I think u did a great job on fixing this. I believe the home owner did a great job on trying this for his first time. Great video DP. Thank u. I've talked to people that have homes like this and they say the savings out way the cost by lots. I think when ever I build a home if they allow it in my area it will be one like this. I really enjoy watching these and all ur videos. Thank u so very much.
I'm glad you could help finish this part of the project. Thumbs up to the homeowner. Off the subject briefly, but any chance you could do as short podcast with Jerry?
Mike if I may share a thought. The other day you said you were thinking about keeping the headlights in the new fenders for Lt. Dan. I am pretty sure those fenders came off of a truck that sat much lower. I believe the reason they put the headlights in the bumper of Lt. Dan. Is to be able to get the beams focused as required by law. I think if you try to use lights in the fenders. You are going to be unable to get them adjusted correctly. Then it will be to late because you will have completed all that beautiful paint. Please try them before painting them. I would hate to see you go through all that work. Just to realize they will not work. God bless
Learn so much more when things go south than if everything went perfect. Must be why they drill every kind of disaster on a submarine. So if it happens -you'll know what to do. This was the best vid yet DP. Got to see MBTS but missed CptK!!!
Great video. The proof of a true professional is how you respond when things go sideways and how a job can be salvaged. Life isn't perfect. You were very gentlemanly with the DIY novice. With the current cost of lumber needed to frame the exterior walls, the ICF premium should be less. Framing lumber is 2.2 times more and sheathing is 3 times more where I am.
👍Thanks for the video. Seems like you saved this home owner from himself. I've watched many of the marketing vids from the different ICF makers and most do tend to encourage the DIY'er while endorsing pro install. Looking for ward to part 2 of this one.
Nice job of helping the homeowner out of a bad spot. Like others have said a lot of contractors wouldnt do that. Also for respecting the homeowner for the work he did. Basically the only ICF work I have seen is on your channel. Learned a lot. Thanks Mike.
@@ArnieD17 Yes, TH-cam is the place to go. I do not know Bondo Built but I love how DP (MIKE) operates at ANY task he takes on and that's "THOUROUGH"! From rebuilding equipment, dirt or this ICF, he gets to where it's in his blood. He becomes part of "what to do & why". Like this one, (on edit) he does VOICE OVERS telling us of something we need to know; something HE didn't feel was explained to HIS satisfaction and he would not let it go and to me, that's HUGE! Just sayin, I really cannot find fault with this guy on anything he & crew take on, seriously. Best to you! Sonny (CT)
@@ArnieD17 there are a lot of videos both pro and amateur. I try to watch all of them and this is a good one just in case I screw up something and have to recover. I watch videos on every construction method I'm considering, from stick built to ICF to SIP to tilt-up concrete wall. I think ICF is a clear winner for DIY since the price of lumber has gone up so much. The strength is unmatched except by other concrete construction but the insulation and air-tightness of casting in place with insulated forms makes it efficient, fast and less steps to complete a dried in envelope, they should practically last forever. The one I cringe at is SIPs. They are really expensive and frequently have problems because it is almost impossible to get a perfect air, water and vapor seal between panels. They look nice (at first) and the idea seems nice but the horror stories are bad. I know I could build with SIPs but I don't know if it will turn in to a disaster in 10 years. Stick built can be cheap and good and even fast if you know what you are doing but the details suck. You can't build a really well insulated and sealed wall unless you put rigid foam insulation on the exterior, then your finishes add more to the thickness so you wind up with a 12" thick wall or more, no thermal mass effect, it's weak compared to concrete, it won't do particularly well in a fire and if it is all OSB, sheet rock and cheap siding, it is going to need lots of maintenance as it ages and will probably be torn down before it reaches 100 years. Some people will say "what about spray foam?" but it is expensive, thermal bridging in your framing causes problems and there are plenty of horror stories like SIPs. There is enough info out there to come to educated decisions about a house build. The Building Science Corporation is a great resource. The Build Show has some really nice construction with neat details, the finishes and materials are often too expensive for me but I'm going to borrow techniques to adapt to my situation. There are lots of channels showing concrete and site work, everyone seems to do it a bit different...
