@@lumbermill8588 Are you sure Jethro is a "black person" name? All the Jethro's I know are either Asian or white... then again I know a ton of people who have "x race" names who are not x race.
Do you think the name "Mohammed" would be more likely or less likely to be called back for an interview as compared to a name like "Michael"? I really think it would be less likely in most cases. If "Mohammed" is not a preferred name, why do you think that is? Do you think its about racism? How could that be? Islam represents 1/4th of humanity, it is possibly the most ethnically diverse religion/culture. No ethnic group makes up the majority of Muslim adults living in the US, 41% of whom identify as being white. So is it really about racism or is it about a cultural bias towards Muslim names in a society who favor biblical names? Common sense would favor the later. Going back to what I said earlier. Do you think people named "Jethro" (Country folk) or "Moonbeam" (free spirits) would be preferred over the name "Michael"? Do you think maybe Jethro, Moonbeam, and Tyrone all face the same kind of bigotry? Isn't it more plausible people are just hating on them for the culture where they are from, that's no fault of their own, rather than outward appearance. It's not as if job applications are submitted with a passport photo. The employer has no idea what these people look like. Remember Islam has people of all races, including whites.
Oh yeah, sure, that's precisely what happened. Sheltered white dudes wouldn't go and downvote something just because the entire idea of white privilege offends their delicate sensibilities.
There are too many axes of interpretation that starkly show the privilege at play; it's undeniable. Bad faith engagement and over-investment in faulty ideologies keeps people from even allowing themselves to make a fair consideration of it.
An interesting thing about "You have to look at the background of why people are in the United States" and "Asian people do well because they did well in Asia and could emigrate here" is that if you break down Asian immigrants into their origin countries, the importance of background becomes even more apparent. For example most Vietnamese Americans came to the US as migrants as a result of the Vietnamese War (although a lot were also the well-off bourgeoisie feeling from communist, which lessens the discrepancy), and this can be seen as the median income from Vietnamese Americans is significantly less than Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, and many other Asian Americans.
Data Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income Other Graphics: www.pewsocialtrends.org/asianamericans-graphics/vietnamese/
Mollusco Mollusco white dudes who are in fact as snowflakey as the feminists and sjws they take cheap shots at for the entirety of their time online, except now their ideas are finally being challenged so it’s uncomfortable.
Actually never heard people calling for less police as a response to these police shootings. Literally never heard that before. I've only heard people advocate more and better police training.
@@hansolodolo92 Do you want a link? But, before you say anything I'm not saying most black lives matters believe this but, a large part of the group does!
If there are people who want law enforcement to be completely privatized, then I'm sure there are also people who want law enforcement to be completely done away with.
Your guest did little to no research into the issue of police brutality and the relationship the black community has with the criminal justice system. BLM leaders (not randos on twitter who can just say they are a part of BLM) have always called for a reformation of the criminal justice system and the police force.
I will admit that I do not know all of the ins and outs of BLM. My impression of BLM is that they believe that the reason that African Americans are suffering in this country is because the country is systemically racist. I disagree with this notion and think it is unhealthy for the black community to tell them that their flaws are not a result of poor choices but systemic oppression. However if I was wrong or misinformed please correct me, I am always looking to learn more.
To not believe in systematic racism is to deny the history of this country. I think I see your problem. You don't want to completely blame the status of blacks in this country on racism because, as it's been sociologically proven, socioeconomic status is the more powerful determining factor when it comes to positive behavioral outcomes. I don't disagree with this. However, as Destiny tried to get across, this is... awfully simplistic. I'm working on my MPH, and something that's hammered down to us on day one is to holistically look at the communities we serve and to avoid myopic viewpoints and strategies when considering that communities problems. Centuries of slavery and decades of Jim Crow have delegated a specific race to the lower echelons of society. Because of this and a history of other discriminatory practices (see: Redlining and Voter Id Laws), race and socioeconomic status are irrevocably tied in this country. Harmful policies that exist today that target poor, urban communities will by in large hurt black communities by association. This is what is we mean by "systematic racism. Maybe there's a better word for it ("proxy discrimination ???"), but, regardless, blacks are hurt because of their association to poverty, which is due to historical racism. There are a number of sources from researches and authors more reputable than me, but one book I highly recommend reading is "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander.
Hey man I totally agree that there has been a lot of shitty things in the past that have devastated African American communities. Could you specifically name policies that exist today that continue to hurt these communities.
Again, there are no harmful policies that outright target black communities. Any policy that hurts a low-wage, working-class community will most likely by proxy hurt black people. Voting laws are an example. Whether it be in the form of Early-Voting cuts, cuts to Same-Day registration, or Voter ID laws (this is the most contentious), these policies typically hurt poor, black communities by putting more unnecessary barriers to place their ballot.
“If you’re black you will get more job opportunities” I would really LOVE for someone to explain why the black unemployment, incarceration and homeless rate hasn’t changed in 50 years?
@shallnotbeinfringed unlessuvotedem yea “pretty sure” is not actual evidence and it changed because of Obama’s policies...and when it was time for trump to make something it shit right back up...Trump does not have the political know how to do that😂 I’m tired of the delusions get off q-anon and read a book 😂😂
@@khadi7454 how do you know addition of the Neanderthal gene, wasn’t a good thing? Could it be possible that there were positives to this? There are studies that suggest so.
Paraphrased Guy: 'Morals don't mean anything unless you can apply them' Destiny: 'Why don't you donate your organs right now' Guy: 'I can't apply my morals; except in utopian hypotheticals' AMAZIN
Didn't he kind of specifically clarify the distinction between applied and transcendent morality? I don't think the distinction is without value and worth clarifying. If we say that someone who threw himself on a grenade to save his comrades committed some kind of extraordinary good, we are acknowledging that while we don't expect everyone to doing a certain act, that act IS a greater good than not doing it. This represents a different notion than saying that because we can't expect everyone to sacrifice themselves to save others, it is not the more moral act.
@@dankwarmouse6248 Sure, but then it invalidates the notion that to mean anything moral systems can only get their meaning from application. That is, it's possible to discuss the morality of things not immediately applicable to us. Like, you could be trapped in a meat eating society disincentivising non-participation in that and know what the morals are (just go with me here) while lacking the actual moral courage to perform them. The immediate application is separate from the principle. So don't go talking about the discussion of moral principles being worthless without immediate application -- then when pressed to perform said immediate application, in order to give your theories meaning, turn around and speak about the distinction of application and principle while suddenly believing the conversation didn't become automatically useless right then and there like you first believed.
All this means is that he's reading an article about a study rather than reading the study itself. Unfortunately, most people don't read the underlying sources of whatever article they use to justify their worldview. It's understandable though.
I'm so pissed that this guy got even an internship at a DA office. I have 2 fucking degrees, one through my schools pre-law program, and I couldn't even get a call back. No answer from the public defender's office, nothing from any law office at all. As a matter of fact the only job I've been offered, with my 2 applicable degrees and military experience, is the cart pusher at a home depot not too far from here and a temporary position at a bleach factory. I was triggered 4:30 into this shit.
Holy shit Bryce are you serious? That sucks dude. On another note though, I literally looked at your latest video and saw you rolling a massive Spliff, maybe don't post that stuff online :thinking:
Nah man, the job apps were a few years ago. I do landscaping and it's legal where I'm at. I gave up the corporate thing for weed, basically, and I don't regret it at all.
