I may have been mistaken when I said most people are critical of this episode. Plenty of people are, but I'm getting enough contradicting comments to make me second guess it being an overwhelming majority.
It's a great episode. My great aunt and uncle are almost 90, and this is one of their favorites. Great Video Shady! Please do a video on Kotaro Lives Alone!
I implore you to find my thread. im speaking very sincerely when I say I watched this the day it came out. it sticks for reasons that are hard to explain
Kahn: (Talking to Bobby) "I heard what you did to Chane Wassonasong - unforgivable! But then I hear what you did to your father - very funny. So I'm conflicted." Possibly my favourite line from the whole series and one that perfectly summarises Kahn's character.
It’s probably my favorite quality that Peggy has. Hank might have been the football player but Peggy’s the fighter who’ll protect her family without hesitation.
realistically, hank should of preemptively worn a cup and showed "see bobbie? sometimes that move of yours wont work and thats why its better to learn how to properly fight rather than using a dirty trick like that."
Lmao anyone who’s in a fight would tell you there’s no such thing as proper fighting. But you always stop when they hit the ground is what I was taught.
@@Shauntheduke.I was taught that when they can’t run you down, you gtfo. That doesn’t mean always hitting the ground - I’ve had opponents still standing when I broke and ran, and I’ve had situations where I had to get into a ground fight. The point is, you should always be looking for the way out.
It wouldn't be realistic for Hank to do that. Doing so would mean that he thinks his son is less than honest and would purposely hurt him. Hank isn't nearly as harsh as Cotton so he shouldn't expect it.
He should have worn a cup regardless. Sometimes accidents happen and aim is off. I wrestled with my brother and cousins and sometimes you accidentally miss your intended target and hit something you didn't mean to
The "I'm Respecting Your Privacy By Knocking But Asserting My Authority As Your Parent By Coming In Anyway" line from odd parents caught me off guard, lol.
I remember being in middle school the week after this episode aired. Everyone was saying "That's my purse! I don't know you!" I can imagine how confused everyone who doesn't watch King of the Hill was to this day
The episode may have been unfair to Bobby but it's definitely realistic if you've ever had to deal with bullies. So many times were the bullies hardly/never punished but the moment their victims stand up for themselves, the victims get punished. It's messed up but it's realistic because schools and society tend to care more about keeping the status quo and punish whoever dares to challenge it.
I've always thought it might have a lot to do with the attention it brings to the failure of the authority figure to solve the problem. Some teachers seem to write off bullies as too much trouble and never going to change. Then some kid defends themselves and everyone is asking why the teacher didn't stop the bully sooner. Now teach is pissed at the kid that defended themselves for making them look bad and takes it out on an innocent kid that the teacher could have helped in the first place.
Facts. I remember playing football on the schoolyard in 5th grade & some kids lied about the football staying inbounds, when it had gone out of bounds by a foot or more. Four of the guys start backing me up, until I was pretty much against a building, trying to punk me. I don't remember the exact way it happened because it was 26 years ago, but I definitely kicked / kneed one in the balls, grabbed another by his collar & threw him into the bush that was along the building I'd been backed into, and that's what I remember.... before the "adults flipped out" & I got in trouble. It was bullshit, but I was lucky.
TL;DR Both sides get punished for zero tolerance. It's just easier, and it keeps the peace. Bullies most likely go unpunished because; shitty parents raise shitty kids. They wont approve of punishment. As a teacher, the reason for the defender getting punished is for zero tolerance. You can not have this caviat where you can get physical if it's in self-defense, as kids would surely try to abuse it. Since most of these altercations tend to occur when an adult is not present, who attacked first is a matter of he-said-she-said. It's much more effective and resource efficient to have a blanket rule where all participants are punished equally. In the case of the bully getting away with no punishment, that largely depends on the administration, teachers, and parents of the student. Some punishments can be handed down regardless of parent approval, such as a breach of student code of conduct. However, in a case of repeated bullying, further actions for discipline beyond what is outlined in the code of conduct require parent approval. So, a good kid fighting once can be punished under the code of conduct. However, a serial bully likely does not have attentive or active parents and thus will not approve of the further measures.
When Bobby is in the principal's office and he explains to his dad how he won his fights I always bust out laughing. It's his enthusiasm that's so funny.
3:38 Unfortunately, most of the time we get the worst of both worlds. When a kid is being bullied, adults will just stand by and do nothing. But the moment that child tries to defend him or herself, they're the ones who get in trouble. This ultimately teaches kids that they should just shut up and take it which is a horrible lesson to teach. And yes, I'm speaking from personal experience.
From my personal experience, it’s the same but the end result is different. If I got In trouble for defending myself I’d give them a reason to actually punish me. Yeah, I didn’t last long in school
My siblings and I did it anyway. It was worth getting into trouble. Our parents backed us 100%, because they know what a joke the education system and school faculty are.
@@princessmarlena1359 Yup. The vice principal was all big and bad whenever he threatened me with the zero tolerance policy, but he turned into a stuttering twerp when my roughneck construction foreman father came around loudly asking questions. The old man solved me being punished for hitting back would-be bullies by bullying the pencil-pushers! 😂
It taught me to just not get caught. Beat the shit out of one of my bullies once when he was using the restroom. No one said a thing. And I was off his bully list.
Peggy DOES react to getting kicked in the groin, she just holds it in to maintain a front of invincibility to demoralize Bobby. Once Bobby's back is turned she does wince from it.
Plus from what I've heard, while women don't have testicles, which would lead one to assume that there is nothing to hurt down there regardless of testicles
@@CMan-x7k that foot went pretty far up I have a hard time imagining that it didn't hit her right in the button which is also very sensitive but usually has more protection around it then testicles.
I was actually in a women's self defense class where i was taught to kick inside the thigh instead of the testicle. We were told that men are more likely to get a charlie horse cramp that way, while a kick to the nuts would actually give them an adrenaline rush and make them madder and more aggressive.
That's very interesting. I unfortunately don't have a daughter, but if I ever did get one and she was subject to being assaulted in some way shape or form, I would support any method she tried to use to get away.
They captured people’s disturbed confusion *perfectly* every time Bobby yelled “that’s my purse! I don’t know you!” The stop and “🤨” reactions are precisely what you would’ve seen in 1999 or whenever this episode released lol
@@johngoodman4829Although technically speaking, the real "nazis" of today seem to pander to LGBTQ groups. Of course, let's be real: you tell any kind of joke on the Internet nowadays, someone will try to be offended by it. And I mean that, too: people actually try to get offended by stuff nowadays.
I think the confusion about the morals in the episode is that maybe halfway the production, they confused the ideas of "fighting to defend yourself" and "man pride fight
Maybe I was a weird kid, but the explanation that works for me is "Kicking below the belt is like a war-crime. It ain't guaranteed to win it for you, but it is guaranteed to escalate it into something much worse that you definitely don't want."
@@silverblade357 I like the way you think, and while "war crimes don't necessarily count if you win" is true, it's not exactly something kids readily grasp. That's more a lesson for high schoolers.
I don’t remember how young I was, but first time I heard “It’s only illegal if you get caught” I knew exactly what it meant, and I was likely 10-12yo. If you can’t be held accountable for it, then it didn’t happen. It’s really not that complicated.
Growing up bullied, and being shown that adults generally dont care to intervene taught me that i need to handle my problems however is necessary. Yet id also found when i do resolve my issues myself, i tend to be the one in trouble while the instigator gets off free. It is a very bs system that leads to plenty of one-sided punishments like this. KOTH hit the nail on the head with this episode.
Dude I could totally agree with you about that since Growing up I was taught to not fight and find an adult. The only adult around was the bullies parents that always basisly used the old line "Boys will be Boys" with a giggle and "My son would never do that." Leaving me to take matters into my own hands and fight back. Of course every time I did rather than just swash it or leave me alone. They would run to their parents and cry the line "He hit me,he started it" leaving their parents to scold me and put me down with "You see you're always causing trouble and your never going to amount to anything because you don't know how to not make trouble." All the while the bully is standing behind their parents laughing and pointing a finger at me non verbally saying "Sucka" Mind you that was the day and age before every one could record stuff on their phones and prove who really started things.
Hell Yeah!!! When I got into High school is when I started to have that attitude and just started whipping ass. Especially in some cases leaving the kid black and blue so he had a real reason for "Running home to. Mommy."
Imagine if in an alternative ending when Khan was talking to Bobby, Bobby kicks him then Connie reacts by kicking Bobby.That way he would learn the pain of being kicked there.
The moral of this episode is that how you fight is just as important as whether or not you fight. However, it should’ve been how getting bullied can turn you into one. I.E. Bobby.
It’s also about why you fight. The first 3 fights, Bobby is unequivocally in the right - though the third one happened in the wrong setting. Against his dad, he did nothing wrong. It’s only when that boy raised a hand to his mom that I lost him, but still understood, in the episode. The fact that in spite of it all, Peggy never stops believing that her son is, fundamentally, a good boy who’s only trying to cope, makes her the heroine here.
@@endymallorn Yeah. Peggy definitely read the situation better than Hank. Hank romanticized the idea of fighting fair because he's never been bullied. He doesn't know that punk come in groups and pick on weaker targets. Granted, this is the same man who was shocked that a pimp would run a red light.
@@Mlotshaw1 I think the issue is the type of fight you're in. Some people believe in fighting for honor or pride. Some dude insults you, you challenge him to fight over it, and you both fight "fair," to establish your respective places in the pecking order. Nobody is supposed to get more than minor injuries in that kind of fight. Others, myself included, believe you only fight because if you don't, you or someone else is going to get hurt. You don't have the option to not fight in those kinds of cases, and the other guy isn't following any kind of rules. Since losing that kind of fight is going to come with some pretty severe consequences, everything is fair. Your goal is to be as vicious and brutal as possible to win the fight as quickly as possible.
I'm 6'7", 255lbs. I wrestled until 10th grade and played linebacker for 2 year of junior college. I knew how to handle myself and was never really "bullied" per se, but I get that some kids are a little more awkward physically and socially. If a kid gets bullied at school I don't see anything wrong with him/her using ANY means to defend themselves. No one deserves to get bullied.
Hey, that should be a teaching people for the would-be bullies. To quote my old man, "Don't mess with people you don't know. They just might be crazier than you."
I’m 6,1 280 pound dude who was bullied…till I grabbed the bully by the back of the neck and held him out the schools 3rd story window threatening to drop him yes I got in trouble but no one fucked with me after
As a kid who was bullied all I’m gonna say is that schools have zero idea on how to handle this from grade to sr to high they are all blind and have zero idea of context
ya, they'll say they didn't see anything all the way until things escalate, and even if it's perfectly in self-defense, they'll only punish you. it's insane how incompetent teacher's are at dealing with the problem. someone said it teaches student's to just shut up and take it, but it taught me that relying on others to do anything well was only ever going to harm me.
Oh they have an idea. Let the bullying happen at all times. Only intervene when the victim finally stands up for themselves. Which they will actively protect and defend the bully and punish the victim.
@@RJLiamsYup. The only reason I ever got away with fighting back was my old man having my back. The typical twiggy school administrator has no clue how to handle kids, let alone a roughneck construction foreman who comes in asking very loud questions. Dad basically bullied faculty into doing their jobs! 😂
I agree I honestly identified with this episode, I was in a situation where a girl had got two boys to hold my arms so she could kick me in the nuts. My reply was to kick both of them instead . Then finish the girl with a gut punch(I don't condone hitting women but 3rd grade felt like the trenches)
True. The two key factors are a) they can’t identify bad behavior, and b) have protocols in place, making it nearly impossible to properly punish bullying.
The main problem I have with this episode is that Bobby wasn’t kicking random people, he was kick people who were beating him up and threaten to beat him up. I get that Hank doesn’t want him to do that but all he had to do is say “Only do that for self defense and do that for anything else”. I feel like going out of your way to say don’t do that even for self defense is stupid. Self defense is self defense as simple as that.