Kudos to the homeowner for attempting it on his own, and even more kudos to him for realising when he needed to call in the pros. We all learn from our mistakes and if nobody ever tried doing something outside their comfort zone we'd all still be living in caves! You should make a video sometime on the history of ICF as a construction method and how you got started in it... also put some of the myths to bed and help educate those who criticize... just a thought. Here in Spain (and the UK) ICF is still quite rare with concrete blocks and brick being the material of choice. Would love to see some ICF projects round here👍
Holy Crap Mike... In my opinion, this is one of the absolute best videos you've put out to date. It's great watching a real pro at something do a job from start to finish. But it's priceless to get to watch a real pro at something opining on and fixing something that was started by a non pro. At least this is what has helped me the most throughout life because I've always been one to pay attention enough to learn from the mistakes of others. And not everybody is willing enough to swallow their pride and show off their mistakes. So when you do come across an individual who is secure enough in their own skin to show you what they did wrong, that kind of experience should be treated like it's solid gold. So kudos to you for what you've shown and and talked about throughout your videos and especially KUDOS to this DIYer homeowner for allowing you to put this video out. Also, this video is right on time for me because I have a set of plans in the engineering stage right now that involve a little addition to a house I purchased a little while back. I'll be adding 2 ICF extensions: an 8' x 24' cold storage under a new front porch and adding 10' to the south end of the house; basement and main floor. The wife and I plan to live in this house for a little while so we want it more to our taste. And even though I'm a retired GC (20 yrs) who has a LOT of experience with concrete, I've never touched ICF. So I'll be honest and tell you I am feeling the nerves a little bit while preparing for this little job. Anyway Mike... Keep up the great work. Your channel really is one of the better ones on YT in my opinion.
Great job narrating! With lumber prices being high ICF should gain in popularity. The price of framing with 2 x 6 walls is very close to the cost of the ICF. Have a good week!
YOU really get very involved in all you do till it's in your blood. You edit & do voice overs for your insistence of putting it all out there (not just create a video). You're an asset to TH-cam VIEWERS regardless what you take on. Equipment teardown, repair & rebuild of all sorts (like an instructor!) Oh yeah, DIRT! Hard to keep in mind your specialty since you strive for 100% in ANYTHING! Big SHOUT OUT to YOU Mr. DP! And thanks! Sonny (CT)
Been around construction for almost 50 years but never been subjected to this type of building. I would also like to see all the processes like waterproofing the exterior, finishing the exterior and interior and how that is all accomplished. I have a younger brother retiring and wanting to build to see what other options there is now days.
Looking forward to seeing the next pour video. With the cost of lumber and the added benefit of the ICF I would think this is the way to go if your building. Stay safe
Great job fixing what could easily have become a major FUBAR problem. I hope he appreciated your coming out and helping him. Especially if you have ongoing projects yourself to get done.
I'm a big fan of ICF built homes. I've seen them up close during construction and have been in them after the families have moved in. The heating and cooling cost alone is a huge plus and the wind and fire safety is an added bonus. Now, factor in the higher cost of lumber...it's a win in my opinion. The technology has been around longer than people realize. I was first introduced to it in 1997. Good job promoting it.
Yall are awesome I thought I accidentally was on this old house channel u could give Bob villa a run for his money lol great vidjas keep up the hard work
Very interesting video on DYI outcomes. Glad your their to help out. I had to laugh, I was watching the boys put that ICF block in upside down right off the bat. Thought that was weird, but assumed it was for straightening out the wall. And then, you mentioned it was upside down!
Mikey I learned something... I learned that I ain’t gonna try my first ICF pour within a hundred miles of a TH-cam camera! Now about ripping those blocks.. I can lend some expertise there... I’ve hit enough wire with a table saw and a chainsaw to build a hog pen. Good call to add the half inch. It’s interesting watching all your workarounds and repairs. I’m patiently awaiting the pour.
My house is ICF basement and conventional framing above. I do have an inch of foam on the exterior and the walls are spray foamed. Yes, it cost more to build that way, but its proving it's value in energy. Our total energy costs in this 1500 SF house with a 900 SF garage are less than we paid in our previous 1000 SF house where we had natural gas for heating. Here we are on a combination of Propane and electric. and we're heating the garage as well which is almost as big as our previous house. I have in Floor in the garage and basement. Couldnt do it on the main floor due to the construction of the floor unless I used Warmboard which would have added almost $20,000 to the cost. That's why we have electric on the main floor which we rarely use.
This isn't an issue where you are, but in the southeast, termites love foam. They can tunnel through it without being seen and get to the wood. We had a house outside Atlanta with dryvit stucco (basically foam with a stucco crust). During original institutions they would just run it under the dirt without a finished edge. The termites would then tunnel up the foam till they got above the foundation and ate the wood. All houses with this siding had to have it cut and sealed above ground level to keep the termites out.
I don’t know much about the ICF system, sep what I have learnt from a guy on TH-cam (yes DP), but this looks like quite an involved project for a first time user/homeowner... Good on ya Mr. Dirt Perfect, for the assist. Great video, Thank you.
If you haven't alread,y you need to get your kids "operating" the machines. My fondest memories with my Dad was when he said "you drive" -in his truck. It was about a 100ft but I have never forgot those times. (OF course I was sitting in his lap he was working the pedals.) We would go out to his work place to show us the big machines. Just a memory I just thought of. Good video. You seem to be s fine human being -humor, knows the right thing to say to the dipsticks that help you, but keeping it positive., upbeat, and productive.
