When you said you all were just standing around like state workers I laughed, as I have heard that expression all my life. But you guys were thinkin on how the best way to load that monster shovel . Great video.
That mixer should be handy around your place once you get it going !! I'm closing in on 80 (in 3 weeks) and when I was 20, I worked for one of my uncles who was a general contractor. He had one of those mixers sitting in his yard. If memory serves, it was a 2 wheel trailer type unit. I think it may have belonged to his dad (my Grandfather) who also was a contractor. I know they used one of those mixers to build a concrete bridge over the Feather River in Northern California back in the early 1900's when my Dad and his 3 brothers were young men. They hauled all of the cement there from San Francisco on a 1 1/2 ton Model A truck. My Dad said they would load 5 tons of cement on the truck before my Grandfather would agree that it was "loaded". I never heard or saw the mixer run. My Dad, uncles, and the mixer are all long gone. My Dad was born in 1913. He had two older brothers, one younger one and four older sisters. Large Italian family.
That's super cool. As a kid I remember one well, being used to clean up a train derailment mess. I would spend hours there watching it work. After the mess was cleaned up, they left the steam shovel behind. We use to play in it... the steam engines and boilers were still intact. I remember the Erie name on it. It brings back memories. The wood was green and the roof was black. It was there until the early 80's. I have no idea what happened to it. My dad may have taken slides of it, back when it was cleaning up the mess. When I start going threw his slides later in the winter, If I find them, I'll send them to you. Looking forward to more videos on it.
👍👌👏 A steam shovel! Now you're talking! The concrete mixer will definitely come in handy for engine foundations you will build in the future. Mixing concrete yourself is way cheaper than the costs of ready-mixed concrete. I bet Nana Catscan will like the mixer too. Best regards luck and health in particular to all of you.
That is a great save on both your parts. It will be great to see them working again. You only see those steam engines in history books. Nice to see one up close. Good Luck with it.
I was a state worker also. The only time anyone notices a state worker is when they have a break. When you’re busting you ass they don’t see you. Lol not that that happens often.
We may just have to call it a steam crane. I have plenty of projects and decided to pass this one to Buddy because he had been looking for a while now.
Going to be very interesting to see just how much of this old machine he can actually restore and bring back to life. It will definitely be a labor of love.
Pretty exciting! Looks like the machinery is complete. The undercarriage might pull somewhat easier if you disengage the steering "clutches" (sliding gears) by the track sprockets. With them engaged, you are turning 3 shafts with plain bearings and 2 bevel gear sets. Also allows tracks to move independently to steer it. Stiff springs to defeat, forget how that goes together. Also looks sunk in, dig ramps. There are 3 Erie B's that I get to see frequently, 2 of them getting boiler work. 2 have the bolt on second drum for crane work. I have video of one of them working, set up as a shovel, on my YT title page. Also 4 long videos of a 50-B steam shovel working.
The maintaining of history is critical and beneficial for our children’s children to understand that our existence isn’t coming from a computer.Tools of progress
My friend in Vancouver BC Canada has a cement mixer plant that looks almost identical to that one. The only obvious difference is it has rubber tires. I believe it was originally powered by a twin cylinder Wisconsin. His plan was to repower it with a Kubota diesel.
Another amazing purchase to add to your steam collection I’m looking forward to see the work you’ll put into this steam shovel it’s so nice to see you bring this history back to life again
Yeah back in the 1960s when I was a kid, we'd ride by 6 guys with one shovel with 5 standing by. It looked strange and dad said that's the county workers.
I had to change the alternator on our 1992 IH fire truck with the DT466 for the same reason. It wouldn't start charging until the RPMs were raised. BTW that is a great engine unfortunately they had to start putting electronics on the later years and ruined them. Thanks for the video Jonathan!
I bet that mixer and shovel will look nice brought back to life. Me and the family were just down in Cameron today. My daughter and son in law live down that way. He is stationed at Fort Bragg. We have a little youtube channel in Asheboro in Randolph Co. Nothing fancy. My brother and I do like to mess around with old tractors, auctions and stuff. I did a video at the Old Threshers Reunion earlier this year in Denton. I believe that's how we found your channel. Been enjoying some videos ever since. God bless.