Met one of the shows artists and character designers at a Con awhile back. He had a bunch of art of the KotH characters in crossover style. One was a drawing of Bobby doing his groin kick to Marvels Thor with the speech bubble: "That beith mine handbag, I doth not know thee!
Man, in two of the fights Bobby was assailed by one person with two people as back up, in the next one he was out right attacked by three people, the next was two potential assailants, and only the last was a one on one. Even if you're in on the "honorable fight" (in a streetfight), nah, A Bobby's gotta do what a Bobby's gotta do.
Two be fair Hank always tries the peaceful approach first but he could have talked to Bobby or even like people were saying taken the boxing lessons slower
@@saralisa823 Bobby wasn't gonna learn jack from gloved boxing though. A bully isn't gonna back off because you snack him about the face. Like, at least teach the boy how to throw a proper punch before tossing him in the deep end.
@@saralisa823 Yeah but Hank was also a star athlete so people would naturally be apprehensive about fighting him. Bobby didn't have an opportunity to be peaceful because no one saw him as a physical threat.
I think Hank was critically injured from being kicked by Bobby because Bobby kicked him harder than many of the others before him, since Bobby was extremely angered by Hank repeatedly hitting him. This isn't the only episode that showed him becoming stronger or more aggressive because of his anger. In a previous episode Bobby punched Joseph so hard that Joseph bled because Joseph was kissing Connie.
It also could have just been the angle he happened to kick him in or something about Hank's unmentionables being more sensitive than the average man's for whatever reason. Maybe due to his narrow urethra (joke)
Hank is 100% right about standing up for yourself. I didn't get bullied much but the few times people tried to mess with me I always stood up for myself. Even the times I "lost" the fight or engagement, the end result was the same they stopped messing with me and found someone who was less trouble to pick on. If you put up a good fight and show people you're not easily moved, they back off substantially, if not completely. I have had people twice my size back off just because they saw how willing I was to fight them when challenged. For most people, it really is just about being courageous and standing your ground.
The phrase "There's a time and place for everything" means a lot more than it lets on. In that episode's case, hitting the crotch in a regulated place like a boxing match is off limits, but in unregulated places like in streets, allyways and forests, it's pretty much a last resort.
I grew up in Philly where you'd have a good day if you only had three physical altercations and kicking in the balls was considered an appropriate attack. If you didn't try and coldcock a guy when their guard was down you had it coming if you lost a tooth or someone pissed on your while you were unconscious. Little off topic but I always found the street rules of different cities funny. Someone from New York, where I believe the rules are fists only, would start something down there and get confused when someone gets a big piece of wood or starts kicking them. Honor? What honor? We're in a back alley trying to fight over bumping into each other.
I don't know why everyone talks about kicking the nuts. The testicles are painful, but they aren't vital targets like the liver or the thigh (which contains the nerves which allows someone to stand on his or her own two legs). Attacking the thigh, the liver, the chin, and the temple makes much more sense. Even before there were rules in MMA, nobody attacked the testicles, because they are such a small and non-essential target. Punching the liver or the solar plexus is more sensible than kicking the testicles, and kicking the thigh is also more sensible.
@@موسى_7 I've taken many blows to the thighs and never been dropped, and I've taken enough hits to the chin that I've lost my glass jaw. I imagine if you get hit in the balls enough it's also gonna become harder stun you by it. Everything you suggested of someone gets into fights a lot can be overcome
Iirc the kick caused him to have an ascended testical, where it retracts into the body. Although it doesn't make much sense because it's typically painless. Would have made more sense if it was a testicular crush or torsion, or if they'd just explained it was badly bruised.
I agree with your stance on parents intervening with bullying. I was bullied frequently in school, and my Dad had to fight to hold himself back. Even so, he knew I had to learn how to defend myself, but if things looked too hard, he always reminded me that, if I felt overwhelmed, he'd always try to help as he could. There was only one or two bullies that I actually needed his help dealing with, and these were the bullies that the school ignored because the bully came from an abusive home, & they used "my privilege of having two loving parents" (seriously, you thought "considering your privilege" was a new thing, right?) as a way to excuse the bully's bad behavior. I'm glad he was always there, but he was right to let me learn to deal with it, too.
Wish my parents were like that; I told my parents that I was being bullied and my mother said that "Either you did something to him, or it's because you don't talk to anybody / are different". I don't think I would be able to ever forget that
3:55 all I'll say is this: fighting your own battles and fending for yourself is all well and good, but it's also nice to know someone, especially family members, WILL BE in your corner. Not to mention the two aren't mutually exclusive: you can't look after yourself, but sometimes just you isn't enough
Unfortunately when it comes to fighting it doesn't matter if people would be in your corner, people don't pick fights in fair situations, they pick fights when they have the advantage, be it numbers, or location, everyone has to be ready to defend themselves, not only because some people won't like you and will hurt you for it, but also decay you can never know when someone will try to hurt you for personal gain
Agree, I used to have a coworker who's son was being bullied by an older kid and she talked to his parents to tell the kid to stop bullying her son, nothing changed so she went right to that kid and told him if she heard another word of his son being bullied, she was gonna give him the beatdown of a lifetime, so that's when the kid's parents confronted her and she responded by saying "it's a warning, either you stop your kid or I will" so the bullying stopped. We're latinos so you're taught if you get beaten at school, you're gonna get another beatdown at home for losing, but that wasn't her way, her kids came first. I loved that story and I would definitely step in if my kid's being bullied.
"That's my purse" may be the more famous meme from this episode, but I have a softer spot for "vidya gaem". Far more relatable since I lived my life surrounded by people who pronounced it just like that.
Thank you for mentioning that not having testicles doesn't mean you're immune to getting kicked in the crotch. I've been kicked in the pubic bone HARD and it's painful AF..
I accidentally walked into a table corner once…I had literally never been in that kind of pain before. Worst part was I was in the middle of class, so I had to just sit down and pretend that everything was alright.
I hit corners and accidentally pull boxes into my pubic bone at work. Fell into an open manhole as a child where my legs spread and don't think I ever been the same. I should also be wearing a helmet to be honest. I'm real dense.
When I was in high-school (a boarding school) i distinctly remember one of the other sophomores, a German student named Max, was punished for involvement in a fight. Max was sort of an honor student, and athletic enough to handle himself. He took the beating knowing that fighting had consequences. He was still punished anyway for being involved in the incident at all. Some schools, even private ones, don't care about the context.
Making Connie more unlikable than Bobby was a huge misstep as well. She knows that Bobby gets bullied all the time. She has seen it. She has seen he's been outnumbered before where the jokes and wit doesn't work. But she would prefer him to clown and get the urethra kicked out of him than stand up for himself physically. Like she wanted him to stay a perpetual victim when like you said, the situations she saw, he wasn't being a bully. She was more disappointed in him kicking the kids at school than at Hank, and that made no sense.
Because Connie liked being "the strong one" of the two, as a guy with low confidence/low power is more easily controlled, and in terms of dating, more easy to keep especially if you're a girl who can't compete with your peers. Bobby actually fighting back could lead to a confidence boost , and in turn snowball into Bobby impressing girls who might be more attractive than Connie.
@@fieryphoenix586 That's cuz it is and she's also in a lot of cartoon shows that she has starred; right now, she's now the current voice of Leah Stein-Torres from that Ghost and Molly McGee show.
Honestly do what you can to survive a horrible situation. No such thing as fair in a fight for your life if you are cornered. Bobby meanwhile took things too far with hank who also kept popping him. Missed a golden opportunity to bond and learn some boxing. Hank should have been a bit slower with bobby to get him to train and that would have been good to show bobby the ropes.
The problem was having too much fun bopping Bobby and y'know left himself wide open. At least he didn't do like those dads that record themselves boxing their sons until they're a bloody mess.
Exactly, he should have simply asked one of his friends to help show Bobby how to fight and explained that kicking below the belt doesn't always work in every situation or on everyone.
@@yogalover2753 that's where Peggy could have popped in and bobby tried to kick her and in a controlled environment bobby learns that kicking doesn't always work. Bobby would get a lesson. The family would bond and bobby would learn discipline all at the same time. Hank probably didn't explain well enough due to cotton just being a doer not teacher
@@DDarkestKnight yeah Hank probably felt his bully mode come out at an easy target. Hank should have let bobby block to teach him and then switch off or you know get him some head gear to guard so Hank can pop him and show bobby to defend himself
Problem is Hank let his own "bully" come out during the boxing lesson, he knew Bobby had no idea what to do or how to block or get a hit and he played the price for it because Bobby got frustrated. Like yeah, Bobby shouldn't have kicked his dad in the nuts, but Hank kind of desserved it. 😅
"I have a little speech for Bobby the day he gets beat up by a bully, but I don't think that's gonna happen. Every time he gets into a jam, he shoves french fries up his nose and makes a new friend" Totally forgot about that line, but good lord, is it underrated!
When Bobby said “but it works”, I said “EXACTLY”. In self defense, there are no morals, just survival. As master splinter once said “seek victory, not fairness”. A mutant rat is 10x a better father for this lesson since not only does he just what his sons to do whatever it takes to get themselves out of a situation, but he also knows how to teach them these lessons. Still, it is good to learn other tactics. For example, some guys might learn to wear a cup and then what?
What I got when Bobby was forced to eat dirt after standing up for himself was that he was surrounded by other guys and my main thought was "if I fight him, I'm getting jumped"
Personally I believe that it is important for kids to know how to fight but it is also important for kids to know when to fight. To be more specific, a kid should not be afraid to go to an adult but they should know how to fight for when fighting as actually called for.
Not just when and how, but most importantly why. You don't hit someone just because they called you a name or insulted a friend, but if that person threatens you or tries to hurt you or someone else, that's why you fight them.
I feel like they wanted so badly to have Bobby look like he did something wrong but the majority of situations that he wound up in, including with Hank, had him being threatened and on the spot. It’s like provoking a puppy but getting upset when it bites you. Edit: Because people have been saying this, I want to add that I don’t condone what Bobby did to Hank. The only thing wrong that Hank did was go right into bopping Bobby rather than demonstrating his techniques with something like a punching bag. Bobby should have not have kicked Hank but it’s easy to understand why he did because he equated it as a physical attack and lashed out.
Agree 100%, Bobby could have been a sixth degree black belt and still been at a disadvantage being cornered by 3 jocks twice his size. They clearly had no intentions of fighting fair so why should Bobby?
I can't agree with the Hank part. As stated in the video, that wasn't a fight. That was a sparring session to teach Bobby. Bobby lost his temper, broke the agreed rule, and intentionally went on to disrespect Hank by taunting him. Then took advantage of Hanks injury. That's a huge part of training someone in self defense or how to fight in general, it's just as much teaching someone to hold their anger as much as it is how to throw a punch.
@@John.McMillan I agree with you on that. I do think that Hank did not teach Bobby properly and as such, what happened to him was sadly an eventuality. Bobby of course is at fault for his action and his behavior afterwards is appalling but he never fully understands just why his actions were wrong because most of his fights were unfair. The lesson overall falls flat and it’s an episode that just feels like an exaggerated meme.
wait... im sorry but... how the actuall FUCK was he threatened in the hank part? the man was just trying to teach him a better way to fight and defend, and he fucking kicked him in the testicles, which not only is the OPPISITE of what hank said, thats horrible! dont kick your god damn father in the balls! and you might say "oH bUt HaNk WaS pUnChInG hI-" YEAH AND SO WHAT?! he wasnt even punching that hard! that wouldnt hurt at ALL and bobby still resorted to "sElF dEfEnCe"! bobby was not at all in the right!
@@AntiUTTPUnion He wasn’t right about kicking Hank at all. In Bobby’s mindset, he was equating Hank bopping him as a threat and it got him angry so he did the only thing he knew how to do. It doesn’t make it right in any way yet that was all he knew. The only thing wrong that Hank did was not demonstrate his techniques before going right into bopping.
