repairs.
Man I sure hate to hear that.
If your trucks past the 60k mile or whatever warranty. Your better off just replacing the cam phasers when needed. The extended warranties cost twice as much as the repair does lol
Great advice bro. Thanks👊🏼
How do I know which spring to use from that assorted box? Hate the rattling on the turbo
How I did it was just grab a spring you think looks close to that length. Then use your hands and stretch to put it on. You should not need tools like pliers to fit these on. You want it to fit snug but not super tight. If the spring is too tight then you will notice your boost gauge won’t boost like normal. Then go to a looser fitting spring. 👍🏼
Great video man, I will try the turbo spring hack. How much did they charge you to change the cam phasers. Just came back from the dealer, they were trying to charge me $6,500 for mine. I thought to search for second opinion before I commit.
Thanks bro, man that’s a crazy high price. Mine was upper $2k to around $3k after tax and everything the dealer put on me. Try a different dealer for sure and tell them you want the updated cam phasers and VCT solenoids used. You don’t want the old design. Ttyl.
Good information. 😊
Thank you so much.
Mine has a ticking noise at low throttle but when the turbos spool it goes away. Then comes back when I leave a stop sign or red light until the turbo spools again. Is my problem the first one? Loose waste gate?
It’s really hard to say, but I would start with the cheapest remedy first which would be the springs on the wastegates. That’s less than $15 for that fix. If it doesn’t fix it, then I would think it would be the cam phasers vct solenoids.
We have a 2018 F150 with the 3.5 eco-boost. It currently has 52,000 km (about 32,000 miles). It started rattling the other day and I'm told that it needs cam phasers and a timing chain. $4000 repair less than six month after the warranty expired.
If you're thinking of buying Ford, don't.
Ryan that totally sucks and I sure don’t blame you for feeling that way. Ford really needs to step up and do better. Their slogan used to be quality job one, that doesn’t seem to still ring true these days.
Thanks for sharing the video! With the IWE rattle did it seem to go away when you would tap the brakes? Not sure if I’m experiencing the same rattle.
You are welcome. Yes, Mine would chatter loudly for a couple seconds then either go away on its own or when I hit brakes. 🤙🏼
Mine either goes away from tapping the brakes or if I leave it, it seems like the rattle spools up more and more frequent and then lets go and I am good for a bit. Very sporadic timing though. Sounds like the issue is with the IWE.
Yep for sure. I would bet IWE
I had 2014 f150 and had a 6 speed transmission with a 5.0 should have kept the truck . The truck I have now 3.5 eco boost 10 speed and had problems with the transmission but because it learns as it goes smoothed out over time now has 86000 miles and now cold start rattle from the phasers have to prime it when cold and pump oil up into the phasers cams noise stops when warm. I am babying it until I find something else.
It’s out of warranty and can’t afford a new huge truck payment wife is retired and I got 6 years to go until I retire.
Man I fully understand your predicament. The 14 coyote f150 was a great truck. My son had one and never had a check engine light.
I like the way you have the grill, did you buy it aftermarket or have it painted?
Thanks. It is a Factory Ford Raptor. The grille came in it but the company that converted it to the indo Raptor package did paint matching on the grill, bumpers and fender flares. 🤙🏼
@@LivinWith3Mlooks awesome!!
@440lowhertz Thank you ! 😊
Do you by chance know how much it will cost to fix the cat converter?
Having a dealer replace it cost around $700
Does it affect the operation of the Turbo by putting the spring on it? Causing back pressure? How long have you had the spring installed?
Thank you for the info video.
I’ve had it installed 6 months and absolutely no issues. The spring is not strong enough to hold it closed like that. Just a bit of tension to stop the rattle. I give you my word you will not experience any negative side effects. 👍🏻
Thanks for the info. It works!
@@LivinWith3MHow many inches was the added tension spring??
Love my Ecoboost too!!
