Shelby History and this Dual Quad 427 Street Cobra!
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- The Shelby 427 Cobra, a creation of the brilliant Carroll Shelby, is a car that needs no introduction. Born in the mid-1960s, this beast was designed to dominate the racetrack and the streets. The 427 Cobra set new standards for performance and speed, cementing its place in automotive history. For more Cobra goodness, go check out this video to take a look at Carroll Shelby's personal 427 Cobra that LMC fully restored: • Carroll Shelby's Perso...
This specific Cobra has gone through an open cheque book full restoration by the team here at LMC. It's flawless in every way while still retaining lots of its original components such as the seat covers, all the fibreglass, motor, tranny and even all the original rivets. Furthermore, this Cobra is a textbook virgin car. It is one of only a handful of cars that had never had any modifications, body damage, and that still has its original drivetrain. This is the top of the heap for road going Dual Quad 427 Cobras.
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This is the complete story that nobody else has explained. Thank you. Go figure !
As a serious petrolhead ,I could listen to this guy all day . Very knowledgeable.
100% This sort of knowledge only comes by a LOT of research, and a LOT of experience. Impressive.
Outstanding video!!!
Another great video! I would love to see content on history of early Vipers. They were as successful at Lemans and World Championship as Cobra and GT40 minus the overall victory...just first in class GT2. They are the modern Cobra and people just never hear about their successes. Been following LMC since I was a kid!
One of the companies that makes the kit cobras had one of their cars with a 225 hp mustang 5.0 engine and they ran it against a new viper at the time. This was 2001-2002 and the kit cobra destroyed the viper
Thanks for the deep dive into one of my all time favourites since I was a little kid.
Daddy has told me several times about the red 427 Street Cobra he saw at Al Means Ford in Atlanta in the mid-late 60s. The car was like this one including the 2X4 barrel carburetors.
So Gorgeous! The video and all!
Without doubting your level of experience or expertise (I learned a lot), are the cap nuts on the carbs (see 4:14) O.E. or just the best-looking option?
The Gold car at (3:08) has genuine FoMoCo throttle linkage where the red car has far superior Heim Joints, do these things matter to the collector?
Does the Gold car have the choke unloaded since the heat riser tube is missing, or does it just drip fuel out the exhaust until it warms up?
Note: I'm a semi-retired emissions repair expert who spent most of my career getting 60's and 70's American V8's to pass IM240 emissions tests in the 80's and 90's, not an easy feat I might add.
This gorgeous dual-quad 427 street Cobra just sold last night at Mecum Indianapolis for $1.95 million USD plus buyer's premium. Not quite the highest price ever for a 427 street Cobra, but right up there near the top of the list.
Hey there, this is a different Cobra.
@@legendarymotorcar Oh my, yes you're right. I just noticed the chrome side mirror that the auction car didn't have. My bad. The video car must be the one previously owned by George D. from upstate N.Y.
@@SundudeCAN No worries whatsoever!
So much for the “bad” economy 🇺🇸.
@@davidcat1455 it's most certainly a bad economy right now, by every matrix. However, the wealthy and the rich are often NOT affected by a bad economy, and often times they get even wealthier in a bad economy. Also, blue chip investment grade cars like these are a good investment, and a hedge against inflation.
And this my friends is why Legendary Motorcar is one of the very best shops on the planet……because Peter is one of the most knowledgeable and more importantly, passionate car guys around. You have to love your work to be one of the best at it and Peter ticks that box.
@thehawk05 - I could not agree with you more on your statement! I met Peter at Watkins Glen and he is a class guy with much knowledge!
I need to go back and watch this again. I appreciate this no nonsense video. Thank you.
It wasn't an American car. Hybrid. Those rear flairs looked like parachutes. Had to kill aero.
Excellent job Peter 👍🏻🇺🇸
Peter klute and Tom hnatiw will always!! Be my favorite car guys. Thank you Peter I’ve learned enough to qualify for a ba degree from watching you over the years
Klutt, rather
Wow I’ve never heard the history explained that well before. Lots of things I didn’t know about the cobra’s differences. Such a great video of a SUPER restored cobra.
This video was really well done, the narrator was very smart and knew cobras well.
Great video
Coming directly from the guy who just bought the red 427 in this video, I really appreciate the way the history is presented in this video!
The Best 427 Cobra documentation 🐍 video we'll probably see!
I gained so much knowledge watching this video. Thank you!
R.I.P. Carroll Shelby
Boom, well done sir.
This is how you turn a 2 million dollar car into a $3,000,000 Concours winner. 👍🏻👍🏻
❤️👏 As a fan of the show, it’s always inspiring to listen to people like Peter who have a great amount of experience, expertise, and knowledge.