You mentioned Bobby needing to understand what it feels like to get hit in the nads. My mother told me a story about one of her cousins who was about 6 at the time who learned what happens when you kick a man there. Apparently at a family get together he did that to my grandfather, my grandfather despite the pain decked him back in his nads, and that cousin NEVER hit a man there again...that we know of.
Gotta say that as a Tennessean raised in South Carolina, I completely understand why the same folks who are ok with using guns to defend themselves also might have issues with kicking below the belt. It's part of the whole "Southern Manners/Hospitality" thing which is why we will tell you "Bless your heart" instead of "go fuck yourself", even though they mean the same thing. It's all about appearances. Also, I love that you called out the fact that there are no rules in the street, once someone's started a fight you haven't agreed to (or vice versa) all bets are off. They don't even need to want to injure you, you take a punch and your head eats asphalt, that can severely injure or even kill you. It's one thing if y'all agree to mutual combat (legal in a number of states), but someone jumps you then you're allowed to defend yourself to the fullest extent of the law
I love how schools nowadays are quick to act as if they're against bullying. But a decade earlier, really didnt do shit about it until kids startee un-alivng themselves. Let's be honest, a bully isnt gonna stop harassing you until you defend yourself. And schools fail to understand that notion.
defend yourself well, and outside of the view of the ones who punish self-defense, and they won't come back. something that doesn't get mentioned often enough in these kinds of discussions is the power of forgiveness. you don't just want to make it easy for them to not continue to fight, you want to make it easy for them to stop entirely.
@@davidlewis6728 The bullies will just tell the parents and the school will punish the victim anyway. Word of a fight in school always travels around. Also the bully tends to pick the time and place. The victim has little to no say in the matter.
This is one of my all time favorite Bobby episodes of KOTH! However I will admit that there was a limit to Bobby kicking people in the nuts, namely when he did it to Hank because you know doing it to defend himself against bullies was one thing but doing it to his own father was definitely crossing the line.
Imagine if they tried to break Bobby of his nutt kicking habit by letting someone kick him the testicles, Which in a way would be good because if Bobby knew for himself exactly how painful getting kicked below the belt can be, Then he would definitely never want to kick anyone in that area again.
I also like to add on to this that kicking below the belt is wrong not because it’s an unfair advantage, but because it is deemed as abuse! It’s one thing to use it in the street when multiple people are attacking you but when Bobby did it to Hank, that was crossing the line.
Thank you for another great review! I have two of takeaways: The first is that the school's handling of the fight between Bobby and Chen is spot on. Schools frequently punish the victim when the victim fights back while doing nothing with the actual bully. I thought I was wasn't remembering my youth right, but anytime I mention this online I get a lot of people commenting that they noticed the same in school. The second is that I do feel like Hank's position is consistent with his small town Texas values. Hank likely envisions school fights as character-building experiences. His school fights probably involved becoming BFFs afterwards or buying the other guy an Alamo in a bar fight. In other words _he doesn't view these fights as serious or dangerous._ I'm sure if there was a life or death situation that he would be proud of Bobby for kicking the threat in the nuts. Hank could have explained this, but I think Hank sees all of this as so self evident that he doesnt think to do it.
I’d very well believe that Chane didn’t get a detention at all, on the logic that the crotch-kick was the only thing the principal took exception to. I think the show genuinely believed Hank’s sentiment that the best way to learn to fight, is to get beat up until you don’t get beat up, because they really wrote themselves into a corner on Connie’s reaction to everything.
'We all have those feelings' combined with Hank being the worst off of Bobby's "victims" seems to imply that Bobby really did vent some pent up aggression towards Hank in particular. He must have given Hank torsion if he kicked him hard enough to put him down for that long!
Surprised you hadn't already done this, but it's a welcome sight. I forget if you've mentioned Hey Arnold in your general watching history, but the episode Mugged is one I feel like could be an interesting comparison of sorts, since Arnold learns about martial arts more and his grandma is quite fun, especially since Tress MacNeille voices her
@@bigmacsama I barely remember most Nickelodeon stuff anyway, but that did stick in my head, much like the one with Mr. Hyunh's daughter and the background of the Vietnam War, I believe Rocket Power also was kind of distinct in my memory, mostly one line from one episode. "Schmear?"
@@TheTrueDiablix True, this one kind of just uses it for comedy more than much of a lesson as I recall. Sad how seemingly there aren't even boxsets for S7-12, last I checked. I got 1-6 for a pretty good bargain, but not sure S7-12 boxsets exist, mostly just streaming options
@@LorddacenshadowindThe Moral Wasnt Bangeled Bungled Hank Hill Was A Bully Himself And And Never Got Punished For It And He Them Had The Audacity To Punish Bobby Hill For Being A Victim Of Bullying?.
Honestly, if the writers actually went with that last option of Shady's, and had Bobby kicked in the groin himself, I feel like this episode would be a lot better and have a better payoff to it. That's what I was really hoping for, and got disappointed that it didn't happen and that Bobby really didn't learn a lesson in the end. Great video as usual Shady! I enjoy these KotH analysis videos.
When it's a fight for your life or being mugged on the street, or home invaded, nothing is off the table, anything goes. I honestly wonder what Cotton would have said about this, maybe something along the lines of "Tojo didn't aim above the belt when he peppered my shins with his Japanese lead!" he probably did all sorts of things when he fought Japan, maybe he would have taught Bobby to go for the trachea.
My grandma knocked someone out cold with a heavy frying pan in the 70s. Came home to find a guy rifling through her underwear drawer, and because of the way the house was set up, he really had no where to run and she concussed him with it. She had five kids at the time, pregnant with my mom, and her husband at work.
I was bullied in middle school. My parents efforts to end the bullying made it worse. It ended when i went ape shit and slammed a bully against a chalk board and strangled him. That ended all bullying of me. It also made me “the crazy big guy”. Made life easy.
I'd also like to point out how Principal Moss pushed Bobby to skip the context of his act of defense, and straight to the deed he did, when telling Hank and Peggy about his fight with Clark Peters.
What i never understood about the hitting below the belt part of this ep is bobby was often outnumbered, why did he never mention that part? It was never a fair fight in the first place. Ive wondered how would hank have felt if bobby injured him legitimately, landed a lucky punch. Would he have been mad or happy?
I think Bobby is one of those "needs to see how it is to properly learn" types. I think someone kicking him in the balls would have been a proper eye opener for him.
I'm from Texas and I was taught from a very early age that it's dishonorable and unnaceptable to kick someone in the groin. My ex wife told me (after watching this episode, actually) that she'd rather I die than win by kicking someone in the groin, and she'd leave me if she ever found out I did that, because of shame. So the reactions on KOTH seem pretty realistic to me.
And depends on the angle you hit them. I've had it be debilitating where I couldn't get up for a few minutes to I had to calm down or I was going to beat someone into pudding.
Anyone who has taken a blow to the boys knows that the real pain is delayed. If you're going to kick someone there you'd better follow up. Otherwise you might find out how much damage someone can do to you in less than 5 seconds
@@als3022I can see that, I seen different reactions to when I hit guys there. Mostly by accident. I was long and lanky, As a kid. Elbows and knees. So when rough housing I accidentally hurt if I was playing with a boy. Always felt really bad. Also couldn't stop from finding it funny. Really conflicting emotion. Feeling awful that I hurt them but can't stop but find it funny because it's something like America's funniest home videos. I've been hit between the legs before and it hurts, Because they hit bone and that bruises and hurts. But never hurt to the extent that I reacted to the way that I saw guys react. Only have one memory of intentionally hitting a guy in a crotch on purpose. Although even then it was an instant reaction, Not a chosen decision. I was 10 and a 12 year old Boy tried sticking his hand up my Training bra While we were hiding together for a game. I didn't think my body just moved. Felt a hand go up my shirt and instantly turned around and kneed him, Like Thor's hammer cracking eggs. I did feel really bad about that. My dad was an ex Marine, He drilled fighting in me since I was really little. I used to have to fight him. I was taught to box,Wrestle , Fight dirty, Weak points, pressure points, How to throw a proper punch and how to use the environment to my advantage. All before the age of 13. But I was also taught to never start fights just finish them.
My daughter asked me after watching this episode And I just told her *generally* speaking, in a man vs man fight, hitting below the belt is *generally* considered dishonorable Though the Ron Swanson rule: "No shame in striking the bean bag of a would be mugger" still applies.
4:14 That sums up my feelings about bullying pretty closely. Scrapes and bruises are a fact of life regardless of age but when bones start getting broken, it's time to intervene.
There was also a moment in the episode where Bobby outright tells Hank that his bullies make him literally eat dirt, and asks if Hank seriously wants him to not do the one thing that will let him protect himself. This shows how a feeling of powerlessness is what led him to relying on his crutch move. While Hank was right to try to teach Bobby how to fight, he should've seen that testicular tamping coming. He knew that Bobby had been overwhelmed and victimized numerous times, and that Bobby had found a way to finally defend himself. Despite that knowledge, he still put Bobby in a situation where he felt cornered and overwhelmed by someone he couldn't beat in a fight without knowledge of another way to defend himself. Bobby tried backing away from Hank and blocking, but Hank kept coming at him. Bobby, wanting this perceived assault to stop, defaulted to his crutch move. Psychologically, Hank's "Civil fight" mirrored the previous victimizations that Bobby had to endure. Putting Bobby in a situation where he felt overwhelmed and outmatched was like a dog trainer trying to mitigate an aggressive dog's behavior by chasing it into a corner. Hank both failed to tell Bobby why hitting below the belt was dishonorable, AND focused on honor and fairness instead of the fact that Bobby was using a crutch move. In addition to this, Hank ignorantly put himself into a scenario where harm was highly likely. Granted, Bobby did seem enraged rather than fearful, it's entirely plausible that he was just sick of feeling like a victim and this fight, where he didn't know hoe to properly defend himself against a more powerful "threat", perfectly recreated those moments where he was bullied by people who clearly had the advantage over him. Hank failed to think ahead (which isn't surprising, given how stoic and reserved he is in emotional and psychological situations), and that puts him at partial fault for what happened. Bobby, as a person with a higher consciousness than an animal, obviously should've listened to his father and obeyed, but Hank still poked a bear.
Dude…. How come everyone forgets that Hank is really good at kicking people ? The dude literally kick somebody’s ass so hard he lifted him up into the air and people are actually afraid when he says he’s going to kick their ass Because we found out that it’s a literal statement
@@northerntoeyes but Hank usually goes up against people who are smaller than him. I don't think Hank has encountered a physical problem that can match him physically. Hank is a big dude. According to Google Hank is 6"2 and 220lbs. Hank is also a tough athletic person.
@@Hater20X Hank has never been above threatening physical violence, though he never seems to be prepared for when people aren't afraid of him. There was one time he tried that on John Redcorn and Redcorn just looked him straight in the eye and he backed down almost instantly. Then there was that reincarnated lama episode when he tried threatening a monk and Hank just left the convo frustrated because the monk didn't care.
I admit I had mixed feelings when I watched this when I was younger. Part of me was kind of mad at Hank for punishing Bobby the way he did...to me it came off as him just doing it out of bitterness for Bobby hurting him, at the same time though Bobby should have just learned to fight properly, and he would probably do that easier if he got himself in better physical shape. And as you said, the episode fails to properly explain why kicking below the belt is not good in all situations.What's even stupider is how the episode forgets that Bobby knows how to wrestle...so he already knows a civilized form of fighting but he could have used, also it's been shown in other episodes before this that Boby knows how to punch pretty well, demonstrated by what he did to Joseph for kissing Connie during his 13th birthday party. But no, the writers, for the sake of the plot, needed Bobby to be weak and incompetent.
