nah, maybe if he'd said it about Bach, or even Strauss.... but every knows Schoenberg is a clunk of thud fucks, and FAR less mysterious than Webern... Although the Gurrelieder intro is truly gorgeous
Very interesting conversation and performance! Menuhin and even Gould seem to have had reservations about this music -- yet they played it, and played it very well, at a time when it was by no means part of the "standard" repertoire. That is one reason they were great masters.
Rather rarefied atmosphere in which Gould and Menuhin discuss musical realities... We get the benefit of listening and pocketing otherwise unrecognized ideas.... even more rarefied in the arena of their collaboration. Very memorable, Thank You!
Christine Walsh Glenn Gould does a better job grounding an esoteric subject better than anyone I have ever heard in any higher field, physics, mathematics, jazz, economics, cosmology, etc.
Gould is all in. Menuhin is reading the music. Schoenberg you need to understand intellectually and emotionally, throw all to the wind and absorb and play. That is Gould. This reminds me of singing Wozzeck
Today was my first time listening to this composition, there is something about 12 tone music that is so wonderful.This has now become one of my favourite pieces of music.
Schoenberg's compositions are usually not mellifluous as he intentionally challenged typical harmonic norms. In a sense, he was pushing the harmonic envelope. It opened the door for then unknown possibilities of communicating emotions harmonically.
Glenn had TV shows. Like, shit-tons of them, over decades. And he'd have Menuhin on, and they'd play some late Schoenberg for the Canadian folks. When there were like three channels. Andras Schiff could have TV shows. Or someone. We can't have nice things anymore.
Glenn never lost his enthusiasm for new music. He made recordings of Sibelius, Schoenberg, Krenek and dozens of other "modern" composers. Not just Bach's Goldberg Variations. This concert comes from DVD4 (where is is mislabeled as Webern) of the 10-DVD set Glenn Gould on Television. The Complete CBC Broadcasts 1954-1977
Gould wasn’t just technically and artistically a genius. He had the most interesting repertoire too. I think Menuhin would have played anything as long as Gould was accompanying.
@@esharp13 GG with his perfect pitch and his extraordinary 'memory' of musical scores. One never sees GG playing live with a score, never. Even recording in studios he never used the score - at least not that I've ever seen.
Wonderful. The conversation and the playing. Menuhin doesn't really appreciate Schoenberg but he give us a great interpretation. Glenn... an absolute genious or what?
So great despite Yehudi’s reservations which seem immense when discussing this music. And actually many of the harmonies are emotional and quite beautiful and somehow correct. What a journey. Such exploration; how rich in tone, timbre and pitch - truly a joy!
It’s so curious if you look at their eyes it looks like both are looking for some sort of meaning behind the sounds they are playing, Glenn certainly looks like he is searching for something, what could it be? Divinity?, they are both traveling to other worlds while playing Schoenberg.
Было приятно узнать, что отец Иегуди Менухина родом из Белоруссии, из Гомеля, моего родного города. Таки, земляки! 😁. И какое удовольствие слушать рассуждения этих блистательных музыкантов - просто песня! После их беседы Фантазия Шенберга стала понятнее для меня, слушаю ее в особенном настроении, не часто.
Its likely he had a photographic memory, he would play pieces perfectly after reading them, pieces he had never heard played before. My grandma's cousin could do the same with books, it's not necessarily supernatural but it is an incredible gift none the less. All musicians quickly develop muscle memory of pieces as well, and after enough practice, you can easily pull it off.
Сегодня первый раз услушала Фантазию, чтобы узнать, какое откровение снизошло на Менухина в дуэте с Гульдом. Я оказалась менее подготовленной, чем Менухин..😳.. Буду слушать ещё. Мое впечатление: если бы Кафка мог писать музыку, он сочинил бы что-то в этом роде)).
Реально "Замок" Кафки представляю. Для этой музыки настроение должно быть соответствующее, и вот у меня как раз такое. Плюс парфюм Chanel "Cuir de Russie" - и это оно. Это Шенберг, детка! Это вам не Моцарт. Ай да Гульд, ай да Менухин! Таки, приобщили)) 🔥
General consensus that ‘Pierrot Lunaire’ is a masterpiece, and gets done with some frequency. There are other pieces of course but that one springs to mind.
I adore Gould. And from what little I read of Menuhin, he virtually made kindness and curiosity into a philosophy. I'm going to obsess over him once I'm done with Gould.