A fascinating, enjoyable and very informative episode! I was fortunate to drive a genuine 289 Cobra once in the late 1980s - an experience I will never forget. Love your channel, Peter.
What a great video of incredible automotive history. As usual……. But what about the convertible top? There is never any mention. I’m curious to know if the top was an option?
First Cobra I ever saw was in 1965 at CDR just south of Golden, CO. It was the 4 weber, 385 hp 289 Cobra Dragonsnake racing against a brand new 396 Stingray. Everyone was standing and you should have heard the whine from that screaming machine. I remember it as a close race and I think the Cobra won, but I'm not sure. I do remember it as the most exciting drag race I witnessed during my high school days, going off into the navy a few months later.
I also like the 264? Race car with the fuel injection in the Peterson museum. That car was DRIVEN and 60ish yrs later still sounds radical when started. Thanks
Great Video VERY informative and SPOT ON Correct . I Bought my FIRST street 427 csx3227 back in 1972 . It cost me LESS than 10K ! YES LESS than 10,000 Dollars . I wouldn't want to speculate its VALUE at todays Market . IT Was and Is close to 100% in its original form . Street body , 428 interceptor Single 4 barrel carb, Sunburst Wheels . Goodyear Blue Dot Tires . Front and rear Bumperettes etc . I actually paid the LOWEST price for this Cobra than ANYONE who has Owned it . I was the second Owner .
Magnificent Car , I will Say . I was BORN at the Right Time !! : )
Just to ADD . I had an "Opportunity" to purchase DIRECTLY from Shelby American an "ORIGINAL " Cobra Daytona Coupe ! YES an Original World Champion Cobra Daytona for TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS
Way back in 1969 . I was only 19 and my father wouldn't Let me Buy it !!! GRRRRRRRRRR "IF " He only KNEW !! : )
Cheers !! Enjoy
I purchased csx3225 in 1968 for $4,995. Over the years I added side pipes, hood scoop Holley carb and rain race tires to the 428. It ran 12.4 in the quarter . It now has a 427 side oiler which doesn't seem any quicker than the 428.
@rayshepherd2479
I also placed a 427 side oiler in my Cobra, replacing the original 428. The difference is in the Rpm . Also depends how it is tuned .the 427 is MUCH Beefer and can Reach higher RpM safely that the 428 cannot . Low-end performance is about the same . But the 427 will survive high rpm racing that the 428 will not 😊
Cheers
The two-tone blue Cobra at :48 looks exactly like the one owned by the late Dana Beall of West Virginia. I rode with him several times in that car and he let me drive it once. Absolutely the most awesome car I’ve ever driven. It did have the 427 side-oiler and it was prepped by Holman-Moody.
R.I.P., Dana.
From what I’ve read and heard, most of the A/C cobras sold in the dealerships were wrecked before they reached 15-20 thousand miles. Too much power for the average American driver.
Yea, having money to afford one of these doesn't make the owner a better (smarter) driver. But, it does make classic Corvette owners pecker feel alot smaller in theor finger tips. Them classic shitty chevy guys like to brag about pointless crap to make themselves feel "special". Then one of these come.around and suddenly they don't wanna talk no more.
America driver? How about ANY driver. I mean, who else in the world had such power to weight ratios as did American musclecars. Not Ferrari, nor Lamborghini. A 2000 pound rocket on wheels is just asking to be crashed. People can’t comprehend wheel speed versus ground speed. When you’re doing 10mph ground speed and 80mph wheels speed, you are roasting tires, and you are relatively safe. RELATIVELY. But when you shift into second prematurely because your wheels are doing 60-100mph and your ground speed is 30-40mph, something is going to step out of line. Remember that on every American V8 powered vehicle, the drivetrain is literally trying to lift the right rear tire, and squash the left rear tire in equal and opposite amounts of torque, and if it weren’t for the chassis itself, the wheels would just flop around back there under acceleration. So the reality is that regardless of suspension set up, even with IRS, the right rear is going to spin more easily and will be trying to lift the right rear of your car. The left rear resists spinning as it is being driven into the ground as hard as the right rear is being lifted. That creates one helluva torque bias that most people don’t even consider in their heads while driving. Both wheels are turning the axles in opposite directions, which is why the leading end of the leaf springs or the control arms are trying to lift the rear of the car at the pickup points, while the right rear is helping that, and the left rear is doing the opposite, so there are lots of conflicting forces at work. So the rear is going to try to step out, then the driver tries to correct, but when the tires are going 60-80mph faster than the car is, and they either let it all slide out of control, for a spin out, or, the driver feathers the throttle and the tires suddenly gain traction, each rear gaining that traction at different times, and different pressures, the results are nearly impossible to predict. All those Mustang and Corvette, and. 911 videos of them doing a second gear spin, the wheel speeds go WAAAY UP, because it feels great and more is more, right? If they would simply watch the Speedo, and keep wheel speed waiting maybe 20-30mph if the perceived ground speed, there woudont be such unpredictable slides after sudden traction gains where the power being delivered is just too much to control with any predictability. So they do that at just a little too high of speed , because once again, fun is fun and more is more fun, but greedy will get you wrecked. And so it goes.