Well you do bring up a valid point about the wrestling civilized fighting only matters in situations were both parties agree to it Once they start actively trying to use the numbers like a majority of the situations in this episode game alls fair
@@zombieslayer2016m just saying theoretically Bobby could have used some of his wrestling moves to subdue Chang, doesn't matter if both are using wrestling or not, or if there was more than one person he was dealing with, the whole point of wrestling is physically grappling and holding someone into submission, that can be used in almost any sort of situation or environment where physical fights are involved.
@@Absolute_Jokerwell to be honest Joseph was wrong to do what he did, BUT the only reason Joseph ended up in that situation to begin with was to apologize to Connie on Bobby's behalf, because Bobby offended her by trying to have Joseph watch him and Connie make out. Bobby was being a pretty self-centered jerk in the episode, both because he thought becoming 13 was him reaching manhood, AND because of insecurities he himself was feeling because of Joseph hitting puberty and looking older and more physically attractive than him. Connie naturally doesn't like Bobby behaving like that around her, and here comes Joseph, who is dealing with a lot of problems in his life because of hitting puberty, being humble and more sensitive (though Joseph immediately ruins this image immediately after when he tries to make out with Minh who was treating his bloody nose from Bobby punching him). All in all, Bobby, Joseph, AND Connie act like a bunch of brats. 😂🤣 A true coming-of-age story that one.
This is like in the tv series "Grounded for Life". A nerdy young boy was constantly being bullied at school. Until his older sister stepped in. And she really gave the bullies a hard time. Until one or more of the boys complained about her to the school and parents (naturally leaving out WHY she was terrorizing them) and she was told to stop. With her out of the picture, the bullies really went after the girls brother. I didn't see how it ended because I had to leave, but I liked how it handled the bullied the bullihes
I think the episode where Hank and Bobby take Tilly's furniture to AZ needs a look. In that episode, though were told she's only seeing Dale, it appears she and the cop she was reporting Dale missing to were getting busy. When Nancy answers the door her robe is drawn extra tight and the cop is covering his junk.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS THANKS SHADY! i love you KOTH episodes and was REALLY hoping you would do one on this episode! also please think about doing the new Futurama episodes
I do think it’s mildly amusing that even Chang knows Bobby ain’t gonna try nothing with Connie, so much so that when he catches just them together he goes “So I heard about your fight.” Conversationally.
Seeing Bobby learn kickball is pretty satisfying. I definitely don't agree that critics out number fans of the episode that made it into a meme. Using a crutch in a fight is unfair... Al of Bobby's previous fights were still one on one, and above the belt
The first fight where he was made to eat dirt involved multiple people and so did the one in detention. the only times that he kicked someone in the crotch and it was a one-on-one situation was Hank and when he was defending the other kid Also I didn't see any referees involved in any of those the minute somebody starts shit outside a sanctioned fight rules go out the window because you don't know when the other person is actually going to stop
@@zombieslayer2016Yeah that's why I said before, as in before Bobby started kicking. And though there were 3 boys at the start of the episode it was Chang alone who was getting physical with Bobby.
@@mimoe7587 and what if bobby had actually tried to fight back its just as likely that they may have gotten involved theres a time and a place for taking the high road and that was not one of them
I am on the Darwinian side of the line when it comes to bullying - it’s a cruel world and a kid has to learn to make it in it, but by that same merit if a kid does defend themself you don’t get to restrict their methods. Hank if you’re going to leave Bobby to the wolves, you don’t get to scold him for animal abuse.
@@tigrerojo9685 that's not what was said at all. If you want to point out that bullying can lead to suicide, you should do so without insulting and strawmanning. If it's bad enough for someone to kts, it probably wasn't because they failed to stand up for themselves.
I honestly think some adults get their rocks off by watching the young drown. Hank did nothing to help Bobby learn how to fight. All he taught Bobby is that men are going to physically abuse him until he makes them stop by any means possible.
@@chrischin_94 Incel literally used "survival of the fittest" in his comment, it takes a special kind of shitstain to even try to pretend he wasnt talking about suicide.
If you never learn how to stand up for yourself, you will be taken advantage of your entire life. There are many ways to defend yourself, you have to find the one that works.
As someone who was bullied in middle school and was regularly jumped by groups of people, I used any means to defends myself. When one kid stabbed me with a pencil, I hit him with a textbook. When a group of kids tried to jump me in in the bathroom I punched one of them with my house keys. That being said, nobody ever went from for the groin, honestly never even thought about it. I guess it was kind of a nuclear option, one person goes for the groin, and everyone does, idk, it just never happened in my schools. Also schools at least in Florida, do not differentiate between the victim and aggressor and rely on a No Tolerance policy. Which means anyone involved in a fight is suspended, and then put in detention. When my parents complained to the Principal with multiple accounts of evidence of my frequent harassment, and assaults, he argued that I must have done something to instigate all of my fights, otherwise I wouldn't be involved in fights to begin with.
I would classify this episode as one of the most mixed of mixed bags. There was a lot of really strong potential in what they wanted to do and a few different ways that the writers could have achieved it. We see glimmers of this in the early scenes, where feel the episode best hit its stride. The way the situation naturally flows into Bobby ending up at the sleepover, the conflict with Chang, him getting bullied by the three other boys, and how all of that leads to going to the Y and ending up in a self-defense class where he is out of place and picks up the idea to punt other boys in the persimmons are all handled well. But I think the episode fails in pretty much every way you said, and then some. The writers went wrong in more places than just failing to explain the why behind the moral stance Hank and the episode itself tries to take, and the chief brunt of that I think falls on the fact that the writers really didn't know how they wanted to approach that moral while also making the assumptions you say. While this does leave the narrative peppered with funny moments, it also leaves it confused, and the biggest victim of this is Bobby. By far my biggest gripe with this episode is that the writers failure pick a specific reasoning or driving element within the narrative to justify the moral framework they're using ultimately puts Bobby in one of those very out of character positions where he comes across as a little prick by the end. The way this episode ends is so out of character for the type of kid we see Bobby being most of the time that it leaves a real sour taste in my mouth. It's a damn shame considering how well the episode starts.
I'm a little surprised that Hank never confronted Bobby's self-defense teacher because he always does that in other episodes when Bobby learns something he doesn't like. If they wanted to debate the ethics of hitting below the belt, then having the person that taught Bobby to do it should absolutely have a voice
@@megabladechronicles962 I think the problem was that Hank put way too much blind trust in Bobby that he didn’t bother with accompanying him to the Y or even talked about how it all went. Plus his lack of any sort of sympathy with Chane bullying Bobby has people remembering that Hank used to be a bully (and even looked back fondly on those days) and so doesn’t see the problem with bullying but sees a problem with being bullied i.e. being a victim because victims are seen as weak.
@@NeedlessExposition Still though, I think the episode could have benefitted from Bobby's instructor explaining to Hank that in a street fight, hitting below the belt is perfectly acceptable. Learning boxing is great and all, but at the end of the day its a sport with rules to stop people from getting too hurt, id love to see the instructor point that out to Hank
@@megabladechronicles962 Oh definitely. The problem, though, is that the show was headed in the “Hank is always the voice of reason” direction so showing him needing to learn a lesson was the equivalent of slapping the Queen of England across the face.
I always love your videos shady, your analysis of these social situations are always extremely thoughtful and its criminal you don't have a larger viewer base. Have my like and may the algorithm bless you brother.
You know what could have been interesting, having Dale be the one to teach Bobby self-defense and show him to kick people in the nuts. He's weak and not afraid to fight dirty just like Bobby
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I may have been mistaken when I said most people are critical of this episode. Plenty of people are, but I'm getting enough contradicting comments to make me second guess it being an overwhelming majority.
U da best! Can't wait for ur synopsis of the finale!
Whe re u been bro
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It's a great episode. My great aunt and uncle are almost 90, and this is one of their favorites.
Great Video Shady!
Please do a video on Kotaro Lives Alone!
I implore you to find my thread. im speaking very sincerely when I say I watched this the day it came out. it sticks for reasons that are hard to explain
In self defence, nothing is below the belt. If someone tries assaulting me, they getting some pocket sand
I'd also hit them with SQUIRREL TACTICS!
SHISHA
You feign the dreaded nad kick and then *thumb in the eye!*
XD pocket sand!
100% agree once a fight starts there is no more "honor." This isn't a boxing match, it's a street fight.
Peggy: "I believe you will find I do not have testicles. Where's you secret weapon now?"
Kahn: "She's bluffing... FINISH HER!"
Easily my favorite line in the whole series.
Kahn’s “She’s bluffing …FINISH HER!” Is the best line of the episode.
The best part is that it later shows she was indeed bluffing.
Still my favorite line from Khan.
I died bro
Bill's delivery of "You. Have. Been. Kicked. In. The. Test-icles." is one of the most underrated lines in this episode imo
You got knocked the f*** out
Especially the vocoded version
“Bah”
In the whole show. I love that line.
that always got me!
Kahn: (Talking to Bobby)
"I heard what you did to Chane Wassonasong - unforgivable!
But then I hear what you did to your father - very funny. So I'm conflicted."
Possibly my favourite line from the whole series and one that perfectly summarises Kahn's character.
His line about Peggy in the same episode was pretty great too
It's endlessly endearing to me how ready Peggy is to throw down when people mess with the people she loves.
It’s probably my favorite quality that Peggy has. Hank might have been the football player but Peggy’s the fighter who’ll protect her family without hesitation.
I would hope that most women are like that.
@@twistedyogertMost loving women, yes.
I hate Peggy most of the time but she does love a good scrap
She'll put her 16 1/2 size shoes up your ***
realistically, hank should of preemptively worn a cup and showed "see bobbie? sometimes that move of yours wont work and thats why its better to learn how to properly fight rather than using a dirty trick like that."
Exactly. You would think Hank would have realized that Bobby would still try to kick him out of reflex, and would have worn a protective cup.
Lmao anyone who’s in a fight would tell you there’s no such thing as proper fighting. But you always stop when they hit the ground is what I was taught.
@@Shauntheduke.I was taught that when they can’t run you down, you gtfo. That doesn’t mean always hitting the ground - I’ve had opponents still standing when I broke and ran, and I’ve had situations where I had to get into a ground fight. The point is, you should always be looking for the way out.
It wouldn't be realistic for Hank to do that. Doing so would mean that he thinks his son is less than honest and would purposely hurt him.
Hank isn't nearly as harsh as Cotton so he shouldn't expect it.
He should have worn a cup regardless. Sometimes accidents happen and aim is off. I wrestled with my brother and cousins and sometimes you accidentally miss your intended target and hit something you didn't mean to
The "I'm Respecting Your Privacy By Knocking But Asserting My Authority As Your Parent By Coming In Anyway" line from odd parents caught me off guard, lol.
I remember being in middle school the week after this episode aired. Everyone was saying "That's my purse! I don't know you!" I can imagine how confused everyone who doesn't watch King of the Hill was to this day
Same here 😂
The episode may have been unfair to Bobby but it's definitely realistic if you've ever had to deal with bullies. So many times were the bullies hardly/never punished but the moment their victims stand up for themselves, the victims get punished. It's messed up but it's realistic because schools and society tend to care more about keeping the status quo and punish whoever dares to challenge it.
I've always thought it might have a lot to do with the attention it brings to the failure of the authority figure to solve the problem. Some teachers seem to write off bullies as too much trouble and never going to change. Then some kid defends themselves and everyone is asking why the teacher didn't stop the bully sooner. Now teach is pissed at the kid that defended themselves for making them look bad and takes it out on an innocent kid that the teacher could have helped in the first place.
True I got in trouble for yelling at them when it was them who always bullying me and the teachers did sh2t.
Facts.
I remember playing football on the schoolyard in 5th grade & some kids lied about the football staying inbounds, when it had gone out of bounds by a foot or more.
Four of the guys start backing me up, until I was pretty much against a building, trying to punk me.
I don't remember the exact way it happened because it was 26 years ago, but I definitely kicked / kneed one in the balls, grabbed another by his collar & threw him into the bush that was along the building I'd been backed into, and that's what I remember.... before the "adults flipped out" & I got in trouble.