When I blocks first came out we did try it an had problems with it.. But to be fair it was it's first year on the market an they have done a lot of up grades..We had a dealer/distributorship for our Wisconsin ICF forms an went back to them.. But even they had small issues at first.. we just found our system was more user friendly for custom design ( non-traditional non-square) basement on jib sites.. at first was tin galvanized coated i-beams an then they switched to plastic I beam's however with the steel you could run a wetter slump than the plastic..But any of our failures was always due to the pump hose operators in experience !! It has always been a cost factor for us.. but""" Honestly""" you are a 1000% right on the nail as to doing an ICF basement/crawlspace in today's times .. a person is truly a fool to go straight concrete/ mortar block.. only advantage is if your doing a turn an burn house but if it's a homeowner?? It will pay them dividends far over the initial cost of the ICF!!! An here in Michigan? While we only deal with 30 to 60 days of heat we deal with months of cold frigid temperatures.. For example for your followers, we did 2 identical walkout basements two-story homes 1000 foot apart.. an the deal we made, I could come back for 5 years an comparison of heating an cooling of the 2.. house A was 100% ICF where house B was not.. average cost in Winter was$1800. Vrs fully ICF A house was $450. Now that was a 5 year average.. So the math shows ICF is the only way to go expecially with rising heating/cooling cost ...Edit.. an them prices were 20 years ago
Thanks for posting ...I been waiting for this video...Great video tackling and over coming the challenges ....Very detailed and honest advice to D.I.Y.ers
Hey Mike I’ve been watching and a big fan of your channel now bout 3 or 4 years , now I’m going to get to actually help with a FOX Block, pour, my church in Rourserville Pa, is using ICF for footer walls , so I’m excited to actually see it in person and get a better idea on how it works
I would imagine the home owner was relieved to find some one who could come in and bail him out of problem that likely kept him awake more than one night. Been there done that.
Wood studs are up 200%. Concrete about the same price as it was before. Except one of the major portland manufacturers in our area had to shut down a plant so it and even fly ash are in short supply now. So prices will probably rise on it too. The point, I suspect now the cost of the finished wall assembly of wood vs ICF is alot closer, unless the ICF manufacturers are raising prices too. But I agree, the structural integrity, not to mention the thermal mass of the concrete and the rigid insulation will substantially reduce utility bills, electric, gas,.. (and even the size and cost of the heating and cooling equipment) especially if the right energy efficient windows (frames with thermal breaks, insulated glass,..) and roof insulation are installed.
I like that window buck material. I took 3/4" treated plywood and a 2x4 treated ripped on an angle and screwed the plywood to the 2x4s to make a wide keyway to lock the bucks in. It worked well, but a lot of work.
You need a "hot" wire to straighten out the foam on the walls. I've seen them used a lot in commercial work. It's between two handles and it cuts the high spots out. Not sure what they are called, but they work great.
Great video, Mike. If I were in a position to build, you have certainly shown the benefits of ICF construction. I think the foam and concrete all becomes part of the final wall, which makes me question; How do you run electrical and plumbing when the pour is complete? Guess I just don't understand the finishing part. Love your work and thanks for sharing.
Hey DP, Great job as always. Just wanted to let you know Andrew Camarata has just bought himself a tl10 and tl12 taka skid steers, interesting vid on both if you wanted to check it out. I know you have more pressing things , but just thought you might be curious. The tl10 seems to have a butt load of pushing power. Enjoy mate all the best from Australia...
When I see you do foundations, I think to myself how lucky you are that I'm not a billionaire and you don't live in my state, because you would be scratching your head in disbelief at the foundation design of my dream house. ;-)
I don’t know if we can build homes ICF style or not here in South Carolina but I’m going research on this I like the concept it seems that it would be cost effective for heating and cooling the only thing I wander about is how do they do the wire and plumbing once it’s ready.
Reinforced poured concrete what psi and a stiff pour shaked..and baked it gets warm in the form the rebar is what galvanized or not it's rusting and palling hurts the cement fiber optic rejected cables hold it but no palling ,do you have to deal with a lot of the same damage as a road bridge? Can you use courrogated Dec and truss for floors and flat roofing with radiant heat ? Can you run utilities in the walls with conduit pipe.? Would like to know what you think about aircrete on interior walls.Fit and finish can be creative and sell to the people who buy homes conventional building.?
We have an above grade ICF Tornado Shelter. 12" walls and 12" top that is a monolithic pour. Tested it twice, first was an EF2 and second was 140 mph straight line winds for 45 minutes . Biggest problem we had was our ears popped when the pressure changed quick.
The walls would be difficult to be damaged. The weak points would be windows, doors, and the roof. I live in Jefferson county Alabama. I've seen the damage done by everything from straight line to EF5 tornadoes. A few years ago we had an EF 5 that came through, over a mile wide, it sucked up concrete drives, cinder block below grade basements, the lids and contents of below ground septic tanks. TH-cam has videos of the most deadly of the April 2011 outbreak. In other words, as another person said, a good well.buried storm shelter can't be beat, you can never underestimate the power of tornadoes.
