What Aquinas Said about ANDREW TATE w/ Isabel Brown
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Isabel Brown, Conservative Commentator, and Matt Fradd talk about the red-pill movement. What does effeminate mean? How does effeminacy affect men?
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It’s time we introduce the Christ pill.
The Christ pill doesn’t work.
The christ pill teaches men that you should stay single and lonely even if you dont want to.
@@Ulfrich_Stormcock the RP is so much more than just body count. Ideally yes both should be virgins but young women are often not with body counts up into the mid triple digits.
The RP also is avoiding marriage because it’s the unconscionable contract.
The statistics of finding a good wife, divorce numbers and female nature aka hypergamy.
Asset protection or finding the best states or countries that are friendly towards fathers.
Also staying fit and being competent men.
@@JerryDavis-jb1ht I’m still single at 26. I had opportunities to lose my virginity but didnt take them. Idk if I will ever get married so I dont see the point in waiting for marriage when women are absolutely not doing that. I gave up on the idea of my future wife even being a real person waiting and praying for me to fix whatever I need to fix (pron addiction due to loneliness). I dont want to date and marry someone im not attracted to nor someone who didn’t save herself for marriage. Idk why god would will that for me if he is calling me to get married. I have no interest or inclinations to the priesthood or religious life or staying celibate, but I feel skeptical about marriage and see it as settling for less and also being a death trap for men
The christ pill is designed to keep men single and sexless or lower their standards for women when they should not have to.
My biggest issue with the red pill movement is that it idolizes the "wolf." Teaches to take advantage of the "sheep." What we need is a "shepherd, " not a "wolf." Lest it be tamed...
My favourite thing about the red pill movement is the way they like to portray themselves as these alpha men who don't follow anyone, meanwhile they are just being sheep all following each other. There's a line from a song that keeps going round in my head when I think about it:
"you admire the lions, you despise all the sheep, but following lions, makes nothing but sheep." - Rome, Die Brandstifter
@@missveronica8393 They're hypocrites. They think two wrongs make a right. It doesn't.
Tate is a predator...
But he is about as representative of MGTOW and redpill as Joel Olsteen and Benny Hinn are of Christianity.
Sure he has a bunch of people following is teachings but as you have observed, they are as much sheep as people who believe women are the purpose for men's existence. A vast majority of the rest of us think tate has some correct observations but his solutions and execution is deplorable.
It's the worldly ways, of the fallen world. Seeking power and domination is the wound of the original sin, particularly in men. Women's wound is to be too submissive in that seeing the man in place of God.
The Christian way is the one with power a d authority is the first one to serve. The first one to protect and care. That's what they don't understand. The world uses power to exploit and to have others serve, instead of be the first one to serve.
@@joane24 Always putting others first left me broke, and angry (still am) always putting others first makes you a mark and you will been seen as a fool and sucker...
Andrew Tate is the Incarnation of a Bankrupt Casino - Thomas Aquinas
huh? that thomas guy is still alive?
“Effeminacy is defined by St Thomas Aquinas as a vice that is opposite of perseverance. Effeminacy is when someone is “ready to forsake a good on account of difficulties which he cannot endure.”
So, he was admitting vvomen have no perseverance and just do whatever is convenient?
Very accurate.
All I’m saying is that having a six pack doesn’t give you a back bone
You’re totally correct. The back and abs must be trained together as the entire core to prevent imbalances 👍
You forgot, got to be 6' 8" a millionaire, but, not a millionaire from something boring, has to be fun and cool!
Also, a big social circle and family!
You need it all!
Then, 32 year old fatso single mom might be interested, maybe.
@@oneman3587The wrong type though
@@bernadettesolomons1870 no, any of them, though!
No it just means you take care of your body and have discipline which often will carry over to other parts of your life and make it easier to be a good Catholic and live in a state of grace
The Red Pill movement is easy to ridicule. It is rife with men pretending to embody the most shallow traits commonly associated with masculinity, but the reality is that most of the influencers in this movement are just con artists, feeding off the insecurities of the youth. The deeper question that we should be asking is what is driving so many young men to seek the advice of men like Andrew Tate, Rollo Tomassi and other Red Pill figures? What is lacking in young men and teenage boys that they would idolize transparent hucksters? Ultimately, these peddlers of the Red Pill ideology are not the problem. Their popularity is a symptom of a widespread malady afflicting our young men and teenage boys. It is the dearth of masculine role models in our communities and in our homes that lead young men down this destructive path.
You mean death, right?
The Red Pill movement is rife with misogyny, but it’s also anti-male as it presents masculinity as some horrible, cowardly and paranoid imitation of the real thing. It destroys male-female relationships (both romantic and platonic) in the process.
How much red pill content have you reviewed and discussed to form this opinion you hold?
@@TXAslingr Its hard to quantify, but I have watched multiple hours of content from Andrew Tate, Rollo Tomassi, the late Kevin Samuels as well from the Fresh and Fit podcast and the Whatever podcast. If you think this is inadequate, how many hours and from what source should I be watching to actually formulate a well informed opinion on the movement.
@@josiahmodaff6406 No I mean "dearth" as in a scarcity.
I was into the red pill movement early before it got the attention it has now and before I came to Christ. Her synopsis of the movement is true for some parts of it but definitely not all. It’s just like many other movements where the loudest often get the most attention. The reason it exists is because no one listens to or validates mens issues , so they banded together and started talking about it.
Even though there are *MANY* bad actors with many bad takes, a lot of them are more reasonable and have decent points. Men have been trying to call out for help for some time but people haven’t been listening, so they all banded together for support and validation.