It was bullshit, but I was lucky.
Not to mention that the groin is considered a viable target for people who practice martial arts 🥋.
TL;DR Both sides get punished for zero tolerance. It's just easier, and it keeps the peace. Bullies most likely go unpunished because; shitty parents raise shitty kids. They wont approve of punishment.
As a teacher, the reason for the defender getting punished is for zero tolerance. You can not have this caviat where you can get physical if it's in self-defense, as kids would surely try to abuse it. Since most of these altercations tend to occur when an adult is not present, who attacked first is a matter of he-said-she-said. It's much more effective and resource efficient to have a blanket rule where all participants are punished equally.
In the case of the bully getting away with no punishment, that largely depends on the administration, teachers, and parents of the student. Some punishments can be handed down regardless of parent approval, such as a breach of student code of conduct. However, in a case of repeated bullying, further actions for discipline beyond what is outlined in the code of conduct require parent approval.
So, a good kid fighting once can be punished under the code of conduct. However, a serial bully likely does not have attentive or active parents and thus will not approve of the further measures.
When Bobby is in the principal's office and he explains to his dad how he won his fights I always bust out laughing. It's his enthusiasm that's so funny.
Me too 😂
3:38 Unfortunately, most of the time we get the worst of both worlds. When a kid is being bullied, adults will just stand by and do nothing. But the moment that child tries to defend him or herself, they're the ones who get in trouble. This ultimately teaches kids that they should just shut up and take it which is a horrible lesson to teach. And yes, I'm speaking from personal experience.
From my personal experience, it’s the same but the end result is different. If I got In trouble for defending myself I’d give them a reason to actually punish me. Yeah, I didn’t last long in school
My siblings and I did it anyway. It was worth getting into trouble. Our parents backed us 100%, because they know what a joke the education system and school faculty are.
@@princessmarlena1359 Yup. The vice principal was all big and bad whenever he threatened me with the zero tolerance policy, but he turned into a stuttering twerp when my roughneck construction foreman father came around loudly asking questions. The old man solved me being punished for hitting back would-be bullies by bullying the pencil-pushers! 😂
That's the number one reason why I HATE schools.
It taught me to just not get caught. Beat the shit out of one of my bullies once when he was using the restroom. No one said a thing. And I was off his bully list.
Peggy DOES react to getting kicked in the groin, she just holds it in to maintain a front of invincibility to demoralize Bobby. Once Bobby's back is turned she does wince from it.
Plus from what I've heard, while women don't have testicles, which would lead one to assume that there is nothing to hurt down there regardless of testicles
@@CMan-x7k that foot went pretty far up I have a hard time imagining that it didn't hit her right in the button which is also very sensitive but usually has more protection around it then testicles.
Kicking your dad in the nuts is funny
Kicking your mom in the clam is fucking hysterical
@@sagedill5993You know what I absolutely _did not_ need a mental image of? Peggy Hills clitoris..
@@CMan-x7kThe force can go into the ovaries, and that WILL hurt.
Hank was sooo proud before he found out Bobby’s way of defending himself 😂
*That's my purse, I don't know you!*
That was and still is hilarious.
Because Hank likes the idea of Bobby being a bully.
I was actually in a women's self defense class where i was taught to kick inside the thigh instead of the testicle. We were told that men are more likely to get a charlie horse cramp that way, while a kick to the nuts would actually give them an adrenaline rush and make them madder and more aggressive.
Wow that's great to know that
The adrenaline and anger is only a factor if you don't run away after kicking a guy in the nuts.
That's very interesting. I unfortunately don't have a daughter, but if I ever did get one and she was subject to being assaulted in some way shape or form, I would support any method she tried to use to get away.
@@nascarfanatic2425honestly I agree. I have no issue with a sexual predator being hit in the crotch.
I have testicles and I don't know if that's true, because if I got kicked in the nuts I would go down like a sack of potatoes, adrenaline or not.
They captured people’s disturbed confusion *perfectly* every time Bobby yelled “that’s my purse! I don’t know you!”
The stop and “🤨” reactions are precisely what you would’ve seen in 1999 or whenever this episode released lol
Back when the idea of a teenage boy carrying a purse was considered comical. Now you're a Nazi if you find it even slightly funny.
@@johngoodman4829Although technically speaking, the real "nazis" of today seem to pander to LGBTQ groups.
Of course, let's be real: you tell any kind of joke on the Internet nowadays, someone will try to be offended by it. And I mean that, too: people actually try to get offended by stuff nowadays.
I think it still works because he doesn't have a purse. It's just a strange battle cry.
@@dustincarter9334 Okay Dustin
@@johngoodman4829 No one fucking does that take your strawman somewhere else
Kahn saying she's bluffing finish her! In responds to Peggy saying she doesn't have testicles will never fail to crack me up!
Me too 😂
I think the confusion about the morals in the episode is that maybe halfway the production, they confused the ideas of "fighting to defend yourself" and "man pride fight
Maybe I was a weird kid, but the explanation that works for me is "Kicking below the belt is like a war-crime. It ain't guaranteed to win it for you, but it is guaranteed to escalate it into something much worse that you definitely don't want."
"...So I should continue striking until the threat is eliminated?"
@@silverblade357 I like the way you think, and while "war crimes don't necessarily count if you win" is true, it's not exactly something kids readily grasp.
That's more a lesson for high schoolers.
That's fucking stupid.
It should be more like "Hitting below the belt is cheating".
I don’t remember how young I was, but first time I heard “It’s only illegal if you get caught” I knew exactly what it meant, and I was likely 10-12yo.
If you can’t be held accountable for it, then it didn’t happen. It’s really not that complicated.
Growing up bullied, and being shown that adults generally dont care to intervene taught me that i need to handle my problems however is necessary. Yet id also found when i do resolve my issues myself, i tend to be the one in trouble while the instigator gets off free. It is a very bs system that leads to plenty of one-sided punishments like this. KOTH hit the nail on the head with this episode.
i tend to agree with the motto if your going to get in trouble anyways for getting bulleid or attacked give them a good reason.
Dude I could totally agree with you about that since Growing up I was taught to not fight and find an adult. The only adult around was the bullies parents that always basisly used the old line "Boys will be Boys" with a giggle and "My son would never do that." Leaving me to take matters into my own hands and fight back. Of course every time I did rather than just swash it or leave me alone. They would run to their parents and cry the line "He hit me,he started it" leaving their parents to scold me and put me down with "You see you're always causing trouble and your never going to amount to anything because you don't know how to not make trouble." All the while the bully is standing behind their parents laughing and pointing a finger at me non verbally saying "Sucka" Mind you that was the day and age before every one could record stuff on their phones and prove who really started things.
Hell Yeah!!! When I got into High school is when I started to have that attitude and just started whipping ass. Especially in some cases leaving the kid black and blue so he had a real reason for "Running home to. Mommy."
Imagine if in an alternative ending when Khan was talking to Bobby, Bobby kicks him then Connie reacts by kicking Bobby.That way he would learn the pain of being kicked there.
The moral of this episode is that how you fight is just as important as whether or not you fight.
However, it should’ve been how getting bullied can turn you into one. I.E. Bobby.
It’s also about why you fight. The first 3 fights, Bobby is unequivocally in the right - though the third one happened in the wrong setting. Against his dad, he did nothing wrong.
It’s only when that boy raised a hand to his mom that I lost him, but still understood, in the episode. The fact that in spite of it all, Peggy never stops believing that her son is, fundamentally, a good boy who’s only trying to cope, makes her the heroine here.
@@endymallorn Yeah. Peggy definitely read the situation better than Hank. Hank romanticized the idea of fighting fair because he's never been bullied. He doesn't know that punk come in groups and pick on weaker targets. Granted, this is the same man who was shocked that a pimp would run a red light.
You guys seem to think there's a such thing and a fair fight like somebody in a bar won't straight up pull your eyeball out during a fight
@@Mlotshaw1 I think the issue is the type of fight you're in. Some people believe in fighting for honor or pride. Some dude insults you, you challenge him to fight over it, and you both fight "fair," to establish your respective places in the pecking order. Nobody is supposed to get more than minor injuries in that kind of fight.
Others, myself included, believe you only fight because if you don't, you or someone else is going to get hurt. You don't have the option to not fight in those kinds of cases, and the other guy isn't following any kind of rules. Since losing that kind of fight is going to come with some pretty severe consequences, everything is fair. Your goal is to be as vicious and brutal as possible to win the fight as quickly as possible.
@@silverblade357 Hank is woefully naive
I'm 6'7", 255lbs. I wrestled until 10th grade and played linebacker for 2 year of junior college. I knew how to handle myself and was never really "bullied" per se, but I get that some kids are a little more awkward physically and socially. If a kid gets bullied at school I don't see anything wrong with him/her using ANY means to defend themselves. No one deserves to get bullied.
Hey, that should be a teaching people for the would-be bullies. To quote my old man, "Don't mess with people you don't know. They just might be crazier than you."
@@silverblade357I like that quote
My dad always taught me if your in a fight/self defense scenario try to kill your opponent and try to stop before you do
Bully look for easy targets if you hit them with tool or don't expect retaliation they fold quick af
I’m 6,1 280 pound dude who was bullied…till I grabbed the bully by the back of the neck and held him out the schools 3rd story window threatening to drop him yes I got in trouble but no one fucked with me after
As a kid who was bullied all I’m gonna say is that schools have zero idea on how to handle this from grade to sr to high they are all blind and have zero idea of context
ya, they'll say they didn't see anything all the way until things escalate, and even if it's perfectly in self-defense, they'll only punish you. it's insane how incompetent teacher's are at dealing with the problem. someone said it teaches student's to just shut up and take it, but it taught me that relying on others to do anything well was only ever going to harm me.
Oh they have an idea. Let the bullying happen at all times. Only intervene when the victim finally stands up for themselves. Which they will actively protect and defend the bully and punish the victim.
@@RJLiamsYup. The only reason I ever got away with fighting back was my old man having my back. The typical twiggy school administrator has no clue how to handle kids, let alone a roughneck construction foreman who comes in asking very loud questions. Dad basically bullied faculty into doing their jobs! 😂
I agree I honestly identified with this episode, I was in a situation where a girl had got two boys to hold my arms so she could kick me in the nuts. My reply was to kick both of them instead . Then finish the girl with a gut punch(I don't condone hitting women but 3rd grade felt like the trenches)
True. The two key factors are a) they can’t identify bad behavior, and b) have protocols in place, making it nearly impossible to properly punish bullying.
The main problem I have with this episode is that Bobby wasn’t kicking random people, he was kick people who were beating him up and threaten to beat him up. I get that Hank doesn’t want him to do that but all he had to do is say “Only do that for self defense and do that for anything else”. I feel like going out of your way to say don’t do that even for self defense is stupid. Self defense is self defense as simple as that.
Its more of a “boy cant do that” kind of thing. If it was Connie doing that it would have been a different situation.
Met one of the shows artists and character designers at a Con awhile back. He had a bunch of art of the KotH characters in crossover style. One was a drawing of Bobby doing his groin kick to Marvels Thor with the speech bubble: "That beith mine handbag, I doth not know thee!
Man, in two of the fights Bobby was assailed by one person with two people as back up, in the next one he was out right attacked by three people, the next was two potential assailants, and only the last was a one on one. Even if you're in on the "honorable fight" (in a streetfight), nah, A Bobby's gotta do what a Bobby's gotta do.
Two be fair Hank always tries the peaceful approach first but he could have talked to Bobby or even like people were saying taken the boxing lessons slower
@@saralisa823 Bobby wasn't gonna learn jack from gloved boxing though. A bully isn't gonna back off because you snack him about the face. Like, at least teach the boy how to throw a proper punch before tossing him in the deep end.
@@saralisa823 Yeah but Hank was also a star athlete so people would naturally be apprehensive about fighting him. Bobby didn't have an opportunity to be peaceful because no one saw him as a physical threat.