Good Morning Mr DP, Arron and Several Matt's.. When I see you cutting the ICF wall the 1st thing I'm thinking these guys can work in a butcher shop...🤣🤣❤ ... Eish What happened to your finger that its taped up?
He was all 'G' in my book. Called the correct man & his crew to repair the job. 👍👏👏 I had to make a comment.. since you were busy. Today after seeing a sign that read 'SIDEWALK CLOSED; USE OTHER SIDE'. ➡️ OK, I did. However, at the other side was another sign that read 'SIDEWALK CLOSED; USE OTHERSIDE' ➡️ 🤔 ?Was I to stand in the middle of the road till someone removed a sign ? Or driven 1/2 mile to the store.
No guard on the saw. Ummmm I gonna tell! I like how gentle you were with the homeowner with your constructive criticism while praising him for what he accomplished and his being a noob with only book "lurning" so to speak yet no formal training. You actually do a really good job of explaining what you do in your videos considering what he was able to accomplish. I was wondering what the green stuff was, LOL. Now you have me wondering how many blowouts you had on pour day.
I have found human error in concrete placing has almost always been a main factor in failure of form work! There is such a thing as knowledge and experience.... you need people that care and can keep there mind on work with great leadership! Concrete is heavy work, there’s a lot going on. People can get seriously hurt! It’s funny to me, people don’t go to McDonald’s to have heart surgery! Cred to the gentleman for giving it a go ..... but this could have gone south in a big hurry in a lot of ways. Tell it like it is! B4 u jump in may get some experience b4 u take those risks! IF ITS ON YOU TUBE IT MUST BE EASY....lol!😂 Nice job bailing him out, says something about how humble you are in certain ways😜😎👍.
here 50 cent question for roof system and wall with cabinets -bath ,,did he get building SQ ? and level at the top, those bows and waves are going show on finish ,,and DBL show if finish gloss
I'm an owner/builder in Canada doing my first ICF home this summer. I'm doing ICF from the foundation to the rafters with an 8'' to 6'' inch transition..... There must be a way to do this transition without having to worry about waves. -2'' blocking behind the bracing. -extra strapping on the outside -2'' blocking at the transition that is strapped to the 8'' row? any good videos on this?
If I ever end up building, I want to build an ICF house. You guys make it look so easy! So did the home owner just not adjust the bracing during the pour?
It's awesome you were able to help this guy out and not belittle him for trying. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Great video. #DirtPerfectRules
Kudos for helping out a homeowner/first time ICF installer. Where I am, contractors shy away because they are unaware of foundation issues!
You and your crew did well to rectify the problems for the homeowner, he did well to recognise the problems and ask for assistance. 👍👏
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Alex... it’s a smart man who can swallow his pride and bare his mistakes to a pro.... not to mention the Whole TH-cam World!
Dirt Perfect to the rescue,awesome to help out the home owner trying to do his own work. But he was in over his head,That,s why he called you guys in.
Great of you to help a home owner who did the first on his own!!
Mike I love this kind of video. It helps me to understand how and why you do things that way. Keep up the good work
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You make it look so easy Mike. Great job hooking up the guy.
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I think u did a great job on fixing this. I believe the home owner did a great job on trying this for his first time. Great video DP. Thank u. I've talked to people that have homes like this and they say the savings out way the cost by lots. I think when ever I build a home if they allow it in my area it will be one like this. I really enjoy watching these and all ur videos. Thank u so very much.
I'm glad you could help finish this part of the project. Thumbs up to the homeowner. Off the subject briefly, but any chance you could do as short podcast with Jerry?
Mike if I may share a thought. The other day you said you were thinking about keeping the headlights in the new fenders for Lt. Dan. I am pretty sure those fenders came off of a truck that sat much lower. I believe the reason they put the headlights in the bumper of Lt. Dan. Is to be able to get the beams focused as required by law. I think if you try to use lights in the fenders. You are going to be unable to get them adjusted correctly. Then it will be to late because you will have completed all that beautiful paint. Please try them before painting them. I would hate to see you go through all that work. Just to realize they will not work. God bless
Looks like you have conquered the ICF jigsaw puzzle on this job. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Learn so much more when things go south than if everything went perfect. Must be why they drill every kind of disaster on a submarine. So if it happens -you'll know what to do. This was the best vid yet DP. Got to see MBTS but missed CptK!!!
Great video. The proof of a true professional is how you respond when things go sideways and how a job can be salvaged. Life isn't perfect. You were very gentlemanly with the DIY novice.
With the current cost of lumber needed to frame the exterior walls, the ICF premium should be less. Framing lumber is 2.2 times more and sheathing is 3 times more where I am.
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👍Thanks for the video. Seems like you saved this home owner from himself. I've watched many of the marketing vids from the different ICF makers and most do tend to encourage the DIY'er while endorsing pro install. Looking for ward to part 2 of this one.
Nice job of helping the homeowner out of a bad spot. Like others have said a lot of contractors wouldnt do that. Also for respecting the homeowner for the work he did. Basically the only ICF work I have seen is on your channel. Learned a lot. Thanks Mike.