JPII defined the feminine genius as receptivity, sensitivity, generosity, and maternity.
One of my favorite movies of all time is The Next Three Days, with Russel Crowe and Elizabeth Banks. Best romance movie of all time. The husband sacrifices everything he has to get his wife wrongfully accused of murder out of jail. And he wasn't a super hero, or a police officer, or a special agent. He was just a dude. A professor. That's manly.
I understand why people go with the red pill thing, I almost fell for it, but we need to be Christ pilled. That being said, I’ve given up on finding a woman because there are no good single women out there anymore.
Congrats. You're now MGTOW, a subset of the Red Pill. I know that this is crazy sounding, but it's possible to be both.
@@wanderingthedesert5599 no no no…MGTOW is blaming women for there not being good women out there. I should elaborate that there are no good single women for me out there because I’m too old and no one could ever possibly want me. At least that’s how it’s been with my track record. But I’m not saying that ALL men need to give up, but when you’re in your 30’s like me you’re not gonna find anyone, that’s a fact. So I have no choice but to be single the rest of my life. Or I just become a priest
@@Mashfan6507 At 30, you're not too old. Two good friends of mine both got married in their mid-30s to women who in their mid-20s, so it isn't impossible. What you're concerned with is likelihood / probability. I can't remember exactly, but I want to say that when a man hits about 35 or so, he gradually begins to desire a companion and / or family less.
I guess it all comes down to this: Who are you and What do you want?
@@wanderingthedesert5599 well, I wish that were true but my track record says otherwise. I tried dipping my toes back in the dating pool and it was a disaster. It really showed me that I’m not good enough for any woman. Well, idk how they did that, but clearly they’re much better men than I am. For many years I bought into the lies of the world and didn’t bother looking for a truly good woman and was very negative about kids. Now I’m 33 and I regret how much time I wasted.
I don’t know who I am, I just wish I was a different person tbh. People seem to like me and say I’m a great guy but I can’t see it, especially because I haven’t found a woman at all. I’m trying to do things to improve myself and get better hobbies, but I feel that’s a moot point too. I want a good, Catholic woman who shares my values and who I can be pleasing in the eyes of God with. Someone who we can build each other up and worship the Lord together with our family. But she’s not out there. There are no single women at my church, very few in the groups I’m in. All the women I know are taken or too old/young for me. I have so many blessings in my life but for some reason this keeps bothering me to no end. I pray about and ask God for help, but still, nothing works
@@Mashfan6507what!! You are the perfect age to get married. You are delusional. You are not “old” you are ready to start building your life.
"Strength on behalf of others is the masculine genius." Couldn't have been more beautifully said!
Thank you. I may never meet you and you might never read this but your insights and interviews have gone a long way toward helping me consider converting to Catholicism. I am a remarried father of five, with 2 daughters and 3 step-children. I have taken a measured approach and visited and participated in several different denominations and I am back to attending cathedral. Thank you again.
If you want to have a real conversation about this, I would be happy to join you.
I'm sure you can email them or DM them
Don't hold your breath, though I do appreciate the sentiment.
@patrickvandapool I'm so glad that someone in the Catholic-sphere gets it. The Everyman Eddie who is largely getting screwed by the court systems and culture at large are the exact people who should be reached out and ministered to, but instead all of the trad-cons think that casually ignoring and dismissing legitimate concerns, all the while shaming men while telling them to effectively join a suicide pact is the way to go.
These people are going to be in a world of trouble should the Eddies rise up and begin to seize power.
@patrickvandapool What about red pill content do you believe is "pretty spot on and true" LOL. Tell us since you know how the world works. I can tell you already you have made several fundamental mistakes, clearly uneducated in philosophy so clearly you don't know how the world works either.
@patrickvandapoolThis
Effeminacy: An unwillingness to put aside one’s pleasure in order to pursue what is difficult.
Their assessment is correct. Their solution is not. Her flippancy pretty much validates their stance.
On the red pill stuff, I totally do not like them or stand by their ideas on a lot, but the issues they point out on a whole exist. For example, the idea of family court favouring women, who mostly initiates divorce, is true. I just hope we can address the problems they bring up. Calling them out without solving the issues, for me, isn't enough. Until we give solutions, a LOT of young men will continue to listen to them.
What critics often forget is that criticizing the movement without providing an alternative and working for justice is not particularly helpful and it won't engender you to the audience that you feel is being damaged by redpill grifters.
In doing this you actually reinforce the redpill audience. Showing once again that society simps for modern feminism and proving that young men are disposable in the eyes of society.
Continuing down this primrose path may lead to unexpected consequences in the long run. Disaffected young men with no purpose are a volatile substance.
The irony is that almost all the divorces would not happen if both women and men grew in virtue instead of men idolising themselves like the red-pill movement suggests they should. The tater tots of the world are their own worst enemy.
Your wrong, it making men aware how unfair marriage laws are unfair to men
In latin, "molitia", (softness) is associated phonetically with "mulier" (woman), hence the translation.
Ok, so when we see the word "effeminate" in the Bible, it refers to the passive participant in gay sex, so effeminate is a perfectly fine word to use when describing "red-pill" guys.
Why? Because the ones most receptive to it are getting screwed by modern hyper feminist society?
if you need a movement or pill or need to talk about it then your most likely not the man you think you are
A lovely bit of common sense, Shame their isn’t more people in the world who follow logic.
(speaking to the redpill receptive audience) Shut up and suffer in silence! You are not people anyway.
