The Reality Of Fish Mortality In Livewell Tournaments (The Bilge Podcast)
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- Chris Zaldain and Trait Zaldain sit down with Gene Gilliland who leads Bassmaster's Conservation efforts in tournament bass fishing to discuss bass mortality in tournament fishing from high school to the Bassmaster Elite Series on this week's Bilge Podcast presented by @battlebornbatteries
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Gene Gilliland is a super good guy and very knowledgeable on how things work (or doesn’t) concerning the health and well being of our water and fisheries and tournaments and what should or shouldn’t be done. Gene has gone way farther than people realize to being a huge proponent for our betterment. Oklahoma had gene for years and he was a big asset.
Great podcast with Gene. Thank you Gene for what you have done and what you are continuing to do for our sport. There is so much more involved then just weighing in fish.
My home lake is Lake of the Ozarks. I’m 45 and have lived in Missouri my whole life and I can tell you I see with my own eyes, after a big tournament bass are flouting days after a big tournament.
🤫, we can’t talk about that… it’s all about the “optics.”
The amount of bass in lake o with messed up jaws is crazy
I have lake house at LOZ and fish there weekly. LOZ is a shadow of itself 10-15+ years ago when 5-7 lbers and up were common . 700 (SEVEN HUNDRED! )tournaments a year. disgusting! atleast get rid of live wells and do what kayakers do. I hate it.
Lots of tournaments out of PB2 thats for sure!
Especially having the stupid a$$ big bass bash during spawn. WTF is the DNR doing allowing 2500 boats on the lake popping the bass on the beds like it was this year. The bass were all up on the beds locked in at LOZ during the big bass bash. That spawn was decimated this year.
That tournament right there shouldn’t be allowed during the spawn. Love LOZ but it’s taking a beating from crap like that.
This man is a Legend. Please keep it up!! Thanks Z for bring him on!!!
Great one in my opinion. You are on the right step to being the voice of this great sport with guest like this. So many people just need to listen to the true facts. This one’s on point. Everyone needs to listen to this one.
Gene is awesome he really tries to make the tournaments fish friendly and really does try to get it better anytime he can. You can tell he cares and works hard at his job. Thanks
Great info on how to better my technique on keeping my bass healthier in my live wells before I get them to the scales !!
Great episode
Love how varied your pods have been. Every person on has at the very least covered similar topics from different perspectives. This was a cool topic from a good dude.
I am a small tournament trail director and I learned a lot from this video. Thanks Chris and Trait! I went to Arkansas Tech University and was on the college fishing team there. Many of the guys on the team were majoring in Fisheries and Wildlife. Those same guys now work for the AGFC and the Black bass agency. I can tell you they care as much as Texas does! You would love it if you came to Arkansas and experienced Dardanelle, Ouachita, Bull Shoals, and a lot of the smaller gems like Lake Nimrod. Please keep the videos coming!
Love that you have people other than the same professional anglers on over and over Like all the other bass podcasts. Great one per usual.
Good one. I definitely feeling more educated on fish care. Plus as a bonus I'm always excited to hear FFS info from a facts based scientific approach instead of an emotional argument. This small segment actually helps move the conversation forward. Nice job guys 👍
Very good program. Very educational. You need more videos like this.
I’ve learned a ton from this podcast. I always took pride in the way I handled and cared for my catch so that they go back the same way they came out. But there is always room for improvement and I will definitely be implementing some of these things at the next tournament.
this is a fucking MONUMENTAL video every bass fisherman needs to watch THIS interview
Glad to hear a shout out for AR bass fishing. Trait the AR bass tourism officials "buy the ice" and forget about bring the circus to town haha
With conservation being talked about so much lately. I’ve been thinking maybe BASS should do catch , weight and release the first few days. Then do live weight ins after the field is cut. I’m thinking that would be the best of both worlds. Less fish going in live wells and then you still have a live weight in when you crown a champion.
Just let them keep their biggest fish to show at each weigh in. weigh the rest and release them.
It would easily be the best solution.
And you have 5x less fish stressed in livewells.
Be hard to get enough people to weigh at every event. That would only cover the elite series and in the long run that doesn’t even really matter. It’s 9 events a year with 100 guys. The bass nation events, opens and stuff are way more fish
Very very informative. Thank you.
Great conversation. Thanks Chris and Trait.
Halfway done and gotta go to work...but a note to the haters....please stop being negative and watch the whole podcast BEFORE saying your piece...thank you!😅
Lol
As you say your piece halfway through lol
I enjoyed this one. Gene has a wealth of knowledge in the world of conservation. I remember working an elite event in I think Wisconsin (they all run together) and the local DNR was filleting bass for “research” and to prove some sort of point regarding mortality rates. I still don’t understand the what they were doing but they were literally setup at the event as a vendor style booth knocking the sides off of ‘em but it was a bad look.
