Does The US Military’s New Combat Rifle Kinda Suck?
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- Today we take a look at the military’s new combat rifle, the XM7.
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Thanks for watching guys! Let me know what you think of the new Sig XM7 down here in the comments!
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Like any of the grunts are getting this gun 😂😂😂
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Hello how’s y’all doing?
The rifle that was made for penetrating body armor is being used to fight militaries that can’t afford body armor
The American civilians in question:
Dude. fuckin terrorists in the middle east were showing up with body armor. Its becoming really common.
Wasn't made for Russia or China or Isis...
It's made to be used against us, the American people.
To slaughter us.
@@RH0DI Happy little accidents, that's what we call them
@@RH0DI that's the real purpose of this thing, there's no one the us government wants dead more than law abiding us citizens
The fact that he's actually able to unironically hold up a Scar 17 as a lighter, more affordable option is just batshit insane
Making the mother of all rifles here, Jack,
Can't fret over every tax payer dollar
@@cideltacommand7169 why
Affordable is civilian talk. Our military doesn't use it if they aren't overpaying. 🤣
@@cideltacommand7169 YOOOOOO MGR REFERENCE
Weight seems pretty comparable when I look up the actual numbers.
that over-insertion problem should be a deal-breaker. imagine hitting the dirt and the mag jams your gun
Yikes, i was thinking about similar stuff. Imagine the adrenaline in you as your under fire trying to reload your rifle... are you gonna think about lightly inserting the magazine?
@@stoneyq4259some dudes even get into the habit of doing a mag check smack to make sure its seated, imagine giving it a smack and it makes it worse lmao
My only thing is, it could be easily fixed with a different mag or the one he has may be damaged. And with that said, the protrusion of the mag catch is adjustable, so it could just be that gun and is easily fixable
@@MrSnrSquishyis actually part of the training. Last thing you want is to pull the trigger and the mag falls out... I do it with pistols and rifles, and it's a very subconscious action.
@@dustyimler9163you are assuming that because the ar platform has the ability to adjust the catch. I would assume Brandon has the smithing skills to know this as well and would hope he checked it. My first impulse is that the problem is not able to be adjusted away. But I am also assuming.
This XM7 feels like our generations M14. Something based on the older gen rifle that "just worked" but will lead to some actual new development progress
Or just going back to the M4.
The m14 was a terrible rifle
@@CheekRunnerso is this one
Literally an AR-10
@@CheekRunner well yeah but it led to other, amazing rifles being invented directly due to its failure is the point.
This rifle is going to suck, but it's going to spawn something afterwards that's amazing.
That magazine lockup by far seems to be the worst thing about it.
Yea that's insane.
That's regular problem of an early construction, however the fact it somehow wasn't fixed during the trials means it either isn't an issue in correctly chambered rifles or by the second option that someone up there is disconnected or doesn't care about the troops to an insane degree. There is a third possibility that they will just issue those and wait for more problems to come out and fix all of them at once instead of making ten different versions of one rifle in the first year of usage. I would bet the third or maybe the first option, I don't even want to consider what the second option means for us and other countries under american protection.
I feel like it most likely will fix it but you can never really be sure with these things
@@Bolshevik.remover it's only for 308 cuz Brandon used ar10 plastic mag. The military version uses 277 and Sig made their own mags for it
Is there any reason to believe it might not be a problem with the .277 round (or whatever it is) mags? That's it particular to the 7.62 NATO variant?
The mag jam screams to be a major nightmare once that gun/magazine is worn down and causes it to happen especially in combat.
Good thing it won't be using ar10 mags in combat
@@casematecardinal Probably using shittier mass produced mags
So much for all those "TAP, RACK, BANG" drills..
Lancer got the magazine contract
@@2fortcow p r o m a g
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The over insertion issue: Many were trained to slap the magazine up and in, to make sure it was in and ready to go. This design will get them killed. Their mother would say that is more than "an issue". Weight is what makes a rifleman hate a rifle. That's two strikes. Field clean/adust issues make it a greasy pain in the hand, and the charging handle a pain in the pinky finger. There is only one reason the Army would consider a weapon with these three killer issues.
@JamesDevlin-ww9zj Sweet Moolah
Sucking that SIG DIG with taxpayers money
A good number of these issues will probably get fixed, like the magazine could have the part that sticks immediately underneath the magwell made much thicker, so it can't slip under, which'd be super easy to fix, just send new mags with a thicker section (they probably have already done that), and the side charging handle is the primary charging handle so it probably won't be that big an issue. Weight is a big problem, but that's hard to really talk about for any side.
That mag insert problem seems like an unacceptable thing. That’s kinda crazy to think they would send people into battle with that problem.
Sending people into battle is crazy. Full functionality isn't necessary, people are expendable.
Well, the USA did send conscripts to Vietnam with the newly adopted M16 with the wrong type of ammo, causing loads of malfunctions.
They’ll probably have a note of caution in the user’s manual like please carefully insert the magazine for we don’t want to hurt it.
@@phazonlord0098 They also lost.
@@MaggotAddict21 A gun jam can get you and your squad killed I can't believe they didn't fix this.
I think the biggest lesson I've learned from watching all of Brandon's videos is: Don't make body armor out of cans of White Claw.
Once you've emptied enough cans of White Claw to make body armor out of, you don't need the armor anymore.
sound advice.
thats a good penetration metric since everyone knows that you can go one to one on WC vs. ANTIFA
next Demolition Ranch video
There ain't no laws when you're drinking claws
the fact that you can over insert a magazine on a COMBAT RIFLE is absolutely mind blowing. Just another item on the list of things that make you go "hmmm" when you think about how a former soccom commander was given a board position on sig shortly before the contract went through for this rifle
lol
The Secretary of Defense stepped down from Raytheon's board to take the job. It's all corrupt.
You would think if he was then he would care about what his former comrades would be stuck with and could cost them severely
Even assuming - and you know what you're doing when you assume - that the magazine overinsertion (Magazine. Magazine, dammit!) issue *could* be specific to the .308 variant of the gun, there are plenty of other significant downchecks to the XM7.
It's sig, every gun they make is a beta version
That mag insertion is a deal breaker. A soldier changing mags under fire might have a little adrenaline flowing, and the weopon jams. UNEXCEPTABLE.
Hey bud... the word is unacceptable. Unexceptable ain't a thing
the original L85 (pre A1) didn't have a safety catch shroud so guys were knocking their own magazines off with their chest, we still stuck with it for about 30 years
the original L85 (pre A1) didn't have a safety catch shroud so guys were knocking their own magazines off with their chest, we still stuck with it for about 30 years
@@nigeldorkThat's pretty funny tbh
@Nobody-00000 you beat me to it 🤣
“You know the military, it’s the plan until it isn’t” that had me dying for some reason
I would think the fact you can jam the rifle just by inserting the magazine would automatically remove this rifle from contention in a war scenario. Trying to unjam your magazine everytime you reload while being shot at is a terribly sure way to end up "not alive".
yea, that's a pretty glaring flaw that should have never made it to production, let alone approval by the military. Something smells here.
It's meant for use with Lancer mags and as such have issues with other mags. It's like complaining that your 416 doesn't have "universal magazine capabilities".
@@desertedgoatgaming well i'm sure the US military will spend the money to replace all of their existing magazines with all new Lancer mags that cost about 50$ a pop. The US military has never been known to cut corners that resulted in unnecessary deaths of US troops and allies (cue exit from afghanistant).
Also i'm pretty sure Brandon used the magazine that came with the rifle which is another huge design flaw that the shipped magazine doesn't fit properly in the rifle.
@@desertedgoatgaming I'm fairly certain Brandon would've used the magazine that came with it. Seems far fetched he'd gone out of his way to disregard the supplied equipment, run out and buy a different type magazine to cause issues. Or to preempt your next argument, bought cheaper spares and didn't notice the loading issue only affected those magazines and not the original. Brandon being the thorough gun guy he is would certainly have noticed something like that and mentioned it.