"i always had the motto of my life, that anyone who liked something, knew more about it than one who didn't"
Золотые слова! 💛
Very provocative quote. Imagine how harmonious the world would be if we all subscribed to this idea.
Glenn clearly respects Yehudi very much, and the latter is so sweet and elegant
“And yet.. it’s curiously clumsy” shatters Gould’s heart to a million pieces
nah, maybe if he'd said it about Bach, or even Strauss.... but every knows Schoenberg is a clunk of thud fucks, and FAR less mysterious than Webern... Although the Gurrelieder intro is truly gorgeous
3:55. Yehudi's life lesson for all of us.
They were both great at what they did!!!! It is an absolute pleasure y watch these 2 perform together.
Very interesting conversation and performance! Menuhin and even Gould seem to have had reservations about this music -- yet they played it, and played it very well, at a time when it was by no means part of the "standard" repertoire. That is one reason they were great masters.
and see "32 Short Films about Glenn Gould" -- we saw it in-theater
Rather rarefied atmosphere in which Gould and Menuhin discuss musical realities... We get the benefit of listening and pocketing otherwise unrecognized ideas.... even more rarefied in the arena of their collaboration. Very memorable, Thank You!
Christine Walsh Glenn Gould does a better job grounding an esoteric subject better than anyone I have ever heard in any higher field, physics, mathematics, jazz, economics, cosmology, etc.
Gould is all in. Menuhin is reading the music. Schoenberg you need to understand intellectually and emotionally, throw all to the wind and absorb and play. That is Gould. This reminds me of singing Wozzeck
two musicians on the same very high level of intellect !
Today was my first time listening to this composition, there is something about 12 tone music that is so wonderful.This has now become one of my favourite pieces of music.
Yes, there is a beauty and profound emotion to atonal music, but very few people seem to feel that. For most, it's ugly and impossible to understand
They are almost discussing on a level that I totally don't understand
Schoenberg's compositions are usually not
mellifluous as he intentionally challenged typical harmonic norms. In a sense, he was pushing the harmonic envelope. It opened the door for then unknown possibilities of communicating emotions harmonically.
@Steven Moore Interesting.
Glenn had TV shows. Like, shit-tons of them, over decades. And he'd have Menuhin on, and they'd play some late Schoenberg for the Canadian folks. When there were like three channels. Andras Schiff could have TV shows. Or someone. We can't have nice things anymore.
Glenn never lost his enthusiasm for new music. He made recordings of Sibelius, Schoenberg, Krenek and dozens of other "modern" composers. Not just Bach's Goldberg Variations. This concert comes from DVD4 (where is is mislabeled as Webern) of the 10-DVD set Glenn Gould on Television. The Complete CBC Broadcasts 1954-1977
Yehudi had the sheet music in front of him but Gould actually memorized this stuff...that is crazy !
Glen could memorize pretty much anything by reading it once. Yehudi was only an above average genius. 😂
How did Schoenberg take out things that happen in my head from time to time?
And I don't know which is more intimidating to me, Glenn having it committed to memory, or Yehudi reading it.
I don't buy it. Menuhin ended up enjoying it, you can feel it in his performance.
Gould wasn’t just technically and artistically a genius. He had the most interesting repertoire too. I think Menuhin would have played anything as long as Gould was accompanying.
"I was convinced by the musical gestures but not the notes".
Interpretation by the best compilation.
"You don't really like the Schoenberg, do you? Why?" Straight question, straight answer. Such an interesting conversation between equals.
How marvelous. And our Glenn played that entire monster with no music in front of him!... also, how beautifully the sound was recorded...
robby aceto yeah how on earth is that possible?
@@esharp13 GG with his perfect pitch and his extraordinary 'memory' of musical scores. One never sees GG playing live with a score, never. Even recording in studios he never used the score - at least not that I've ever seen.
all those metric shifts that he conducts when he has a free hand.
@Valerio wow I noticed YM music stand until I read the comments...
Okay... This is too next level.... I like it 😁
But Glen Gould's interpretation says otherwise. I was convince by both the gestures and notes.
Wonderful. The conversation and the playing. Menuhin doesn't really appreciate Schoenberg but he give us a great interpretation. Glenn... an absolute genious or what?
Supergenious 💥
so beautiful
Does anyone know where this aired and who directed it? Wonderful find...
So great despite Yehudi’s reservations which seem immense when discussing this music. And actually many of the harmonies are emotional and quite beautiful and somehow correct. What a journey. Such exploration; how rich in tone, timbre and pitch - truly a joy!