There are tons of videos on UTUBE of how to do ICF. One of the more recent and good series is done by Bondo Built.
So are you saying mine suck 🤔
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@@ArnieD17 Yes, TH-cam is the place to go. I do not know Bondo Built but I love how DP (MIKE) operates at ANY task he takes on and that's "THOUROUGH"! From rebuilding equipment, dirt or this ICF, he gets to where it's in his blood. He becomes part of "what to do & why". Like this one, (on edit) he does VOICE OVERS telling us of something we need to know; something HE didn't feel was explained to HIS satisfaction and he would not let it go and to me, that's HUGE! Just sayin, I really cannot find fault with this guy on anything he & crew take on, seriously. Best to you! Sonny (CT)
@@ArnieD17 there are a lot of videos both pro and amateur. I try to watch all of them and this is a good one just in case I screw up something and have to recover.
I watch videos on every construction method I'm considering, from stick built to ICF to SIP to tilt-up concrete wall. I think ICF is a clear winner for DIY since the price of lumber has gone up so much. The strength is unmatched except by other concrete construction but the insulation and air-tightness of casting in place with insulated forms makes it efficient, fast and less steps to complete a dried in envelope, they should practically last forever. The one I cringe at is SIPs. They are really expensive and frequently have problems because it is almost impossible to get a perfect air, water and vapor seal between panels. They look nice (at first) and the idea seems nice but the horror stories are bad. I know I could build with SIPs but I don't know if it will turn in to a disaster in 10 years. Stick built can be cheap and good and even fast if you know what you are doing but the details suck. You can't build a really well insulated and sealed wall unless you put rigid foam insulation on the exterior, then your finishes add more to the thickness so you wind up with a 12" thick wall or more, no thermal mass effect, it's weak compared to concrete, it won't do particularly well in a fire and if it is all OSB, sheet rock and cheap siding, it is going to need lots of maintenance as it ages and will probably be torn down before it reaches 100 years. Some people will say "what about spray foam?" but it is expensive, thermal bridging in your framing causes problems and there are plenty of horror stories like SIPs.
There is enough info out there to come to educated decisions about a house build. The Building Science Corporation is a great resource. The Build Show has some really nice construction with neat details, the finishes and materials are often too expensive for me but I'm going to borrow techniques to adapt to my situation. There are lots of channels showing concrete and site work, everyone seems to do it a bit different...
Kudos to the homeowner for attempting it on his own, and even more kudos to him for realising when he needed to call in the pros. We all learn from our mistakes and if nobody ever tried doing something outside their comfort zone we'd all still be living in caves! You should make a video sometime on the history of ICF as a construction method and how you got started in it... also put some of the myths to bed and help educate those who criticize... just a thought. Here in Spain (and the UK) ICF is still quite rare with concrete blocks and brick being the material of choice. Would love to see some ICF projects round here👍
Holy Crap Mike... In my opinion, this is one of the absolute best videos you've put out to date. It's great watching a real pro at something do a job from start to finish. But it's priceless to get to watch a real pro at something opining on and fixing something that was started by a non pro. At least this is what has helped me the most throughout life because I've always been one to pay attention enough to learn from the mistakes of others. And not everybody is willing enough to swallow their pride and show off their mistakes. So when you do come across an individual who is secure enough in their own skin to show you what they did wrong, that kind of experience should be treated like it's solid gold. So kudos to you for what you've shown and and talked about throughout your videos and especially KUDOS to this DIYer homeowner for allowing you to put this video out.
Also, this video is right on time for me because I have a set of plans in the engineering stage right now that involve a little addition to a house I purchased a little while back. I'll be adding 2 ICF extensions: an 8' x 24' cold storage under a new front porch and adding 10' to the south end of the house; basement and main floor. The wife and I plan to live in this house for a little while so we want it more to our taste. And even though I'm a retired GC (20 yrs) who has a LOT of experience with concrete, I've never touched ICF. So I'll be honest and tell you I am feeling the nerves a little bit while preparing for this little job.
Anyway Mike... Keep up the great work. Your channel really is one of the better ones on YT in my opinion.
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Looks real good and when it comes to tornados, I think ICF wins all contests. Where you win is in saving stripping and cleaning pans.
Great job narrating! With lumber prices being high ICF should gain in popularity. The price of framing with 2 x 6 walls is very close to the cost of the ICF. Have a good week!
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YOU really get very involved in all you do till it's in your blood. You edit & do voice overs for your insistence of putting it all out there (not just create a video). You're an asset to TH-cam VIEWERS regardless what you take on. Equipment teardown, repair & rebuild of all sorts (like an instructor!) Oh yeah, DIRT! Hard to keep in mind your specialty since you strive for 100% in ANYTHING! Big SHOUT OUT to YOU Mr. DP! And thanks! Sonny (CT)
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Been around construction for almost 50 years but never been subjected to this type of building. I would also like to see all the processes like waterproofing the exterior, finishing the exterior and interior and how that is all accomplished. I have a younger brother retiring and wanting to build to see what other options there is now days.