@@fmrscout33 Military contracts are like 20% actual usability and performance and the rest is whoever sells it the cheapest or sucks the right guy's dick the best. This isn't the first time sig got a military contract that they really shouldn't have (p320/m17 as an example) but here we are. Sig has gotten pretty good at giving head it seems.
The most captivating thing to me is that, despite the rumblings of the XM7 replacing the M4, and despite all of the differences between the designs, you can still find Eugene Stoner's fingerprints all over this rifle.
I don't think so, Eugene Stoner wouldn't put his hands on this thing. This feels like someone's poor copy of someone's science fair project that won a gold medal years ago. Stoner wouldn't want his tracks on gun that has a crappy mag fed and 2 charging handles that are neither better than a cheap AR.
The SR-25 or the MK11 would probably make a better assault rifle if those weren't DMRs.
Chances are the 240 would possibly be changed over to the new round and the saw gets replaced with this as a sdm. All this assuming that the xm7 doesn't go the way of the scar
@@ndworker they have a machine gun too, the xm250. Garand Thumb has a detailed video on it, and that actually looks like a significant upgrade over the SAW.
@@rain8767 It's still based on Stoner's designs, just added more without his input (because lol he's deceased and the army has it's own requirements)
The AR-15 was made in collaboration with Jim Sullivan's inputs so it's more like Sullivan, Stoner, and possibly a bit of Knight's for the ambi bolt release (not catch, mind you.) Armalite as well, for the AR-18 type external piston and spring system.
All in all, it's still the same design, just a Frankenstein abomination of requirements from different designs, with Stoner still being related to all of it. It's just not what he wanted or had in mind, especially in the weight.
@@rain8767 it's literally a modern take on the AR18, one of his designs.
Back in the day my weapon was L1A1 SLR 7.62 x51 9.56lb(British inch pattern FN FAL) empty.A lovely little rifle she was
As a cadet we used the L98A2 but got to use the SLR at Longmoor over the summer... Great bit of kit
And now, all the old arguments about intermediate vs full power rounds, that we had back in the day are being re-visited. Speaking for myself, I found the puny 5.56mm round a distinct climb-down from 7.62 xs 51, and that was ignoring the fact that the original SA80 was such a pile of poo, particularly in comparison to the tried and trusted SLR, which I loved to bits - and still do.
I used this platform in deployment. Such an amazing rifle
As A Field Marine your points are very valid.....your are right ...in a fire fight things get crazy.....so the simpler the better
Tf is a field marine
@@richardjulien3345 Perhaps an active duty marine?
@@richardjulien3345 A POG trying to not say they are one and not a Grunt.
@@maddogs1989what’s a POG
@@Cooper12667 Person Other than Grunt
The rear charging handle was an add on afterthought. In the trials soldiers kept reaching for the back of the rifle to charge it because they are so used to that from the A.R. 15. The military requested Sig add the second charging handle to the rear.
Great info, thank you! But absolute proof of the Marine mind behind these weapons.
wonder how those same troops will no with not slamming the mag home
@@mrtreezz8251 I guess the overinsertion issue is only present on the .308 caliber and not the 6.8 military cartridge, but I cannot prove this obviously.
May as well keep the manual of arms the same since it's already such a similar platform
Yeah, I feel like any future iteration of the rifle (y'know, A1, A2, etc.) will probably do away with the AR-15 style of charging handle as more soldiers get used to the new rifle (assuming they get the chance to).
This is actually more thorough/detailed than most of the "reviews" on YT.
It's not even in the correct caliber, so it doesn't even matter. This video is just a gimmick
It's not going to be adopted
@@ndworker it was already adopted 😂 weather it actually ends up being the main squad weapon is another story though
@@ndworker it already has been
To my understanding, and feel free to correct me on this, the reason for it being slightly over gassed is to reduce the likelihood of jamming when the gun is covered in dirt, mud, sand, etc. by using the extra gas pressure to literally brute force the bolt through whatever dirt and grime is in its way during cycling. I believe the HK416 did the same thing, hence why it kicks more then one would expect.
The gun is apparently ment to be a anti armor gun. So that could also explain it. It's real military grade bullets can apparently blow through metal like a hot knife through butter (according to few)
@@knightpal1545 "military grade" is not the compliment you think it is
In muddy conditions, which is what we’ve been seeing in Ukraine, you want something a bit overgassed.
@@calvinfrakes882 "military grade" is the lowest quality the military can accept and "military grade" weapons are made by lowest bidder.
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 he wasn't making a claim on the quality of the rounds, just the power of them. A good portion of military rounds have less powerful civilian equivalents either due to the composition of the bullet or the pressure behind it. Higher quality and more reliable civilian rounds are always out there but that doesn't mean they're as effective at piercing armor.
6months late to the party here but as a former light infantry grunt I can say the only mechanical issues we had with our M4's were the "jesus" pins that held the extractors and the firing pins. The rule was in the field don't ever do a full disassemble unless in a "safe" environment. I've helped run rifle training events and can almost guarantee 80-90% of new privates will over insert the mag every time. We had a similar issue with using Pmags from mag pull that you could stick 31 rounds in not just 30 and it made your mag not seat properly and when in the gun it could randomly wiggle and drop out cause it was barely on the release. That ambidextrous bolt release is neat and nice but will most likely be broken by someone, we had a huge dude rip the handle off and out of a saw once and we were surprised as hell. Lastly that giant spring will be a huge pain in the ass to put back especially under duress or races to see who can assemble and disassemble their gun the fastest, All the parts are big when disassembled which is good. After 4 years in light infantry there's a lot of stuff I can see breaking or not being idiot proofed.
Everything this man said….
As a veteran, I see the extra steps to disassemble this over the M-4 being a real issue for some not so bright new recruits.
Oh god. Great point. I'm an old dog, BAR to the Pig to the SVD. In the field we must keep it simple. If you have to go fix someone else's weapon, they shouldn't be in your unit. It's a trust issue
That and the training ammo and combat ammo being significantly different pressure levels. It’s not like 9mm 115gr fmj compared to a gold dot either, it’s a significant difference in recoil
@@S1deshowRob Under fire recoil is only managed, you don't feel it, just manage it. Not sure where you're coming from Rob. We always train with what we shoot, shoot with what we trained with. Guessing you're coming at this complete civi side. I used flying ashtrays for years, still do when I snatch a 1911 platform. Doesn't matter the pressure you HIT HIT. John made the point very well that you can't screw up. Belt fed or box, don't screw up. If you cannot keep your weapon functional, you're useless 'cept as an ammo carrier. PTL PTA
Pressure levels don't matter, you hitting does
extra step being the buffer spring? same as a 249, not that much of an issue - would actually assist with teaching new recruits SAW disassembly as it better translates
Nothing a few sessions with a screaming DI cant fix.
The magazine over-inserntion issues is definitely the most pressing issue that needs to be addressed. Your adrenaline in a combat situation is going to be sky high. You're going to be doing everything fast and hard. That issue can be the difference between life and death for our guys overseas.
Edit: I wrote this comment before the part of the video that Brandon said the exact same thing as me
The problem is nonexistent in the military 6.8 spec; the issue you see is only with civilian .308 models using AR10 mags.
@@FuzedBox The magazines are the exact same across all models. The gun is made for SR25 pattern magazines therefore it should work with all SR25 pattern magazines. The mag in this video is a magpul SR25 mag.
It’s the magpul mag that was the issue just like the gen 1 and 2 pmags had in the m4
The pics I've seen show Lancer mags, not PMAGs, for issue with the XM7.