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Loved the car since reading John Lamms article in R&T 40 or 50 years ago. Tight ass Cobra for me please.
Most excellent!!
Thank you for one of the more informative videos on the cobra
A couple of questions?
Have you ever been to the cobra experience museum in Martinez California? It's a fascinating place I thought. One of the docents was saying that the 428 V8 cost Shelby $425 while the 427 cost over $1200 and that is why they started putting the 428 in. But he was also saying that some of the 428 customers complained and then they put the 427 in their cars
So while that may have now hindered the market value you can't really say that the car was hacked over later on.
He also said that the 427 design was done mainly by Ford motor Company as an offshoot of the GT 40 program?
I always thought that the 427 was designed because Shelby always thought GM would've given the go ahead for the Corvette grand sport which was faster than the 289
Do you know anything about this?
I remember back in the 70s you'd see these in the classified of road and track magazine for $4000 all day
Thanks again for an informative and well produced video
A few years back, I recall reading articles about the '427' badging not necessarily meaning the Cobra had an actual 427 under the hood as engine shortages at Ford led to the venerable 428 being substituted. The insinuation, apparently, was that the body was named '427'. To me, the thought of a street Cobra without a hood scoop or side pipes or roll bar and a milder 428 under the hood is actually quite a nice alternative as a replica than the usual boy-racer-looking beast with a 427 side-oiler and pain-in-the-#$% Weber carb setup.
On the one hand, he talks about a ground-up restoration the owner would not even allow him to drive to the venue. We all know not another mile will be put on that car.
Later he goes on to say there’s nothing stopping a present-day owner from driving thousands of miles cross-country in his restored side-oiler dual-quad 427 Cobra. Oh, really? Admit you know better! As in, driving a multi-million dollar car on a public road, period. But to go further, needing 103 octane gas to avoid detonation. Good luck with that. Or, dealing with 6 mpg on your road trip.
Of course nobody is going to do a road trip in one of these. No longer are motorheads buying these cars. They have been priced out of the market by speculators who know the price of everything and the value of nothing. And you are just the guy to take one of these off the road and sell it to some trust fund baby who can’t even drive stick. But please, try not to act as if you are doing us a favor.
I watched a guy trying to drag a 427 at a local meet. He couldn’t get it off the line because it just spun the wheels. When he did it was awesome
He needed to launch it in second gear rather than first!
I remember going to a national mustang show they had in my area around 1979-1980 time frame and there were two 289 Cobra’s and two 427 Cobra’s there. And one of them was a dead ringer of this red one . All original 17000 miles showing and the guy that owned it couldn’t make it so he let his friend drive it up from Oklahoma. I talked to him and he told me his friend just turned down $60000. dollars for it and at the time I thought that was all the money in the world for a car. It’s kind of funny the guy took a local news reporter for a ride and they ran out of gas on I-35.
The 427 engines had too much weight and power for road courses in racing. The 289 was a lot better for this purpose; But, I still want 1!
I love the Cobra, never had the money for one, I like the restoration, the only change I would have done would be two and a half exhaust and some bigger tires on the back, I understand the correct restoration , but I would have to drive it, awesome!!!
Love your camera work, love your knowledge and enthusiasm. Great work. Thank you.
Never mentioned, not only the first 100 cars or so were 427 center oilers but the engines had low riser heads, big difference in power over the later cars with medium rise heads!
I always wondered about certain things like the side pipes vs non side pipes the single square tail light vs two round tail lights different front bumper vs non bumper with brackets and finally the large flare wheel wells that actually made the tires and wheels look too small and on other cars they got it right, with less radiused flares that makes the tire wheel combo look more centered in the wheel well.....
Peter
Awesome review
Ryan really does a great job, he is tops.
You should be proud.
I owe you two dinner, see you soon.
Jeff
Isn’t the bolt supposed to go in the other way around so that the nut is at the steering rack end. Pretty sure that’s why there is such a big opening in the lower control arm. Perhaps an earlier mechanic put it in backwards?
Did the Toploader behind the 427 / 428 cars run a close or wide ratio ?