I got a 2014 with 150k. First thing I did was order full bore / polished exhaust manifolds. They came with new head studs and a stainless gasket. I drive the crap out of mine too, spark plugs are done every 24k and I do oil changes every 4k with only motorcraft oil and filter. Just replaced thermostat , cylinder head temp sensor and every related fuse and rely. Only use Motorcraft thermostats. My 3 Rd Ford truck and ive had to wrench on every one but I love em over most.
Your description of the IWE delete is not quite correct. When you do the delete, it is locking the axles so they will now turn with the wheels. You are not locking it in 4WL. It’s still in 2WD until you turn the switch on the dash.
Thanks Jeff for that correction. Makes sense and I hope the viewers will read your helpful comment and be advised. I sure appreciate that. 👊🏼
@@LivinWith3M anytime brother. I hope I didn’t sound like an ass trying to correct you because that was not my intention at all. Just trying to help a brother out. BTW (at least I believe that’s the way it works) 😂. Have a great day
Not at all bro. I really do value your information and help. 👊🏼
@@LivinWith3M 👊🏻
I have a 2018 raptor I get a rattle when accelerating when I get to about 25 mph the rattle lasts for about 2 seconds then goes away.. mechanic shop tried to tell me it’s my timing belt but I don’t think they put it in 4wd when they test drove it, when in 4wd it’s makes no noise?
I would bet on the IWEs going out. Please check that before spending a ton of timing chain or belt.
@@LivinWith3M thanks 👍 yeah if it was the timing belt I would think it would make that sound whether in 4wd or 2wd it only makes it in 2wd, the truck only has 75k miles on it and I barely drive it.. thanks for the info!
@gjs_5554 your welcome bro. If you think to let me know what you find out I would appreciate it. 🤙🏼
@@LivinWith3M definitely will do
Took my 2016 ecoboost truck to Ford Dealer 2 years ago because of the noise. Said they can’t do anything unless the engine light is on. I asked if a mechanic could at least drive it and they said no. Unless/Until an engine light comes on… It finally did. 2 yrs later. Blown engine due to failure of the Variable Timing Control Phasers and Ford KNEW about this. It would have been covered by the warranty but not now. I’m out $16,000!!! Please beware!
Omg that is absolutely terrible. I hate you experienced that. Hopefully people will read this and now we know that in some instances the check engine light will not show cam phaser issues. The dealer should have replaced the vct solenoids and phasers at time of complaint knowing the history of these faulty components. Thank you for your insight.
I need to know where to put the springs..
th-cam.com/users/shortsOdPEjXFORzY?si=23AdEUqRrvTzbjon
haha - had I seen this vid before buying an ecoboost i woulda stayed away
Im tellin ya. Ford needs to be held accountable for these engines doing this, and not just within the warranty period. It’s clearly an across the board issue that needs recalled.
#4 clean and lube up the moon roof seal
Very good tip! Thank you. Yes that will prevent rattles and also the infamous trac binding and breaking like so many have. 👊🏼
Thank you 🙏
You are most welcome. Hope my video helped.
There are two youtubers I highly recommend every ford owner subscribe to. Flying Wrenches and ford makuloco
Will do Brian. Thank you.
When I replaced the phasers and timing chain on my 2008 5.4 I watched "ford makuloco", it made the replacement a lot easier, he is damn good at explaining ford repairs.
I bought one yesterday .. 2017 raptor 😅 and it rattles after I step on it 😢
Man, I hate that. Please have it checked asap.
Don't do cold starts,you have to prime the engine, by holding the acceleratetor to the floor about 5-10 seconds, then turn everything loose at same time, you are priming engine with oil, and you want have that rattle on cold start up, it's OK when the engine is warm,try that 😊
Man that is very interesting. I will definitely give that idea a try. Thank you. 🤙🏼
"then turn everything loose at same time" - not sure what that means ... explain please
@@williamh2594 the ignition key & accelerator
Just take your foot completely off the accelerator, and it will start.@@williamh2594
@@williamh2594 yeah got confuse when he said turn everything loose at the same time
Will to trade my 2018 f150 3.5 for a scooter or a tacoma... Any year
I can certainly understand the frustration.
Wastegate Rattle still an issue on 2023 Ecoboost?