Yeah i could tell just by looking at it that it hadn't been super battle tested like that. It just has that look that whoever designed hasn't been in too many gunfights.
2:04 nice grand thumb impression
Side note, while the magazine causing a jam is a horrible issue, i dont believe it will be a problem with the standard magazines that come with the gun, and only seems to be an issue with 763 PMAGs since theyre smooth
I feel the magazine over insertion would definitely be a stress issue when you out this weapon into combat. Very solid review
Absolutely
I think the sig spear was designed for lancer mags not pmags. So that might be the issue.
Devils advocate, and former combat arms with the US Army. Never understood folks using a great deal of force to load a mag into an empty weapon. Yeah, if the bolt is closed slap that fucker in and make sure it locks in, but if the bolt is open it's quick and smooth insert.
I just feel like new recruit freaking out in a firefight will slam that fucker in. Maybe a secondary mag catch could be helpful. Unsure about lancer v. Pmags
@@YourTechpriest adrenaline and fear fuck with you.
This was incredibly fair. A decent number of good features, not a whole lot of bad features, but the bad features are pretty damn noticeable. Extremely curious about it. And of course I want one.
Not me. Too freaking heavy. If I wanted an M14, I’d buy an M14.
@@taggartlawfirm lmaoooo
Waaah this wepon is too heavy! 😢
@@taggartlawfirm If I wanted an M14 I wouldn't bother. M1 Garand all the way baby!
@@willyb7353Spoken like someone who never spent a entire day on their feet having to carry equipment.
Great vid...I have a couple of questions on your findings...
Regarding the "not hearing safe" comment re: the suppressor: Did you ever have an opportunity after the vid to try it with subsonic ammo?
Regarding the over-insertion issue: Did you try any different mags? Those look like P-Mags...did you try any different manufacturer mags? Same result?
I've seen reviews done with 5.56 and .308 and none with the new hybrid round. I NEED to see that tested too ( I'd even settle for a YT short some soldiers post online), just to see if the theory of long range accuracy AND body armor penetration for the new rifle holds up. Not sold on 20 round capacity over 30. Also, seeing that stroke movement through the guard had me envisioning leaves, twigs, tree branches (especially in dense bush) sand and other debris sneaking in there and causing issues.
That mag over penetration is a major problem, not just from re loading, but from other things (like walls, vehicles and the ground) while ducking for cover.
I've seen the Saw replacement in reviews and shorts (with military) and that seems to be well liked. I have yet to see a cut down version that the likes of special forces would use (edit: just spotted Garand's video). I get the feeling they'll hold onto their older AR format weapons for a long time yet until all the kinks are eliminated.
Making the scar seem light and cheap is a real feat
SCAR17 is pretty light for a reliable 308 gas gun. LMT, KAC and HK are all heavier for the direct competing models.
Don't forget about the Tavor7, 9lbs is still lighter than the 9.2lbs 16" XM7. T7 is as short as you can get(26.75") with 16.5" CHF CL 308 and it balances at the pistol grip(!) after equip w/ a can. It has fully ambi features including switching CH and ejection side in 2mins w/o any tool. And a 4-position gas selector: including adverse making it more reliable in bad environments and OFF making it a quieter single shot 308.
With all that greatness I usually see it from only $1.7-1.9k!
I think the bigger part of the deal with XM7 is the high-pressure 6.8 and NGSW scope...We can forget about both for now(or ever).
scars are cheap. they lost to the g3 in portugal lmfao
@@rustys.1070 The G3 is the king of battle rifle designs and I will die on that hill
@@shockwave6213Not the most modern and ‘modular’ platform though. XM7 also has nearly identical operation features as the M16/4 platform. Think that’s a strong selling point from a manual of arms and training aspect.
@@sigspearthumb7993 I won't argue the manual of arms familiarity aspect. I'm just disappointed nobody has tried to "modernize" the G3. Developing a polymer or hybrid polymer/steel (or Aluminum) frame, bolt hold open and release and extended push button mag release. All things I imagine could be done FAIRLY easily with RND. I have seen push button release extensions done by German armorers for the MSG 90.
I remember making a meme about this being sold while still in prototype stage while HK still wouldn’t sell the MP7 or G36 in the US…
Cause HK are fudds
Save for the SL8...
That's because of german export laws I believe
@@CircaSriYak they have a gigantic factory in Georgia they can build them here if they wanted. There’s no patent infringement it’s been long enough
@@bradenmchenry995 interesting. yeah they have no excuse if so lmfao.
sounds like a "Colt of Germany" situation
Great videos sir, I’m glad I subscribed. I think it was a good choice to switch from DI to a piston operation, just an opinion.
For those not familiar. 6.8x51 is a 27nosler round in a .308 cartridge.
I think the mag jam is a critical failure of the gun that needs to be fixed, but (at least to me), it seems like a fairly fixable issue. It just can't go out to soldiers with that happening.
I agree. With the amount of adrenaline pumping through your veins during a fire fight, this is guaranteed to happen more often than not.
Yeah an issue like that could be life or death in some circumstances.
@thegunsngloryshowIt won't matter how broken in the gun is, that won't fix the problem. The mag well is out of spec, it's a manufacture problem.
@@gonehuntn3261 As with any new product there is a learning process like cars and trucks to manufacturing lines it will get worked out he acts like no one will never fix or listen to reason again. As stated above the scar is not cheaper to manufacture or light but it has been around for a little while.
That's for sure the worst of it...but I would have never expected the charging mechanism to be that terrible on a sig...
Im just still amazed at how close Arma 3 got to nailing what they thought Americas next service rifle would look like, pretty sure they're even chambered in 6.8 in the game
Thought the same thing too lol.
The MX in Arma is actually chambered in 6.5 but yeah pretty fuckin close. Which isn't really surprising considering they asked an actual gun manufacturer to design a next gen rifle for them
@PineFox Actually, ArmA III's MX ammo is "Caseless". It's closer to the Winchester CT Polymer one.
Akshually
Bunch of god damn nerds
I think the point of the XM7 is that it needs to work in tandem with the entire package - The rifle, the steel-backed fury rounds, the vortex scope that aims for you, and modern US situational analysis tech. When all this works together, you effectively have an entire platoon of designated marksmen capable of engaging a hostile force from well outside effective range of any retaliation, and after you've weakened the enemy force thanks to ungodly over-pressurized armor-shredding ammo fired from a suppressed rifle with a scope that has an aim bot computer built in to it, you can advance on the position with a significant advantage, or maybe call in air support because you have them pinned down from so far away they don't even know where your fire is coming from.
Maybe I'm significantly over-hyping the capabilities of the ammo and scope but from all the hands-on talks we've gotten from people who can only talk about what the government will allow them to talk about, this seems to be the equivalent of going from irons to the ACOG in terms of dramatic increase in effective range for standard infantry.
For civilian use this thing always seemed like it was going to be an absurdly expensive toy because we don't get access (yet) to everything else it's meant to work with. I guess we'll see once these things are actually being used in combat regularly how effective they actually are, though given what these things were meant to be used against, hopefully we never see them actually needed.
Aside from the "magical 9.999999999%" out there, show me ONE US Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine that KNOWS how to use IRON SIGHTS? When you base your entire existence on technology you'll fail. The Army's "rifle qualification" is a Fn joke! Yet they waste millions on their stupid PFT or PRT or whatever they call it. The Marine Corps at least STILL shoots at distance and its proven effective, although w/ ACOGs for over a decade plus. The others...who cares. If you sacrifice Brilliance in the Basics your bound to fail. Land nav is a perfect example. Call for fire? Yeah right...
I agree with most of what you say but remember the fact that your opponent may also have a scoped rifle. Common soldiers may not have that but it still requires extreme caution. Stated from a former combat veteran!
@ronbailiff2832
Well, here's my POV. Which is online, and means and absolutely nothing, except this guy got his TH-cam clicks & $.
