The Best NBA Game Marc Stein Ever Covered | Bill Simmons’s Book of Basketball 2.0 | The Ringer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2019
- HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by The New York Times' Marc Stein to detail Game 7 of the 2006 playoff series between the Dallas Mavericks and San Antonio Spurs. The two go into detail about how the legacies of both teams changed forever after that game, how this series transformed Dirk's career, and why it's the best game Marc Stein ever covered.
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As a Mavs fan. The Spurs were a dynasty lol
Jeff W as a Spurs fan, thank you lmao
@@NoahVillarreal06 Always a respectful rivalry there.
Definitely a Dynasty Duncan made them a Dynasty
the 2003 mavs are always underrated because dirk got hurt..that was their title in 2003...they had it...dirk missed 3 games in the west finals 2 losses...of a close 6 game series...if hes healthy they win in 6...bank on it.. dirk finley nash exel going off lafrentz walt raja najera bradley griffin ..that team was stacked...
@@razkable
Naah No one was stoping peak Tim Duncan that year, arguably one of the best playoffs runs ever
From Dirk to Luka... Mavs fans rejoice!
Dirk was obviously the MVP of the 2011 team, but I still feel like Kidd and Dirk saved each other's legacy.
Matrix & Chandler too. Terry went nuts that season too.
Terry was a beast
Kidd?? JJ Barera was outplaying Kidd lol
@@maxdurk4624 Kidd led all players in the 2011 Playoffs in Assists, Steals, and Three-Pointers made. He was also crucial on defense, and played a key role in holding LeBron James to under 18ppg in the NBA Finals. Also you can't discount the experience factor of Kidd having carried two teams to the Finals previously as his team's only All Star.
JJ also had a great playoff run, and the Mavs couldn't have won it without his contributions, but there's good reasons why Kidd played more minutes than him, and also why Kidd always played in the clutch minutes.
It's not fair to discount any player from that 2011 Mavs team, as it truly was a whole team effort winning that championship. Even guys like Brendan Haywood and Brian Cardinal might be forgotten today, but they also were instrumental in the Mavs success.
@@imdbtruth Ok, but you have to understand how much easier it is to lead the playoffs in a raw stat when you're the team playing in the Finals. You just have more games to accumulate those stats in. Kidd was probably the 6th best player on Dallas.
Man, Mark Stein sure is eating well these days..Good on ya!
The NYTimes doesn't skimp on cuisine
Yet he has T-Rex arms
It’s kinda odd
I think everyone who's not dumb would consider the Spurs a dynasty, they won 5 championships ... just cause they never won 2 in a row they're not??? what kind of argument is that?
I put Tim Duncan above Kobe as the best player of his generation. My reasoning, Tim could beat you multiple ways. He could play defense, rebound, and completely unselfish.
@@jasonl7937 that's a completely different argument and I still put Kobe above Timmy D
@@diogocosta1305 a little different but the main reason San Antonio was able to win 5 championships and almost 7 was Tim Duncan.
duncan was apart of all 5 same for pop and they are a dynasty they lost to the lakers mavs thunder warriors clippers heat and due to injury to like the 2000 suns a few times and even this year went 7 with denver...come on now...the grizzlies loss is the only time they really lost to a worse team imo when healthy ...a 1 seed losing to a 8th seed..yeah they were clearly the better team they just choked...
@@razkable Dude I remember that Grizzlies and Spurs first round upset. Ginobili was playing MVP level that season so Spurs wasnt optimum then. However, that loss helped Duncan realize that he need to change his style (he slimmed down to prolong his health).
I’m still salty about 2006 finals hurts less with 2011 championship tho
Like Spurs trouncing Miami in 2014 after 2013's heartbreak
I bet on the 06 Finals. Took the Heat. When the Mavs went up 2-0 i was like well it certainly isn't over. Too many NBA fans these days think a series is over after 1-2 games. It is preposterous. A long list of teams have been down 0-2 and came back to win a series. Hell look at the Warriors in 2016, down 3-1 and they come back and win. Then up 3-1 and the Cavs come back and win.