Hey man I am the guy in the debate and I am sorry that you did not get a job at the DA's office and that you seemed to be angered by what I said. If I said anything that was blatently false I would be happy to hear about it because I have no intention of defending an incorrect position. What I can promise you is that nothing I said was at all malicious so if you want to have a productive discussion I am totally open to it.
Obesity hey, I'd love to be able to get with you about some of the falsehoods or inaccuracies throughout the video, I had a pretty sweet list going for a while, but honestly I don't think it would be a good use of time. As far as the job stuff goes, don't worry about it. I'm much happier running my business at this point, I feel like I dodged a bullet. 🔥🌲 Every day
Correction: that phd student was reported as stealing the car by a near by racist bitch and then followed by police who manhandled him he sued them I don't know if they've settled yet.
Kid I know if you’re referring to the op you can see people like Ben Shapiro make an active effort to call people what they don’t want to be called in terms of gender
i am it’s conflating trolls with conservatives. A troll says trans women aren’t really women to piss people off, but a conservative says it because they honestly disagree that they should be considered women. We can argue about that issue, but that doesn’t mean conservatives aren’t acting in good faith. They get called racists for not believing there’s a huge problem with police shootings, or transphobic for thinking chromosomes define gender, or they get called rape apologists for knowing the 1 in 4 rape statistic is bullshit. Those are honest disagreements, but a lot of the left sees it as them trying to make people feel bad. Some people in the left also believes it’s ok to insult, or say really horrible things to people they misinterpret as being racist or sexist, etc... so then people on the right get understandably pissed off, and get pushed into actually just trying to piss liberals off to “fight back”. The life philosophy of “don’t be a dick” would be a good thing for either side to practice these days. Stay independent man, don’t consider yourself a part of either side. The left thinks black people are disadvantaged because of racism. The right thinks they’re disadvantaged because of culture. How can anybody really make progress when they’re both demonstrably correct, but neither will accept reality? Watch news reports from the sixties, it’s the same arguments over and over again for years. Politics is the bread and circus now.
Uh, no. No one likes political correctness. Courtesy and being polite and very different from political correctness, you seem to be living under a rock.
You and Selcki are both right. "Crack" is just the free base form of cocaine. Powder cocaine is technically cocaine hydrochloride (most pharmaceutical drugs are "something something" hydrochloride). Put simply, crack cocaine has the hydrochloride part removed and is the free "basic" (in the chemistry sense) form of cocaine. Crack and powder cocaine have the same effect but crack has a greater effect because you absorb much more of the drug more quickly by smoking it than would be absorbed intranasally by the blood vessels in the sinuses when you insufflate powdered cocaine.
Hylucinogyn - Unless you're an addict that wants the best rush for the least money (like every fucking addict) and IVs it. Powder is just as dangerous as crack. The only reason crack is so prevalent is because the majority of it gets cooked up into crack and is more profitable.
@@Yoshsterpalooza It 100% is real. I think it is often a distraction to a different problem, but it is definitely a real thing. Just because lefties misuse and abuse a concept, doesn't mean the concept loses validity.
Yakub9001 The Cave Beast no it absolutely is not a thing. There is zero race based privilege in the United States. Me as an Indian American have no rights or immunities granted or taken from me for being dark brown. If u want to give me an example of a privilege anchored to race you can shoot one, Ive heard pretty much all the arguments lefties throw out, I’ve even debated my sociology professor in front of the class and she couldn’t give me an answer.
That was productive! This kid seems to be pretty honest and genuinely interested in how to solve social problems. He's not regurgitating partisan scripts or memes or whatever.
If your parents were born Black, and still had the same jobs? Well, that opens up a new set of questions, now doesn't it? Questions like: If they were born Black, would they even still *have* those jobs? Would they have even had the opportunity to *get* those jobs? Would they have lived in, and gone to school in, a place that prepared them for those jobs, when the opportunity to get them presented itself? Etc. Etc...To say that nothing would change about your life, had you been born Black in America, is to deliberately gloss over the myriad of societal hurdles that we all *know* exist for the Black community at large.
It's almost surreal hearing Destiny bring up his usual talking points, but the person he's talking to is smart and honest enough to discuss them genuinely. The kind of discussion where Destiny and the other guy are actually living in the same reality, and most of the time isn't dedicated to arguing whether racism even exists in the first place, or other stupid shit.
Yup this was an incredibly disappointing "debate." I came across Destiny a week ago or so and liked some of his debates but lost a lot of respect for him after watching this. Destiny was giving ground to and agreeing with a lot of racist bullshit. Destiny clearly has a huge blind spot here as a privileged suburban white kid who grew up with white gamer culture. I'm saying that as another privileged suburban white kid who had to confront that blind spot an (and still am). The biggest gap I noticed is a huge lack of empathy for what it's like to grow up black, even if you're in a privileged socioeconomic class. Quite simply, you're not treated the same as the white kids even if you dress "nicely," talk "professionally," etc. A lot of people are really uncomfortable around any black person, and black people pick up on that. On top of that, if you're a black person in a higher socioeconomic class, then by definition you're going to be a small minority. Being surrounded by people who don't look like you, many of whom are uncomfortable to be around you, is not pleasant or conducive to academic success. You also have a dearth of positive role models in the dominant culture. Oh sure, there are always the exceptions, but the vast majority of the time, blackness in media & culture is associated with poverty, crime, "ghettoness," etc. Then, to make matters worse, your blackness is a mark against you in the dating game and sexual marketplace. Everyone always gets uncomfortable when you bring this up, but yes, the fact that you wouldn't date a black girl is a sign of racism. It doesn't mean you're personally racist in a traditional sense, but the beauty standards and peer pressures that lead one to be averse to dating a black girl stem from a racist culture. People always like to say "well it's just natural to be attracted to your own race" and yet white guys go crazy for Asian girls because culturally they're seen as submissive. For me, reflecting on my attraction (or lack thereof) towards black women was what really made me start to realize I had internalized a lot of racist stereotypes. How Destiny somehow failed to bring up any of this stuff when discussing the hypothetical of "would I be worse off if I grew up in the same socioeconomic class but was black instead" is mind-blowing to me, and I can only conclude that he just hasn't thought that much about what it would be like to be black, or seriously interrogated some of his own racism that he absorbed from white culture.
Completely glossed over the crack cocaine issue. This is actually very well documented. Crack cocaine sentencing is almost identical to that of crystal meth because the drugs are so similar from an addictive standpoint and a distribution standpoint. White people tend to deal in meth more and black people tend to deal with crack cocaine more, and guess what, the sentencing numbers are nigh on identical.
The recidivism is exacerbated by the private prison industry. They literally give ppt presentations on how to ensure higher recidivism for increased revenue.
Maybe if they could trust the cops they could call them instead of taking justice into their hands. There are too many cops in these low income areas, but if you’re a cop and you’re taught you’re basically at war with the community.. it’s them or you, how will you behave.
Destiny is right, when Asians first came to the United States from China, Japan and the Philippines, the best and brightest were being shipped over to work in rail roads and mines. All those talented specially selected Asians came to work slave like labor intensive jobs and were also heavily discriminated against. Yep great point.
What? Who the hells been saying the solution to police brutality is less police, wtf is he talking about? I’ve seen people advocating for better police training, I personally haven’t seen anybody advocate for “less police or whatever”.