Probably the most well known line from the entire series in this episode.
Pocket sand close second.
I think Hank was critically injured from being kicked by Bobby because Bobby kicked him harder than many of the others before him, since Bobby was extremely angered by Hank repeatedly hitting him. This isn't the only episode that showed him becoming stronger or more aggressive because of his anger. In a previous episode Bobby punched Joseph so hard that Joseph bled because Joseph was kissing Connie.
Also testicular torsion is a potentially life threatening condition and that trauma is a quick way to make it happen
It also could have just been the angle he happened to kick him in or something about Hank's unmentionables being more sensitive than the average man's for whatever reason. Maybe due to his narrow urethra (joke)
@@soupythecatnope that's actually a good point, some parts of a person's body might be more sensitive or weaker than other parts.
Wait, WHAT?! I don't remember that episode. I guess Joseph really is John Redcorn's son.
@@ULTIMATZEKROMIt is the one where Joseph hits puberty, And he makes out with his best friends girlfriend.
We can judge Bobby all we want, but we gotta admit: his one liners are top class
Hank is 100% right about standing up for yourself.
I didn't get bullied much but the few times people tried to mess with me I always stood up for myself. Even the times I "lost" the fight or engagement, the end result was the same they stopped messing with me and found someone who was less trouble to pick on. If you put up a good fight and show people you're not easily moved, they back off substantially, if not completely. I have had people twice my size back off just because they saw how willing I was to fight them when challenged. For most people, it really is just about being courageous and standing your ground.
I had one bully who didn't learn the first time. There wasn't a third time.
Maybe they just didn't know how to fight.
I wonder if Bobby taking out the toughest guy in detention was the original plan but it had to be changed.
The phrase "There's a time and place for everything" means a lot more than it lets on. In that episode's case, hitting the crotch in a regulated place like a boxing match is off limits, but in unregulated places like in streets, allyways and forests, it's pretty much a last resort.
I grew up in Philly where you'd have a good day if you only had three physical altercations and kicking in the balls was considered an appropriate attack. If you didn't try and coldcock a guy when their guard was down you had it coming if you lost a tooth or someone pissed on your while you were unconscious.
Little off topic but I always found the street rules of different cities funny. Someone from New York, where I believe the rules are fists only, would start something down there and get confused when someone gets a big piece of wood or starts kicking them.
Honor? What honor? We're in a back alley trying to fight over bumping into each other.
I don't know why everyone talks about kicking the nuts.
The testicles are painful, but they aren't vital targets like the liver or the thigh (which contains the nerves which allows someone to stand on his or her own two legs).
Attacking the thigh, the liver, the chin, and the temple makes much more sense.
Even before there were rules in MMA, nobody attacked the testicles, because they are such a small and non-essential target. Punching the liver or the solar plexus is more sensible than kicking the testicles, and kicking the thigh is also more sensible.
@@موسى_7 I've taken many blows to the thighs and never been dropped, and I've taken enough hits to the chin that I've lost my glass jaw. I imagine if you get hit in the balls enough it's also gonna become harder stun you by it. Everything you suggested of someone gets into fights a lot can be overcome
I always assumed Hank getting laid up after Bobby kicked him was due to the narrow urethra thing
Iirc the kick caused him to have an ascended testical, where it retracts into the body. Although it doesn't make much sense because it's typically painless. Would have made more sense if it was a testicular crush or torsion, or if they'd just explained it was badly bruised.
I agree with your stance on parents intervening with bullying. I was bullied frequently in school, and my Dad had to fight to hold himself back. Even so, he knew I had to learn how to defend myself, but if things looked too hard, he always reminded me that, if I felt overwhelmed, he'd always try to help as he could. There was only one or two bullies that I actually needed his help dealing with, and these were the bullies that the school ignored because the bully came from an abusive home, & they used "my privilege of having two loving parents" (seriously, you thought "considering your privilege" was a new thing, right?) as a way to excuse the bully's bad behavior. I'm glad he was always there, but he was right to let me learn to deal with it, too.
those people have no idea what privileges means
Wish my parents were like that; I told my parents that I was being bullied and my mother said that "Either you did something to him, or it's because you don't talk to anybody / are different". I don't think I would be able to ever forget that
3:55 all I'll say is this: fighting your own battles and fending for yourself is all well and good, but it's also nice to know someone, especially family members, WILL BE in your corner. Not to mention the two aren't mutually exclusive: you can't look after yourself, but sometimes just you isn't enough
Unfortunately when it comes to fighting it doesn't matter if people would be in your corner, people don't pick fights in fair situations, they pick fights when they have the advantage, be it numbers, or location, everyone has to be ready to defend themselves, not only because some people won't like you and will hurt you for it, but also decay you can never know when someone will try to hurt you for personal gain
Agree, I used to have a coworker who's son was being bullied by an older kid and she talked to his parents to tell the kid to stop bullying her son, nothing changed so she went right to that kid and told him if she heard another word of his son being bullied, she was gonna give him the beatdown of a lifetime, so that's when the kid's parents confronted her and she responded by saying "it's a warning, either you stop your kid or I will" so the bullying stopped. We're latinos so you're taught if you get beaten at school, you're gonna get another beatdown at home for losing, but that wasn't her way, her kids came first. I loved that story and I would definitely step in if my kid's being bullied.
We just got into fights then play BO2 during the 3 day suspension
I know a woman with Bobby saying that famous line as her ringtone for unsaved numbers, it’s hilarious seeing people react to it in public.
"That's my purse" may be the more famous meme from this episode, but I have a softer spot for "vidya gaem". Far more relatable since I lived my life surrounded by people who pronounced it just like that.
Thank you for mentioning that not having testicles doesn't mean you're immune to getting kicked in the crotch.
I've been kicked in the pubic bone HARD and it's painful AF..
Ya it always surprised me because I remember my sister going down hard when she took a soccer ball to the groin in game lol.
Well it's a bone. Hitting a bone even the funny one is painful. If you took a full on c*nt punt you would know better.
I accidentally walked into a table corner once…I had literally never been in that kind of pain before. Worst part was I was in the middle of class, so I had to just sit down and pretend that everything was alright.
I hit corners and accidentally pull boxes into my pubic bone at work. Fell into an open manhole as a child where my legs spread and don't think I ever been the same. I should also be wearing a helmet to be honest. I'm real dense.
Isn't there a split second scene where Peggy has a postponed reaction once everyone Isn't looking?
When I was in high-school (a boarding school) i distinctly remember one of the other sophomores, a German student named Max, was punished for involvement in a fight. Max was sort of an honor student, and athletic enough to handle himself.
He took the beating knowing that fighting had consequences. He was still punished anyway for being involved in the incident at all. Some schools, even private ones, don't care about the context.
That's part of why you fight back. You're going to get punished anyway.
Making Connie more unlikable than Bobby was a huge misstep as well. She knows that Bobby gets bullied all the time. She has seen it. She has seen he's been outnumbered before where the jokes and wit doesn't work. But she would prefer him to clown and get the urethra kicked out of him than stand up for himself physically. Like she wanted him to stay a perpetual victim when like you said, the situations she saw, he wasn't being a bully. She was more disappointed in him kicking the kids at school than at Hank, and that made no sense.
Because Connie liked being "the strong one" of the two, as a guy with low confidence/low power is more easily controlled, and in terms of dating, more easy to keep especially if you're a girl who can't compete with your peers.
Bobby actually fighting back could lead to a confidence boost , and in turn snowball into Bobby impressing girls who might be more attractive than Connie.
I wished someone could make Ashley Spinelli say "That's my purse! I don't know you!" just for fun 😂
That's when I would actually be scared, that girl wears boots!
@@DDarkestKnight
Those boots would give you a free vasectomy!
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Im..... just now realizing Ashley Spinelli and Bobby Hill share the same voice actor. Now I can't unhear it.
@@fieryphoenix586 That's cuz it is and she's also in a lot of cartoon shows that she has starred; right now, she's now the current voice of Leah Stein-Torres from that Ghost and Molly McGee show.
@@DDarkestKnightand their motorcycle boots too. Those things are meant to survive a crash.
Honestly do what you can to survive a horrible situation. No such thing as fair in a fight for your life if you are cornered.
Bobby meanwhile took things too far with hank who also kept popping him. Missed a golden opportunity to bond and learn some boxing. Hank should have been a bit slower with bobby to get him to train and that would have been good to show bobby the ropes.
The problem was having too much fun bopping Bobby and y'know left himself wide open. At least he didn't do like those dads that record themselves boxing their sons until they're a bloody mess.
Exactly, he should have simply asked one of his friends to help show Bobby how to fight and explained that kicking below the belt doesn't always work in every situation or on everyone.
@@yogalover2753 that's where Peggy could have popped in and bobby tried to kick her and in a controlled environment bobby learns that kicking doesn't always work.
Bobby would get a lesson. The family would bond and bobby would learn discipline all at the same time. Hank probably didn't explain well enough due to cotton just being a doer not teacher
@@DDarkestKnight yeah Hank probably felt his bully mode come out at an easy target.
Hank should have let bobby block to teach him and then switch off or you know get him some head gear to guard so Hank can pop him and show bobby to defend himself
Problem is Hank let his own "bully" come out during the boxing lesson, he knew Bobby had no idea what to do or how to block or get a hit and he played the price for it because Bobby got frustrated. Like yeah, Bobby shouldn't have kicked his dad in the nuts, but Hank kind of desserved it. 😅
"I have a little speech for Bobby the day he gets beat up by a bully, but I don't think that's gonna happen. Every time he gets into a jam, he shoves french fries up his nose and makes a new friend"
Totally forgot about that line, but good lord, is it underrated!
Just the mental image of Bobby doing that is funny. If the show had ever _depicted it_ it would've been a riot!
“Why… you up for a game?” Is an unironically HARD line
Just saying hi, just saying hi 👐
When Bobby said “but it works”, I said “EXACTLY”. In self defense, there are no morals, just survival. As master splinter once said “seek victory, not fairness”. A mutant rat is 10x a better father for this lesson since not only does he just what his sons to do whatever it takes to get themselves out of a situation, but he also knows how to teach them these lessons. Still, it is good to learn other tactics. For example, some guys might learn to wear a cup and then what?
Bless Bobby hill for giving us the most sacred line
*THATS MY PURSE! I DONT KNOW YOU!!* 💢
😂😂 I love randomly shouting that out.
words you can hear
That's the line that makes me hate Bobby.
Hank laughing about being bullied reminded me of his flashback of him mocking a fat kid.😂
It's a tough situation to parent in. I'd say teach the boy to fight and keep an eye out for if the bully escalates things. It's a case by case basis.
What I got when Bobby was forced to eat dirt after standing up for himself was that he was surrounded by other guys and my main thought was "if I fight him, I'm getting jumped"
Personally I believe that it is important for kids to know how to fight but it is also important for kids to know when to fight. To be more specific, a kid should not be afraid to go to an adult but they should know how to fight for when fighting as actually called for.
Unfortunately schools foster a culture where victims should be afraid of adults. As schools have actively protected and defended bullies.
Not just when and how, but most importantly why. You don't hit someone just because they called you a name or insulted a friend, but if that person threatens you or tries to hurt you or someone else, that's why you fight them.
My only gripe with this ep is why didn't Bobby climb back through his window? He didn't close it so why is he making the trek to the front door?
PLOT HOLES!
I feel like they wanted so badly to have Bobby look like he did something wrong but the majority of situations that he wound up in, including with Hank, had him being threatened and on the spot. It’s like provoking a puppy but getting upset when it bites you.
Edit: Because people have been saying this, I want to add that I don’t condone what Bobby did to Hank. The only thing wrong that Hank did was go right into bopping Bobby rather than demonstrating his techniques with something like a punching bag. Bobby should have not have kicked Hank but it’s easy to understand why he did because he equated it as a physical attack and lashed out.