Also Dwade's coming out party in that Finals was a thing of beauty to watch. That man literally took over that entire series. Complete domination from games 3-6. Gotta give that brother respect.
In all honesty tho the Mavs probably should have won. I thought they were the better team. I took the Heat to make it interesting because i didn't care who won. But Miami won game 3 by a bucket. Then won game 5 by 1 point and game 6 by 3 points. Games 1, 2, and 4 were blowouts. Still tho, Wade's performance was one of the all time greats. Simmons annoys me because he repeatedly cannot give teams/players credit. The Heat and Wade had nothing to do with the Mavs losing that Finals, instead it was the refs who cost em the series. Puhleeze.
@@roboninja3194 I mean it was an alltime performance by the refs. Wade is a great player, but the refs gave them that series in some of the most blatant onesided officiating you'll ever see
i mean as mark said they almost blew in in 6 vs the spurs so...sports are a fine line
@@roboninja3194 Wade shot as many FTs as the entire Mavs roster in Game 5 and 21 more than the whole team in Game 6. Stop lying to yourself
This game was what really got me into the NBA. Still remember Ginobili fouling Dirk lol
Marc is plain awesome. Love hearing his insider stories!
I miss the old Simmons-Bucher-Stein 3 man pods on the state of the nba back in the day
06 Spurs vs 06 Heat would have been great. I feel like Shaq didn’t have enough to stop the Spurs and Wade would have had to go through hell. Duncan’s foot finally healed and was incredible that playoffs.
I think 2005 prime shaq led heat vs spurs was what we all wanted....2006 would of been cool too..i think if amare is healthy the 2006 suns make the finals though...they were amazing without him...the next year too they were great until the refs blew it...although the 2006 heat would of beat the spurs imo...they beat the mavs and the mavs beat the spurs so ..who knows..i mean duncan vs wade give me wade parker vs shaq give me shaq walker vs manu give me manu but then like williams vs finley give me williams posey over bowen easy horry vs zo give me zo barely barry vs haslem give me haslem exel vs payton give me payton ...I guess nazr was on that spurs team too but he barley played in non garbage time or vs weaker teams come playoff time like shandon for miami which is a wash then you had rasho oberto and udrih vs doleac andersen kapono as a wash..so yeah miami would have so many advantages individually...they would win imo...manu was their only advantage slightly over walker
Mavs would've swept the Heat if not by Stern and his agenda
Darius Pamellon I hate that part about the NBA, instead of letting natural storylines develop David Stern began openly talking about what is best for the league ratings wise. Heaven forbid basketball fans watch the Finals for the hoops. The 2001 Bucks are also victims of that.
@@dariuspamellon4896 i love how you say that as if dirk did not choke at the ft line twice in that series ..make your fts you win the title..pretty simple...if you watch a lot of close series fts are the difference same for kings lakers in game 4 and 7 2002...kings missed too many fts to win that series..mavs blew it in game 3 and 5 in 2006 at the ft line of 1 possession losses and sorta in game 6 too but less so
@@stevenkunzer9027 the 2001 bucks take la 7 games....that bucks team was loaded
That 06 Finals still pisses me off. Dirk should have 2 rings easily
Kelton Wiggins fr 🤦🏾♂️
The refs gave a ring to the overrated D. Wade
@@shawnmoney8055 how on earth was DWade overrated people just say anything these days
meh. d wade outplayed him. handily.
@@domclegg1225 Indeed, his ability to lead those refs and draw phantom fouls was truly a performance for the ages
Buffalo Braves hat is fire
That game was a classic I remember it like was yesterday dirk balled out and whoever won that series was going to the nba finals
Lol went straight to watch highlights of the game before watching this to get a better understanding of this video
That 06' Mavs team was so anemic. Shoutout Dirk.
DHD95 when you look back Dirk was really carrying some bad players. That 2011 team got it right
@@jeffw3905 I love that team, but if you compare that team's talent sans Dirk to Championship teams before and after? Still inferior. He carried many hollow teams to prominence.