Merely an opinion from another vet who has seen enough up front combat and ate enough dirt in 3 continents from the Marine Corps side as an operational EOD Tech who spent the last 6 years of his time deploying 5 times, ripping copious amounts of stuff outta' the ground that would pink mist him (losers BIP), and making Line Company Infantry leadership "a little bit frustrated" when I treated their guys like real people.
But I digress...
-Brilliance in the basics is key, but luck beats skill 100% of the time. This is a fact I know personally.
- Accuracy and lethality come from proper training, not new weapons & toys. I've had the opportunity to work with both Army and Marine Corps Infantry. No bias, tactics are different, but the tenacity, ferocity and drive I witnessed with the Army after about ... 3 (?) weeks made me wish I was back with my boys. I will not say incompetence like pure POGs on a LOG run looking for a CAR/CAB, but far too much literal spray & pray, and freegunning crew served weapons. Do they not know how to use T&Es??? It was disgusting. I immediately questioned their training once I had a chance to actually notice it and had multiple conversations w/the squad leader off and on-site. Yielded no results. Again, another difference between the two...a SSG as a squad leader in the Army? The Marine Corps has Sgt's, and it's common to see Cpl's in COMBAT as squad leaders.
- Quality tactics and strong men with strong minds are what win each fight. Simple concept, easy to find where I came from. As I have observed in the Army, it's "an Army of Armies" fighting each other, confusing as he'll.
- IDF is great and CAS is tits, but should never be counted on when a properly trained rifle squad is employed.
- Even with the M4/M16 rifle w/ a standard 4 MOA USGI bbl, with iron sights, successfully hitting a man up to and including 500 yards can and has been accomplished in combat. We (Marines) have trained to do it for over a half century with great success annually, while I don't have the exact inception dates on the 500 yard annual rifle qual.
- Iron sights are NOT what the primary rifle sight platform should be today, I absolutely understand and agree 100%. Magnified optics should be employed by all US Military Forces. BUT ... offset BUIS should always be sufficiently taught to everyone, qualified on annually and regularly trained on numerous times throughout the year; by ALL combat arms MOS and all enablers; our own shooting packages were conducted in-house and contracted, so we ran the gamut. Not tooting my horn, but we made sure our shit was tight regardless of whom we were direct support to; same with medical/LTT.
- I enlisted in '97 & was Med Ret in late '10, saw the A2 and the M4. The ACOG was a great step up when it happened. Loved it, but never went & qual'd with it due to back to back to back deployment exemptions. But I also brought my own 6x and ran a set of offset BUIS on 3 deployments. Combined, they served their purpose for my job and for accurate engagements.
- The NGSW suite IS a nicely looking developed option, but that option leads to the diminished ammunition per person. With the M5, it will lead to diminishing returns, and unfortunately, I do see increased casualties resulting from it. The Army made a bad choice pure and simple, and wasted a metric fuck ton of money in the process. Makes me wonder "who" the retired guy(s) got rich on this choice?
- The increased weight of a fully equipped M5 brings forth what can be easily touched on in the short story "Soldier's Load and the Mobility of a Nation." Too much weight will cause long term problems, that adds an ADDITIONAL 2 LBS and DECREASES the ammunition supply per person. Then there'sthe M250... That's insane! Logistically and for each and every person on the line. You've been outside the wire on foot quite enough, I'll surmise. Saying that, I'll bet a can of Cope LC you've changed your gear a ½ dozen times each deployment until it was finally right you and for that particular style of mission(s)/ AO. You're simply not carrying excess shit "just because". Back to the simple concept of Oz equal Lbs, Lbs equal pain.
-80k PSI??? Why? Furthermore, why was 6.8 even chosen when the multitude of current cartridges currently out there now can defeat LVL IV armor. The standard is the M2 .30-06 AP. Surely the development of a "magic" hybrid 6.8 costing how much (?????) just for the cartridge was waste, fraud and abuse. Just saying. That's the USG though, but I have my DD-214/-215's🤣
- But more simply put, the 6.8 will NOT be dropped from NATO when the stockpiles of 5.56 & 7.62 ammunition are still so abundant and abundantly manufacturered globally.
- Then there are the weapon platforms. That's a couple pennies that even the US cannot sustain for at the drop of a hat. How long until Sig decides to "allow" someone else manufacturer the M5/M250 on licensed equipment? 🤔😆
While I wish this wasn't on YT, sadly it is. But I'm all for intellectual conversations. 👍
@@john.pado2336 I say this as a civilian in the same room, handing you a beer while laughing and teasing: Your post sums up everything wrong with the criticism of XM7. Extremely absolute and bias of personal interest. Hell, I give it a 50-50 chance of going in to service in another 9 years but it is really Fudd adjacent (again, teasing. don't kick my ass if we meet IRL) how you are criticizing it.
"- I enlisted in '97" Thank you for your service. You know more about war and guns than I do. So does the DoD. For all their faults, they still make equipment that wins battles and wars. A lot of the problems since Vietnam have been political, not quality of equipment. On authority, the DoD gets dibs BUT with high scrutiny. There is corruption in it, but veterans can get stuck in their ways. Lots of officers and soldiers complained about the M16 and the 5.56. Toy guns that shoot a cartridge for coyotes, not other humans. Many still think that.
"- Quality tactics and strong men with strong minds are what win each fight." Yes. Looks like tactics might be changing as they are going to a longer range gun on the new infantry vehicle in development. Lots of things in development that could better suit the rifle.
addressed
"- The NGSW suite IS a nicely looking developed option, but that option leads to the diminished ammunition per person. With the M5, it will lead to diminishing returns..." I'm well aware usual firing range is between 200-400 yards and the history of the Vietnam war and how firepower was king. That being said, knowledge of the battlefield has come along way, possible previous mentioned change in tactics and what might be seen under a 8x scope.
"- The increased weight of a fully equipped M5..." The current weight you mean. We are talking about the first edition that was made to hyperfocus on what could win the trial. There are lots of things that can be done to reduce the weight. Most notably a lighter barrel and go from a 7 inch fantastic (this is what I have heard) suppressor to a 4 inch very good suppressor. The bullpup in competition was even heavier, the super thick barrel for the XM7 might be a direct military request and might not need to be as thick for the higher pressure. I don't know what you are talking about with the M250. It is lighter than the 249, can be switched to .308 and seems to be praised.
"-80k PSI???" Yes. I thought you cared about weight? Other cheaper cartridges use all brass and going to be heavier. On cost, what is and what is not too incremental? If worked as advertised, it is better than the 7.62. How many things can I go through that you like that cost a lot of money to improve but only by a little. Also the cartridge might not be for armor. I haven't seen one official statement of that it is purpose built for armor. Closest thing I have seen is an interview with the officers in charge talking about range, barrier penetration when asked directly about armor it was stated that it was classified.
"- But more simply put, the 6.8 will NOT be dropped from NATO.." You mean picked up? Picked up=used dropped=not used? I think it will be picked up IF it is proven. Might not be immediate and a slow replacement, but IF IT WORKS the idea that NATO won't go along is silly.
"- Then there are the weapon platforms..." Along with the cost of ammo, we shall see. I agree the computer for the scope might be way too high, but I think they might drop it specifically, but a 4K gun with a 3K scope isn't that far from a Marine with a 3K H&K and a new similarly 3K cost scope that is slowly phasing out the ACOG I am sure the Army can handle it.
Everything you said might be right. My biggest gripe with what you said is the absoluteness. We aren't looking at the same info the decision makers are looking at. They aren't all corrupt, they aren't Russia. AGAIN, I'm saying this not to berate you but to give pause.
@mojothemigo This guy.... this guy I like!!! I will definitely chop on this. But 1st and foremost...yes. The NATO "dropping" 5.56/7.62 and picking up the almighty FURRRRRYYYY..." yeah, huge typo.
