I'm new to learning contact poi but I remember the glowstick days of the late 90's. It's great to see where and why poi has evolved. I find these types of videos very informative in my flowart journey. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
I was away for manipoi. I had been learning for a couple years already during its release but my first exposure was "brainstorming" "juggling calling" anything with his name on available media. It what changed my glowstick wrap and tether manipulation background informing into more of a mentally engaging, possibility advancing framework of more spacial and bodily awareness and more dynamic use with my prop.
Thank you, Drex. I know these types of videos take a lot more thought and editing work to make, and tend to not have the virality. However, this level of critical observation and clear communication is what moves the field (as diverse as it is) forwards. Imitation might be flattery for some, and learning to mimic others is how we've explored the world thus far. Yet doing what they did marginally better only goes so far. I feel authenticity requires more -- depth, digging, time extending the rabbit holes -- of oneself to be past the capacity for doing, and into the making. (Re: When I said you were in a different part of the map... ) you're doing the work, and it shows. Kudos.
I really, really appreciate hearing that because neither video essay I posted today did very well and it really bummed me out and made me wonder whether it's worth it to create things like this in the future. Certainly, nobody has done Cyrille better than Cyrille. There are some who've channeled other specific ideas and movements and most of them honestly own Cyrille a debt for opening up this world as he has.
I couldnt agree more on what eveyone missed with the late 2000 early 2010 poi giants - movement. The same thing happened with G (one of my biggest inspirations), everyone went crazy over plane breaking for a good while but in the same tree-rex style, whereas i was always more influenced by his reel/trace movement combos and musicality. I think a lot of this came with the shift from the European scene to the American scene. When i started many of the most influential poi artists were European - Cyrille, Thomas johansson, G, Ronan - and they all had more focus movement/dance/musicality/clean patterns. As they dropped out of the scene in the early 2010s that seemed to largely go wtih them.
First, congrats on the new? Channel? What happened to drexFactor? Second, I think that looking at this only from the perspective of poi is kinda limiting the view a bit. Multuprop artists tend to be inspired by other prop manipulators and jugglers and the french circus scene and especially circus schools push for movement and performance space heavily. You can look at circus artists before and after studying in French circus schools compared to other European (and Russian) circus school and see a noticeable difference in style and performative languages. Nit to mention the great video essay of jay Gilligan comparing European juggling with American juggling. Adding to that within the realm of poi. I think that thete wouldn't be a cyrille without Rónan and Maelle (and Rob bluecat?) and Keith Marshall and the ministry of Manipulation. (have a look again at the RomaRo video) I think that this scene and these artists influenced his vocabulary quite a lot. It was pretty apparent when we got to host Rónan and Cyrille year after year at the IJC of 2009,2010 and connect the dots between the two. As for flowers, cyrille taught me how to exit an opposite crosser in wallplane by doing an inspin flower, so I know he knows how to flower too 😉
DrexFactor still exists. In fact I posted a video essay on Cyrille there today as well: th-cam.com/video/GgP-SvCvsl4/w-d-xo.html If you're asking why the new channel exists, though, the short answer is that I've found on my original channel the past few years that when I deviate even slightly from being "the guy who teaches the tricks" and venture into the world of analyzing art or trying to create it myself, the reactions I get range from disappointment and disgust to outright rage. I created a second channel to hopefully create a space where I can release my more creative projects and have them find an audience that enjoys them. I'll confess that I am a little baffled by your feedback, though. I didn't shy away from talking about Cyrille's multiprop background in this video--there's an entire section where I discuss his work with contact juggling and iso staffs as well as his connections with broader juggling and circus traditions. If you're suggesting that any discussion about Cyrille that doesn't feature his other prop work as prominently as his poi work is incomplete, then okay, I guess I can see that...but I don't know that I'm the best person to talk about his work from those other perspectives. Someone who has more of a background within the juggling and circus scene would be a better fit there, I would think.
At first I learned from local people I knew who spun poi in the Boulder/Denver area and then I started following Nick's video tutorials. I've taken many workshops over the span of my career, but never a regular poi class. The only regular classes I've taken were Contemporary Modern Dance and several Tai Chi, Jazz, and Hip-Hop classes. If you're looking for a good place to start, check out this series I did on my other channel: th-cam.com/play/PLGRWu2f31dFXZWmlsMZJk9eueRol6n_Hg.html
@@PoiDancerDrex Thanks man, I bought pois a while ago and struggle to learn anything. I've been watching videos in slow motion to trying to mimic and understand the movements
@@sages101 Have you found Drex's Beginner Tutorials Playlist? th-cam.com/play/PLGRWu2f31dFUtd4Mj6bclxIZLXL_mzE-U.html Trying to learn from videos of people performing advanced tricks is going to be a very difficult way to get started. You need resources that are the right level for you Playpoi is also great th-cam.com/video/c6JaAhyhqfY/w-d-xo.html
I'm new to learning contact poi but I remember the glowstick days of the late 90's. It's great to see where and why poi has evolved. I find these types of videos very informative in my flowart journey. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching it!
Absolutely my favourite video you've ever made. After the history of poi.