@@jeffw3905 um 2006 dallas was stacked...harris howard terry stackhouse dirk dampier daniels diop horn griffin armstrong mbenga powell ....great team
I'm a MFFL (Mavs Fan For Life) since '88, and I remember game 7 of the '06 WCF very well. When Dirk hit that layup & the and 1, man! And then they stopped San Antonio on their last possesion in regulation. Dirk blocking Duncan on the put back attempt. I mean, just that game going to OT, it just felt like "Holy Cow!" You gotta be kidding me!! The Mavs can actually do this!!! I mean, when they won, it was just like you already put the rings on their fingers, ya know? Maybe, the Mavs subconsciously felt that way too. But, I just remember Dirk making that layup & getting the And 1 on Ginobili. It's like watching that year after year, from 01 to 05, always your prayers are never answered... and then... God smiles on you!!! What a feeling!!!
That was actually the conference semifinal series
As a spurs fan the best series to me is spurs vs pistons of that era. I still havent watched game 7 of spurs mavs in 06 and I'm still tight 🤬🤬🤬
That's Marc Stein? I think I remember him being much skinnier.
Dirk driving and being more aggressive was one of the things that made that 2011 championship happen.
He said add up the stats and if it is 42+, that means someone’s done something great in the playoffs... LeBron has a ton of stat lines in the 60s & maybe a couple in the 70s.
Wait, how are the spurs not a dynasty🤨
people forget duncan being hurt in 2000, the fisher shot in 04 the manu foul in 2006 the allen shot in 2013 the kawhi injury the parker injury as well in 2017 and the cp3 shot in 2015....the spurs could of won 5-6 more titles if luck went their way those seasons...obviously it didn't but still...this franchise legit had a chance to win 11 titles and while 5 is disappointing they got 5 and thats more than anyone else out west has ever done outside of the lakers who won only 11 in la...the warriors won one in the east..
Isn't winning 5/6 ships considered a dynastic team though?
They're a dynasty. Duncan just has the charisma of a wooden fence so the media doesn't constantly cover them.
@@MrMathsimon they're a dynasty this guy is a dumbass for saying that
Bill hilarious it was there he got a whole column from me so yeah
Was this game better than Knicks Bulls game 5 ECF 1993 ?
Dirk proved that all rings aren't created equal. His 1 ring means more than kds 2 and lebrons 1st 2 with Miami. Sometimes its better to tough it out with 1 team cause when you win it means that much more than if you leave and join other stars
I'm not nearly as bitter now as I was in the summer of 06' reflecting about that series. Looking back at it, and like Marc, for me it's the best playoffs series I've ever witnessed. Just too bad the good guys had to lose it.
It's funny how much I hated Cuban, Dirk and the Mavs back then (I still hate Jason Terry though, what an asshole) but we've had a hell of a rivalry. I was even happy for them when they finally won their ring.
Worst thing is, I'm in love with Luka now, he's my new favorite player in the league and aside from spurs, I only watch highlights of the mavs games.
P.S: TD played that legendary series with Plantar Fasciitis and he was a monster as he's always been in the PO. He run completely out of gas in the OT of G7 after a monumental effort, carrying the team on his back for what should've been a comeback for the ages.
Karim Lazaar As a Spurs fan it’s bittersweet watching Luka in Dallas...Wish he was here in SA, especially with the way the Spurs are looking rn. Dallas is in good hands for the next decade.
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Unfortunately the Spurs are done for the foreseeable future. The FO has been awful for a very long time now, the bad decisions have piled up and the end result is mediocrity at its finest.
We need to reset the start button in order to build something to look forward to, but they won't do it. They will ride or die with the old man on the bench.