To paraphrase Jason Aldean:
Try that in a feminist town
Disconcerting that they begin talking about "red pilled" men or Tate"rs", that are in actuality very unmasculine men and Matt takes it off into a lecture on porn and destroyed the point. Unfortunate. While Matt's insight into porn has validity, it was not on topic at all and derailed he conversation.
When all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail.
I appreciate Matt bringing up this topic but unfortunately the discussion didn't address the substance of the "red pill movement." I certainly don't defend men like Andrew Tate, but there are voices within the broader "red pill/MGTOW" movement that do have substantive criticisms of the way contemporary liberal/secular society treats men. I'm thinking of channels like Better Bachelor, Taylor the Fiend, and Alexander Grace. These channels point out that modern women tend to vastly overestimate their "market value" and reject most men in favor of pursuing "Chad." They spend their prime years chasing Chad and ignoring most decent men who are interested in them. Women also initiate divorce at much higher rates than men, and many men have had their lives shattered by their wives leaving them for frivolous reasons. What often happens is that these women often become bitter because they realize that men don't desire them in their mid to late thirties the way that they once did. Some of these "red pill/MGTOW" voices advise men to avoid marriage for this reason. Isabel briefly mentioned this at the beginning of the clip, but the discussion didn't go any further. I disagree with these men's conclusions, but I don't deny the validity of their observations about how feminism has utterly wrecked modern Western society. There are good women's voices like Courtney Ryan and Patience Xina that have also pointed out these problems while also being able to criticize modern men for their own shortcomings in a constructive manner. They would make good future guests on Pints With Aquinas.
To sinfully put it as I believe we are talking about sinful ideology I think the logic of men should keep “going through” or sleeping with for a while then leaving many different women with a body count of 0 is the old trope of “new 18 years olds come out each year”
Some of them might even want it lowered. Bastards...
Where is the full episode of this?
This was not very deep. Why would you have this conversation with anyone other than a divorced man? Reach out to Better Bachelor, or Gregory of The Optimized Male and 5-Minute Catholic.
Matt, you are less scornful to, well, everyone else. You have no idea what you are talking about. The harsh reality is the red pill is not taken orally or voluntarily. Not in no-fault divorce states. You clearly don’t know the statistics, of which I am one. Better Bachelor kept me alive through my divorce, helped me realize my divorce was not the exception but the rule. If I only listened to you I might not have survived. You are being extremely judgmental, and I think it’s because you can’t bear the thought of your wife leaving you, and I understand. I used to always think it must be the man’s fault.
I pray you never go through this.
They are criticising an attitude that is so nihilistic and cynical against the very concept of holy matrimony that it is actively encouraged to avoid God's command to marry and be fruitful, instead pursuing singleness, idolatry of self, and in some cases, casual womanising in the name of an 'alpha male' mentality. You've managed to project this as a personal critique of you as a victim of no-fault divorce (a very real problem discussed on this channel)
I’m not projecting anything. I’m in a population of men dismissed by Christendom, and in spite of that I’m a new Catholic because my faith has only grown. No, red-pilled men are being painted with a broad brush. This is not a movement because it has no leader. Andrew Tate is not one. He made is fortune in porn. There were no exceptions in this talk, and the men discussed were scorned and their masculinity questioned.
Point out the discussion with a man about what a real woman is. You and I both know such a discussion would get you demonetized on TH-cam. Women are free to say what a real man is, but show me where the converse happens. Point out the discussion of statistics on the rate of divorce started by women, the higher rate by college-educated women, the still higher rate by those who make more money than their husbands. But who cares. Men should get married anyway.
Come on, Matt. Interview Sean “Joker” from Better Bachelor, or our Catholic brother Gregory from the channels I named. Not everyone who says stay single (like Saint Paul) advocates promiscuity.
And to the lady in the interview, would you like a more pleasant term for body count? I say call it what it is. It’s ugly, and it needs an ugly name.
I wasn't sure if I should dignify that reply with a response. I did, but I guess it didn't go through. I'll take that as a sign and simply add a few thoughts.
Isabel, what would you prefer over the term "body count?" Something less crass, or more physically accurate? A specific body part count could fit the bill, but is probably less polite. Is that what you would prefer? And by the way, the math works out because promiscuous women are more than happy to share a "one percent man." I'll tell you this. I'm raising to sons who value their purity, and they deserve a wife who did the same and will have the strength of character to go their own way if such a woman does not come their way. Real men don't simp and settle for less. I'd have been better off if I didn't settle and think I could save her from her past.
You married men watching this thinking this could never happen to you, I was one of you. No matter what you do, no matter how hard you work and pray, no matter how good you are, it's just not up to you. The hard truth is "marriage contract" is an oxymoron. This divorce decree and parenting plan are far more binding than marriage. In the mean time, please stop treating us like lepers. We are not contagious, and we don't hate your marriages. We do pray this won't happen to you.
Please, Matt. Drop the scorn and mocking. You have had women on to discuss feminism, so bring men on to discuss this. A lot of these men are Christian and lament that they can't have a Christian marriage. Many of your videos helped me in my conversion and confirmation on Easter last year, but this sneering disdain is downright painful from you. I'm not projecting anything. Not everything is due to porn, and you are not calling for anyone to change but men. Men are statistically far less likely to cheat, and endure a pain far worse than childbirth. Women will never wonder if the child they love is really theirs after an affair enters the scene, even if it's only guessed at. But man up and get married anyway. Jump out of that plane with worse than even odds your parachute will open. This is foolishness, not wisdom.