Awesome work Mike
Great video, it’s hard to pickup someone else’s job. Thanks for sharing. Kevin
If you don't have problems everyone would be doing it. I'm glad you show your mistakes and what you have learned from years of installing.
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Looking forward to seeing the next pour video. With the cost of lumber and the added benefit of the ICF I would think this is the way to go if your building. Stay safe
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Managed to catch me before I left. Was waiting to see this one 👍
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I will say it again. I love your ICF videos, great job!!
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Great job fixing what could easily have become a major FUBAR problem.
I hope he appreciated your coming out and helping him.
Especially if you have ongoing projects yourself to get done.
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I'm a big fan of ICF built homes. I've seen them up close during construction and have been in them after the families have moved in. The heating and cooling cost alone is a huge plus and the wind and fire safety is an added bonus. Now, factor in the higher cost of lumber...it's a win in my opinion. The technology has been around longer than people realize. I was first introduced to it in 1997. Good job promoting it.
Good morning Mike, looking great. I really like the way you explained things. Thank you for taking the time to video
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First time seeing u pour a second story on a house looks good
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This construction is not the worst you have saved.
I remember an earlier one that was a little harder.
Yall are awesome I thought I accidentally was on this old house channel u could give Bob villa a run for his money lol great vidjas keep up the hard work
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Very interesting video on DYI outcomes. Glad your their to help out. I had to laugh, I was watching the boys put that ICF block in upside down right off the bat. Thought that was weird, but assumed it was for straightening out the wall. And then, you mentioned it was upside down!
Glad you were able to help
Wish we could call and talk to you about ICF stuff... No one does it here. Or knows much on it. Great video sir!
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I watch your TH-cam channel and others to educate myself so that I can form opinions. Ps thanks for the videos keep up the good work 👍
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Mikey I learned something... I learned that I ain’t gonna try my first ICF pour within a hundred miles of a TH-cam camera!
Now about ripping those blocks.. I can lend some expertise there... I’ve hit enough wire with a table saw and a chainsaw to build a hog pen. Good call to add the half inch.
It’s interesting watching all your workarounds and repairs. I’m patiently awaiting the pour.
DP go easy on your team, 1st day your cranky. But boy lots of work, you differently need DP that knows what to look for as you proceed 👍🇺🇸
Love your videos. Can’t wait to see the pour video for this job.
It's like me and beekeeping after 14 years of experience shore helps to have the understanding of what is going on. 😆🤣😂 lol
I used pollysteel forms to do our basement 20 years ago still love the savings. Wish I had the bracing system back then.
My house is ICF basement and conventional framing above. I do have an inch of foam on the exterior and the walls are spray foamed. Yes, it cost more to build that way, but its proving it's value in energy. Our total energy costs in this 1500 SF house with a 900 SF garage are less than we paid in our previous 1000 SF house where we had natural gas for heating. Here we are on a combination of Propane and electric. and we're heating the garage as well which is almost as big as our previous house. I have in Floor in the garage and basement. Couldnt do it on the main floor due to the construction of the floor unless I used Warmboard which would have added almost $20,000 to the cost. That's why we have electric on the main floor which we rarely use.
Great informational video DP ! Your the man !
Looking forward to the pour video.
This isn't an issue where you are, but in the southeast, termites love foam. They can tunnel through it without being seen and get to the wood.
We had a house outside Atlanta with dryvit stucco (basically foam with a stucco crust). During original institutions they would just run it under the dirt without a finished edge. The termites would then tunnel up the foam till they got above the foundation and ate the wood. All houses with this siding had to have it cut and sealed above ground level to keep the termites out.
I Think they make borax infused foam just for that reason. You can also treat the backfill.
@@FJB2020 thanks for the information. I hadn't seen that foam product before.
Great vid. You don’t hire a professional to handle things when times are good. A true professional shows their colors when things go south.
I don’t know much about the ICF system, sep what I have learnt from a guy on TH-cam (yes DP), but this looks like quite an involved project for a first time user/homeowner...
Good on ya Mr. Dirt Perfect, for the assist.
Great video,
Thank you.
Very true!
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Very informative sir thanks for sharing have a great day and stay safe out there
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If you haven't alread,y you need to get your kids "operating" the machines. My fondest memories with my Dad was when he said "you drive" -in his truck. It was about a 100ft but I have never forgot those times. (OF course I was sitting in his lap he was working the pedals.) We would go out to his work place to show us the big machines. Just a memory I just thought of. Good video. You seem to be s fine human being -humor, knows the right thing to say to the dipsticks that help you, but keeping it positive., upbeat, and productive.
Yup have a few videos with them
That table saw was surprisingly calming
Great video 👍 Would having a staggered ends on icf make for a better interlock just a thought I congratulate the home owner on trying icf on his own!