Just getting into learning all this. Thanks fir the video
An overlooked feature of the new rifle is that the buffer tube is hollow, so it's a great place to store your lube, treasure maps, or love letters from fellow squad mates.
So you're the MF'er that put the scorpion in the M16A1 buttstock! That SOB almost got me!
If it doesn't fit 4-5 Crayola's the marines are going to flip shit.
@@2fathomsdeeper thats EVIL LMAOOO
The muscle memory of forcing the magazine or even slapping to confirm it’s seated before sending the bolt forward would be a hard train for a lot of soldiers. That’s how I knew it was actually going to load haha
SPORTS baby!!
... you serve?
@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56I have a fn-15 m16 military collectors if u use Gi metal mags u gotta slap the SHIT out of fully loaded mags
It would be the opposite to what we've trained for honestly. I used to use the AK5C(Swedish standard, 5.56mm) and hitting the bottom of the mag to ensure it's comepletely inside feels great, and to unlearn for something like this gun is weird.
@@texturk6092 a lot of guns need the magazine umphed with elbow grease into that magwell when it’s fully loaded
It is so awesome how much your video quality has grown over the years
all you need to fix the possibillity of overinsertion is a lil bump on the side of the mag, and then advertise it as "tactical grip grooves"
I'd be more than happy to have a podcast of Brandon just sitting down and talking about whatever he wants. I just like the way you think about things and the jokes you throw in.
I want to see him on Nick Rekieta's Friday show.
@@fellwind I want to see so many people with rekieta!
really do wish he'd take Donut's old spot and be the third co-host on Unsub
He already kind of does this when he shows up on the Unsubscribe Podcast.
You enjoy prepared media, like all of us....
Just enjoy and play with your trunnion like the rest of us, don't beg.
Im into gardening, chihuahua-ish dogs, pussy and conversations with real humans...
What are you into... in The real World...
Luckily for SIG their ability to build guns is greatly surpassed by their ability to sell the stuff...
Pretty cool when you drop a small fortune on on a new SIG rifle and they release the actual production run with significant improvements months later.
@@yeliabd1 it's kinda your own fault if you join to Beta-test :D
@@joik2ww269 Live and learn...
@@joik2ww269 100% that’s buying Sig 101. WAIT. They’ll fix the issues next year.
Indeed, it's been the same with every platform they market, I own an mpx and love it, but all there stuff uniformly has issues initially
So I watched this video and found it very informative and exactly what I wanted to know about the new Weapon System.. then while subscribing I heard you say “my heart belongs to the AK” & I dropped the Apple TV remote, turned off my PEQ-15, Flipped up my NVG’s, Looked over at my Wife in shock 😮!!! … unfortunately your sarcasm still won me over and I had to “Charlie Mike” with hitting the bell notification lol 😂😂 good job
It feels like we're moving backwards in time. We started with the M1 Garand in WW2 which weighed 9.5 lbs. The military then debutes the M1 Carbine which was very popular due to its weight (but a bit underpowered). We then briefly adopt the M14 which was a dinosaur gun compared to the AK due partially to its weight. We finally get the M16/M4 which has been great because it combines something low weight (6.4lbs) with a potent intermediate cartridge. Now we're back to a 9lb rifle and a heavy cartridge for some reason.
The over insertion is an absolute deal breaker. We may lose soldiers to that malfunction.
I can see that being fixed
Easy fix
Some replies in comments are saying its only an issue with the civilian chambered 308 and Brandon using AR10 mags, and that its not an issue on the military variant
@@pangboi3453 In war you use all you can get. Take a look to Ukraine. If you need to use a civilian Magazin, you will use it. There is no acceptance for jamming.
@@aesthetic8780 You aren't going to use the civilian mags if they're in the wrong caliber tho...
Like other US military weapons, this seems like a small arm that was designed by committee and ends up function more like a Frankenstein firearm than a coherently designed one. For example, the rear charging handle was added because military brass didn't think the grunts would be smart enough to charge a rifle any other way.
The grunts aren’t smart enough. The average soldier knows less about guns than the average civilian gun owner.
@@thetman0068 Then they shouldn't have any problem with side charging.
If you wanted to see a weapon that was designed by a committee then you should look at Textron's entry lol. It ejected right where your hand goes to grip it 😆
Bureaucracy kills creativity and ensures your final product will never be innovative.
Theyre probably going to iterate on it like they do with most guns, it's normal, the m4 was iterated on a shit ton till the point it's basically maxed out and they need a new one
Useful video thank you, it’s really good to know the new rifle we are getting are almost exactly similar to taking apart a 249 & 240 (so far it sounds confirmed for us at bragg to get them next year)
Over-insertion is the ultimate deal-breaker. With Firearms.
So 2 things I think you'll find interesting.
1) TFB was interviewing the SIG engineers and the T charging handle was said to be an after thought, originally it was only supposed to have the side charger and that's it.
2) Because of how soldiers are trained the over insertion problem is going to be a big deal because of how we are taught to remediate malfunctions using SPORTS. The thing to note is that many soldiers don't get the range time after basic to effectively train up on a new set of remedial actions to make it second nature, so that is is another layer to the problem.
S: slap the magazine.
P: pull the charging handle
O: observe the chamber
R: release the charging handle
T: tap the forward assist
S: squeeze the trigger
Just to clarify, the Corps at least doesn't use "SPORTS" anymore. Now it's just "Tap, Rack, Bang."
Forward assist and T charging handle ruined this gun and were exact "features" requested by US army commission. Scaling up the SIG550 to 6.8 was supposed to be a relatively simple design.
@@mazdrpan4099 very much agreed
@@scout3058 yeah I can only speak for the Army here
The army doesn't use SPORTS anymore. I think they're using what the Marine Corp does now.
Feed ramps being separate is probably because it's a wear item like you said. The M4 had issues with rounds like M855A1 chipping the feed ramp, so since this rifle was designed around armor piercing capabilities it future proofs it a bit.
It also means if you got to change up a feed ramp geometry in the future, you don't have to replace the upper. The rifle has a lot of upside that people don't want to admit.
since they are going to eventually be 6.8mm then wouldn't that require a new ramp that could drop in?
@@T0tenkampf the military is adopting them in 6.8x51mm. The .308 versions are a commercial market thing.
@@bamesjond4128 but selling In multiple markets with the same base upper by making the ramp removable instead of machining it in could simplify caliber changes while reducing skus the have to make and allow them to use higher wear ramps
I think also with the hybrid case of the 277 fury that instead of just brass on steel it's now steel on steel so it may wear faster
I can't believe this rifle Weighs pretty much the same as my 1896 Swedish Mauser
I´m glad you also point out that useless rear charging handle! The HK 416 also has this, and I HATE it! The side pull one looks pretty good, but only if you can pull it like on the AG-3 - with your palm facing towards you and pull straight back, it should catch and extend the handle while you´re just pulling straight back.
As soon as Brandon says he's limiting the jokes & focusing on detail, I immediately hone in. I love his humor, but hes also a good teacher because of his mixture of knowledge, passion, AND humor. The longer I've watched, the more I've realized he's a gem on TH-cam. Some special or even paid educational content would be amazing though.
This checks ✔out
Who’s your daddy?
@@globalautobahn1132😏
Jump up on that D and do a full split
The over insertion thing is kinda serious, especially considering I was taught in the military to hit the mag like twice on the bottom to make sure it's in all the way. That'll be a really big issue with this gun
Huge issue.
marine vet. 100% agree. That's insane to me.
Also, people who wear oversized body armor get their heads pushed down towards the ground by their ACH while in the prone and almost ALWAYS end up using the magazine for stability opposed to a sandbag. I've even been in the prone in some shitty spots in combat where you have no choice but to put force on the magazine, or get your head blown off. If I can stop the action on reload, it most likely can do the same thing during cycling, with applied pressure. Terrible design flaw.