So where is the church with solutions? Why isn't the church bombarding state legislatures to end no-fault divorce for a start? Why can't you get married in the church without the state's permission? Don't tell me we have to respect the law. We disobey ungodly laws. We regularly preach the gospel where doing so will get you killed, and accepting Christ could get your family killed. The church could just as easily say if you want to get married here you are going to do it on faith, forget the tax benefits in marriage as well as the protection of the state in divorce. Prove you are serious about it and then you can receive the sacrament of marriage. Just spit-balling here, but where are your solutions, Matt? Bring some men on to discuss this. Casual Bachelor is another good choice. From some things he's said, I'm pretty sure he's Catholic, but I'm very sure he's Christian.
Not every red-pilled man is a Lothario. Most of us are just on strike. Not that it matters much in my case since I'm a single dad of two young sons at age 56, divorced for five years after a twenty-two year marriage. Or should I "man up" and find some single mom who walked out on her husband just to prove I'm a real man?
You're a good man, Matt. I hope you'll dig deeper, and I mean it when I say I pray for your marriage. I may be divorced, but I have always tried to live in Christ's righteousness, so I hope my prayers mean something.
@@stephenholland3801 I'm not sure why you're responding to me as if I'm Matt, but briefly, two key points here that get to the crux of the matter:
_"You married men watching this thinking this could never happen to you, I was one of you."_
No one thinks that.
_"In the mean time, please stop treating us like lepers. We are not contagious"_
No one's treating you like this. You've taken a criticism of, frankly, a completely different topic and managed to make yourself the victim of it.
God bless and sustain you.
This has happened to too many good Catholic men I personally know. It is a damn shame that we would rather dismiss their valid concerns and legitimate warnings than upset our modernist sensibilities.
I am glad you made it through and I appreciate your comment here. Keep up the fight and continue to raise your sons with a better understanding of reality than the one presented through rose colored glasses as peddled by too many of our fellow Catholic talking heads.
What you are discussing is not Red Pilling but MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way). Red Pilled is a lot more general in meaning, referring often to being enlightened to the lies and skeptical of anything you hear from the "establishment".
That is the "etymological" origin of the word but the red pill movement is much more specific and their description fits it
Maybe at first, but it's been taken over by MGTOW. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be married. But don't go your "own way." Go God's way. ☝️
Yes, this is the first I have heard this term used for the Andrew Tates of this world - they've obviously co-opted it ... they couldn't come up with anything original 😄
They’ve become synonymous.
That’s more of the descendants of the PUA quadrant of those spheres. There are more MGTOW than not that actually promote celibacy. This is how convoluted these terms have become. The “Manosphere” is a mass amalgamation of ideas. Some are very much rooted in scripture…you’d be surprised at the amount of MGTOW who are either Christian, Muslim, etc. people need to look beneath the surface of these groups to understand they have legitimate grievances, and are in a lot of pain; it certainly doesn’t help when they become further ostracized by videos like this picking at the low hanging fruit. It makes more men see they are still not being listened to. I used to identify as mgtow, and though I still agree with their core principles(which are entirely compatible if not born out of Christian ones), there are a ton of grifters that have infiltrated the movement…the type of men being discussed here. BTW, Andrew Tate certainly doesn’t fall under the MGTOW category.
At what point did “red-pill” become synonymous with MGTOW?
And streaming your thoughts, where they are true AND counter-cultural is a valid masculine pursuit. You are using the media available to be Jerome or Cicero - unapologetically representing the truth.
And in a mostly peaceful society where men don’t have or require many opportunities to use their physical strength, using their mental strength to protect society seems a worthy pursuit.
the "red pill" derives from a movie made by two brothers who "became women"; the word "meme" was first coined by Dawkins in his book the 'The Selfish Gene' and was popularised on 4chan in the 2000's - these are just two examples of stupid words that have been interweaved into our garbage cultural milieu. Languages have always developed over time, but contemporary language is becoming more "colloquial" based on the shitty trends peddled through corporate media. The Internet is a manifestation of our collective detachment from reality - and you're worried about stupid words.
It’s good and smart to be red pill aware, especially as a Christian.
Is this about Red Pill or Porn? Most of the “red pillers” you’re referring to also teach men not to watch porn. So congrats, you are now part of the red pill community 😂
Thanks much for this video..
It’s funny how these talking heads always point to the grifters like the Tate brothers. Most redpilled guys were married, got divorced, and decided to work on themselves instead of commit to women with high body counts.
you sound idiotic
It is a lot safer to strawman the movement. It is much more uncomfortable to engage the valid complaints of the movement.
People prefer safe over difficult any day.
So much for the talking heads vaunted "masculine" traits.
@@StanleyPinchak so it sounds like you are poo pooing on smart men who survey the landscape.
@@oneman3587??? I am pretty sure I agree with you and was calling out the talking heads for strawmanning the movement rather than engaging it in a fair manner.
If they point out the flaws of some of the most egregious grifters they don't have to actually engage with the uncomfortable legitimate complaints of the movement.
Your guest fundamentally misunderstands the movement. Ask yourself what circumstances allow Tate to have a platform? Surely there are some legitimate grievances?
Her visceral reaction to the term ‘body count’ is telling. It is appropriate for men to desire chaste women provided they themselves are virtuous.
can a women with 300 bodies be considered chaste? say she garnered 300 bodies within an 18 year period, stopped cold turkey after finding religion and remained celibate for 15 years until marriage. Is she chaste?
These men are not promoting virtue. They are promoting vice and predatory behavior.
Like garlic to vampires
@@bigdiccmario By definition, yes. Chastity is the virtue which excludes or moderates indulgence of sexual appetite - not to be confused with virginity.
As for why a woman of 50-ish years would desire marriage? That to me seems dubious. Especially after more than a decade of perpetual celibacy and no possibility of begetting children. Marriage makes no sense in that scenario.