Nice - I have a strong affection for steam shovels, sadly now an all but extinct species herew in GB. I only know of three - one of which is an Erie B, in full working order at Statfold Barn. A lovely machine, it is amazing how slickly and swiftly that shovel can load spoil and still do a useful job of work.
Another couple pieces of history saved from the scrappy's 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 good save guys from Victoria Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 my mums side of our family was involved with THE LAKE GOLDSMITH STEAM PRESENTATION GROUP HERE IN VICTORIA AUSTRALIA 👍🏼🇦🇺👍🏼🇦🇺
Thank you Johnathan for keep History alive ... I hope you and your Family had a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS.... May 2023 be a Great year for you and your Family. May Heath and Saftey be heaped upon you and yours .
Those old machines made America what it is today even though the politicians are messing up our country today. Those machines need to be saved so I say thank you all.
Geez.. That steam shovel has seen better days! I was confused when you said that you hoped he would restore it and get it working again, because I thought it was just the house that he was buying. But then you went on to show the retrieval of the other main components :) Anyway, both of you saved some really cool pieces of history! :)))
Excellent video Johnathan W :) also great machine to see up running on videos too and so cool too! Also for Alternator get Voltage gauge light flick I have ideas try if rebuilt or buy new one what can do get back battery post connection put small metal thin washers size of 10 cents metal coin with hole in middle of threads slip over on then one on post first in then connector also another washer put bolt on tighten up then put rubber plug on to see how works plus on cold give a squirt of high quality pentriotion fluid on each so won't corrosion on ! Hope try that out give more Volts by .5 and fully Amps too battery to and you be impressed by works it old Farmer trick to I learn long time ago and help save Electrical plus Alternator and Starter plus any additional stuff! See Volt light flick out faster plus Voltage gauge on gauge better too and be amazing on fast Cold weather Starts to!
Oh yes I do recall seeing a few of those old steam shovels with the house built on them. Odd looking like do you live in them things or what? Real neat watching them work.
We have a concrete mixer oh similar design but on tires with a rope start Wisconsin engine. Came from a scrap yard in Cincinnati ohio in like the 1970s and its been here with my family in southern Kentucky ever since.
Diode on your alternator is bad Love your work and hobbies Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱 And a great 2023🎉 ps tomorrow I gone work on mine NCK 304 Dragline
Think this one just spins too slow. I did a Cat to International engine swap and the pulleys were much different. Been low voltage at idle for 8+ years.
Great video! it is Realy Awesome to see the steam shovel and the cement mixer/plant being saved just in time! i just subscribed to your channel and i hit the bell thing too. i Realy look forward to watching your videos. :) :)
i have not seen a mixer like that for along time and the wooden boded steam shovel wow i seen one back in the early 60s keep up the good stuff nice to be reminded
Jonathan we had 41deg C (that's about 106 F) today, news media warning about going outside, hydration, pets etc Best wishes from South Australia PS the Murray River is in flood and our country folk have had to build levees to hold back the floodwaters.
I hope you had an excellent Christmas there Jonathan ! My goodness , but you folks don't balk at anything ! That is some heavy equipment to play around with . I would love to see that all back together & functional ! Looks pretty darned complete too . I love that trailer too . That is one slick operation there . Stay well , see you on the next post !
Some time back (10 years?) I saw a video of the biggest power shovel in the San Francisco Bay Area at work on a big building site. It was a steam shovel.
Why it starts just like an IHC. Everyone should have seen a school bus lot when 25 Detroit 8.2 diesels started at the same time on a zero degree day. They all always started but you couldn’t see them for the white smoke. The “barber chair” would make a nice piece for Nana.
Just as I was about to click on this video, another video, titled "Erie Steam Shovel Rescue" was posted in the menu and ran about a year ago. Knowing this one was posted 2 weeks ago, I had to take a look. It wasn't the same Erie Steam Shovel. But then I had to ask myself, "How many Erie steam shovels can there still be in existence to see two rescue videos on them at the same time? Talk about coincidence...
Couple other items. (1.) I have several pieces of video that I never put up of trying to move sunk in shovels, with their engines running. They just can't climb out of the hole without help. More friction in the drivetrain than in the frictions. Usually dig ramps for the tracks and flag down a passing D8. (2.) It seems people had a habit of taking off the dipper stick to use the machine as a log loader. Then the stick somehow disappears. The machine looks complete otherwise, gears look good, hope to see it running!