Hmm not possible but ok
If lumber prices keep going like they are ICF is gonna get more and more popular
When I blocks first came out we did try it an had problems with it.. But to be fair it was it's first year on the market an they have done a lot of up grades..We had a dealer/distributorship for our Wisconsin ICF forms an went back to them.. But even they had small issues at first.. we just found our system was more user friendly for custom design ( non-traditional non-square) basement on jib sites.. at first was tin galvanized coated i-beams an then they switched to plastic I beam's however with the steel you could run a wetter slump than the plastic..But any of our failures was always due to the pump hose operators in experience !! It has always been a cost factor for us.. but""" Honestly""" you are a 1000% right on the nail as to doing an ICF basement/crawlspace in today's times .. a person is truly a fool to go straight concrete/ mortar block.. only advantage is if your doing a turn an burn house but if it's a homeowner?? It will pay them dividends far over the initial cost of the ICF!!! An here in Michigan? While we only deal with 30 to 60 days of heat we deal with months of cold frigid temperatures.. For example for your followers, we did 2 identical walkout basements two-story homes 1000 foot apart.. an the deal we made, I could come back for 5 years an comparison of heating an cooling of the 2.. house A was 100% ICF where house B was not.. average cost in Winter was$1800. Vrs fully ICF A house was $450. Now that was a 5 year average.. So the math shows ICF is the only way to go expecially with rising heating/cooling cost ...Edit.. an them prices were 20 years ago
God bless you, your an artist at heart ♥️ 💯%🏴☠️🎥👍🏻❤️
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I like the ICF walls. Less storm damage to homes during big wind events. Easy to build in safe room for tornadoes.
alick tricks getting that wall back for him.he did a pretty good job for the first time
Thanks for posting ...I been waiting for this video...Great video tackling and over coming the challenges ....Very detailed and honest advice to D.I.Y.ers
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There’s a lot that goes into that , I wouldn’t even know where to begin lol , great video man 😎
Hey Mike I’ve been watching and a big fan of your channel now bout 3 or 4 years , now I’m going to get to actually help with a FOX Block, pour, my church in Rourserville Pa, is using ICF for footer walls , so I’m excited to actually see it in person and get a better idea on how it works
Awesome good luck
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I would imagine the home owner was relieved to find some one who could come in and bail him out of problem that likely kept him awake more than one night. Been there done that.
That's why I'm planning on having you do my house.
Great video Mike 🇺🇲
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Wood studs are up 200%. Concrete about the same price as it was before. Except one of the major portland manufacturers in our area had to shut down a plant so it and even fly ash are in short supply now. So prices will probably rise on it too. The point, I suspect now the cost of the finished wall assembly of wood vs ICF is alot closer, unless the ICF manufacturers are raising prices too.
But I agree, the structural integrity, not to mention the thermal mass of the concrete and the rigid insulation will substantially reduce utility bills, electric, gas,.. (and even the size and cost of the heating and cooling equipment) especially if the right energy efficient windows (frames with thermal breaks, insulated glass,..) and roof insulation are installed.
Good thing they called in your eagle eye to spot the problems and have the knowledge to make it right again.
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Another great video ! Thank you !
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I like that window buck material. I took 3/4" treated plywood and a 2x4 treated ripped on an angle and screwed the plywood to the 2x4s to make a wide keyway to lock the bucks in. It worked well, but a lot of work.
You need a "hot" wire to straighten out the foam on the walls. I've seen them used a lot in commercial work. It's between two handles and it cuts the high spots out. Not sure what they are called, but they work great.
thanks for the explaining video Mike
Whats not to like about ICF? if i win the lottery my dream house will be ICF. 10/10 for helping someone with ambition out
Great Video! Stay Safe Guys!
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Great video, Mike. If I were in a position to build, you have certainly shown the benefits of ICF construction.
I think the foam and concrete all becomes part of the final wall, which makes me question;
How do you run electrical and plumbing when the pour is complete? Guess I just don't understand the finishing part.
Love your work and thanks for sharing.
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25:45 great tip!
Very nice job 👍❤️🙂🙃
Interesting video Mike. Thanks!
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Hey dirt perfect get some Diablo saw blades. They will cut right through that metal.
Yes DP, us that live in CAnada are the Largest Lumber/Pulp and Paper industry in the world.
Hey DP, Great job as always. Just wanted to let you know Andrew Camarata has just bought himself a tl10 and tl12 taka skid steers, interesting vid on both if you wanted to check it out. I know you have more pressing things , but just thought you might be curious. The tl10 seems to have a butt load of pushing power. Enjoy mate all the best from Australia...
When I see you do foundations, I think to myself how lucky you are that I'm not a billionaire and you don't live in my state, because you would be scratching your head in disbelief at the foundation design of my dream house. ;-)
Great video.but I have questions about common splices.🤔
Ok what
I always Learn more and more about building
I don’t know if we can build homes ICF style or not here in South Carolina but I’m going research on this I like the concept it seems that it would be cost effective for heating and cooling the only thing I wander about is how do they do the wire and plumbing once it’s ready.