@@wxz177 BLM hasn't been asking for less police, they've been asking to be treated like, and this might seem crazy to somebody of your prestigious caliber, they're human beings. The fact that you conflate the request for human rights with the removal of police is actually quite telling. I wrote this 3 years ago, #DefundthePolice hadn't existed at that time and even that has a nuanced perspective if you approach the topic without bias, but don't worry I won't expect such a complex thinking process from you, I wouldn't want to see your head literally explode LUL..
Answer to kidney problem: for me the answer is in the act. We define the acts of murder and saving. And we see what the act is by first thinking of a non act. If a person needs a kidney to survive what happens if we do nothing, they die. Therefore the act is saving them. And in law you're not forced to save someone. Now if a woman is pregnant and does nothing does the child die or survive, in most cases it would survive so the act isn't saving it because it would have survived, so the act is murder. So by law an abortion would be murder while kidney transplant an act to save someone so they aren't equivalent. So if abortion would be illegal you don't need to worry about someone coming and trying to take your kidney xD.
Uhm... The civil lib. act of '88? Yeah, that extended only to American Japanese that were interned by the US GOV. during the war?? I don't thonka that counts as a reperation, my dude. It's not like they were given reperations for anything more than their relocation, and honestly, I don't think that's the worst thing the US did to them? They got fuckin nuked, no?
Really think the two of them were way to quick to put aside actual racial bias that POC face in favour of simple socio-economic factors. Didn't really get to grips with white privilege.
I really think Destiny needs to talk to an ACUTAL black person about this shit. Watching two people, who have no clue what it's like to be a poor black person in America, talk about "black culture" (AKA rap music [this is not the only facet in black culture btw]) and it's impact on us is really infuriating.
I think it is infuriating that blacks think they have it bad in this country especially the black super stars who still act like victims despite the fact that they are making more money than god and are worshiped by millions of followers like Jesus. I think blacks like the fact that their communities are ran down into the shit hole. if they actually focused on being useful citizens in society then they would not be capable of playing the victim card anymore then where would their self validating self proclaimed importance come from? you are 1000 times more likely to end up dead when you cross paths with a black than if you do with a white face. I just want you people to go back to your homeland or for us to split the country in 2 and you make 100% of your own laws with no white people to interfere. and you can have the exact perfect dream you wish for. you can have as many child soldiers and Ho slappin pimps you want. make as many ghettos and Detroitify as many places as you want. All I know is I don't want the most prosperous and the most free country in the world that has ever existed in over 200,000 years of human history to be completely destroyed by a bunch of idiots who can't even manage to fuck without a 10cent condom.
14:30 On that token, we had several nigerians that lived in the same dorm hall as me when I was in college and they were all from very wealthy families. Out of state/non resident tuition and fees were *extreme* at my school
With the "Sacrifice 1 person to save X" problem, i feel like the entire point is moot if we don't take into consideration the present and potential value of both sides. I ll take two extremes ends for the example: "A 20 year old prodigy who has just finished something super prestigious in the technology field and has a bright future ahead of himself has the choice to sacrifice himself to save 100 95 year olds living in hospice centers around the world." This one person's VALUE outweighs the 100 95 year olds both in present and potential value. This line of thinking can get really dangerous really fast and would likely be debated forever on what the "Value potentials of a person" is, but there is no logical argument that could be made in saying there isn't a difference in value from person to person.
Late to the party, but - It's not about whether socioeconomic disparity is 'more' or 'less' impactful than racial disparity. It's the fact that racial biases work as *aggravating factors* which can make the kinds of problems that socioeconomic disparity already imposes on the poor as a whole even more damaging and regularly-occurring for minorities. It makes the generational cycle of poverty even *more* near-inescapable than it already inherently is.
That idea that a person's struggle might be multi-faceted - the result of their position in society, such as their bio-geographical origins ("race"), their sex, their class status, their physical appearance etc - there's a name for that. It's called intersectionality. So, a poor Black American's class status might intersect with the fact that he or she is Black. Similarly, a poor White American's class status might intersect with the fact that he or she is white. The theory of intersectionality is a very useful one, but the anti-sjws and some sjws, without knowing what it means, have rendered it just another meaningless buzzword.
Yes, I hate the way Twitter (and all social media) has reduced some useful concepts into buzzwords, often becoming more divisive than helpful. Humans are way too complicated to put into one single category, we all have some privileges and some disadvantages. . . And it's often not easy to know about someone else's.
Here's what I think is the inherent problem with morals: morals attempt to assign an absolute value to things like "people", "puppies", "pain", "pleasure", etc. But the reality is that the value of these things is constantly in flux and contextual - never absolute. There's no way to definitively answer the question "Is it moral to sacrifice one person for X amount of people." Imagine a post-apocolyptic scenario where the one person is the last man on earth, against a million women who aren't the last women on earth. That man has more value because of the context. Realistically all we can ever hope for in a moral code is this: that it promotes decisions that maximize the total value achieved for all parties involved in any given situation. It's still an impossible task given the amount of variables at play in the universe but at least it isn't naively searching for absolutes that aren't there.
The more pressured I'd feel, the more likely I would overcome my selfishness and self-sacrifice for a million people. Like if I was being held hostage and overlooking the city of Los Angeles, and my captor told me I had to agree to let him kill me or he'd drop a nuke on the city, and he could easily prove his ability to do so. In that case, I'd probably submit, but maybe due to a feeling of helplessness more than anything. Now if someone texted me saying, "Here's proof of my ability to drop a nuke on the city of L.A. Also, I've left a package on your front doorstep with a gun inside. If I don't have news of your suicide within 72 hours, I will drop a nuke on the city. Get moving." At that point, I wouldn't feel nearly as pressured, and my selfishness would take over. I'm not sure even my own morals would tell me what to do in a situation like that. I'd probably try to notify authorities but by no means would I do it.
The moral thing to do is to sacrifice yourself to save a higher number of people but it is immoral to expect and pressure people into that moral system. It doesn't really break the moral system it just makes it more realistic by allowing people a neutral choice to not have to do every moral action all the time. It's a logical fallacy to think that because doing something immoral is immoral, not doing something moral is immoral too. Not doing something moral and selfishly protecting your own life is not immoral, however someone taking your life to do something moral is immoral. It's kinda weird maybe for some people but it's still logical.
Hi I would be up to debating with you about the idea of a minimum living wage or discussing the lives of those with learning disabilities. Your a very intelligent and well read person and I would be curious about what you think. Are you willing to talk about either or both areas?
He argues for a utilitarian point of view when Destiny asked him about the doctor scenario, but there are very good papers on why utilitarianism doesn't work and why we don't use it in our society.
1:01:18 "Sort of Confucius like I guess." ... Not at all... Confucius came up with Virtue Ethics around the same time Aristotle did... What he believed in was very different to Destiny... (It's also not really Kantian since Destiny is using the golden rule as what he is comparing his view to and while Kant's ideas end up being similar to the golden rule, Kant very strongly opposed the golden rule because "do onto others just as you would like to have them do to you" is based on what you want them to do to you... Kant didn't like that part if I recall correctly from what my philosophy prof said...)
Jesus dude. Did you really post a video of yourself trying(and failing) to lift 135 lbs? If I could face palm any harder so think I'd knock the brain out of my skull.