My grandpa said those old concrete mixers were widow makers cause when they commenced to making concrete for the highways back then they could not stop shoveling. You worked till you dropped or finished the pour.
I scroll on past this video three times then I check my subscription notifications and realized it was a Jonathan W video now I want to watch it what changed one thing I realized it was put out by my favorite rat rod builder or motorcycle builder or custom car builder or steam engine guy who builds wreckers
Iam looking forward to seeing the steam .shovel working again there are two more steam shovel s that need saving I have seen these on u tube from Jeremy mellor England 🇬🇧 😀
Not only State Workers. But I don't see a "D handled banjo" (ie. shovel) to lean on. As usual, a great show. too bad my dad who was an avid steam guy is no longer here to enjoy your interest.
There was one kinda like this way back in the woods where I grew up. Not really sure what make model but looked a lot alike with wooden cab. Had been there since they homesteaded in the 30's, no way to get it out, the trees had grown so huge. Some new developer took over the homestead 40 acre site in the 2000s and literally flattened every single tree on it. Did not see the steam shovel anywhere when I went there to see the progress, I am sure they just scrapped it, kinda sad.
Enjoyed the video. I am hoping the engine on the concrete mixer is in repairable/running condition. My cousin in 1981 converted it to run of the PTO on a tractor using the 1000 RPM mode, but have the original motor on would be GREAT!!!
When you said you all were just standing around like state workers I laughed, as I have heard that expression all my life. But you guys were thinkin on how the best way to load that monster shovel . Great video.
That mixer should be handy around your place once you get it going !! I'm closing in on 80 (in 3 weeks) and when I was 20, I worked for one of my uncles who was a general contractor. He had one of those mixers sitting in his yard. If memory serves, it was a 2 wheel trailer type unit. I think it may have belonged to his dad (my Grandfather) who also was a contractor. I know they used one of those mixers to build a concrete bridge over the Feather River in Northern California back in the early 1900's when my Dad and his 3 brothers were young men. They hauled all of the cement there from San Francisco on a 1 1/2 ton Model A truck. My Dad said they would load 5 tons of cement on the truck before my Grandfather would agree that it was "loaded". I never heard or saw the mixer run. My Dad, uncles, and the mixer are all long gone. My Dad was born in 1913. He had two older brothers, one younger one and four older sisters. Large Italian family.
That's super cool. As a kid I remember one well, being used to clean up a train derailment mess. I would spend hours there watching it work. After the mess was cleaned up, they left the steam shovel behind. We use to play in it... the steam engines and boilers were still intact. I remember the Erie name on it. It brings back memories. The wood was green and the roof was black. It was there until the early 80's. I have no idea what happened to it. My dad may have taken slides of it, back when it was cleaning up the mess. When I start going threw his slides later in the winter, If I find them, I'll send them to you. Looking forward to more videos on it.
Love your channel! Been a subscriber for a while.
When I was a little kid a Steam Shovel was the highest aspiration a human being could imagine. This takes me back.
👍👌👏 A steam shovel! Now you're talking! The concrete mixer will definitely come in handy for engine foundations you will build in the future. Mixing concrete yourself is way cheaper than the costs of ready-mixed concrete. I bet Nana Catscan will like the mixer too.
Best regards luck and health in particular to all of you.
That is a great save on both your parts. It will be great to see them working again. You only see those steam engines in history books. Nice to see one up close. Good Luck with it.
Good thing he knows a fella that dabbles in vintage looking planks. The cement plant will be interesting to go through too. Have a good one.
I'm *envious* of that tilt trailer and road tractor combo! 😮👍 Nice saves for you both 🔧🔩
I’m a state worker! If you were state workers you all would be holding coffees and complaining about having to work out in the cold . 😂
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To cold for us to be outside..the trucks have great heaters...
I work for a city and it's cold and raining in Utah and we were all complaining about the cold I work at a cemetery
On a observed holiday
I was a state worker also. The only time anyone notices a state worker is when they have a break. When you’re busting you ass they don’t see you. Lol not that that happens often.