In some armies (germany for example) you mustn't hit the bottom of the mag
If you don’t want to overinsert the magazine, use the magazine designed for the gun in the caliber the gun was designed around.
10:41 NICE
you might need to machine the feed ramp on a standard rifle if a round is smaller or larger or if it is situated differently in a different magazine
That seperate feed ramp; would allow a specific ramp for standard fmj rounds and alternate shape ramps for flat ended or extreme hollow point rounds or a third shape for really pointy rounds. I have seen some cheaper military caliber guns that will only cycle reliably with fmj.
I think a lot of it will boil down to the new cartridge. It’s important to remember that the gun was designed around the 6.8mm round, which has way higher pressure than .308. Kind of explains why it’s so beefy. If 6.8 is as revolutionary as so many believe, it could make a lot of those quirks worth it. If it’s oversold though, I don’t think this gun will be around long.
You fail to account for the lengths our government will stubbornly go to just to 'prove' they didn't make a mistake.
It probably won’t, but a lot of people will be able to put a bunch of under the table money in their pockets.
the revolutionary nature of 6.8 is the two material cartridge, something that could have been applied to existing rounds, but wasn't because then you can't sell as many parts.
Good point, but that additional power and weight needs to do something better than .308, if it is armor penitration, then you can simply load up AP ammo in your SCAR and be good to go with way less recoil than .277 Fury.
So maybe they want better engagement distance? 6.5 Creedmoor has been useful out to 1000 yards, so they want to go even further I guess, but then you have to ask what the barrel life is of .277 Fury because even 6.5 Creedmoor struggles with that over .308 due to high chamber pressure and heat generation.
Maybe they want a longer range AP capability, then I would have to see how much AP range they gained and what it can actually go through.
Their are a lot of things that confuse me about the choice of going back to a battle rifle at all in the first place for entire squads, not to mention the logistics.
I think it will fail to replace the M4, but I could see it potentially being a good DMR for the Army.
Just got out of the marine corps. We adopted the H&K m27 and besides it being heavier and longer then the m4 while keeping the same max effective, and that sometimes it would feed the new rounds so hard that it would bend the bullet against the chamber breech. But other than that it’s waayyy better than the m4.
With the charging handle. Idk what it is but all the mil rifles have ass charging handles
The SCO and suppressor are alright
I just think that the better available AR charging handles are all way to expensive. The military is never gonna buy a $50 (or more) charging handle from a reputable company, do all the testing to make sure it meets the TDP, and then issue one for each rifle.
Lol. On top of all that, we’re now relying on Germans to supply our small arms. American WWII vets are turning over in their graves.
Ask the cheapest bidder he’ll know
You've never really shot an AR until you've shot it so much you've worn out the brass deflector.
As someone who served int he military and was deployed and fired the M4 and the M16, I would be VERY frustrated about the magazine issue, they need to fix that asap..
And just like with P90, suddenly the threat of teleporting stealthed soviet saboteurs in power armor doesn't seem to exist...😅
How does it perform against layered Russian cardboard and pot metal strike plates ?
@@yankee1376 KEK
@@yankee1376"on today's episode of demolition ranch....."
Also rusty AK’s and T55’s
wouls be used vs china. if the west is stupid enough to try and go to war with china. totally different situation than soviet union
That "the check cleared" bit at the end was pure gold. The over insertion issue is going to be a major problem for the front line troops that will be potentially engaging enemy combatants on daily basis. Adrenaline will be flowing and they will be doing thing by muscle memory. Hopefully they fix that issue before it gets handed to the troops.
Its likely just an issue with the civilian version in .308 as the military version uses custom designed mags instead of standard sr25.
The military version uses lancer sr25 mags and I think those have a over insertion tab that the magpul don’t same reason the gen2 pmags had the same issue in the m4 hence the gen3 having tabs
It's even military SOP to smack the bottom of the mag if experiencing issues to ensure the mag is inserted properly - which will of course cause this exact problem. This is almost definitely going to get fixed. If not in the gun itself, they'll change the mags they issue to prevent it.
@@matthewblackwood9653 the magazines that are getting issued with it have an over insertion tab so it may just be the mags Brandon was using
i have to agree that the side pull charging handle is a great add the rear charging handle isnt great when you are trying to clear a jam in a pinch. reach back drop your line of sight and rack it then look make sure you are cleared versus pull with off hand clear and stay on target. But why even have a rear charging handle if its going to be so sticky
Would guess that feed ramp is a bolted in component for two main reasons. First, it can extend the service life of the receiver itself, and secondly I would say it has to do with the type of rounds they’re planning to use in this gun. I’m imagining the rounds they’re wanting to use will have a steel or tungsten penetrator tip like M855A1 which will eat up the feed ramp.
Someone really said "Hey, remember the M14 and how badly that failed? Y'all wanna try that experiment again, only at 80K psi this time?"
The be fair this isn't a design from the late 30s that they took and beat with a hammer until it could take magazines.
apples to oranges dude....
Right. It's a design from the 60's (AR18) that they beefed up, made out of aluminum, and developed ridiculously overpressure ammunition for in order to meet the military's unrealistic requirements for. Which isn't really a knock on Sig or the XM7 as much as it is on the Pentagon for being big stupid. Again. Still. Sig (and the other entrants) did their best meeting trying to meet silly goals set by silly people.
Is the XM7 a good rifle? Yeah. Is the XM7 (especially in 6.8x51) a good rifle *for mass full-fleet fielding to a military composed of a diverse number of heights, weights, strengths, body types, and both genders?* Absolutely not.
@@sillylittleowlguy2392 Not really, it's a full power battle rifle meant for full fleet adoption. By the infantry at first, initially, but bean counters gonna count beans and push for military wide adoption eventually, regardless of how fast parts wear out and how difficult it is for smaller statured soldiers to use it. Just like the M14.
@@hobbstactv2571 "every short stroke piston rifle is an ar18" opinion discarded go back to braindead sig-hating fuddland.
The over insertion thing is honestly crazy. I’m assuming that this may be a little different with the new caliber, but I’m not really sure. Either way they got to fix that.
But come on, how often would a soldier in combat ever insert a magazine too forcefully? It's not like they're human beings with adrenaline...
He’s not using the correct mag, that’s all. Military mags work fine.
@@blackhawk7r221 "Military mag works fine. That's an order!"
everything made by sig in the past 10 years is trash
@@drewmandan hmmm every time under stress
I was trained on the M-14, love those 500 yard hits with open sights . Then in AIT we got the Matel 16. I have PTSD from the M16. WELCOME HOME NAM VETS.
SGT DOUG, RECON, 101ST, RVN 68-69
Hell yea. Just bought a M1A Scout Squad. Love that gun.
“Not that you guys have had to worry about over-penetration.”
[pauses for a long time]
“Anyway”
😂
Over insertion of the mag will be a huge problem for the Army. Doctrine right now for loading an M4 is to insert the mag and tap the bottom upwards. For immidiate action it states "Forcfully tap upward onto the base plate of the magazine" and then rack the charging handle and reasses.
I believe this will be a major issue and it might lead to revisions on the A1 model if it ever gets to that point anyway.
First of all, it's still the XM7. X, for experimental.
This will be fixed for the final release.
And second of all?
@@mrnukeduster i was going on s rant about how most weapon systems have problems when they first come out(last round not firing in the m1 garand, M16 problems etc) but decided it wasn't worth it so deleted that part.
More importantly, systems develop over time. An early M16 doesn't stack up to the rifles we have now. We need to give systems a little more time to grow before casting final judgement.
@@megawolfr1986 uhh, they literally sent it to him to give his final judgment on.