Agree 100%, Bobby could have been a sixth degree black belt and still been at a disadvantage being cornered by 3 jocks twice his size. They clearly had no intentions of fighting fair so why should Bobby?
I can't agree with the Hank part.
As stated in the video, that wasn't a fight. That was a sparring session to teach Bobby. Bobby lost his temper, broke the agreed rule, and intentionally went on to disrespect Hank by taunting him. Then took advantage of Hanks injury.
That's a huge part of training someone in self defense or how to fight in general, it's just as much teaching someone to hold their anger as much as it is how to throw a punch.
@@John.McMillan I agree with you on that. I do think that Hank did not teach Bobby properly and as such, what happened to him was sadly an eventuality. Bobby of course is at fault for his action and his behavior afterwards is appalling but he never fully understands just why his actions were wrong because most of his fights were unfair. The lesson overall falls flat and it’s an episode that just feels like an exaggerated meme.
wait... im sorry but... how the actuall FUCK was he threatened in the hank part? the man was just trying to teach him a better way to fight and defend, and he fucking kicked him in the testicles, which not only is the OPPISITE of what hank said, thats horrible! dont kick your god damn father in the balls! and you might say "oH bUt HaNk WaS pUnChInG hI-" YEAH AND SO WHAT?! he wasnt even punching that hard! that wouldnt hurt at ALL and bobby still resorted to "sElF dEfEnCe"! bobby was not at all in the right!
@@AntiUTTPUnion He wasn’t right about kicking Hank at all. In Bobby’s mindset, he was equating Hank bopping him as a threat and it got him angry so he did the only thing he knew how to do. It doesn’t make it right in any way yet that was all he knew. The only thing wrong that Hank did was not demonstrate his techniques before going right into bopping.
You mentioned Bobby needing to understand what it feels like to get hit in the nads. My mother told me a story about one of her cousins who was about 6 at the time who learned what happens when you kick a man there. Apparently at a family get together he did that to my grandfather, my grandfather despite the pain decked him back in his nads, and that cousin NEVER hit a man there again...that we know of.
Gotta say that as a Tennessean raised in South Carolina, I completely understand why the same folks who are ok with using guns to defend themselves also might have issues with kicking below the belt. It's part of the whole "Southern Manners/Hospitality" thing which is why we will tell you "Bless your heart" instead of "go fuck yourself", even though they mean the same thing. It's all about appearances.
Also, I love that you called out the fact that there are no rules in the street, once someone's started a fight you haven't agreed to (or vice versa) all bets are off. They don't even need to want to injure you, you take a punch and your head eats asphalt, that can severely injure or even kill you. It's one thing if y'all agree to mutual combat (legal in a number of states), but someone jumps you then you're allowed to defend yourself to the fullest extent of the law
I love how schools nowadays are quick to act as if they're against bullying. But a decade earlier, really didnt do shit about it until kids startee un-alivng themselves. Let's be honest, a bully isnt gonna stop harassing you until you defend yourself. And schools fail to understand that notion.
Did you mean to say "stop" because you said "start harassing you until you defend yourself" I'm a bit confused.
@@balanc-joy9187 yes
@@wijinsama Okay, good. I thought that was the case, since that one change makes it make total sense.
defend yourself well, and outside of the view of the ones who punish self-defense, and they won't come back. something that doesn't get mentioned often enough in these kinds of discussions is the power of forgiveness. you don't just want to make it easy for them to not continue to fight, you want to make it easy for them to stop entirely.
@@davidlewis6728 The bullies will just tell the parents and the school will punish the victim anyway. Word of a fight in school always travels around. Also the bully tends to pick the time and place. The victim has little to no say in the matter.
This is one of my all time favorite Bobby episodes of KOTH! However I will admit that there was a limit to Bobby kicking people in the nuts, namely when he did it to Hank because you know doing it to defend himself against bullies was one thing but doing it to his own father was definitely crossing the line.
Imagine if they tried to break Bobby of his nutt kicking habit by letting someone kick him the testicles, Which in a way would be good because if Bobby knew for himself exactly how painful getting kicked below the belt can be, Then he would definitely never want to kick anyone in that area again.
@@baymaxinarmor4133Or encourage him to improve his nut kicking game
I also like to add on to this that kicking below the belt is wrong not because it’s an unfair advantage, but because it is deemed as abuse! It’s one thing to use it in the street when multiple people are attacking you but when Bobby did it to Hank, that was crossing the line.
@@ConnorMiller417deemed abuse by who or what committee?
@@willdiesel8431the council of man
Thank you for another great review! I have two of takeaways:
The first is that the school's handling of the fight between Bobby and Chen is spot on. Schools frequently punish the victim when the victim fights back while doing nothing with the actual bully. I thought I was wasn't remembering my youth right, but anytime I mention this online I get a lot of people commenting that they noticed the same in school.
The second is that I do feel like Hank's position is consistent with his small town Texas values. Hank likely envisions school fights as character-building experiences. His school fights probably involved becoming BFFs afterwards or buying the other guy an Alamo in a bar fight. In other words _he doesn't view these fights as serious or dangerous._ I'm sure if there was a life or death situation that he would be proud of Bobby for kicking the threat in the nuts. Hank could have explained this, but I think Hank sees all of this as so self evident that he doesnt think to do it.
Also Hank was a bully so Bobby's perspective is totally foreign to him
I’d very well believe that Chane didn’t get a detention at all, on the logic that the crotch-kick was the only thing the principal took exception to.
I think the show genuinely believed Hank’s sentiment that the best way to learn to fight, is to get beat up until you don’t get beat up, because they really wrote themselves into a corner on Connie’s reaction to everything.
'We all have those feelings' combined with Hank being the worst off of Bobby's "victims" seems to imply that Bobby really did vent some pent up aggression towards Hank in particular. He must have given Hank torsion if he kicked him hard enough to put him down for that long!
Surprised you hadn't already done this, but it's a welcome sight.
I forget if you've mentioned Hey Arnold in your general watching history, but the episode Mugged is one I feel like could be an interesting comparison of sorts, since Arnold learns about martial arts more and his grandma is quite fun, especially since Tress MacNeille voices her
Oh that one was a great episode.
That episode would've been a perfect point of contrast to show how to do it right
@@bigmacsama I barely remember most Nickelodeon stuff anyway, but that did stick in my head, much like the one with Mr. Hyunh's daughter and the background of the Vietnam War, I believe
Rocket Power also was kind of distinct in my memory, mostly one line from one episode. "Schmear?"
@@TheTrueDiablix True, this one kind of just uses it for comedy more than much of a lesson as I recall. Sad how seemingly there aren't even boxsets for S7-12, last I checked. I got 1-6 for a pretty good bargain, but not sure S7-12 boxsets exist, mostly just streaming options
Yes, Shady, I was waiting for this episode! I feel like the moral is kinda bungled though
Hey kitty!!! Love your stuff too
@@LorddacenshadowindThe Moral Wasnt Bangeled Bungled Hank Hill Was A Bully Himself And And Never Got Punished For It And He Them Had The Audacity To Punish Bobby Hill For Being A Victim Of Bullying?.
Honestly, if the writers actually went with that last option of Shady's, and had Bobby kicked in the groin himself, I feel like this episode would be a lot better and have a better payoff to it. That's what I was really hoping for, and got disappointed that it didn't happen and that Bobby really didn't learn a lesson in the end. Great video as usual Shady! I enjoy these KotH analysis videos.
When it's a fight for your life or being mugged on the street, or home invaded, nothing is off the table, anything goes. I honestly wonder what Cotton would have said about this, maybe something along the lines of "Tojo didn't aim above the belt when he peppered my shins with his Japanese lead!" he probably did all sorts of things when he fought Japan, maybe he would have taught Bobby to go for the trachea.
My grandma knocked someone out cold with a heavy frying pan in the 70s.
Came home to find a guy rifling through her underwear drawer, and because of the way the house was set up, he really had no where to run and she concussed him with it.
She had five kids at the time, pregnant with my mom, and her husband at work.
@@therealopaartist I applaud your grandmother, hope the bastard got a nice cozy cell.
@@brothers_of_nod after his trip to the hospital, he did.
I was bullied in middle school. My parents efforts to end the bullying made it worse. It ended when i went ape shit and slammed a bully against a chalk board and strangled him.
That ended all bullying of me. It also made me “the crazy big guy”. Made life easy.
I'd also like to point out how Principal Moss pushed Bobby to skip the context of his act of defense, and straight to the deed he did, when telling Hank and Peggy about his fight with Clark Peters.
What i never understood about the hitting below the belt part of this ep is bobby was often outnumbered, why did he never mention that part? It was never a fair fight in the first place. Ive wondered how would hank have felt if bobby injured him legitimately, landed a lucky punch. Would he have been mad or happy?
Plus Bobby isn't fighting in a friendly boxing tournament. He's fighting niggas who are trying to make him eat dirt and gang up on him
No such thing as a fair fight in today's world
I think Bobby is one of those "needs to see how it is to properly learn" types. I think someone kicking him in the balls would have been a proper eye opener for him.
I'm from Texas and I was taught from a very early age that it's dishonorable and unnaceptable to kick someone in the groin. My ex wife told me (after watching this episode, actually) that she'd rather I die than win by kicking someone in the groin, and she'd leave me if she ever found out I did that, because of shame. So the reactions on KOTH seem pretty realistic to me.
I can see why she's your ex
"Can't someone in the nuts with your own human foot but carrying guns in public is normal."
Americans are fucking weird.
How does Shady not have 1M+ subs yet. This man never misses.
This is the problem with the schools. We are ok with bullies attacking others but, not ok when fighting back.
Honestly the thing that bugs me the most is getting kicked there is often not a one shot....plenty of times it just makes 'em angrier.
Or happier, guess it depends on the guy! 🤷
And depends on the angle you hit them. I've had it be debilitating where I couldn't get up for a few minutes to I had to calm down or I was going to beat someone into pudding.
@@DANCERcowThat is a minority.
Anyone who has taken a blow to the boys knows that the real pain is delayed. If you're going to kick someone there you'd better follow up. Otherwise you might find out how much damage someone can do to you in less than 5 seconds
@@als3022I can see that, I seen different reactions to when I hit guys there. Mostly by accident. I was long and lanky, As a kid. Elbows and knees. So when rough housing I accidentally hurt if I was playing with a boy.
Always felt really bad. Also couldn't stop from finding it funny. Really conflicting emotion. Feeling awful that I hurt them but can't stop but find it funny because it's something like America's funniest home videos.
I've been hit between the legs before and it hurts, Because they hit bone and that bruises and hurts. But never hurt to the extent that I reacted to the way that I saw guys react.
Only have one memory of intentionally hitting a guy in a crotch on purpose. Although even then it was an instant reaction, Not a chosen decision.
I was 10 and a 12 year old Boy tried sticking his hand up my Training bra While we were hiding together for a game.
I didn't think my body just moved. Felt a hand go up my shirt and instantly turned around and kneed him, Like Thor's hammer cracking eggs.
I did feel really bad about that. My dad was an ex Marine, He drilled fighting in me since I was really little. I used to have to fight him.
I was taught to box,Wrestle , Fight dirty, Weak points, pressure points, How to throw a proper punch and how to use the environment to my advantage. All before the age of 13. But I was also taught to never start fights just finish them.
My daughter asked me after watching this episode
And I just told her *generally* speaking, in a man vs man fight, hitting below the belt is *generally* considered dishonorable
Though the Ron Swanson rule: "No shame in striking the bean bag of a would be mugger" still applies.
4:14 That sums up my feelings about bullying pretty closely. Scrapes and bruises are a fact of life regardless of age but when bones start getting broken, it's time to intervene.
There was also a moment in the episode where Bobby outright tells Hank that his bullies make him literally eat dirt, and asks if Hank seriously wants him to not do the one thing that will let him protect himself. This shows how a feeling of powerlessness is what led him to relying on his crutch move.