Buddy told me about this about a month ago. Going to be quite the undertaking and hopefully he finds the rest of the shovel front for it
We may just have to call it a steam crane. I have plenty of projects and decided to pass this one to Buddy because he had been looking for a while now.
Going to be very interesting to see just how much of this old machine he can actually restore and bring back to life. It will definitely be a labor of love.
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Pretty exciting! Looks like the machinery is complete.
The undercarriage might pull somewhat easier if you disengage the steering "clutches" (sliding gears) by the track sprockets. With them engaged, you are turning 3 shafts with plain bearings and 2 bevel gear sets. Also allows tracks to move independently to steer it. Stiff springs to defeat, forget how that goes together. Also looks sunk in, dig ramps.
There are 3 Erie B's that I get to see frequently, 2 of them getting boiler work. 2 have the bolt on second drum for crane work. I have video of one of them working, set up as a shovel, on my YT title page. Also 4 long videos of a 50-B steam shovel working.
The maintaining of history is critical and beneficial for our children’s children to understand that our existence isn’t coming from a computer.Tools of progress
Nice score, and good job loading. Nobody got hurt and y'all made it home safe.
More scrap saved from the crusher , history is is kept for the future , I admire all the hard work and dedication, well done to all
Great video, can't wait to see these two in action. Really loved seeing that cabover hauling it also.
My friend in Vancouver BC Canada has a cement mixer plant that looks almost identical to that one. The only obvious difference is it has rubber tires. I believe it was originally powered by a twin cylinder Wisconsin. His plan was to repower it with a Kubota diesel.
Great video Jonathan, we can’t wait to see you work your skill on that mixer. Thank you. Happy new year 🎉
That mixer looks awesome can't wait to see you use it and you're right about the cold weather Man this has been bad one all over
AWESOME SCORE!!!! You’re really establishing a fantastic collection of STEAM!!!
That's not his steam shovel, he's got only concrete mixer
@George XD
@George XD XD For sure he has more of them, cause I have zero XD I just said that this steam shovel is not his, just watch the video.
Another amazing purchase to add to your steam collection I’m looking forward to see the work you’ll put into this steam shovel it’s so nice to see you bring this history back to life again
I didn't buy the shovel, it was a friend that bought it.
@@jonathanw4942 Thanks for helping to save another piece of history from the scrappers.
Looking forward to seeing both set up and running!
Hope y'all had a great Christmas and happy new year!
Nice one Jonathan, saving America's industrial history one piece at a time! Happy New Year from Somerset, England,
This was just the ticket to watch while having dinner. It's good to see people saving the old iron.
Very Nice job Guys Saving History what made America 🇺🇸
Nice old machines! Thanks for sharing your adventure!
"Patina"... that's what that steam shovel has! ;-)
Your friend's got his work cut out for him with that shovel!
I really enjoyed watching this and so glad you posted it.
Like seeing a life guard pull someone out of the water.
Such a happy ending!
Yeah back in the 1960s when I was a kid, we'd ride by 6 guys with one shovel with 5 standing by. It looked strange and dad said that's the county workers.
That cement mixer is so cool you could really use that around your place for the new engine's showing up
I was hoping you'd show your Christmas lights also. Cheers 👍✌🎄
I had to change the alternator on our 1992 IH fire truck with the DT466 for the same reason. It wouldn't start charging until the RPMs were raised. BTW that is a great engine unfortunately they had to start putting electronics on the later years and ruined them.
Thanks for the video Jonathan!
I bet that mixer and shovel will look nice brought back to life. Me and the family were just down in Cameron today. My daughter and son in law live down that way. He is stationed at Fort Bragg. We have a little youtube channel in Asheboro in Randolph Co. Nothing fancy. My brother and I do like to mess around with old tractors, auctions and stuff. I did a video at the Old Threshers Reunion earlier this year in Denton. I believe that's how we found your channel. Been enjoying some videos ever since. God bless.
Hi honey, I brought home a huge 1924 steam shovel, what's for dinner! It does not get any better than this! Amazing.
Saving history one piece at a time!! Thanks!
I am looking forward to seeing more of both. Thanks
Saving history, one rusty piece of equipment at a time...