Supposedly they fixed all rattles on newer models but hopefully someone will chime in with a newer Raptor for verification. 🤙🏼
I'm pretty sure after 2016 the wastegates are all electronic
What headlights are those?
Believe it or not these are factory 2018 raptor Ford headlights
How many milles does it have and it steal have that rattle
Mine started at 48k miles. I have conquered all my rattles as of now.
@@LivinWith3M how long did you run it with that rattle
Oh as soon as I started hearing it I started researching and I would say only 1000 miles before fixing it. I had warranty to replace the cam phasers and then I fixed the turbo wastegate rattle easy enough with the springs, and the IWE you can just unplug until you have money to get them replaced.
I had a 2018 with 5.0 Coyote dumped it to damn noisy and 2 quarts of oil to 3000 miles
I can sure understand your frustration bro.
I bought one first. I did the research Later.
I totally understand. A lot of people do. 🤙🏼
Yeah, me too lol. Bought my 2014 3.5 EB last week and while researching something about it, stumbled across all kinds of details about this engine. Pissed that I didn't do my homework- because I usually do!
On those engines. It's not one oil catch can. It's two. They have to be put in when the truck is brand new. Mine is a 2020. With only just over 24,000 miles. Zero problems.
I am seeing that now. Both sides of the engine. Yep, thank you. 🤙🏼
@@LivinWith3M You're welcome. The oil clogs up the whole system. I put both on my battery box. The PCV side at 20,000 was half full of oil.
I have a passenger side oil can but not a driver side catch can. Where did add the second catch can/bought ?
@JesusGonzalez-tn6hk Take the top cover off. As look at the driver side of the engine. Around the second sparkplug back. Going from the front of the engine back towards the firewall. You will see the same tube. That goes down in the air inlet into the drive side turbo. Both tubes are the same size. Both go into the turbo inlets at the same location. I would do a video to help. I can't. I just traded my pickup yesterday on an F350 transit van. It had only the 3.5l. No turbos. Because not the price of the vehicle. The interest of the loans. I went about dirt basic. Yet. Extremely happy. I hope this helps. Once you see the tube, you will never miss it. You have to take the cover off to find it.
5.o is the way to go
I respect that. I’ve had many 5.0engines over my life. Love them. 👍🏼
Ty
You are most welcome.
You would think at the price of these new vehicles these companies could get them correct. I believe these cam phasers have been bad for years of model runs as if Ford made so many, knew about them and hoped people would not drive enough miles to get them to fail under warranty. Problem solved next sucker gets screwed with cost of repairs.
Man I totally agree. 🤦🏻♂️
I use my truck to go back-and-forth to the gym and occasionally I will pick up some thing for work with it when I can’t use my van and the problems I’m having with this vehicle. It’s just ridiculous. I think I’m done with.ford
The Ecoboost definitely comes with its share of issues to address for sure. But once we address the cam phasers with the updated ones, then replace iwe on the front hubs, possibly put two springs on turbo linkage to stop rattling and usually it fixes most rattles. I still love my fords. Just my opinion.
if its under warranty thats probly what they'll say "oh its supposed to sound that way it'snormal"🤦 no
Some dealers will probably try that to get out of doing the work for sure.
Change oil every 5k
I agree. Definitely can’t do the 10k mile that some oils suggest. 3-5k would be my advice also.
Ford quality is the worst!
I have 2017 / 3.5 eco-boost Cam-phaser defective engineering and no recall! 😮
It’s two to $3000 the repair at a dealership !
Man I totally get your frustration. 🤦🏻♂️😖
改装的中控安卓主机。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
Thank you.
@@LivinWith3M No, I mean these Android consoles are garbage.
Gotcha. For sure they are just that. I constantly have issues from mine. Thanks.
Alright guys what you ganna wanna do is trade in your ford and get absolutely anything else.
Only if other makes have zero issues. Let me know. I’ll wait.
Speak Up
I just went back and watched the video and have no issues with volume on my end. Hmmm 🤔
@@LivinWith3M I think he means in regards to making ford accountable for "budget engineering".
Gotcha. That does make sense. Thanks. 👊🏼