While Hank was right to try to teach Bobby how to fight, he should've seen that testicular tamping coming. He knew that Bobby had been overwhelmed and victimized numerous times, and that Bobby had found a way to finally defend himself. Despite that knowledge, he still put Bobby in a situation where he felt cornered and overwhelmed by someone he couldn't beat in a fight without knowledge of another way to defend himself. Bobby tried backing away from Hank and blocking, but Hank kept coming at him. Bobby, wanting this perceived assault to stop, defaulted to his crutch move.
Psychologically, Hank's "Civil fight" mirrored the previous victimizations that Bobby had to endure. Putting Bobby in a situation where he felt overwhelmed and outmatched was like a dog trainer trying to mitigate an aggressive dog's behavior by chasing it into a corner. Hank both failed to tell Bobby why hitting below the belt was dishonorable, AND focused on honor and fairness instead of the fact that Bobby was using a crutch move. In addition to this, Hank ignorantly put himself into a scenario where harm was highly likely. Granted, Bobby did seem enraged rather than fearful, it's entirely plausible that he was just sick of feeling like a victim and this fight, where he didn't know hoe to properly defend himself against a more powerful "threat", perfectly recreated those moments where he was bullied by people who clearly had the advantage over him.
Hank failed to think ahead (which isn't surprising, given how stoic and reserved he is in emotional and psychological situations), and that puts him at partial fault for what happened. Bobby, as a person with a higher consciousness than an animal, obviously should've listened to his father and obeyed, but Hank still poked a bear.
This episode taught me Hank doesn't know what fighting in the real world is like. What Bobby really needs is a good BJJ or Krav Maga class.
Yup. He has a romanticized notion of fighting and has *_never_* been the smallest or weakest person in any room.
Dude….
How come everyone forgets that Hank is really good at kicking people ?
The dude literally kick somebody’s ass so hard he lifted him up into the air and people are actually afraid when he says he’s going to kick their ass
Because we found out that it’s a literal statement
@@northerntoeyes but Hank usually goes up against people who are smaller than him. I don't think Hank has encountered a physical problem that can match him physically. Hank is a big dude. According to Google Hank is 6"2 and 220lbs. Hank is also a tough athletic person.
@@Hater20X yes Bobby’s kicking is clearly genetic
The soccer coach even mentioned how Bobby has a really good range of motion
@@Hater20X Hank has never been above threatening physical violence, though he never seems to be prepared for when people aren't afraid of him. There was one time he tried that on John Redcorn and Redcorn just looked him straight in the eye and he backed down almost instantly. Then there was that reincarnated lama episode when he tried threatening a monk and Hank just left the convo frustrated because the monk didn't care.
16:50 is why I love Peggy, we should all be so lucky
I admit I had mixed feelings when I watched this when I was younger. Part of me was kind of mad at Hank for punishing Bobby the way he did...to me it came off as him just doing it out of bitterness for Bobby hurting him, at the same time though Bobby should have just learned to fight properly, and he would probably do that easier if he got himself in better physical shape. And as you said, the episode fails to properly explain why kicking below the belt is not good in all situations.What's even stupider is how the episode forgets that Bobby knows how to wrestle...so he already knows a civilized form of fighting but he could have used, also it's been shown in other episodes before this that Boby knows how to punch pretty well, demonstrated by what he did to Joseph for kissing Connie during his 13th birthday party. But no, the writers, for the sake of the plot, needed Bobby to be weak and incompetent.
Well you do bring up a valid point about the wrestling civilized fighting only matters in situations were both parties agree to it
Once they start actively trying to use the numbers like a majority of the situations in this episode game alls fair
@@zombieslayer2016m just saying theoretically Bobby could have used some of his wrestling moves to subdue Chang, doesn't matter if both are using wrestling or not, or if there was more than one person he was dealing with, the whole point of wrestling is physically grappling and holding someone into submission, that can be used in almost any sort of situation or environment where physical fights are involved.
I remember that Episode, Joseph had it coming to him.
@@Absolute_Jokerwell to be honest Joseph was wrong to do what he did, BUT the only reason Joseph ended up in that situation to begin with was to apologize to Connie on Bobby's behalf, because Bobby offended her by trying to have Joseph watch him and Connie make out. Bobby was being a pretty self-centered jerk in the episode, both because he thought becoming 13 was him reaching manhood, AND because of insecurities he himself was feeling because of Joseph hitting puberty and looking older and more physically attractive than him. Connie naturally doesn't like Bobby behaving like that around her, and here comes Joseph, who is dealing with a lot of problems in his life because of hitting puberty, being humble and more sensitive (though Joseph immediately ruins this image immediately after when he tries to make out with Minh who was treating his bloody nose from Bobby punching him). All in all, Bobby, Joseph, AND Connie act like a bunch of brats. 😂🤣 A true coming-of-age story that one.
Bobby punched Joseph as he stood there numb and ashamed. Not exactly a feather in his cap.
This is like in the tv series
"Grounded for Life". A nerdy young boy was constantly being bullied at
school. Until his older sister stepped in. And she really gave the bullies a hard time. Until one or more of the boys complained about her to the school and parents (naturally leaving out WHY she was terrorizing them) and she was told to stop.
With her out of the picture, the bullies really went after
the girls brother. I didn't see how it ended because I had to leave, but I liked how it handled the bullied
the bullihes
I love how candid Hank is with Bobby in this situation he *knows* his boy has to stand up for himself here.
I think the episode where Hank and Bobby take Tilly's furniture to AZ needs a look. In that episode, though were told she's only seeing Dale, it appears she and the cop she was reporting Dale missing to were getting busy. When Nancy answers the door her robe is drawn extra tight and the cop is covering his junk.
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Bobby Hill also won the Cell Games with that move
I do think it’s mildly amusing that even Chang knows Bobby ain’t gonna try nothing with Connie, so much so that when he catches just them together he goes “So I heard about your fight.” Conversationally.
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Seeing Bobby learn kickball is pretty satisfying.
I definitely don't agree that critics out number fans of the episode that made it into a meme.
Using a crutch in a fight is unfair... Al of Bobby's previous fights were still one on one, and above the belt
The first fight where he was made to eat dirt involved multiple people and so did the one in detention.
the only times that he kicked someone in the crotch and it was a one-on-one situation was Hank and when he was defending the other kid
Also I didn't see any referees involved in any of those the minute somebody starts shit outside a sanctioned fight rules go out the window because you don't know when the other person is actually going to stop
@@zombieslayer2016Yeah that's why I said before, as in before Bobby started kicking.
And though there were 3 boys at the start of the episode it was Chang alone who was getting physical with Bobby.
@@mimoe7587 and what if bobby had actually tried to fight back its just as likely that they may have gotten involved
theres a time and a place for taking the high road and that was not one of them
@@zombieslayer2016 No gloves? No ring? No rules!
Street fighting isn't fair though. You ever been in a fight? Dude, people bite and shit. What.
I am on the Darwinian side of the line when it comes to bullying - it’s a cruel world and a kid has to learn to make it in it, but by that same merit if a kid does defend themself you don’t get to restrict their methods.
Hank if you’re going to leave Bobby to the wolves, you don’t get to scold him for animal abuse.
Yeah, that 12 year old girl that got beaten by a gang of other girls for having lopsided tits had it coming.
only in youtube you see incels supporting *children commiting suicide*...
@@tigrerojo9685 that's not what was said at all. If you want to point out that bullying can lead to suicide, you should do so without insulting and strawmanning. If it's bad enough for someone to kts, it probably wasn't because they failed to stand up for themselves.
I honestly think some adults get their rocks off by watching the young drown.
Hank did nothing to help Bobby learn how to fight. All he taught Bobby is that men are going to physically abuse him until he makes them stop by any means possible.
@@chrischin_94 Incel literally used "survival of the fittest" in his comment, it takes a special kind of shitstain to even try to pretend he wasnt talking about suicide.
If you never learn how to stand up for yourself, you will be taken advantage of your entire life.
There are many ways to defend yourself, you have to find the one that works.
As someone who was bullied in middle school and was regularly jumped by groups of people, I used any means to defends myself. When one kid stabbed me with a pencil, I hit him with a textbook. When a group of kids tried to jump me in in the bathroom I punched one of them with my house keys. That being said, nobody ever went from for the groin, honestly never even thought about it. I guess it was kind of a nuclear option, one person goes for the groin, and everyone does, idk, it just never happened in my schools. Also schools at least in Florida, do not differentiate between the victim and aggressor and rely on a No Tolerance policy. Which means anyone involved in a fight is suspended, and then put in detention. When my parents complained to the Principal with multiple accounts of evidence of my frequent harassment, and assaults, he argued that I must have done something to instigate all of my fights, otherwise I wouldn't be involved in fights to begin with.
Hank is the typical adult that turned a blind eye to the football players pushing kids around and only intervened when the bullied fought back.
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I would classify this episode as one of the most mixed of mixed bags. There was a lot of really strong potential in what they wanted to do and a few different ways that the writers could have achieved it. We see glimmers of this in the early scenes, where feel the episode best hit its stride. The way the situation naturally flows into Bobby ending up at the sleepover, the conflict with Chang, him getting bullied by the three other boys, and how all of that leads to going to the Y and ending up in a self-defense class where he is out of place and picks up the idea to punt other boys in the persimmons are all handled well. But I think the episode fails in pretty much every way you said, and then some.
The writers went wrong in more places than just failing to explain the why behind the moral stance Hank and the episode itself tries to take, and the chief brunt of that I think falls on the fact that the writers really didn't know how they wanted to approach that moral while also making the assumptions you say. While this does leave the narrative peppered with funny moments, it also leaves it confused, and the biggest victim of this is Bobby.
By far my biggest gripe with this episode is that the writers failure pick a specific reasoning or driving element within the narrative to justify the moral framework they're using ultimately puts Bobby in one of those very out of character positions where he comes across as a little prick by the end. The way this episode ends is so out of character for the type of kid we see Bobby being most of the time that it leaves a real sour taste in my mouth. It's a damn shame considering how well the episode starts.
I'm a little surprised that Hank never confronted Bobby's self-defense teacher because he always does that in other episodes when Bobby learns something he doesn't like. If they wanted to debate the ethics of hitting below the belt, then having the person that taught Bobby to do it should absolutely have a voice
@@megabladechronicles962 I think the problem was that Hank put way too much blind trust in Bobby that he didn’t bother with accompanying him to the Y or even talked about how it all went. Plus his lack of any sort of sympathy with Chane bullying Bobby has people remembering that Hank used to be a bully (and even looked back fondly on those days) and so doesn’t see the problem with bullying but sees a problem with being bullied i.e. being a victim because victims are seen as weak.
@@NeedlessExposition Still though, I think the episode could have benefitted from Bobby's instructor explaining to Hank that in a street fight, hitting below the belt is perfectly acceptable. Learning boxing is great and all, but at the end of the day its a sport with rules to stop people from getting too hurt, id love to see the instructor point that out to Hank
@@megabladechronicles962 Oh definitely. The problem, though, is that the show was headed in the “Hank is always the voice of reason” direction so showing him needing to learn a lesson was the equivalent of slapping the Queen of England across the face.
When it comes to a kid and standing up for themselves, I always saw it as a "I got your back, so long as you got your front"
Loved that you got around to this one Shady. A Bill episode like 'Be True To Your Fool' or 'Bills Are Meant To Be Broken' could be the move too
Hank was the bully in highschool when he said "hey fatty, you are fat"
I was like a puppy seeing a treat when I got notified that Shady has a new vid on KOTH 👀
This is my mom's favorite episode. Bobby always cracks her up.
You just inadvertently figured out where Karenitis comes from. From parents who always fight their kids battles for them.
I always love your videos shady, your analysis of these social situations are always extremely thoughtful and its criminal you don't have a larger viewer base. Have my like and may the algorithm bless you brother.
You know what could have been interesting, having Dale be the one to teach Bobby self-defense and show him to kick people in the nuts. He's weak and not afraid to fight dirty just like Bobby