Mornin Jonathan, I hope you and the Family had a wonderful Christmas, Meow to NaNa!!!! Thank You for the Video!!!
Nice - I have a strong affection for steam shovels, sadly now an all but extinct species herew in GB. I only know of three - one of which is an Erie B, in full working order at Statfold Barn. A lovely machine, it is amazing how slickly and swiftly that shovel can load spoil and still do a useful job of work.
Another couple pieces of history saved from the scrappy's 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 good save guys from Victoria Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 my mums side of our family was involved with THE LAKE GOLDSMITH STEAM PRESENTATION GROUP HERE IN VICTORIA AUSTRALIA 👍🏼🇦🇺👍🏼🇦🇺
When I hear that twangy guitar, I know I'm in for some good ol' country style YouToobin.
Happy new year from the uk
Good deal saving old iron that's great can't wait to see both of them back in action ty
Thank you Johnathan for keep History alive ...
I hope you and your Family had a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS....
May 2023 be a Great year for you and your Family. May Heath and Saftey be heaped upon you and yours .
Thank you sir. I'll be sure to watch your next video. Have yourself a happy new year.
Good morning from Minnesota! Currently 9°F.
Those old machines made America what it is today even though the politicians are messing up our country today. Those machines need to be saved so I say thank you all.
just awesome would be a great stop going up the eastern sea board and stopping by for a few days to take it all in.
Ur mates got a sweet looking and sounding International Transtar cabover. Jonothan. Great haul guys.
Awesome stuff Sir Jonathan.
Hope you had a Merry Christmas and All the best for a healthy & happy 2023 ... to you and All!
God Bless
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Every piece that can be saved now, is a piece of history for the future.
its so cool to see you rescue this old steam engines.
Geez.. That steam shovel has seen better days! I was confused when you said that you hoped he would restore it and get it working again, because I thought it was just the house that he was buying. But then you went on to show the retrieval of the other main components :) Anyway, both of you saved some really cool pieces of history! :)))
Good morning Sir! Greetings from Northern Virginia. Enjoy your adventure, and best of luck to ya!
Good save!! Hopefully it gets back to operational sometime in the near future.
Excellent video Johnathan W :) also great machine to see up running on videos too and so cool too! Also for Alternator get Voltage gauge light flick I have ideas try if rebuilt or buy new one what can do get back battery post connection put small metal thin washers size of 10 cents metal coin with hole in middle of threads slip over on then one on post first in then connector also another washer put bolt on tighten up then put rubber plug on to see how works plus on cold give a squirt of high quality pentriotion fluid on each so won't corrosion on ! Hope try that out give more Volts by .5 and fully Amps too battery to and you be impressed by works it old Farmer trick to I learn long time ago and help save Electrical plus Alternator and Starter plus any additional stuff! See Volt light flick out faster plus Voltage gauge on gauge better too and be amazing on fast Cold weather Starts to!
Oh yes I do recall seeing a few of those old steam shovels with the house built on them. Odd looking like do you live in them things or what? Real neat watching them work.
Awesome always cool stuff always thanks 😎
Great save👍
We have a concrete mixer oh similar design but on tires with a rope start Wisconsin engine. Came from a scrap yard in Cincinnati ohio in like the 1970s and its been here with my family in southern Kentucky ever since.
Diode on your alternator is bad
Love your work and hobbies
Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
And a great 2023🎉
ps tomorrow I gone work on mine NCK 304 Dragline
Probably.. it will cause a pulse in alternator output and can leak power drain battery.
Think this one just spins too slow. I did a Cat to International engine swap and the pulleys were much different. Been low voltage at idle for 8+ years.
@@jonathanw4942 Probably
Nice to see you saving another piece of history,Jonathan….
Greetings from the Midwest.
merry christmas and a happy new upcoming year all of you from the u.k
Thanks Jonathan that's a cool mixer hopefully we will see more of it. Central California watching
Great video! it is Realy Awesome to see the steam shovel and the cement mixer/plant being saved just in time! i just subscribed to your channel and i hit the bell thing too. i Realy look forward to watching your videos. :) :)
hi there like both pieces . well done good find john
I wanted to see your Christmas lights too
Happy New Year @
i have not seen a mixer like that for along time and the wooden boded steam shovel wow i seen one back in the early 60s keep up the good stuff nice to be reminded
Jonathan we had 41deg C (that's about 106 F) today, news media warning about going outside, hydration, pets etc Best wishes from South Australia PS the Murray River is in flood and our country folk have had to build levees to hold back the floodwaters.