I was away for manipoi. I had been learning for a couple years already during its release but my first exposure was "brainstorming" "juggling calling" anything with his name on available media. It what changed my glowstick wrap and tether manipulation background informing into more of a mentally engaging, possibility advancing framework of more spacial and bodily awareness and more dynamic use with my prop.
I could definitely see how those dots connect! I had friends with glowstringing backgrounds who likewise adapted a lot of Cyrille's wrap techniques.
Thank you, Drex.
I know these types of videos take a lot more thought and editing work to make, and tend to not have the virality. However, this level of critical observation and clear communication is what moves the field (as diverse as it is) forwards.
Imitation might be flattery for some, and learning to mimic others is how we've explored the world thus far. Yet doing what they did marginally better only goes so far.
I feel authenticity requires more -- depth, digging, time extending the rabbit holes -- of oneself to be past the capacity for doing, and into the making.
(Re: When I said you were in a different part of the map... ) you're doing the work, and it shows.
Kudos.
I really, really appreciate hearing that because neither video essay I posted today did very well and it really bummed me out and made me wonder whether it's worth it to create things like this in the future.
Certainly, nobody has done Cyrille better than Cyrille. There are some who've channeled other specific ideas and movements and most of them honestly own Cyrille a debt for opening up this world as he has.
Another great video thesis.
Food for thought for sure.
Glad you got a lot out of it!
This is so cool points thank you for sharing this
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it!
I couldnt agree more on what eveyone missed with the late 2000 early 2010 poi giants - movement. The same thing happened with G (one of my biggest inspirations), everyone went crazy over plane breaking for a good while but in the same tree-rex style, whereas i was always more influenced by his reel/trace movement combos and musicality. I think a lot of this came with the shift from the European scene to the American scene. When i started many of the most influential poi artists were European - Cyrille, Thomas johansson, G, Ronan - and they all had more focus movement/dance/musicality/clean patterns. As they dropped out of the scene in the early 2010s that seemed to largely go wtih them.
Nice
Thank you!
First, congrats on the new? Channel? What happened to drexFactor?
Second, I think that looking at this only from the perspective of poi is kinda limiting the view a bit. Multuprop artists tend to be inspired by other prop manipulators and jugglers and the french circus scene and especially circus schools push for movement and performance space heavily.
You can look at circus artists before and after studying in French circus schools compared to other European (and Russian) circus school and see a noticeable difference in style and performative languages. Nit to mention the great video essay of jay Gilligan comparing European juggling with American juggling. Adding to that within the realm of poi. I think that thete wouldn't be a cyrille without Rónan and Maelle (and Rob bluecat?) and Keith Marshall and the ministry of Manipulation. (have a look again at the RomaRo video)
I think that this scene and these artists influenced his vocabulary quite a lot.
It was pretty apparent when we got to host Rónan and Cyrille year after year at the IJC of 2009,2010 and connect the dots between the two. As for flowers, cyrille taught me how to exit an opposite crosser in wallplane by doing an inspin flower, so I know he knows how to flower too 😉
DrexFactor still exists. In fact I posted a video essay on Cyrille there today as well: th-cam.com/video/GgP-SvCvsl4/w-d-xo.html
If you're asking why the new channel exists, though, the short answer is that I've found on my original channel the past few years that when I deviate even slightly from being "the guy who teaches the tricks" and venture into the world of analyzing art or trying to create it myself, the reactions I get range from disappointment and disgust to outright rage. I created a second channel to hopefully create a space where I can release my more creative projects and have them find an audience that enjoys them.
I'll confess that I am a little baffled by your feedback, though. I didn't shy away from talking about Cyrille's multiprop background in this video--there's an entire section where I discuss his work with contact juggling and iso staffs as well as his connections with broader juggling and circus traditions. If you're suggesting that any discussion about Cyrille that doesn't feature his other prop work as prominently as his poi work is incomplete, then okay, I guess I can see that...but I don't know that I'm the best person to talk about his work from those other perspectives. Someone who has more of a background within the juggling and circus scene would be a better fit there, I would think.
Hey Drex, how did you learn to spin? Just repetition? Watching videos? Or did you go for classes? I wish I knew how to get started.
At first I learned from local people I knew who spun poi in the Boulder/Denver area and then I started following Nick's video tutorials. I've taken many workshops over the span of my career, but never a regular poi class. The only regular classes I've taken were Contemporary Modern Dance and several Tai Chi, Jazz, and Hip-Hop classes. If you're looking for a good place to start, check out this series I did on my other channel: th-cam.com/play/PLGRWu2f31dFXZWmlsMZJk9eueRol6n_Hg.html
@@PoiDancerDrex Thanks man, I bought pois a while ago and struggle to learn anything. I've been watching videos in slow motion to trying to mimic and understand the movements
@@sages101 Have you found Drex's Beginner Tutorials Playlist?
th-cam.com/play/PLGRWu2f31dFUtd4Mj6bclxIZLXL_mzE-U.html
Trying to learn from videos of people performing advanced tricks is going to be a very difficult way to get started. You need resources that are the right level for you
Playpoi is also great
th-cam.com/video/c6JaAhyhqfY/w-d-xo.html