If you can, read up on the life of St. Mary Magdelene. She serves as a great example of repentance and redemption after a life of great sin.
The reason "body count" is a repulsive term is because it turns people into objects by referring to them as merely being "bodies." Also, the term body count is traditionally used to refer to the number of people k*llled in war. So using that to now refer to sexual intimacy is a repulsive comparison
If a woman is repulsed by the concept of body count, then that means she has a high one.
You are correct
The root word of “Virtue” as discussed by the classical philosophers, is “vir” or “man.” So the classical philosophers often discussed the qualities that made a man-virtues. This has been a question as old as time. By that explanation, Tate, with the others like him, lack virtues such as discipline, temperance, and others, and are therefore unmanly in direct proportion to their lack of those virtues.
Do you guys really think all the men who are following those topics have no justifiable grievances?
They do, and Andrew Tate is not the answer.
@@flabiger I agree
@@flabiger but the distain and straw man is unnecessary
@@flabiger says who?
@@TXAslingrShould he be the answer?
Fr Chad Ripperger, a Thomist, has a whole talk about effeminacy. You should have Fr Chad on.
The lionesses do the hunting, but not the fighting. The male lion pride leader has to fight to the death against intruders. If the intruder wins he kills all the cubs.
Also male lions often bring down bigger game like buffalo that lionesses can't.
Love Matt’s shows in general. This clip is putting this particular men’s movement in a box, painting all men in a certain way, which of course is wrong. When you see large groups of men walking away from relationships with women and therefore marriage and family, there’s a reason for it. It didn’t just happen. Men are responding to a society which increasingly has no respect for what they bring to that society. I don’t blame them either. But the answer isn’t found in a movement. It is found in a person, and that person is Christ.
Fancy that a women being offended that men have a standard for a women to be their wife.
I thought RED PILL referred to the Matrix and seeing through the false world the powers that be wants us to accept. Andrew Tate may use this word, but he has monopoly on it.
Red pill was the term coined among alt right wing circles to mean a bitter truth that reveals the mechanisms is the system. One of the standard “redpills” was understanding how western society caters to women and uses them to enforce a parasitic power structure. This spun off into movements like MGTOW and was parallel to Man-o-sphere movements
I think you meant he doesn't have a monopoly.
The evil powers of this world, though, yes, it applies.
@@stephenholland3801 thank you, yes, he does NOT have a monopoly
So a man should “ sacrifice himself “ and “ lay down his life” for a woman who doesn’t have a body count of zero prior to marriage? Yeah, no thanks and good luck with that. Her shallow knowledge of what red pill is disqualifies both their comments.
"In male cultures men only work in order to live, but in nations where women domineer, men show ambition, zeal for labor, and they frequently work themselves to death firmly believing that they live in order to work. On account of the fact that ambition is a female characteristic, women are always going to be outraged at the sight of potential energies which are not transformed into kinetic energies. The mobile life is urban and female. Haste is not only unmanly, but - as Ortega has demonstrated it - also the very negation of our immortality. The Middle Ages was a period without haste, it was male and timeless" - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
Yes! The medieval age was an age of noble rest! Filled with the dizzying social graces that men, in their boyish desires, erect for the joy of merely existing.
@@newtonia-uo4889 we sacrificed time and energy to the transcendent. Luke 10: 38-42 bro Mary > Martha.
Neither of these two knows what red pill is. They both admit ignorance but yet set up a straw man and attack it.
Andrew Tate and the Red Pill are popular because most young men desire a normal relationship and marriage with a woman, but have found this desire to be unfulfilled in our culture. A lot of young men (including Catholic men) can't get a date with a woman, and that's led to more and more young men drifting as single men. Most men on Catholic Match don't get their profile viewed and don't get any responses to messages they send. So these men naturally begin to seek answers why he can't find a woman, and he only sees red pill sources willing to discuss it. That's where men are told he "just" needs to make lots of money and get a six pack and become six feet tall. Meanwhile, women don't understand this struggle of men because they can get male attention so easily and thus have their natural desires for marriage and children fulfilled any time.
Women can suffer from this too, but in the opposite way. They can be used by unvirtuous men who are out of their league, tainting them both spiritually and psychologically in that they now set their threshold for a mate high above what they will actually be able to obtain.
A safe bet is to invest in cat food companies.
@@StanleyPinchak true, they basically have unrealistic expectations and thus see 90% of men as unattractive, until these ladies get into their 30s and realize they have to settle down. But even by then they will have a hard time truly loving a guy since they've already been giving their heart away and the guy they finally go with will be seen as her consolation prize, thus she will always feel like she settled for less and won't be truly thankful. This will set her up for a no fault divorce. Meanwhile, the typical good guy will be so starved for a relationship that he will tolerate the typical woman treating him below the respect of what a husband deserves.
@@StanleyPinchak And boxed wine.
She has absolutely no idea what a Red pill is ? Better do some research sweetie before spewing out absolute BS😂😂
I think you'd really appreciate Fr Chad Ripperger's take on masculinity. So he actually touches on the "femininity" of men (touching on St Thomas Aquinas) where in this context men won't do what's arduous and they give into thier passions of the senses to the point where when the man is without that passion he becomes emotionally unstable. So many men in the red pill movement are exactly like this too, even the aspect of the "alpha male" the appetites aren't ordered but is all about feeding them.
* effeminacy, not femininity. Two very different things.
@@MD-S282 ah thanks for clarifying. It's the downside with talks, audio isn't always clear so two words sounding quite similar can be mistaken for the other. Appreciate the clarification.