He's a brave man. Good Luck
I'm realizing 2024 is sneaking up on us quick. A 100 year old Erie in no time! tHanks for the video
Wow, Nice find! Thanks for sharing your adventures
I hope you had an excellent Christmas there Jonathan ! My goodness , but you folks don't balk at anything ! That is some heavy equipment to play around with . I would love to see that all back together & functional ! Looks pretty darned complete too . I love that trailer too . That is one slick operation there . Stay well , see you on the next post !
Merry Christmas thanks for an update
Some time back (10 years?) I saw a video of the biggest power shovel in the San Francisco Bay Area at work on a big building site. It was a steam shovel.
I worked outside in construction for 55 years an loved what I was doing. If you don't like what you are doing for a living do something else
As always a very interesting video,thanks for sharing,stay safe and Happy New Year.!
Nice score! Great looking forest in the background too.
Always like a Jonathan W video!
Why it starts just like an IHC. Everyone should have seen a school bus lot when 25 Detroit 8.2 diesels started at the same time on a zero degree day. They all always started but you couldn’t see them for the white smoke. The “barber chair” would make a nice piece for Nana.
Just as I was about to click on this video, another video, titled "Erie Steam Shovel Rescue" was posted in the menu and ran about a year ago. Knowing this one was posted 2 weeks ago, I had to take a look. It wasn't the same Erie Steam Shovel. But then I had to ask myself, "How many Erie steam shovels can there still be in existence to see two rescue videos on them at the same time?
Talk about coincidence...
Couple other items. (1.) I have several pieces of video that I never put up of trying to move sunk in shovels, with their engines running. They just can't climb out of the hole without help. More friction in the drivetrain than in the frictions. Usually dig ramps for the tracks and flag down a passing D8. (2.) It seems people had a habit of taking off the dipper stick to use the machine as a log loader. Then the stick somehow disappears. The machine looks complete otherwise, gears look good, hope to see it running!
My grandpa said those old concrete mixers were widow makers cause when they commenced to making concrete for the highways back then they could not stop shoveling. You worked till you dropped or finished the pour.
I knew it!!!! Sooner or later you would be bringing home a piece of steam equipment!! YES!!!
All I can say is Awesome !!!!!
I scroll on past this video three times then I check my subscription notifications and realized it was a Jonathan W video now I want to watch it what changed one thing I realized it was put out by my favorite rat rod builder or motorcycle builder or custom car builder or steam engine guy who builds wreckers
Iam looking forward to seeing the steam .shovel working again there are two more steam shovel s that need saving I have seen these on u tube from Jeremy mellor England 🇬🇧 😀
AWESOME!
Kind of fond of the Erie series shovels since Big Brutus is in my area not far away
Good rescue,be so good to see it work one day.
What a cool piece of history I hope to see it alive again
Rusty Rescues did the same thing with an Erie steam shovel about a year ago.
Not only State Workers. But I don't see a "D handled banjo" (ie. shovel) to lean on. As usual, a great show. too bad my dad who was an avid steam guy is no longer here to enjoy your interest.
my man is up before daylight in fucking freezing weather and out on a mission.
i approve.
I was nervous the whole time watching this 😬 l like the way that landoll trailer works 👍
Happy New Year from the U.P of Michigan. Yooper country. D.Hoy
Looks like he will have to get some new boards for the house
Wow thats a heavy beast.
There was one kinda like this way back in the woods where I grew up. Not really sure what make model but looked a lot alike with wooden cab. Had been there since they homesteaded in the 30's, no way to get it out, the trees had grown so huge. Some new developer took over the homestead 40 acre site in the 2000s and literally flattened every single tree on it. Did not see the steam shovel anywhere when I went there to see the progress, I am sure they just scrapped it, kinda sad.
Enjoyed the video. I am hoping the engine on the concrete mixer is in repairable/running condition. My cousin in 1981 converted it to run of the PTO on a tractor using the 1000 RPM mode, but have the original motor on would be GREAT!!!