Let's be honest they got robed in 06. Just watch the play in the 5th game where Wade pushed Terry to ground sideline half court. And the splits 2 gets a wide open shot misses and gets a foul call when they were down one. That was basically the whole series in one play. He shot more FT than the entire Mavs team combined.
if dirk hits one of two missed fts in game 3 late up 13 or stackhouse didn't get suspended in game 4 for game 5 like an idiot down huge pushing shaq for no reason the mavs win the series or push it 7 at least... so thats their fault..not the refs fault...the mavs were too stupid to win it all..they made too many mental errors late....they lost focus on d wade late in games and he burned them...it hurt they didn't have a defensive stopper or rim protector really...griffin and diop were not that really at that time and the mavs 8 best guys on offense were not good defenders which meat limited time they could use diop an griffin on the court anyways late in games sacrificing offense..games 3 5 and 6 were 2 point games last minute ..mavs choked all of them away ...thats on them
@@razkable those are some good points and they played a part on it also they whole A.Johnson switching hotels didn't help either. But you at least have to admit that the refs where a huge part in the Heat comeback in game 3 and they don't win with out that call on Wade in game 5. Maybe the Mavs collapsed late in games but the refs kept the Heat close in those games which caused it. Every time the Mavs had a run they got calls to stop them.
From game 4 on, this series was fixed. Everyone knows it.
@@razkable lmao just no
Say what you will about Cuban and his off the wall behavior but he loves that team more than I think any owner in the league.
Yo mark its called the block not the box
Reppin the Buffalo Braves!! Dope
#2 😎
Mark eating well.
I swear by thumbnail I thought Marc Stein is a different person. Gotta start eating healthy, man
its all the biased 2006 garbage that comes out of his mouth...the het won fair and square..get over it bums
Asmosis Jones pretty sure he knows more basketball than you. Fair and square? Do you know how many times wade shot free throws in that mavs heat series? 97 times. Let that sink in
@@razkable lmao no, just no. Even my Heat fan friends agree that Wade got all the fouls
Those teams played great under Avery Johnson and he outcoached Popovich in 2006. Dirk finally got over his playoffs woes when Avery Johnson was gone but that Mavericks Championship got Avery Johnson's footprints written all over it.
avery lost in 2007 in round 1 as a 67 win 1 seed ...how...
@@razkable Did you watch it? How do you think that team won 67 games to begin with. Dirk let that Golden State crowd get inside his head. Dallas slowly fell off defensively after Avery Johnson. Carlisle was fortunate he had Tyson Chandler to erase defensive mistakes. Avery Johnson didn't have that and a Dirk that was able to learn from his playoff woes.
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To me a dynasty is 3 in 4 years but they get a pass cause they did get 3 in 5 and if another team does that I'll consider them a dynasty too.
Interesting how nowadays Dirk w/o the green light from Nell and if Avery would've said you're a D liability and just a three point shooter and Cuban just thought he was a great white hype experiment. He could've been out of the league like a lot of guys
They may have been a dynasty if they won a second one but they did t get close
Idk about dynasty but legendary team Dallas had got nothing but love for em Dirk Devin Harris stack and Josh Howard were fire Dirk nash Finley Jamison was filthy Kidd jet peja matrix all star caron butler Dirk and dpoy tyson Chandler very good team but everyone left and got old fast after they won
A dynasty is now defined by winning b2b titles? That is absurd. 2 rings is not a dynasty. 5 or more is. There have been 4 dynasties in NBA history. The Celtics in the 60s, the Lakers in the 80s, the Bulls in the 90s, and the Spurs from 03 to 2014. All 4 won at least 5 titles in a decades time.
2000 -2010 Kobe lakers ??
From 03-09 they won 3. They were a dynasty
Lebron, get your ass on that block.
0:46 holy shit what a travel. Even LeBron would’ve been called for it
If it wasn't for the NBA screwing the Mavs they would have won at least 3 tittles. But it did make 2011 that much sweeter. BTW 2006 team wasn't even that good of a team, but they played good defense.
The dynasty comment by marc has to be one of the dumbest things I ever heard
Same. If the Spurs weren't a dynasty then no team is. Guy should lose his job for that comment
lul
Epic win over the Spurs only to get taken down by Davis Stern and the barrage of whistles in the finals.
yes because the nba would rather hvae small market miami then big market dallas win..you make no sense..dirk choked at the ft line in games 3 and 5 late.thats why they lost..blame him ...in 2003 dirk got hurt in 2004 with a stacked roster he choked again....in 2007 he choked as a 67-10 team after a 0-4 start and rested their team to end the season so that last loss was not real either..they were basically a 70 win team in 2007..how he choke to a 40 loss team and why he only won 4 playoff series this decade?...and 5 since 2007 started?