I wouldn't have done it that way. BUT, I wasn't there and it ain't my money or time. Great video, amazing how you even show ya flaws.
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Lol ok thanks for watching
As I see framing packages go up by 40k in our area I can’t believe ICF would be any more expensive.
Reinforced poured concrete what psi and a stiff pour shaked..and baked it gets warm in the form the rebar is what galvanized or not it's rusting and palling hurts the cement fiber optic rejected cables hold it but no palling ,do you have to deal with a lot of the same damage as a road bridge? Can you use courrogated Dec and truss for floors and flat roofing with radiant heat ? Can you run utilities in the walls with conduit pipe.? Would like to know what you think about aircrete on interior walls.Fit and finish can be creative and sell to the people who buy homes conventional building.?
I like the grooves in the bucks. But. Concrete hates everything.
How many years will it last in direct contact with concrete?
With the outbreak of Tornados in the Southern States my question is how would a ICF home hold up if it was in a storm of that sort?
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Go watch some videos of the 2x4 canons versus framed, concrete block, and poured concrete walls.
We have an above grade ICF Tornado Shelter. 12" walls and 12" top that is a monolithic pour.
Tested it twice, first was an EF2 and second was 140 mph straight line winds for 45 minutes .
Biggest problem we had was our ears popped when the pressure changed quick.
The walls would be difficult to be damaged. The weak points would be windows, doors, and the roof.
I live in Jefferson county Alabama.
I've seen the damage done by everything from straight line to EF5 tornadoes. A few years ago we had an EF 5 that came through, over a mile wide, it sucked up concrete drives, cinder block below grade basements, the lids and contents of below ground septic tanks. TH-cam has videos of the most deadly of the April 2011 outbreak.
In other words, as another person said, a good well.buried storm shelter can't be beat, you can never underestimate the power of tornadoes.
Good Morning Mr DP, Arron and Several Matt's.. When I see you cutting the ICF wall the 1st thing I'm thinking these guys can work in a butcher shop...🤣🤣❤ ... Eish What happened to your finger that its taped up?
That seems like a pain to fix good job on the walls
He was all 'G' in my book. Called the correct man & his crew to repair the job. 👍👏👏
I had to make a comment.. since you were busy.
Today after seeing a sign that read 'SIDEWALK CLOSED; USE OTHER SIDE'. ➡️
OK, I did.
However, at the other side was another sign that read 'SIDEWALK CLOSED; USE OTHERSIDE' ➡️
🤔 ?Was I to stand in the middle of the road till someone removed a sign ?
Or driven 1/2 mile to the store.
Thank you and everyone for listening!
No guard on the saw. Ummmm I gonna tell!
I like how gentle you were with the homeowner with your constructive criticism while praising him for what he accomplished and his being a noob with only book "lurning" so to speak yet no formal training. You actually do a really good job of explaining what you do in your videos considering what he was able to accomplish. I was wondering what the green stuff was, LOL. Now you have me wondering how many blowouts you had on pour day.
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I have found human error in concrete placing has almost always been a main factor in failure of form work!
There is such a thing as knowledge and experience.... you need people that care and can keep there mind on work with great leadership! Concrete is heavy work, there’s a lot going on. People can get seriously hurt! It’s funny to me, people don’t go to McDonald’s to have heart surgery!
Cred to the gentleman for giving it a go ..... but this could have gone south in a big hurry in a lot of ways.
Tell it like it is! B4 u jump in may get some experience b4 u take those risks! IF ITS ON YOU TUBE IT MUST BE EASY....lol!😂
Nice job bailing him out, says something about how humble you are in certain ways😜😎👍.
Burn... by the new guy! LOL "Trying to put Michael out of business". He's starting his ICF business tomorrow. haha
Lol good luck to him
Hi Mike, what’s with the electrical tape on your ring finger, you know they make Band aides.
here 50 cent question for roof system and wall with cabinets -bath ,,did he get building SQ ? and level at the top, those bows and waves are going show on finish ,,and DBL show if finish gloss
I'm an owner/builder in Canada doing my first ICF home this summer. I'm doing ICF from the foundation to the rafters with an 8'' to 6'' inch transition..... There must be a way to do this transition without having to worry about waves. -2'' blocking behind the bracing. -extra strapping on the outside -2'' blocking at the transition that is strapped to the 8'' row? any good videos on this?
Sorry just seen this but yes I have a few
Shouldn't there be a control joint there where your splice goes continuously up the wall?
No
Concrete does not splice there just the form
Have you ever tried the steel demon blades by Diablo for ripping the block where the hinge is?
Yup
If I ever end up building, I want to build an ICF house. You guys make it look so easy! So did the home owner just not adjust the bracing during the pour?
Answer please! :)
No more than just that