This kid lives in Philadelphia, one of the most diverse cities in the world.what does he know about discrimination. How about the black kid that goes to an all white school. White kids want to feel your hair all the time and stare at you, do you not think he’s be discriminated or made a into a social outcasts. Race matters especially at a young age. Kids shape are reality
51:50 I know you won't answer this, Destiny, but the answer is simple: _BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL._ If it weren't illegal, don't you realize how many people would be running to the hospital right this very minute, and signing up to be tissue-typed for matches? In fact, if I hadn't survived encephalopathic hemorrhagic fever as a teenager (and thus be banned from organ donation) I probably would've done this years ago.* And it's *NOT* because I'm some great "moral" person. It's because I didn't ask to be born, but there are people who, _if given the choice,_ would choose to be born. I'm curious how you didn't see this? 🤷🏾♀️ *Edit: If it were legal, I mean.
This is the resume study Destiny mentions www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf. Appendix table1 has the names that are used and when compared to a list of the most common black names it appears that the names used in this study have little correlation to the names that black people actually have. www.babycenter.com/0_popular-african-american-names_10329236.bc And yes I know this isn't the best source but this was the best I could find in 5 minutes; if you know how to find the information better please share. Also, the video with the kid getting pulled over your description of him doing nothing wrong is incorrect. he gets out of his car, the police never asked him to do this, and he is flipping the cops off. He may have very well been pulled over for the incorrect reasons but the fact is he was and he took actions that made him look hostile. If he would of just stayed in the car and didn't use crude gestores his experiance probobly would have been more peacefull.
At 1:00:00 talking about the baby being killed for the benefit to other babies. We basically have this concession with vaccines. Not saying I defend the guest, that definition of morals is so stupid.
If you have 1000$ and are smoking crack your going to spend that 1000$ over the course of the day or night. It’s easier to come down from powder cocaine, so your less likely to continue to spend your money on more when your just doing the powder cocaine. With crack your likely to give away all you have to keep that high going and from geeking out.
It was going well until the guy said scientists can make better philosophical arguments and Destiny had nothing to say back :((( basically in modern philosophy we have moved away from the black and white analysis of our surroundings and into a direct understanding of our interactions within the world. We must make choices rather than allowing the world to make choices for us, you feel?
on Destiny's observation that people agreeing with him on his past views on the allowance of the use of racial slurs being bigoted, im of the mindset that racial slurs are fine so long as you are not using them to denigrate other people based on race. my position on this doesnt change at all when it happens to be to the determent of white people, which im a part of. maybe this isnt significant because the one exception of me doesnt meaningfully effect his position on this, but i dont think everyone who is in favor of the more liberal use of racial slurs are all too emotional and tribal to avoid being hypocritical when it comes to slurs about their race. #NotAll also, to the notion that there are basically no ways to insult a white straight man, speaking as one, id say that bringing up the fact that white straight men slaughtered innumerable amounts of people in their conquests to colonize the world, nearly genocided the Native American population in horrific ways and fucking enslaved a race of people would make me feel like utter dogshit and deeply ashamed to be associated with those monsters who did this due to the color of my skin. i borderline despise my own race for what it's associated with from its past, but even still i dont want people to feel like they cant discuss these facts just because it bothers the fuck out of me. calling me a slave driver, sarcastically calling me "massuh" or calling me the equivalent of a Nazi but against Native Americans would make me feel ashamed of my race, but i wouldnt suggest that anyone avoid saying it to me if they genuinely believed it to be worth expressing. maybe im just specifically sensitive about feeling guilty for things, even things i didnt even do, and very few other white people have a problem being associated with these atrocities, but i think the real difference is that we havnt been consistently denigrated for our past based on race as much as other races have. im not sure that there is much more to this issue specifically than that.
Black culture and hood culture are too different things...people all too often conflate the two.
But at the same time its not Tyrone, Jethro, or MoonBeam's fault they have their name and it isn't right to judge a book by its cover.
@@lumbermill8588 Are you sure Jethro is a "black person" name? All the Jethro's I know are either Asian or white... then again I know a ton of people who have "x race" names who are not x race.
@@jerrickmarques8777this one went over your head.
@@lumbermill8588 yes probably
Do you think the name "Mohammed" would be more likely or less likely to be called back for an interview as compared to a name like "Michael"?
I really think it would be less likely in most cases.
If "Mohammed" is not a preferred name, why do you think that is?
Do you think its about racism? How could that be?
Islam represents 1/4th of humanity, it is possibly the most ethnically diverse religion/culture. No ethnic group makes up the majority of Muslim adults living in the US, 41% of whom identify as being white.
So is it really about racism or is it about a cultural bias towards Muslim names in a society who favor biblical names? Common sense would favor the later.
Going back to what I said earlier.
Do you think people named "Jethro" (Country folk) or "Moonbeam" (free spirits) would be preferred over the name "Michael"?
Do you think maybe Jethro, Moonbeam, and Tyrone all face the same kind of bigotry?
Isn't it more plausible people are just hating on them for the culture where they are from, that's no fault of their own, rather than outward appearance. It's not as if job applications are submitted with a passport photo. The employer has no idea what these people look like. Remember Islam has people of all races, including whites.
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when people refuse to tolerate even the mere MENTION of something they don't like
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Oh yeah, sure, that's precisely what happened. Sheltered white dudes wouldn't go and downvote something just because the entire idea of white privilege offends their delicate sensibilities.
So you too think it's real, or do you disagree with the idea that it exists and black people are oppressed?
There are too many axes of interpretation that starkly show the privilege at play; it's undeniable. Bad faith engagement and over-investment in faulty ideologies keeps people from even allowing themselves to make a fair consideration of it.
wow, debate got Destiny'd in this destroy.
An interesting thing about "You have to look at the background of why people are in the United States" and "Asian people do well because they did well in Asia and could emigrate here" is that if you break down Asian immigrants into their origin countries, the importance of background becomes even more apparent. For example most Vietnamese Americans came to the US as migrants as a result of the Vietnamese War (although a lot were also the well-off bourgeoisie feeling from communist, which lessens the discrepancy), and this can be seen as the median income from Vietnamese Americans is significantly less than Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, and many other Asian Americans.
Data Source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Other Graphics:
www.pewsocialtrends.org/asianamericans-graphics/vietnamese/
Reading through all of the racist comments is depressing.
It certainly is...
Stop Being racist against white people
MLG_ freddy_56 womp womp
It is
Maggie Paul what is? Whit privilege?
What's with the dislikes? I thought this was a pretty good talk.
Morons who cant get over a title.
Mollusco Mollusco white dudes who are in fact as snowflakey as the feminists and sjws they take cheap shots at for the entirety of their time online, except now their ideas are finally being challenged so it’s uncomfortable.
Scardor because white privilege isn’t real.
Long Dick Jones Nice, that’s a lot of substance in your comment. /s
jchc VV , terrible argument. Women are the majority. A majority of the population doesn’t translate into being the favores group in society
Actually never heard people calling for less police as a response to these police shootings. Literally never heard that before. I've only heard people advocate more and better police training.
What? How have you not heard of that? They litteraly did it in Detroit, blm claims we should do that!
no, no they didnt.
@@hansolodolo92
Do you want a link? But, before you say anything I'm not saying most black lives matters believe this but, a large part of the group does!