No it's not, because this isn't the rifle the Army is going to be using. The XM-7 is a 6.8x51 / .277 Fury and uses a different magazine. Something this bad would've definitely come up in trials. This is likely a result of adapting to 7.62x51 / .308 for a civvy market variant and looser tolerances to allow for a wide range of AR-10 pattern magazines.
(Another one of the many levels of irony) the military just made their physical requirements less strict, and now they are adopting a heavier rifle that will require a combat loadout with less rounds. 😂
oh that's gonna end well 🥴
Maybe that's why they're not worried about the over insertion of the magazine, since they expect all of their new recruits to be physically weak
Yeah. What female is going to rack that stupid stiff bolt? Makes no sense.
Weight really doesn’t matter anymore when all your military does is ride around in armored vehicles and blow up middle easterners via drone strike lol
@@sfertonoc well there’s a spoonful of women in actual combat roles and base entry requirements are different from specific MOS/AFSC/RATE requirements as well. Most of the military is just desk jobs. Still need to be reasonably fit for deployment and even more fit for augmentee into fighting roles. Let’s be honest here too, any woman that’s willing to put infantry probably wants to be there and shouldn’t be complaining.
I'm curious if the gas piston hitting off centre is deliberate? Like if the piston is free to rotate, it means it will tend to not hit the same spot over and over again, it might be an effort to reduce wear on the bolt carrier group nub?
Thanks for this review. Tells me all I need to know about that gun.
I can overlook most of the issues, but the mag insert issue is a MASSIVE problem. A deal breaker.
I agree, its on par with the AK-12 safety/selector over extending and blocking the trigger guard.
I mean to be fair the m4 had a hell of a lot of issues when it first came out shits a new gun give them a few years to iron out all the issues and see if its liked but the people who use it in combat
It will be fixed in the A2 or possibly It is already being redesigned
it's overly engineered but has a fatal slip of a cheap toy made in China? And last I check BB guns don't even have this issue. This is f'd up.
it's hilarious because the sig p320 also has a major issue with over-inserting mags
it's actually worse with the p320 because over-insertion will fuck up the extractor and that's basically a permanent fuckup
All of my concerns for the XM7 revolve around that new round. The mechanical bits you had (legitimate) gripes about can be easily fixed without causing major issues with the use of the gun. But the pressures and velocities they're claiming to be getting out of that 6.8 cartridge almost guarantee that it is going to go through barrels faster than Lizzo goes through fudgsicles.
Or faster than Bud Light stocks dropping
and America has lost every war against enemies with 7.62 guns.......the size of cartridges has 0 to do with the speed a gun shoots at.
@@resiefan3258 We lost Korea?
@@hannibalbarca2939 Apparently we also lost the First Gulf War
I'm fairly certain the US Military isn't concerned with this as the current belief is that in near peer conflict it was supposedly adopted for it doesn't matter if the barrel only lasts 1000 or so rounds as due to the nature of the conflict you're highly likely to need a replacement rifle due to it being lost or damaged due to other means before you shoot that many rounds through it. Which has apparently been somewhat confirmed by the war in Ukraine
For a rifle like this, I'd definitely run a two point sling. Seems like a more efficient way to run this weapon.
Even if over insertion of the mag was your only gripe that’d be enough for a hard pass from me. That’s got to be fixed. Thanks for the honest review. Glad your check cleared before you answered that looming question at the end lol.
"This is certainly... one of the rifles ever made" is literally the best one-line review for any gun ever.
The joke comes from counter strike players.
. . . and he used it here 😅 😮
@@jeffpraterJSF see above forgot to click your reply. . . Lo Siento.
How about "The Design Engineer is very kind to his mother"?
@@jeffpraterJSF No it doesn't. It's from the movie reviews for Morbius. It's a morbius joke.
The new optic that calculates ranges is super cool.
It weighs like 2 lbs tho screw that thing you can keep a range finder in your pocket if you really have to calculate
Kind of lame, because it removes the human factor and soldiers became dependent on tech and cannot do anything without it.
@@Cheesusrice69222 This new optic basically allows every marine to be a long-range marksman without the sniper school training.
@@Cheesusrice69222 But does a range finder adjust your reticle for you?
Doesn’t matter that much when it’s two whole ass pounds and is the size of a god damn sausage. But hey “tactical and modular” make the brass, and. bean counters cream their pants so why not.
“What is my relationship with sig”- garand thumb impression top notch
Late on this but i love my OG MCX in 556. Charging handle is crap. Replaced the trigger, got a cool foregrip, and swapped the stock. After the changes everyone shooting it said two things: 1) it was loud AF. Louder than their normal AR. 2) It was heavy AF.
That over insertion could be a real problem considering tap/rack is one the first things you try to correct malfunctions.
Tbf, he’s using an AR mag in a rifle that’s been rechambered for the civilian market, not a military issue rifle with sig mags
@@mcarrowtime7095 tbf they're still selling this version to civilians for not a little amount of money.
@@Caffeinated-DaVinci have you considered using a mag designed for the gun?
It's cool looking, and of course I want one... But I'll stick to my much cheaper and lighter AR-10 for now.
didn't expect to see you here lol cool
@@emmettmeents2329 I’m an ex Navy Gunners Mate and I have 65 guns. 😋
And two channel cross over love your content dude
@@BlackGryph0n cool
Definitely didn't expect to see you here.
I seriously wonder what general has a connection with Sig and is getting a kickback for these.
The reason why the charging handle spring is stiff is due to the fact their is not a lot of travel room in the top receiver. The mags jammed the gun because they were plastic mags and not stanag mags.
That mag insertion issue is honestly a deal breaker.
All that tax money to mess something up so small that makes a massive difference.
He's using the wrong Magazine. It doesn't run PMAGs.
Why would they design the gun to use sr25 pattern mags but not one of the most common variants
@@Raptor55 Because they supply their own magazines (profitably).
If you're going to adopt a new rifle firing a new cartridge, you don't skimp on new mags for it. You also don't limit your design choices so "you can use existing mags!" when Big Army is going to buy hundreds of thousands if not millions of these rifles and tens of millions of magazines for it.
They'll adopt a new mag that (hopefully 😬) doesn't have any of the remaining legacy issues of .308 AR mags (admittedly, there aren't many given they've been around f*cking forever, but Accuracy International mags are superior for bolt guns and semi-auto snipers).
If HK can do it with the G28/M110A1, even American-imitation "SIG" can 😉
Its insane to me that the magazine jam could make it passed military inspection and professional R&D.
It didn't. Brandon is shooting a .308 conversion of the MCX Spear. It's not meant to fire that.
Sig Sauer is manufacturing magazines specifically for the MCX Spear - chambered in 6.8x51mm.
Brandon is shooting with a .308 PMAG.
No wonder he's running into issues
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 yeah I thought about that after the fact, I wondered if the conversion was the culprit
@@merxanity1625 That would almost certainly explain the gas issues, probably even why its less gassy with a supressor (although it could just be that Brandon has an amazing .308 suppressor), why the charging handle is stiff, etc.
The mag over-insertion - out of all the issues is a "maybe". Again, I feel like at this point, 60 years on from the adoption of the M16 a lot of these logistical issues have been sorted, and once the rifle is actually issued with the proper magazines, and civilian companies get around to making the aftermarket magazines like magpull PMAGs and such it'll probably remedy its self.
Even if magazine over-insertion is an issue there's probably a very simple way to remedy it
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 That mag is also a non issue mag. Gun specifies Lancer Mags so a soldier wouldn't be or better not be jamming a PMag into it
@@brinkee7674 The only real mystery here is why Sig thought it was a good idea to send Brandon a .308 MCX Spear when its not going to be sold, issued or traded - ever
What about the optics? I mean, from just looking at it it's obvious that we're not talking ks-1 level but I would also assume that they're trying to cut cost for large scale distribution.