So them not winning two in a row is such a big indicator of a dynasty that its more important than winning 5 championships and going to 6 finals in 20 years without missing the playoffs once? Lmao who would rather repeat than win 5? Would anyone consider the heat more of a dynasty than the Spurs because they won two in a row? Hell no the hell kind of logic is that lmao. I bet Lebron would trade those two back to backs for 5 rings lol. The Spurs were always one of if not the best team in the league and constant contenders for 2 decades. They are literally what you would strive to be when trying to create a long last dynasty, they’re more of a true dynasty than these teams that get together for a ring or 2 and split up.
Mavs vs heats. 2006. Wade shot 97 fking free throws in that series. Let that sink in
If the Spurs weren't a dynasty neither were the 80s Celtics.
The Spurs are a definite dynasty just with gasps for air. It wasnt a tyrannical fuled by fear and power dynasty. It was a peaceful dynasty. A break from tyrants that we enjoyed as resting eras between turbulent times.
When you pause to assess r Spurs a dynasty thats the dynasty they are. A dynasty with that pause, with pauses, breath held dynasty. Wait dynasty. R they hsst hmm 🤔 a dynasty yes they r a hsst hmm 🤔 dynasty...
If the Spurs win two in a row they don't win 3 in a row
The Spurs didn't have that level of dominance in their DNA. They had element of surprise and steady consistency in their DNA but they didnt have Jordan Russell Auerbach Jackson DNA. Nor Bird and Magic and Kareem and Chief DNA. They had Duncan DNA. Not SHAQ Kobe DNA. They had Popovich DNA.
Dirk might only have one title but he was a better PF than Tim Duncan. Duncan's great but he benefited from the Spurs system and having one of the top 3 coaches in NBA history
Not remotely
Pop ain't winning without Duncan. Look at him now can't even make the playoffs!
Marc stein again. Zzz you can just tell hes smoked 1500 too many cigarettes
Marc steins arms are pathetic
Immediately disliking after the very first, idiotic sentence.
Just to be clear. The guy isn’t saying he or Simmons don’t think SA were a dynasty he said people who have the same job. Both of them agree Spurs were a dynasty
Dwade destroyed the mavs
There are only two dynasties in NBA history: Lakers and Celtics. A dynasty is a multi generation thing. Not a one man (MJ Bulls, Dream Rockets) or single decade (Heat, Warriors) run of rings. End of this debate.
LOL! So the Bulls winning 6 titles in 8 years WASN'T a dynasty!? PLEASE STFU!!
Did these two conveniently forget that Tim Duncan’s plantar fascia was severely injured?
Here’s the truth. There was no point in watching that series because Dallas was not the better team and was in the running only because Tim Duncan was hurt.
We overrate Dirk Nowitzki he never avg 10 rebounds or 1.6 blocks in his career Kevin Garnett is it better 4
BC he never averaged 10 rebounds KG is better? Lmao. Dirk owned KG almost every time they played against each other. KG never took the Timbervolves anywhere near to the finals, needed 2 All-Stars in their prime to do so. Dirk did it twice, with mediocre teams with good role players. By the way: he had 7,5 rebounds for his career, which is petty decent for a guy being known for his scoring first..
scotti pippen Kevin Garnett is a much better defender and it’s not even a question and his offense of ability in the inside interior is no joke but ok
@@Tmoney10434 KG was the better defender and rebounder but dirk was an one man army who could lead his team to a championship. KG was not even close to that. But I he certainly is a top 5 PF while Dirk is top 2
@@papi7260 May i ask: Who is in your Top 5? Mine: 1. Timmy, 2. Dirk, 3. Karl, 4. Sir Charles, 5. KG..
Dirk swept KG in the playoffs, averaging 30 and 15 against him...