If there are people who want law enforcement to be completely privatized, then I'm sure there are also people who want law enforcement to be completely done away with.
Andy Davis yeah, give me proof that a large part does
This should be an uncontroversial video
This was actually a really good conversation.
Your guest did little to no research into the issue of police brutality and the relationship the black community has with the criminal justice system. BLM leaders (not randos on twitter who can just say they are a part of BLM) have always called for a reformation of the criminal justice system and the police force.
I will admit that I do not know all of the ins and outs of BLM. My impression of BLM is that they believe that the reason that African Americans are suffering in this country is because the country is systemically racist. I disagree with this notion and think it is unhealthy for the black community to tell them that their flaws are not a result of poor choices but systemic oppression. However if I was wrong or misinformed please correct me, I am always looking to learn more.
BTW I am the kid from the video
To not believe in systematic racism is to deny the history of this country. I think I see your problem. You don't want to completely blame the status of blacks in this country on racism because, as it's been sociologically proven, socioeconomic status is the more powerful determining factor when it comes to positive behavioral outcomes. I don't disagree with this. However, as Destiny tried to get across, this is... awfully simplistic. I'm working on my MPH, and something that's hammered down to us on day one is to holistically look at the communities we serve and to avoid myopic viewpoints and strategies when considering that communities problems. Centuries of slavery and decades of Jim Crow have delegated a specific race to the lower echelons of society. Because of this and a history of other discriminatory practices (see: Redlining and Voter Id Laws), race and socioeconomic status are irrevocably tied in this country. Harmful policies that exist today that target poor, urban communities will by in large hurt black communities by association. This is what is we mean by "systematic racism. Maybe there's a better word for it ("proxy discrimination ???"), but, regardless, blacks are hurt because of their association to poverty, which is due to historical racism. There are a number of sources from researches and authors more reputable than me, but one book I highly recommend reading is "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander.
Hey man I totally agree that there has been a lot of shitty things in the past that have devastated African American communities. Could you specifically name policies that exist today that continue to hurt these communities.
Again, there are no harmful policies that outright target black communities. Any policy that hurts a low-wage, working-class community will most likely by proxy hurt black people. Voting laws are an example. Whether it be in the form of Early-Voting cuts, cuts to Same-Day registration, or Voter ID laws (this is the most contentious), these policies typically hurt poor, black communities by putting more unnecessary barriers to place their ballot.
“If you’re black you will get more job opportunities” I would really LOVE for someone to explain why the black unemployment, incarceration and homeless rate hasn’t changed in 50 years?
Skull shapes, duh
@@Potatotenkopf if only we had the mighty Neanderthal gene 🙃 /s
@shallnotbeinfringed unlessuvotedem yea “pretty sure” is not actual evidence and it changed because of Obama’s policies...and when it was time for trump to make something it shit right back up...Trump does not have the political know how to do that😂 I’m tired of the delusions get off q-anon and read a book 😂😂
@@khadi7454 how do you know addition of the Neanderthal gene, wasn’t a good thing? Could it be possible that there were positives to this? There are studies that suggest so.
Paraphrased
Guy: 'Morals don't mean anything unless you can apply them'
Destiny: 'Why don't you donate your organs right now'
Guy: 'I can't apply my morals; except in utopian hypotheticals'
AMAZIN
Didn't he kind of specifically clarify the distinction between applied and transcendent morality? I don't think the distinction is without value and worth clarifying. If we say that someone who threw himself on a grenade to save his comrades committed some kind of extraordinary good, we are acknowledging that while we don't expect everyone to doing a certain act, that act IS a greater good than not doing it. This represents a different notion than saying that because we can't expect everyone to sacrifice themselves to save others, it is not the more moral act.
@@dankwarmouse6248 Sure, but then it invalidates the notion that to mean anything moral systems can only get their meaning from application. That is, it's possible to discuss the morality of things not immediately applicable to us. Like, you could be trapped in a meat eating society disincentivising non-participation in that and know what the morals are (just go with me here) while lacking the actual moral courage to perform them. The immediate application is separate from the principle. So don't go talking about the discussion of moral principles being worthless without immediate application -- then when pressed to perform said immediate application, in order to give your theories meaning, turn around and speak about the distinction of application and principle while suddenly believing the conversation didn't become automatically useless right then and there like you first believed.
“Unfortunately because of my job I don’t have time to read a lot of primary sources so a lot of my information comes from secondary sources” 🤔
Aka I’m in a white man echo chamber
Wait what's wrong with that? That's what lots of people do, it was pretty honest of him to admit to receiving filtered information.
All this means is that he's reading an article about a study rather than reading the study itself. Unfortunately, most people don't read the underlying sources of whatever article they use to justify their worldview. It's understandable though.
Things aren't fucked because rappers say the things they do, rappers say the things they do because things are fucked.
i really liked this discussion. i feel like the person on the other end was very reasonable and articulate.
I'm so pissed that this guy got even an internship at a DA office. I have 2 fucking degrees, one through my schools pre-law program, and I couldn't even get a call back. No answer from the public defender's office, nothing from any law office at all. As a matter of fact the only job I've been offered, with my 2 applicable degrees and military experience, is the cart pusher at a home depot not too far from here and a temporary position at a bleach factory. I was triggered 4:30 into this shit.
Holy shit Bryce are you serious? That sucks dude. On another note though, I literally looked at your latest video and saw you rolling a massive Spliff, maybe don't post that stuff online :thinking:
Nah man, the job apps were a few years ago. I do landscaping and it's legal where I'm at. I gave up the corporate thing for weed, basically, and I don't regret it at all.
Fair enough dude, if your happy that's all that matters.
Hey man I am the guy in the debate and I am sorry that you did not get a job at the DA's office and that you seemed to be angered by what I said. If I said anything that was blatently false I would be happy to hear about it because I have no intention of defending an incorrect position. What I can promise you is that nothing I said was at all malicious so if you want to have a productive discussion I am totally open to it.
Obesity hey, I'd love to be able to get with you about some of the falsehoods or inaccuracies throughout the video, I had a pretty sweet list going for a while, but honestly I don't think it would be a good use of time. As far as the job stuff goes, don't worry about it. I'm much happier running my business at this point, I feel like I dodged a bullet. 🔥🌲 Every day
Correction: that phd student was reported as stealing the car by a near by racist bitch and then followed by police who manhandled him he sued them I don't know if they've settled yet.
What conservatives call political correctness, everyone else calls POLITENESS!
Ohhh that is bull shit
how so
Kid I know if you’re referring to the op you can see people like Ben Shapiro make an active effort to call people what they don’t want to be called in terms of gender
i am it’s conflating trolls with conservatives. A troll says trans women aren’t really women to piss people off, but a conservative says it because they honestly disagree that they should be considered women. We can argue about that issue, but that doesn’t mean conservatives aren’t acting in good faith. They get called racists for not believing there’s a huge problem with police shootings, or transphobic for thinking chromosomes define gender, or they get called rape apologists for knowing the 1 in 4 rape statistic is bullshit.
Those are honest disagreements, but a lot of the left sees it as them trying to make people feel bad. Some people in the left also believes it’s ok to insult, or say really horrible things to people they misinterpret as being racist or sexist, etc... so then people on the right get understandably pissed off, and get pushed into actually just trying to piss liberals off to “fight back”.
