Another great tutorial Dave......the mist has finally cleared on the TOPS numbering’s......incidentally, I wasn’t aware that the Sealink vessels were also embraced into this system. All very interesting from a former Sealink marine engineer. Keep them coming!,
Congratulations on being named by Hornby Magazine as the UK Retailer of the Year today. Innovations like this channel content contributing to this award no doubt.
Really learned something from this. The UK numbering system always confused me but now it really makes sense and is really logical when you understand it
Diesel locomotives in the series immediately before TOPS started with D1. DMU TOPS classes were originally allocated to the individual designs of vehicles, for example the Metro-Camm DTC was originally given the Class 144, but by the mid-1980s they had been reclassified to Class 101. The sub-class system was based on LNER practices. DMUs weren't fully integrated with TOPS until the 1980s, with the vehicles in the range 50001-50999 being renumbered 53001-53999 and 56001-56999 being renumbered 54001-54999 to remove the clashes with the Class 50 and Class 56 locomotives.
hi dave. i think electric loco 2002 from 1941 just managed to get a tops no as it was scrapped in 1969, it was a class 77 i think. it was one of 3 electric locos built for the southern region which i remember, showing my age now !
Hi Peter, the three 'Booster' locos gained the TOPs Class 70, but none of the locos actually carried these numbers before they were withdrawn, so we have to leave that possibility to the imagination :-) - Dave
As an old fart who remembers the transition to tops really well, I think Dave did a great job of explaining it. Now where is my old Ian Allan locoshed book?
Thanks Dave learnt something today,congratulation for winning The Hornby Magazine Award.You mentioned steam locos were 98 do you know how you can tell which engine is which.
Hi Richard, steam locos that had permission/equipment to run on British Rail post 1968 still carried their original numbers on the outside, but a plate in the cab had their TOPs number used on the computerised system. The system applied is generally as below: 98, then the locos power classification, then the last two digits of its usual number. So an example is 98507 for LMS Black 5 45407 - 98-5-07. Another example is BR 7MT 'Britannia' 70013 - 98-7-13. Hope that helps! Dave
The refurbished 56 locomotives for GBRf are the class 69 as this is the next number in the TOPS system as there is a 66 67 68 and class 70. it seems right
In Sweden we got another and much simpler system. Eg a eletric loco has the class RC 4 the first letters denote the name of the loco RC is name from the Swedish Sate railways the number 4 is the serie 4 and the following numbers are the locos serial number. But when it comes to the class number it only shows the RC4 not the serial number on the loco. The only diffrence is the mainline diesel loco and switcher the class number eg is T44.348 the first letter oddly enought is stands for traction but this type of loco is diesel eletric thats why is has T44 last number is the serial number of the loco. And yes we got class 66 diesel locos and those are the only tops number locos that we have on the swedish rails. The 66 ies belongs to a private company Hector rail. The class Y1 1326 it a dmu. The first letters only identify that unit is a newer dmu there are a Y7 also but its a older dmu. The class Y1 was bought in from Italy in the 80 ies in larger batches. The last four numbers are the dmus serial number and it is shown under the front windows. y1 is still in trafic and the y7 is in preservation.
@@HattonsModelRailways you are welcomme Dave. If you want to know more i can easely when able to digg up more class numbers on locos. Ive got one intresting class number. Have you seen a loco class with letters well i got one it the Da and Ds. Da is geard for gods trains and the Ds is geard for express pax trains. Some of the locos that i know of is still in active service with private or whith museum railways. Those locos was common late 40 ties up until the present time. We do not scrap good locos because they are old. We do refub and reuse them again.
Excellent summary of TOPS. Enjoyed it. Keep up the good work Dave.
Thanks David, glad you enjoyed the show.
Another great tutorial Dave......the mist has finally cleared on the TOPS numbering’s......incidentally, I wasn’t aware that the Sealink vessels were also embraced into this system. All very interesting from a former Sealink marine engineer. Keep them coming!,
Congratulations on being named by Hornby Magazine as the UK Retailer of the Year today.
Innovations like this channel content contributing to this award no doubt.
Thanks John, its an honour to win the award and thanks to each and every one of you that voted for us.
Really learned something from this. The UK numbering system always confused me but now it really makes sense and is really logical when you understand it
Once you get your head around it its nice and easy to follow - a bit like riding a bike! - Dave
These excellent videos come faster than I can eat popcorn!