The modern culture has too many negative portrayals of men without portraying accurate positive masculinity. I think one of the best portrayals is in The Old Man and the Sea.
Just as long as it's positive, not negative. ☝️
@@Foreign0817 we have plenty of negative portrayals few positive in NEW media! Great in old ones but no one teaches in schools why they are positive.
Modern culture doesn't have enough accurate depictions of the predatory, subversive, and contradictory nature of the modern brainwashed female.
In lions the females hunt, but the males protect the pride.
We aren't lions, appeal to nature, a fallacy
but what color is your bugatti?
zyzz >>>>>> Andrew Tate
5:13 - this is why Forrest Gump is my favorite movie of all time.
In all honesty, this is the reason a lot of men turn towards things like red pill, because you’ve spent 15mins just ridiculing them when they do in fact have very real grievances. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be living under the comfort of newly discovered faith. I find it distasteful and ultimately counterproductive to sit there and ridicule without trying to understand. Talk about out of touch
There’s a reason many women in the 20th century and today turned to feminism. We can and understand the reasons, but ultimately we should be making sure people move away from these ideas.
Whatever their grievances (real or perceived), there’s nothing stopping these men from become holy, masculine men except their effeminacy and blame shifting. Matt is spot on.
You are not entitled to pursue your own un-Biblical solutions and philosophies merely because you have (real) grievances in this life. Nor have you been promised to be spared such grievances.
They are effeminate. At least in the context that Aquinas uses the word.
Pick up your cross. Become stronger not a weak, Vice driven man in response to hardship or non ideal conditions
Isabel you are mixing up incels with the Red Pill crowd. They are NOT one and the same thing. They overlap slightly on some sentiments, but what you are describing here are incels NOT Redpilled.
What exactly is the difference?
Redpill attempts to offer a solution to the depressing reality of inceldom for the lowest tier young men.
If you lost the gene lottery the best you can do is start putting in the work to make as something useful of yourself.
Besides being an indictment of modern society, what is wrong with that part of the red pill message that says get in shape and work to improve yourself?
To honest Matt we are tired of sacrificing ourselves for a world that hates us
You know, if I didn't understand your reference, I'd think that this is a tagline promoting the X-Men!
@@wanderingthedesert5599 If I am wrong point out the error
@@sergesavard636 no, no my good man! I have no argument.
"If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." - John 15:18
@@Pieflavourman87 sorry I am not dying for a culture that thinks a man can become a woman. Hopefully we lose the next war and we live under a Russian flag of St Andrew
I'm a Catholic married (for 19 years) man. MGTOW is good for educational purposes only but not to use women for their bodies either. MGTOW is not toxic masculinity at all. Women created the problem by being ultra selective and trying to act like men and destroying society at the same time making most good men invisible. We should live holy, masculine lives but just keep our eyes open to how most women unfortunately behave today. But there still are traditional, amazing, Catholic women out there. I'm blessed enough to have married one. Best wishes. Love your show.
Imagine bashing the "Red pill" while you've never had a real discussion with one of them. The only women that would get offended by a man asking for her body count are women with a high body count because they know it disgusts most men who want an actual relationship.
She doesn't know what the Red Pill is, it's generally a community of a lot of different ideas and views and is very broad spectrum. It's aimed primarily at men who wish to become the best version of themselves, warns them about the objective reality of modern women and pursuing your true purpose in life. Some red pill commentators promote the idea that men should sleep around, while others don't... Those ideas are subjective and aren't specifically "Red Pilled" values
Nonetheless, you have to admit the term has largely been co-opted by these "women ain't sh--" influencers, who are largely pro-promiscuity and anti- paternal responsibility.
Not in principle, no... Paternal responsibility isn't the issue, the issue is a man isn't given the ability to fulfil his role within marriage, hence why a lot of masculine men choose not to marry. Because of the system and the way modern women behave it just isn't worth his while.
@@TheDylanja I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say "not worth his while?"
Of course I take issue with that kind of transactional language being applied to marriage in the first place - the point isn't to gain, it's to give ("Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her" - Ephesians 5:25) - but I think I might've missed your real meaning under the verbiage?
@@tomevans2499 There's no transactional context within what I am saying, you like many Tradcons just fail to understand the argument due to preconceived ideals.
A husband's primary job is to provide, protect and bestow rules and boundaries, that's his responsibility... The Bible also states a woman is to submit to her man, none of this modernist "Equality" nonsense.
A lot of "Christian" women don't want to submit to masculine men who wish to lead the family in a traditional sense, they instead seek beta males who will forever simp for their wims that's the issue. The women are choosing poorly and hence we have a masculinity crisis in the Church
@@tomevans2499you’re forgetting the other part of that passage and many modern women have a massive problem with overweening pride. Even many Catholic women and men are very feminized and will object to a biblical view of a woman’s role within a marriage
4:48 imadculate
Oh boy, there are a lot of angry red pillers in the comments here. Fantastic video again Matt, loved Isabel's perspective on this ❤
They hate being called out.
This is a terrible take by Matt. Andrew would fold him. Andrew is the more masculine between the two.
@@marcoslopez127 How is Andrew masculine?
@@Foreign0817 The man is jacked and literally mauled other men for a living in hand to hand combat. He also possesses traditional masculine traits likes perseverance, a strategic mind, a chess elo between 1600-1800, business acumen, is wealthy, and over 6 foot. You're delusional if you think that he isn't masculine and even more delusional if you think that Matt is more masculine. I say this as a practicing Catholic who fears for Tate's soul. But to pretend that he isn't masculine is just outright lying, pure ignorance or delusion.