The life philosophy of “don’t be a dick” would be a good thing for either side to practice these days. Stay independent man, don’t consider yourself a part of either side.
The left thinks black people are disadvantaged because of racism. The right thinks they’re disadvantaged because of culture. How can anybody really make progress when they’re both demonstrably correct, but neither will accept reality? Watch news reports from the sixties, it’s the same arguments over and over again for years. Politics is the bread and circus now.
Uh, no. No one likes political correctness. Courtesy and being polite and very different from political correctness, you seem to be living under a rock.
5:00 crack and cocaine are pharmacologically the exact same drug
but they have different ROAs
You and Selcki are both right. "Crack" is just the free base form of cocaine. Powder cocaine is technically cocaine hydrochloride (most pharmaceutical drugs are "something something" hydrochloride). Put simply, crack cocaine has the hydrochloride part removed and is the free "basic" (in the chemistry sense) form of cocaine. Crack and powder cocaine have the same effect but crack has a greater effect because you absorb much more of the drug more quickly by smoking it than would be absorbed intranasally by the blood vessels in the sinuses when you insufflate powdered cocaine.
Selkci Plum b-b-but liberal is a mental disorder
But people were free basing cocaine before the crack epidemic and were injecting it, and those charges were not as severe before the crack epidemic.
Hylucinogyn - Unless you're an addict that wants the best rush for the least money (like every fucking addict) and IVs it. Powder is just as dangerous as crack. The only reason crack is so prevalent is because the majority of it gets cooked up into crack and is more profitable.
The comments prove Destiny's points
Mollusco Mollusco you crying under multiple comments
I like this kid. I disagree with him a lot, but he seems like he still has an open mind.
cookiebandit18 he’s not wrong, white privilege is not a thing.
@@Yoshsterpalooza "Privilege" is a thing though.
@@Yoshsterpalooza It 100% is real. I think it is often a distraction to a different problem, but it is definitely a real thing. Just because lefties misuse and abuse a concept, doesn't mean the concept loses validity.
skullypit never said privilege isn’t a thing, nice straw man.
Yakub9001 The Cave Beast no it absolutely is not a thing. There is zero race based privilege in the United States. Me as an Indian American have no rights or immunities granted or taken from me for being dark brown. If u want to give me an example of a privilege anchored to race you can shoot one, Ive heard pretty much all the arguments lefties throw out, I’ve even debated my sociology professor in front of the class and she couldn’t give me an answer.
I think you should get actual black people on your forum to discuss racism in America
I wish I could, because I hear a lot of misconceptions - even from Destiny - about black communities/culture.
“You kinda hit me with the 1-2 my boy.” Lol
I'm the guy mad about the concept of "white privilege" while a very small amount of people accumulate the majority of the world's wealth.
That was productive! This kid seems to be pretty honest and genuinely interested in how to solve social problems. He's not regurgitating partisan scripts or memes or whatever.
This guy was actually pretty good
If your parents were born Black, and still had the same jobs? Well, that opens up a new set of questions, now doesn't it? Questions like: If they were born Black, would they even still *have* those jobs? Would they have even had the opportunity to *get* those jobs? Would they have lived in, and gone to school in, a place that prepared them for those jobs, when the opportunity to get them presented itself? Etc. Etc...To say that nothing would change about your life, had you been born Black in America, is to deliberately gloss over the myriad of societal hurdles that we all *know* exist for the Black community at large.
That is a really interesting point my dude I will have to think about that.
To be fair... I sure as hell wouldn't call Cleetus back.
Cletus McFarland is crushing it! Search TH-cam. I'd call Cletus back.
destiny nearly admitted at 46:27 that he would probably feel no remorse killing a puppy in this debate
He did
It's almost surreal hearing Destiny bring up his usual talking points, but the person he's talking to is smart and honest enough to discuss them genuinely. The kind of discussion where Destiny and the other guy are actually living in the same reality, and most of the time isn't dedicated to arguing whether racism even exists in the first place, or other stupid shit.
This guy was probably the better of destiny's guests.
Destiny gave this dude too much ground. Kid says that race is a very small factor and destiny said he didn’t disagree. Disappointed.
Yup this was an incredibly disappointing "debate." I came across Destiny a week ago or so and liked some of his debates but lost a lot of respect for him after watching this. Destiny was giving ground to and agreeing with a lot of racist bullshit. Destiny clearly has a huge blind spot here as a privileged suburban white kid who grew up with white gamer culture. I'm saying that as another privileged suburban white kid who had to confront that blind spot an (and still am).
The biggest gap I noticed is a huge lack of empathy for what it's like to grow up black, even if you're in a privileged socioeconomic class. Quite simply, you're not treated the same as the white kids even if you dress "nicely," talk "professionally," etc. A lot of people are really uncomfortable around any black person, and black people pick up on that. On top of that, if you're a black person in a higher socioeconomic class, then by definition you're going to be a small minority. Being surrounded by people who don't look like you, many of whom are uncomfortable to be around you, is not pleasant or conducive to academic success. You also have a dearth of positive role models in the dominant culture.
Oh sure, there are always the exceptions, but the vast majority of the time, blackness in media & culture is associated with poverty, crime, "ghettoness," etc. Then, to make matters worse, your blackness is a mark against you in the dating game and sexual marketplace. Everyone always gets uncomfortable when you bring this up, but yes, the fact that you wouldn't date a black girl is a sign of racism. It doesn't mean you're personally racist in a traditional sense, but the beauty standards and peer pressures that lead one to be averse to dating a black girl stem from a racist culture. People always like to say "well it's just natural to be attracted to your own race" and yet white guys go crazy for Asian girls because culturally they're seen as submissive. For me, reflecting on my attraction (or lack thereof) towards black women was what really made me start to realize I had internalized a lot of racist stereotypes.
How Destiny somehow failed to bring up any of this stuff when discussing the hypothetical of "would I be worse off if I grew up in the same socioeconomic class but was black instead" is mind-blowing to me, and I can only conclude that he just hasn't thought that much about what it would be like to be black, or seriously interrogated some of his own racism that he absorbed from white culture.
Disliked for only having 40-50 FPS in game.
i'm from philly, condoms are freely available but not all bc. also condoms are mostly only freely available in center city. just wanted to clarify
What game is Destiny playing in the background? I remember seeing it on Steam a long time ago but can't recall the name.
Factor.io i believe
The Factorio follows into the past
Destiny got whitewashed in this debate.
LOL meth and crack ARE NOT very similar.
He said crack and cocaine are similar.
They have similar effects meth / coke and crack is cocaine just cooked with chemicals.
I think he meant the sentencing is similar.
Completely glossed over the crack cocaine issue. This is actually very well documented. Crack cocaine sentencing is almost identical to that of crystal meth because the drugs are so similar from an addictive standpoint and a distribution standpoint. White people tend to deal in meth more and black people tend to deal with crack cocaine more, and guess what, the sentencing numbers are nigh on identical.
The most successful drug dealers from the hood are entrepreneurs. In different circumstances they could be top earners on Wall Street
thank you so much for having these kind of discussions
The recidivism is exacerbated by the private prison industry. They literally give ppt presentations on how to ensure higher recidivism for increased revenue.
extremely expensive university fees is a good way to make sure the poor stay poor, right?
Maybe if they could trust the cops they could call them instead of taking justice into their hands. There are too many cops in these low income areas, but if you’re a cop and you’re taught you’re basically at war with the community.. it’s them or you, how will you behave.