Красавчики! 🥰😘.
Глаза радуются, уши ликуют, а интеллект слушателя, соответственно, стремится ввысь от всего мероприятия. Благодарю! 🙏
Great upload, thank you so much. :)
2 magnificent people who gave us such pleasure
This is a valuable record.
Really beautiful piecce.
It’s so curious if you look at their eyes it looks like both are looking for some sort of meaning behind the sounds they are playing, Glenn certainly looks like he is searching for something, what could it be? Divinity?, they are both traveling to other worlds while playing Schoenberg.
who are you, Sigmund Freud?
Viejotrueno lol
@@JulioLeonFandinho it's spelt froid (or frawyd)
This was the only time Menuhin played Schoenberg. He did play the Berg Violin Concerto.
fascinating and so enlightening.
Было приятно узнать, что отец Иегуди Менухина родом из Белоруссии, из Гомеля, моего родного города. Таки, земляки! 😁.
И какое удовольствие слушать рассуждения этих блистательных музыкантов - просто песня! После их беседы Фантазия Шенберга стала понятнее для меня, слушаю ее в особенном настроении, не часто.
It boggles my mind how Gould was able to memorize these pieces...
He has perfect pitch lol
@@helenlin7839 how tf does perfect pitch have anything to do with memorising music???????????? Lmfao
Its likely he had a photographic memory, he would play pieces perfectly after reading them, pieces he had never heard played before. My grandma's cousin could do the same with books, it's not necessarily supernatural but it is an incredible gift none the less. All musicians quickly develop muscle memory of pieces as well, and after enough practice, you can easily pull it off.
It’s because he understands the music so he has a mental framework to put all the details in.
The only way I can listen to this composer’s music is when it's Glenn Gould playing it😰‼️
If Gould can memorize this piece; can we also photo copy it in our memory?
I'm afraid, not.. 😄
Not likely. 😂
Gould's self certainty is compelling.
before facebook, smart people roamed the earth
7:05
Сегодня первый раз услушала Фантазию, чтобы узнать, какое откровение снизошло на Менухина в дуэте с Гульдом. Я оказалась менее подготовленной, чем Менухин..😳.. Буду слушать ещё. Мое впечатление: если бы Кафка мог писать музыку, он сочинил бы что-то в этом роде)).
I am ' heretic" but not fan of Menuhin. .
This is gold!
Zappa comes to mind ☺️😊
Glen ...... Glen..... Glen .......
Tam-da-dam... All you need is Glenn... 🤩..
@@fmoll2509 Yes
@@nicholaspavlyukevich9675 😄
Реально "Замок" Кафки представляю. Для этой музыки настроение должно быть соответствующее, и вот у меня как раз такое. Плюс парфюм Chanel "Cuir de Russie" - и это оно. Это Шенберг, детка! Это вам не Моцарт. Ай да Гульд, ай да Менухин! Таки, приобщили)) 🔥
Not my cup of tea.
agnas🔥
9:30
Thanks for posting this. Arnold Schoenberg found work in Hollywood scoring music for film thrillers after WWI. Menuhin's comments were very astute.
Schoenberg never wrote a film score.
@Twentythousandlps Schoenberg did what he always did. He taught others. Being in Hollywood, it influenced film noir.
Pauvre Menuhin !!!
4:40 that analogy with hamlet with Schoenberg reminds me of the that one comparison of schoenberg being that his music was Bach on the wrong notes.
First time hearing this. Yet I’ve heard entire piece in pieces in all the Twilight Zone episodes.
7:07
Schoenberg is the Cy Twombly of music. He strips away most anything except the gestures and a hint, a faint assumption of his predecessors.
galing
Stardenburdenhardenbart
This is psychotic music!
Atonalism expresses nothing but strangeness
It's a strange world we live in.
This is the modern era
Lucky he also wrote Guerre-Lieder or we might never have heard of him.
General consensus that ‘Pierrot Lunaire’ is a masterpiece, and gets done with some frequency. There are other pieces of course but that one springs to mind.
7:03 thank me later
No
like a stray cat howling at the moon
Awkward from beginning to end (including the music). I’m no great fan of Gould, Menuhin or Schönberg. I think I’d rather go to the dentist.
At least you gave something you didn't like and never intended to like a chance.
Apparently you are suffering from a musicological abscess.
I adore Gould. And from what little I read of Menuhin, he virtually made kindness and curiosity into a philosophy. I'm going to obsess over him once I'm done with Gould.