@@marcoslopez127 Jesus didn't go around beating up other men. When Peter drew a knife He told him to drop it. He was poor. A simple carpenter. Homeless. It's possible Jesus was 6 feet tall, but most likely 5'5", like the average man of the time.
The external things aren't what God looks for. It's for the heart. We are to be humble, not prideful. We are called to be spiritually strong to resist lust and greed. Not to flaunt in vanity. What has Tate done but promoted materialism and pursued women for the superficial instead of the spiritual?
The red pill movement is a misnomer. They're not offering that at all. They're often very correct about their assessment of many societal problems (not a lot of people are willing to admit this), but their solution is just about as toxic as the problem they criticize. They don't offer the alternative to feminism. They offer the inversion of feminism. Same twisted game, just inverted for men instead of women. It's the frankenstein's monster feminism created, really.
Show the red pill guys, "Leave It To Beaver." Ward Cleaver is more of a man than any of these gurus.
Matt, bring back your beard!
The red pill movement does have it's positives and negatives
It's negatives outweigh the positives. You cannot build virtue by attempting to masquerade vices as if they are virtues.
Red pill should rather be called red tube.
Neither one of them understand the Red Pill. Might want to chat up Aaron Claire Rollo Tomasi or Richard Cooper.
I LOVE Isabel Brown...what a gem!
That woman seems bitter. I think i will die alone than deal with women.
I understood the "redpill" concept very differently, mostly asociated with politics. Here they're discussing kind of a MGTOW movement. Men feminist version.
The word Matt is looking for when describing the red-pillers is μαλακία.
This is what real feminism should look like.
What if there's nothing left worthy of sacrifice in this world?
There's always something worthy of sacrifice.
@@Foreign0817 I believe that's relative. You may have found something worthy, but @wehavetherecipes hasn't.
@@wanderingthedesert5599 Then buy a plant. Nurture it. Give yourself something to do.
@@Foreign0817 I think he was talking about something other than hobbies or things he enjoys doing. He's probably more in the lamentation of Ecclesiastes mindset.
Alicia Silverstone
Simp.
You hate the word bodycount because you have a high bodycount period 😂😂😂
Streaming your thoughts and making a living is just what Andrew Tate - and Matt Fradd - do ;-)
The question is: What thoughts are we speaking?
I don't think Andrew Tate is a red pill
Super simping
Pearl was right, the simping in the conservative movement is slowly growing and it’s horrifying .
Of course Matt would ask a woman to womansplain about men's legitimate issues with American marriage and women's behavior in 2024. Never ask a woman to define red pill men or men's issues. Way more to it than what she describes, and it pre-existed Andrew Tate. She's too solipsistic to understand. C'mon Matt get serious.
Asking her opinion is not an issue - men love talking about feminism and it's toxicity and problems women have. It's all fair game to anyone who cares enough, man or woman. The public discourse is important.
You can check Whaddo You Meme. He talks about it. He may not be catholic, but he has an understanding of this topic.
Men talk about feminism all the time. The sexes have to be able to talk about each other's problems. Only men can tell you about how to be a man, and only women can tell you about how to be a woman, but they can both tell when the other side's doing something wrong.
The women seems to be speaking about RP in bad faith
@@MikeEnergy_Definitely strawman ning and characturizing it.
The math does work in a polygamous society. Obviously, it doesn't work if you assume monogamy. Not saying I agree, but the math does work out.
Polygamous societies can work for a while, but they're doomed to fail in the long run so it's irrelevant. You can't have 80% of your male population being sexless and expect the society to function. This can be observed in chimpanzee tribes, if the leader chimpanzee hogs all the women then the rest of the males will just kill him and then share the women.
A pagan society. 😮
@@Foreign0817 Not necessarily. There is polygamy in Mormonism and Islam. Also, there are Christian sects and Jewish sects from histroy that practiced polygamy. Again, not trying to defend it, but there is nuance. Its not just pagan.
@@braveHoratius Historically, yes. But just because men have done it before doesn't mean we should keep doing it. Adam and Eve is how it should be. One husband, one wife. Not an indeterminate number of wives.
@@braveHoratius I think history does support @Nick-ij5nt's point in general, though. For the most part, widespread polygamy has never lasted long. For instance, you cite the Mormons, but they stopped practicing polygamy in 1890, a grand total of sixty years after the religion was established. In Islam, polygamy is allowed but rare. Sure, peoples can make it work here and there, but it typically has to be relatively uncommon, so that the math can still work. If you have too few men hogging too many women, things get a little complicated with all the guys left out.
And what about TOXIC feminism???
Watch Matts interview with Dr Carrie Gress!
We've been calling that out since the beginning. It's nothing new. The problem is that many conservatives have developed a double standard. Yes, the 4th wave feminist movement has created many problems we see today. But it doesn't give us men an excuse to do whatever we want without consequences.
Not only does feminism regularly get discussed on this channel, it's literally brought up in the first 90 seconds of this very video you're crying on.
Look at that whataboutism you presented here
There's been many talks about the wrongs of feminism or sexual revolution on this very channel. Abigail Favale, Jennifer Morse come quickly to mind.
She can make snide remarks, but tell me where the red pill guys are wrong about marriage... it is a losing proposition for men.. end of story.
Because marriage is the natural vocation for most people. Meant are not to live alone or by themselves (unless there's a specific vocation 'for the Kingdom of God' or if there's physical or mental condition that precludes it).
We are meant to live in community, and we're also meant to form close intimate relationships with the opposite sex. In the Christian sense it's obviously the monogamous marriage.
A man will live his father and mother and will be joined with his wife, and they'll become one flesh.