Destiny is right, when Asians first came to the United States from China, Japan and the Philippines, the best and brightest were being shipped over to work in rail roads and mines. All those talented specially selected Asians came to work slave like labor intensive jobs and were also heavily discriminated against. Yep great point.
I don't come here for level headed discussion between two reasonable people wtf
I think it's moraly okay to not sacrifice yourself for 10 people when those 10 people are already over 60 years old and you are in the 20s.
What? Who the hells been saying the solution to police brutality is less police, wtf is he talking about? I’ve seen people advocating for better police training, I personally haven’t seen anybody advocate for “less police or whatever”.
@@wxz177 BLM hasn't been asking for less police, they've been asking to be treated like, and this might seem crazy to somebody of your prestigious caliber, they're human beings. The fact that you conflate the request for human rights with the removal of police is actually quite telling. I wrote this 3 years ago, #DefundthePolice hadn't existed at that time and even that has a nuanced perspective if you approach the topic without bias, but don't worry I won't expect such a complex thinking process from you, I wouldn't want to see your head literally explode LUL..
> tfw you are happy to see Factorio because it's probably going to end up with some discussion/debate
Answer to kidney problem: for me the answer is in the act. We define the acts of murder and saving. And we see what the act is by first thinking of a non act. If a person needs a kidney to survive what happens if we do nothing, they die. Therefore the act is saving them. And in law you're not forced to save someone. Now if a woman is pregnant and does nothing does the child die or survive, in most cases it would survive so the act isn't saving it because it would have survived, so the act is murder. So by law an abortion would be murder while kidney transplant an act to save someone so they aren't equivalent. So if abortion would be illegal you don't need to worry about someone coming and trying to take your kidney xD.
Japanese received reparations from Ronald Reagan my dude...
Uhm...
The civil lib. act of '88? Yeah, that extended only to American Japanese that were interned by the US GOV. during the war?? I don't thonka that counts as a reperation, my dude. It's not like they were given reperations for anything more than their relocation, and honestly, I don't think that's the worst thing the US did to them?
They got fuckin nuked, no?
John TheIdiot thats reparations my dude! 😂
And Japanese in the US didn’t get bombed so idk how that is related to Japanese in the US.
I wish destiny would include what he’s playing in the description. If anyone knows please let me know
Factorio
if people in government considered these issues as seriously as these 2 then maybe there'd actually be some change
Really think the two of them were way to quick to put aside actual racial bias that POC face in favour of simple socio-economic factors. Didn't really get to grips with white privilege.
I really think Destiny needs to talk to an ACUTAL black person about this shit. Watching two people, who have no clue what it's like to be a poor black person in America, talk about "black culture" (AKA rap music [this is not the only facet in black culture btw]) and it's impact on us is really infuriating.
Why not hop on yourself? Or tell someone else to talk to him about it.
I think it is infuriating that blacks think they have it bad in this country especially the black super stars who still act like victims despite the fact that they are making more money than god and are worshiped by millions of followers like Jesus.
I think blacks like the fact that their communities are ran down into the shit hole. if they actually focused on being useful citizens in society then they would not be capable of playing the victim card anymore then where would their self validating self proclaimed importance come from?
you are 1000 times more likely to end up dead when you cross paths with a black than if you do with a white face.
I just want you people to go back to your homeland or for us to split the country in 2 and you make 100% of your own laws with no white people to interfere. and you can have the exact perfect dream you wish for.
you can have as many child soldiers and Ho slappin pimps you want. make as many ghettos and Detroitify as many places as you want. All I know is I don't want the most prosperous and the most free country in the world that has ever existed in over 200,000 years of human history to be completely destroyed by a bunch of idiots who can't even manage to fuck without a 10cent condom.
14:30
On that token, we had several nigerians that lived in the same dorm hall as me when I was in college and they were all from very wealthy families. Out of state/non resident tuition and fees were *extreme* at my school
Makes sense I never realized about he fees they’d have
With the "Sacrifice 1 person to save X" problem, i feel like the entire point is moot if we don't take into consideration the present and potential value of both sides. I ll take two extremes ends for the example: "A 20 year old prodigy who has just finished something super prestigious in the technology field and has a bright future ahead of himself has the choice to sacrifice himself to save 100 95 year olds living in hospice centers around the world." This one person's VALUE outweighs the 100 95 year olds both in present and potential value. This line of thinking can get really dangerous really fast and would likely be debated forever on what the "Value potentials of a person" is, but there is no logical argument that could be made in saying there isn't a difference in value from person to person.
Late to the party, but - It's not about whether socioeconomic disparity is 'more' or 'less' impactful than racial disparity. It's the fact that racial biases work as *aggravating factors* which can make the kinds of problems that socioeconomic disparity already imposes on the poor as a whole even more damaging and regularly-occurring for minorities. It makes the generational cycle of poverty even *more* near-inescapable than it already inherently is.
So, I have a weird name, doesn't keep me from interviewing, but it's eastern European.
This has aged really well
Watching this from 2023 and our boy is still repping Factorio
What if you're white but have a black name, do you still have white privilege? 🤔
Don't even start.
There are no white boys named Tayshawn. lol
Tempest Ryuno what about a white boy named Tyson?
'Tyson' doesn't sound too "black" to me.
Tempest Ryuno so if you were to read on a paper a guy named Tyson, what ethnicity would you think he is?
I don't know...it just sounds like a common name so I'd default to white, I guess.
15:33 - Chat: "All the smart, fast slaves didn't get caught"
Jeez Destiny's chat is so spicy.
35:00
lol Hell Nah...Destiny would get called the n-word every stream.
Truuee
That idea that a person's struggle might be multi-faceted - the result of their position in society, such as their bio-geographical origins ("race"), their sex, their class status, their physical appearance etc - there's a name for that. It's called intersectionality. So, a poor Black American's class status might intersect with the fact that he or she is Black. Similarly, a poor White American's class status might intersect with the fact that he or she is white.
The theory of intersectionality is a very useful one, but the anti-sjws and some sjws, without knowing what it means, have rendered it just another meaningless buzzword.
Yes, I hate the way Twitter (and all social media) has reduced some useful concepts into buzzwords, often becoming more divisive than helpful. Humans are way too complicated to put into one single category, we all have some privileges and some disadvantages. . . And it's often not easy to know about someone else's.
Here's what I think is the inherent problem with morals: morals attempt to assign an absolute value to things like "people", "puppies", "pain", "pleasure", etc. But the reality is that the value of these things is constantly in flux and contextual - never absolute. There's no way to definitively answer the question "Is it moral to sacrifice one person for X amount of people." Imagine a post-apocolyptic scenario where the one person is the last man on earth, against a million women who aren't the last women on earth. That man has more value because of the context. Realistically all we can ever hope for in a moral code is this: that it promotes decisions that maximize the total value achieved for all parties involved in any given situation. It's still an impossible task given the amount of variables at play in the universe but at least it isn't naively searching for absolutes that aren't there.
Around 1:10:00 Destiny talks about how white people cant really be made fun of. These days every insult starts with “white”. PepeLaugh
nooo twitter insult ;(
Imagine being such a loser that your little feelings got hurt because some idiot on the internet said white ppl bad
The more pressured I'd feel, the more likely I would overcome my selfishness and self-sacrifice for a million people. Like if I was being held hostage and overlooking the city of Los Angeles, and my captor told me I had to agree to let him kill me or he'd drop a nuke on the city, and he could easily prove his ability to do so. In that case, I'd probably submit, but maybe due to a feeling of helplessness more than anything.