And yeah, that mag. It's insane how it passed the procurement process.
I’ve only had one day’s experience with the Spear, but I can already say I don’t think I would enjoy carrying that large/heavy of a rifle along with any significant amount of ammunition on top of all normal gear. My go to war rifles typically weigh out at 6.5-7# these days and even that slung over my vest with 4-6 magazines of 5.56, my plates, coms, etc. all starts to feel a bit heavy when the miles rack up, so I really don’t think I would be interested in adding any more weight to my system.
I was considering it as an option, then Brndon said it had that over-incretion problem with the magazine, and I was a little hesitant after that. THEN he literally held up the FN SCAR (.308), and compared the weight and price differences and I'm not so considering anymore.
When I was in the army, the biggest news there was that every infantryman’s rifle would be getting topped with an acog. Guess what never happened…..
Even in 4ID mfers still have ironsights
@@TheSlayer. Lmfao it's alright then I thought we were old school in France
For at least 6 years of my career we were all going to be issued the M4, but my last rifle qualification before I ETS'd was still the M16-A2.
They kind of made that happen. I was in the 82nd and we almost had enough acogs for everyone, still ran a few CCOs per team just to have a better close up option but that was a deliberate decision. I disagreed with running just aimpoints when acogs were an option but it wasn’t my call.
When I was in the Army it was Steel sights and M-16’s. The M-4’s were just coming out as I was getting out,
It’s funny cuz every other company kept trying to make the beast ultra futuristic gun and this one pretty much got picked by default because it was the only one that actually met the requirements of consideration everything else was just to far out there .
The issue of weight is due to the very hot 6.8x51 round the rifle is designed to handle which is considerably more powerful than the 7.62x51. The 6.8 would destroy a SCAR-H in short order, particularly when using the full up war shots with the bi-metal case. So addressing it as a 7.62 platform is not quite a fair comparison.
The weight is a big issue for a military rifle, especially given all the crap that will inevitably be added to the service weapons in the form sights, lasers, grips, bipods, and grenade launchers.
It's going to interesting to see how this plays out, as it's looking more and more like this will be a supplement rather than a true replacement.
Big part of the weight issue is likely the new 6.8 rnd. This this is operating at something like 80K psi. EVERYTHING (springs, barrel, bolt, et al) is going to have to be over-engineered (as compared to .308 standard) to deal with those kind of pressures. The mag issue is a big one.
the barrel especially is way heavier than others of similar length
Yep.
But I wonder why woukd the 7.62 version have the features to handle the milspec 6.8 though.
Is it that the cartridges are interchangeable, or to be precise quick swappable (by barrel swap and maybe bolt face)?
@@ilmtbuilt to the same specs to save money on tooling/production lines. If the only difference is literally the bore of the barrel then you’re have less production cost.
Which company paid the most to influence the US military industrial complex and how will that propagate through NATO as the new 'standard' FML
Yeah I don't know why he never addressed the elephant in the room that the actual rifle the military will be fielding uses a smaller round, has less weight, and with less recoil. I suspect this rifle will be better in what it was intended to be chambered for rather than 7.62.
1. I think people often forget just how rough the m16 introduction was and how much it changed over its service life. The same can be said about the SCAR. 2. It was a competition at the end of the day someone had to win and SIGs submission was by far the most conservative and pragmatic option. I think polymer case is cool and all but we aren't there yet and the other designs relied on radical cartridge designs.
And one of them was a bullpup with a bloody WILD suppressor design that makes me doubt it'll even work
Yeah but a lot of the "changes" were reverting McNamera's "improvements" to Gene's original specs.
@@dogwoodhillbilly There are a dozen other problems with this, and a bayonet is less useful than fixing literally any of the issues it already has would be. If you're close enough to poke something with a bayonet you're close enough that a pistol will do the job just fine.
@@KeterMalkuth if you could apply the Steel and brass cases to 6mm Arc i personal think that would be great. Largest I would go to if it had to be bigger to do the hybrid casing i would probably use a 6mmx47. keep the m4 gas system make the barrel 13.5 inches. As well as keep the flow through suppressor by sig. Frankly the suppressor they made for the xm7 was pretty damn nice. I definitely would keep the pressure 80k because gunpowder's are constantly changing I think it's perfectly fine
The M16 was mostly sound on introduction, the main problem being Robert MacNamara wanting to save money on gunpowder which proceeded to fuck up the rifles which were running very well before that.
He had cleaning kits and chrome lined chambers and bores nixed for the same reason.
The NGSW is absurdly retarded on paper.
Hello from Switzerland, all I can say about the Sig-Sauer XM7 is what I see from your video. It also seems a bit heavy to me, but since I know that SIG itself has also developed lighter assault rifles (in general terms), I think that this is due to the requirements. I agree with you, the central loading lever at the back is not only very inconveniently placed, it also looks like a toy gun.
I served my time in the Swiss Army with the StGw 57 (SIG 510). Apart from the weight (5.7 kg/12.5 lbs), it was a bit unwieldy at best in terms of size (although it should be taken into account that this was introduced into the army in 1957 was introduced, so it was already older technology). Precision, reliability, handling were all to my satisfaction, I don't remember a malfunction. The rifle had an "additional function" that you probably miss with the "XM7" - if you hit the butt on the ground with the magazine inserted, it was loaded (so you didn't need a loading lever for this 😂).
It was, or still is, one of the most expensive assault rifles purchased for general army troops. The army now uses the Stgw 90 (SIG 550), which they are apparently very satisfied with (although our army also has very high quality requirements)
550 is outdated to say the least
@@jbloun911From 1957, it said, of course it is outdated.
@@xxx_phantom_xxxw_t_a9479 it's still good but it's outdated. Buy B&T rifles
@@xxx_phantom_xxxw_t_a9479 it's good just outdated. B&T is nice
You should do a test where your actually running around with the rifle, 8 mags on your body, body armor and helmet. Run uphill, low crawl 100 yards, run and manuever inside a building through hallways/rooms. Go through a window. Then do the same drill with an M4. Then compare results.
I must say that I love how it looks. The lmg version in particular gave me the tingles.
-So just how bad is the charging handle?
"It's super hard in the worst way"
-Why Sig made it so heavy when they KNOW it's going to be carried around all day by some poor soldier is just baffling.
-The "over insertion mag" is also a "how the fuck didn't they notice this" kind of issue. With how easy it is to achieve there's no way they didn't run into that issue while testing the gun....... And it's an issue that will actually get it's user killed if it happens in a firefight.
-It is rather amazing that a gun company as big and long lived as Sig managed to recreate issues that have NOT been issues for more 20+ years.
I mean military uses different mag in different caliber they really dont care about ar10 mags
Sig is also the company that brought out the Cross rifle, a bolt action that would fail to fire when pulling the trigger, and fire when you put an ounce of pressure on the bolt handle to clear it afterwards.
So yeah, checks out for Sig.
The M-7 is heavy in order to be controllable in full automatic…
You make a choice between weight and controllability.
I feel like they messed up some dimensions on the charging handle, and then cerakoted it or something. They didn't account for the thickness change after cerakoting, because, you know, it's Sig.
Ok you gotta review the RM277. It was the main competitor, has a wacky can and a wackier ammo type, and they're suing the US government for making a biased choice by picking the SIG (which supposedly performed worse than the RM277 in trials) because of the handgun partnership they already have. Also a bullpup, so definitely a fun comparison.
I heard they are bringing it to the civilian market supposedly. I haven't heard anything about the Textron entry, but it would be cool to see more of both of them and see what people think about the losers of the competition. Textron's rifle has even wackier caseless ammo and a seemingly over complicated operating system.
I always look forward to your upload, you and Matt taught me all about guns, love from the uk. You’d get my vote if I was state side