(quoting from memory, so you may want to check for accurate translation)
*Marriage is a mirror of the Triune nature of God. Of mutual giving of the self and receiving.*
The exclusivity/monogamy is important, because it mirrors faithfulness of God, and the faithfulness of the creation in reponse. It is said, you will not have other gods before the one God.
That's why *monogamy and exclusivity in marriage is the only dignified way* for such relationship.
Also, why it's supposed to be *indissoluble.*
The union between husband and wife is supposed be the gift of self and be life-giving. *Procreation is partaking in God's act of creation* You're co-creating new souls, that are eternal.
So marriage as an institution is very much needed and relevant, because it's *in the frame of commitment and exclusivity that you have the reflection of the dignity of human person as made in the image of God.*
There's a reason the marriage is a SACRAMENT.
@@joane24 Sorry I disagree, didnt work for me, she found a boyfriend and I have been wiped out financially so I speak from experience. Tired of being lectured by celibate men about relationships with women, Yeah I am pissed off..
You've posted three comments here that make it clear you're more interested in your own opinion (and contemporary talking head opinions) on marriage, the world we live in, and nature of sacrifice than what Scripture has to say on them. Your argument is not with 'celibate men' but with God. Go and have that argument in your prayer time.
@@Mic1904 Maybe so, but its a good argument
@@sergesavard636 With God? If you say so. You go right ahead.
don't be such a chick Matt
She is proving them right!
Listen to her body count excuses!
We're Christians. We believe in forgiveness. You're not being forced to marry a woman who's had many partners in the past. Nor are you a bad person for rejecting her. But at least be happy for her. She's changed her life for God.
No, we are actively being shamed for not accepting the unacceptable.
The modernists will absolutely attempt snide little passive aggressive attempts at shaming men who don't accept vvomen who actively spit in the Church's face!
You're part of the problem with your wishy-washy "I'm so above it all" BS.
What excuses? She’s showing how illogical the whole argument is for men to sleep around but expect women not to. No one should be sleeping around, that’s the whole point buddy.
The rules are different.
A key that opens many locks is a master key.
A lock opened by many keys is a broken lock.
@@hansblitz7770 Just because that key could open any lock, it doesn't mean it should. If we should continue the metaphor: imagine it being an invasion of privacy. With great power comes great responsibility: just because you could, doesn't mean you should. ☝️
This is the worst definition of Red Pill I’ve ever heard. You guys have no idea what you’re talking about.
Please enlighten us. How would you define the Red Pill movement?
But Fresh N Fit does right?🤣
@@SilenceDoGood116 Michael sartain. Again. You're strawmanning.
@@alphacause your argument is literally, I don't understand red pill, so defend yourself from an incorrect premise.
@Conpuentes It’s not strawmaning, it’s pointing out the obvious in an obnoxious way. Also known as trolling. Welcome to the Internet🤣 as for Michael Sartain, yeah I’m sure he could bro🤣
Oh joy, people who don't understand Red Pill explaining what Red Pill means. I Don't see anything wrong with this
Can you explain it for us?
Can u explain it for us?
'If they have spoken wrongly, testify to the wrong, but if not, why do you strike them?'
Become Christ pilled, my brother
Strawman. This is a terrible definition. This is like judging catholicism by the sexual abuse of some priests.
You too are judging and discussing red pill without actually involving anyone with it.
I agree
Yall mean like Fresh N Fit or…?🤣
If this is a terrible definition, please provide a more accurate one.
@alphacause it might be better to invite proponents of Red Pill and similar ideologies. 1 simple definition won't get you far when the very next definition is also incorrect.
@@SilenceDoGood116 Mike Sartain would run circles around these people.
Catholic channel ridiculing female virginity at the point of marriage. Wow!
When did they ridicule female virginity at the point of marriage in this video? I didn't pick up on that.
@@gunsgalore7571 2:10
Literally didn’t happen in this video
That 50ft smoking strawman is a clear fire hazard - clear the area 🚨
Give the devil his due. Andrew Tate is masculine and definitely more masculine than Matt.
Matt, who leads a Catholic life, provides for his wife and children, tries to bring people to the Faith and break people's addiction to pornography?
What's not masculine about that? And how is it less masculine than a literal narcissist and pornographer?
@@DigitalLogos It's less masculine because Tate would put Matt in a body bag if he wanted to. Leading a Catholic life and masculinity are not mutually inclusive.
@@marcoslopez127 Ahh, so your definition is of masculinity is the Uber-Mensch. You respect physical strength and those who have power over material things.
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." - Matthew 10:28
@@flabiger My tradition is masculinity is the traditional and original definition of it even though you're trying to pigeon-hole me into something that makes this conversation easier for you dopes.
An uber-mensch is a very specific Nietzschean concept that even he struggled to define. If you want to use Nietzschean concepts, traditional masculinity is probably closer to Master Morality. Get your concepts right.
My definition of masculinity is the traditional one even though you dopes want to pigeon-hole me into something that you can cope with.
The "uber mensch" is a specific Nietzschean concept that even he struggled to define. Traditional masculinity is closer to Master Morality if we are going to stick to the theme. At least get your concepts right.
Wonder what this one did in Zambia?
A run in with a 14" Black Mamba?
"I don't like the term body count!"
Yeah, I bet she doesn't.
Get mental help. You are unwell if that’s where your thoughts go.
You need Jesus. I don't know who hurt you, but learn to forgive her and move on.
Have you heard of the sin of calumny?
This is a speculation, one that I'm probably right about.
@@hansblitz7770 Even if you are. Just let it go. Forgive and forget.
Lol religion kills mans happiness...