Very informative and well presented, thank you, keep them coming....
Thanks for watching - we'll keep them coming thick and fast :-)
Diesel locomotives in the series immediately before TOPS started with D1. DMU TOPS classes were originally allocated to the individual designs of vehicles, for example the Metro-Camm DTC was originally given the Class 144, but by the mid-1980s they had been reclassified to Class 101.
The sub-class system was based on LNER practices.
DMUs weren't fully integrated with TOPS until the 1980s, with the vehicles in the range 50001-50999 being renumbered 53001-53999 and 56001-56999 being renumbered 54001-54999 to remove the clashes with the Class 50 and Class 56 locomotives.
Excellent review Dave. Congratulations on Uk retailer of the year from Hornby magazine too. Iain
Thanks to all of you who voted for us too, and of course thanks for watching the video.
hi dave. i think electric loco 2002 from 1941 just managed to get a tops no as it was scrapped in 1969, it was a class 77 i think. it was one of 3 electric locos built for the southern region which i remember, showing my age now !
Hi Peter, the three 'Booster' locos gained the TOPs Class 70, but none of the locos actually carried these numbers before they were withdrawn, so we have to leave that possibility to the imagination :-) - Dave
Great information Dave, I’m always learning something new....👍
Cheers John B😷
You and me both John - the best part about our hobby is that there's always something exciting to discover.
As an old fart who remembers the transition to tops really well, I think Dave did a great job of explaining it. Now where is my old Ian Allan locoshed book?
Thanks Dave learnt something today,congratulation for winning The Hornby Magazine Award.You mentioned steam locos were 98 do you know how you can tell which engine is which.
Hi Richard, steam locos that had permission/equipment to run on British Rail post 1968 still carried their original numbers on the outside, but a plate in the cab had their TOPs number used on the computerised system.
The system applied is generally as below:
98, then the locos power classification, then the last two digits of its usual number.
So an example is 98507 for LMS Black 5 45407 - 98-5-07.
Another example is BR 7MT 'Britannia' 70013 - 98-7-13.
Hope that helps!
Dave
@@HattonsModelRailways Cheers Dave that makes Sence sorry about spelling last time... auto correct.
The refurbished 56 locomotives for GBRf are the class 69 as this is the next number in the TOPS system as there is a 66 67 68 and class 70. it seems right
In Sweden we got another and much simpler system.
Eg a eletric loco has the class RC 4 the first letters denote the name of the loco RC is name from the Swedish Sate railways the number 4 is the serie 4 and the following numbers are the locos serial number.
But when it comes to the class number it only shows the RC4 not the serial number on the loco.
The only diffrence is the mainline diesel loco and switcher the class number eg is T44.348 the first letter oddly enought is stands for traction but this type of loco is diesel eletric thats why is has T44 last number is the serial number of the loco.
And yes we got class 66 diesel locos and those are the only tops number locos that we have on the swedish rails.
The 66 ies belongs to a private company Hector rail.
The class Y1 1326 it a dmu. The first letters only identify that unit is a newer dmu there are a Y7 also but its a older dmu.
The class Y1 was bought in from Italy in the 80 ies in larger batches.
The last four numbers are the dmus serial number and it is shown under the front windows.
y1 is still in trafic and the y7 is in preservation.
Thanks Oden, I've had several journeys on Swedens railway system and have enjoyed learning more about its history in your message - Dave
@@HattonsModelRailways you are welcomme Dave.
If you want to know more i can easely when able to digg up more class numbers on locos.
Ive got one intresting class number.
Have you seen a loco class with letters well i got one it the Da and Ds.
Da is geard for gods trains and the Ds is geard for express pax trains.
Some of the locos that i know of is still in active service with private or whith museum railways.
Those locos was common late 40 ties up until the present time.
We do not scrap good locos because they are old.
We do refub and reuse them again.
All Loco's, EMUs, DMUs, DEMUs, Coaching Stock & Wagons are all on TOPS even the 700s & 800s are on TOPS or TRUST whichever it is now!
That's correct, a lot of new rolling stock is now carrying 6 digit numbers as the amount of rolling stock on the network increases.
@@HattonsModelRailways Yes they had to expand TOPS/TRUST recently to include 7xxxxx & 8xxxxx