Now if someone texted me saying, "Here's proof of my ability to drop a nuke on the city of L.A. Also, I've left a package on your front doorstep with a gun inside. If I don't have news of your suicide within 72 hours, I will drop a nuke on the city. Get moving." At that point, I wouldn't feel nearly as pressured, and my selfishness would take over. I'm not sure even my own morals would tell me what to do in a situation like that. I'd probably try to notify authorities but by no means would I do it.
Dont police the symptoms , you fix the root cause
The moral thing to do is to sacrifice yourself to save a higher number of people but it is immoral to expect and pressure people into that moral system. It doesn't really break the moral system it just makes it more realistic by allowing people a neutral choice to not have to do every moral action all the time.
It's a logical fallacy to think that because doing something immoral is immoral, not doing something moral is immoral too. Not doing something moral and selfishly protecting your own life is not immoral, however someone taking your life to do something moral is immoral. It's kinda weird maybe for some people but it's still logical.
Hi I would be up to debating with you about the idea of a minimum living wage or discussing the lives of those with learning disabilities. Your a very intelligent and well read person and I would be curious about what you think. Are you willing to talk about either or both areas?
He argues for a utilitarian point of view when Destiny asked him about the doctor scenario, but there are very good papers on why utilitarianism doesn't work and why we don't use it in our society.
1:01:18 "Sort of Confucius like I guess." ... Not at all... Confucius came up with Virtue Ethics around the same time Aristotle did... What he believed in was very different to Destiny... (It's also not really Kantian since Destiny is using the golden rule as what he is comparing his view to and while Kant's ideas end up being similar to the golden rule, Kant very strongly opposed the golden rule because "do onto others just as you would like to have them do to you" is based on what you want them to do to you... Kant didn't like that part if I recall correctly from what my philosophy prof said...)
and today on people not understanding systemic racism
I really, really wish you would turn off donation messages when you do these.
Jesus dude. Did you really post a video of yourself trying(and failing) to lift 135 lbs? If I could face palm any harder so think I'd knock the brain out of my skull.
This kid lives in Philadelphia, one of the most diverse cities in the world.what does he know about discrimination. How about the black kid that goes to an all white school. White kids want to feel your hair all the time and stare at you, do you not think he’s be discriminated or made a into a social outcasts. Race matters especially at a young age. Kids shape are reality
my god! this kid just graduated high school. wow. very sharp kid!
The RLM review of Ghostbusters 2016 is on the recommended list, coincidence?!
Crack cocaine and powered cocaine are the same exact drug.
Moved on from the drug comparison pretty quickly 🧐
That was a pretty good conversation besides conflating black & hood culture.
51:50 I know you won't answer this, Destiny, but the answer is simple: _BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL._
If it weren't illegal, don't you realize how many people would be running to the hospital right this very minute, and signing up to be tissue-typed for matches? In fact, if I hadn't survived encephalopathic hemorrhagic fever as a teenager (and thus be banned from organ donation) I probably would've done this years ago.*
And it's *NOT* because I'm some great "moral" person. It's because I didn't ask to be born, but there are people who, _if given the choice,_ would choose to be born. I'm curious how you didn't see this? 🤷🏾♀️
*Edit: If it were legal, I mean.
What is your definition of this word or concept?
Destiny: diarrhea of the mouth without answering question
Finally, a good discussion again.
This is the resume study Destiny mentions www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf. Appendix table1 has the names that are used and when compared to a list of the most common black names it appears that the names used in this study have little correlation to the names that black people actually have. www.babycenter.com/0_popular-african-american-names_10329236.bc And yes I know this isn't the best source but this was the best I could find in 5 minutes; if you know how to find the information better please share.
Also, the video with the kid getting pulled over your description of him doing nothing wrong is incorrect. he gets out of his car, the police never asked him to do this, and he is flipping the cops off. He may have very well been pulled over for the incorrect reasons but the fact is he was and he took actions that made him look hostile. If he would of just stayed in the car and didn't use crude gestores his experiance probobly would have been more peacefull.
This video seemed to be about black people more than white privilege....
A time at which DesTiny wasn't quite as woke as he is now on trans rights. How things have progressed.
Steven and buddy here could really do with talking to an actual black person about this shit
if blacks were oppressed in this country they would be doing what the Mexicans are doing just in the opposite direction.
totally beside the point but what game is this?
Factorio
23:55 wtf man that makes me so sad. Man im happy i live inn norway
Yes! I would download a house.
At 1:00:00 talking about the baby being killed for the benefit to other babies. We basically have this concession with vaccines.
Not saying I defend the guest, that definition of morals is so stupid.
If you have 1000$ and are smoking crack your going to spend that 1000$ over the course of the day or night. It’s easier to come down from powder cocaine, so your less likely to continue to spend your money on more when your just doing the powder cocaine. With crack your likely to give away all you have to keep that high going and from geeking out.
IM IN SO MUCH PAIN I WISH DESTINY WOULD READ PHILOSOPHY SO THAT HE COULD HAVE MORE INFORMED PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSIONS!!!!!!!!
It was going well until the guy said scientists can make better philosophical arguments and Destiny had nothing to say back :((( basically in modern philosophy we have moved away from the black and white analysis of our surroundings and into a direct understanding of our interactions within the world. We must make choices rather than allowing the world to make choices for us, you feel?
on Destiny's observation that people agreeing with him on his past views on the allowance of the use of racial slurs being bigoted, im of the mindset that racial slurs are fine so long as you are not using them to denigrate other people based on race. my position on this doesnt change at all when it happens to be to the determent of white people, which im a part of.
maybe this isnt significant because the one exception of me doesnt meaningfully effect his position on this, but i dont think everyone who is in favor of the more liberal use of racial slurs are all too emotional and tribal to avoid being hypocritical when it comes to slurs about their race.
#NotAll
also, to the notion that there are basically no ways to insult a white straight man, speaking as one, id say that bringing up the fact that white straight men slaughtered innumerable amounts of people in their conquests to colonize the world, nearly genocided the Native American population in horrific ways and fucking enslaved a race of people would make me feel like utter dogshit and deeply ashamed to be associated with those monsters who did this due to the color of my skin. i borderline despise my own race for what it's associated with from its past, but even still i dont want people to feel like they cant discuss these facts just because it bothers the fuck out of me.
calling me a slave driver, sarcastically calling me "massuh" or calling me the equivalent of a Nazi but against Native Americans would make me feel ashamed of my race, but i wouldnt suggest that anyone avoid saying it to me if they genuinely believed it to be worth expressing.
maybe im just specifically sensitive about feeling guilty for things, even things i didnt even do, and very few other white people have a problem being associated with these atrocities, but i think the real difference is that we havnt been consistently denigrated for our past based on race as much as other races have. im not sure that there is much more to this issue specifically than that.
Are we just going to ignore the role of the Congressional Black Caucus in crack laws?
And there already is an increased presence in black communities it doesn't work.
great debate man
25:30 lmao you haven't been to San Francisco have you?
Obviously he's never lived in San Francisco! 😄🤣😂