Did anyone place the 427 Cammer in the Shelby..?
I have a calibrated monitor and it sure looks like Rangoon Red. Is it?
There is nothing like driving one of these through the country side, nothing.
Do you need a car like this? No. Do you want a car like this???
Qestion wasn't there a quad cam 427
I was a young 20 year old Sailor stationed in Naval Air Station Jacksonville in Jacksonville Florida. It was late 1979 or early 1980 and the parking lot was still filled with muscle cars from the late 60’s through the 1970’s. When the Commanding officer is a car guy and he buys a 1964 Stingray, well it only behooves the Junior Officers to buy sports cars too. Our Commanding Officer loved to do benefit runs with the sports car club he was in so almost overnight the car club the CO was in had 25 or 30 new applicants. E type Jaguars, early big block Mustangs, Tri-Power GTO’s, you name it and it was in our parking lot. These were daily drivers. The CO drove his Stingray to work so the Junior Officers did the same. The car that stood out the most in my memory because it was the first “REAL’ one I had ever looked over was a 65 289 Cobra. AS A DAILY DRIVER! Of course in 1979 they weren’t worth nearly as much as they are today but it was still a rare car.
The strange irony is this wide flare car looks like a bad kit car! The stance is terrible, and the whole thing looks disproportional. Nowadays, it looks strange without the iconic hood scoop, single rollbar, and side pipes.
It is of course an important and valuable piece of history and I'd love to own it!
WHEN you started to point out the differences l started to notice no extras on that red one and WOW DO I LOVE THAT CLEAN LOOK BEETER !! AND the two fours :)
PS l would be happy with a clean 289 model too
Peter, I’ve enjoyed all of your classic performance car shows for 30 years at least. They are all top of the heap. I’ve always wanted and still have hopes of owning a Shelby or Cobra some day. The closest I got was my 69 BOSS9 from 2000-2008! It was the best and most exciting rare car that I never dreamed I would be privileged to own and enjoy! Keep producing these amazing shows, I will always be here warning!
What a complete insanely video review of the Shelby Cobra story, I learned so much, and there were so many details & info I had never head off & knew,wow, amazing. Thanks, Legendary Motorcar.
Wow. What an enlightening video. I do wish that the 260 v8 was mentioned. I'm curious how many were made. Was it that first year of 1962?
American cars,😂😂😂
Pretty Lady . 🤷♂️
Thanks for the video, I've been watching you guys since the Speed Channel days.
Dreams are still free thank goodness for that!
Good factual info, no repeated myths stories gotta appreciate that.
One car Ive never been able to afford. Nor the Pantera.
😊
Such a fantastic video guys! This car is so simple and outstanding same time. In this shade of red and after a long and deep restoration it looks even more beautiful than it is. Thanks for your love and passion for the most beautiful and exotic cars in the world!
Thanks Peter...wonderful:)
289's were used in the GT40 in 68 & 69 to win Lemans 🔥
What ever happened to that supercharged cobra that wasmade for bill Cosby?
Destroyed in an accident.
@@289cobra9 is that the car that Shelby built for bill Cosby? I had heard that it was destroyed, but didn't Shelby build two of them?
@@Albertgermanaro-fs7yf
Yes he built two.
Great Video, I still miss Tom Hnatiw.
Thank you. Very informative.
I learned more about the Cobra from this video than I knew previously; great video. I first learned about the SC Cobra when I was in high school. 0-60 in 4 seconds! What a car, what a history. Watch the Ford vs Ferrari movie, quite good.
What really boggles my mind is the fact that a base Porsche 911 Carrera is faster than this 427 Cobra !!
That really is a gorgeous specimen. I'm truly enamored and am in awe. Love that red color. I personally would prefer a 289 hipo compared to a 427 for the drivability. I wouldn't need such a beast.
Id love to have a 289 just due to the subdued look and build a solid lifter high compression sbf from hell.
Outstanding presentation !
Awesome video guys!
I love the "Roadster!"
a Cobra love story
Cobra. Great Car!
Great video.
Most educational video about the Cobra on the internet! I see that you've been working out. Keep it up!
Educational about the Cobras that were sold by Shelby in the US, they existed over a decade before Shelby had ever heard of the car company, were made in Surrey UK and we're not sold as Shelby's in other countries. AC had lost their engine supplier, their own engine was too old, they wanted to buy the small block ford engines, but ford wouldn't sell them any, they re engineered the car for the 440 Chrysler which was what other big GT cars in europe were using, that is the point Shelby stepped in and persuaded Ford to supply engines, he got the right to sell in the US under his name, AC kept the right to sell elsewhere but now had Ford engines to put in them.
Shelby was a brilliant marketeer.