The Bassmaster Classic definitely needs to quit hauling fish and go to a catch weigh and release format just like the MLF BPT tour. There is absolutely NO need to put that kind of stress on fish.
Boyd would be proud of you…
Great podcast. Very interesting, informative & educational.
Question then why do we have classics like for example, at grand Lake and we haul the fish all the way to Tulsa to do a weigh in?
The pod is 80 minutes long and has only been live for a whole 9 minutes. It’s worth watching from beginning to end
@@Zaldaingerous Im Watching ty
Great question Steve! I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is that's there's only eight venue's, meaning arenas to hold the expo along with being i think 90miles or 90 mins. From the lake. So there is only eight of them areas in North America.
@@nancyzipperer8819 Thank you!
Gene is the absolute best, really good episode guys!
Great interview! So informative and interesting. Great lighting too. 😁
The lighting is easy when the guest doesn’t wear a hat 😂
It was good to see the guests face well lit. Normally I feel like the guest is a little dark. Maybe from most wearing hats? Great information! I think a whole segment on fishcare on BASS website would be great.
Great one! Have seen many trophy bass die from my lakes due to the need to take 10 minutes of pics and livewelled all day for no good reason other than to show a 5 fish limit in a photo (a lot for guides promoting there business) nothing worse than finding teeners floating belly up in the lake! Great information on fish care guys!!!!!!
There’s definitely jackwagons that fish tournaments all they care about is the glory not what gets them the glory. And that’s the fish.
Been fishing tournaments for 40 yrs and have seen every dumby you can imagine thinking they’re KVD …all the while bringing half dead or just flat out dead fish to the scales..
Im so thankful for social media its finally exposing how bad the circuits are and people sre waking up to the b.s and they are on the decline ots only obvious u literrally can count the ppl. Clapping at a weigh in
That is obviously a false statement you just made.
I really enjoy this podcast. You guys are awesome!
Another banger coming I just know it. Thanks for this different discussion
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Really enjoyed this pod cast, as well as learned a lot from listening to Gene.. Thank you. Imam not a menber of BASS But I will be joining so I can do a small part to add a few bucks to help taking care of the fish I love to fish for, and help to keep the sport going for my kids just getting into fishing. Thanks again.
Thank you thank you thank you.! 4 year highschool boat captain here in Tennessee. We have a huge program and fish care is a huge problem. Education is a must. Pros need to use there influence on the kids to get the message out there. The dad's (boat captains) are a lost cause.
I have heard the mortality is awful for deep smallmouth , glad Gene brought it up. Too many tournaments. BASS made it famous and that was the end of the good fishing days .
Really good interview and advice. Well done all!
I love Trait. She reminds me of my wife. I’d probably be dead by now if I hadn’t married her. We were walking down the street and I said I’m hungry, she said no you’re not. My stomach said it was hungry until my wife told it it was not hungry. My wife saved me ten dollars that day. But I love her. And I sold my encyclopedia’s since I married her. 😳. Just kidding Trait!!!!! 👍😁🙏😊. Great video you two. It was full of real facts. And I agree with not having tournaments in the summer. My home lakes are Pickwick and Kentucky. When the big ones were on ledges the bass kill after a late June tournament was bad enough that I quit fishing tournaments for a while. Great video, yours are the best!!!!!
Thanks. This was a great podcast
Decimal dust or not the only right answer here for the fish is to use a catch, weigh, release format….problem is how do you make that fit into the tournament business model
I use to fish Jon boat tournaments on a small lake . Because we didn’t have quality live wells . We were allowed to weight in at any time during the day. If I caught a big fish I would weight it in early so I didn’t have to try and keep it alive.
Why hasn't all these podcast been available on Spotify?
So if delayed mortality is directly connected to water temps. Why the heck do they schedule smith lake in late june????
Great episode! I learned a lot.
Alot of knowledge here . Pretty interesting learning how fast fish will use up the oxygen in a weigh in bag
GREAT CONTENT
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I wonder his thoughts on cooling lakes, water temps change through out the whole lake +- 25 degrees at times depending on time of the year. They always run tournaments out of ours and water temps are over 100 degrees. Theres a lot of fish kills and a lot of dead fish on tournament days.
46:49 if you want a good substitute for using Mountain Dew, just use sugary water. Sweet tea is an excellent example of sugary water. Not highly acidic, not carbonated, and it tastes good and is better for you than Mountain Dew as well. Sugar is what helps coagulation of the blood the most from Mountain Dew. It helps thicken it. Corn syrup and water will do the same thing. Don’t wanna just choke them to death with straight corn syrup. But also having a little salt in your livewell will also help massively with coagulation. Sugary water is just sticky essentially. So it will stick to the fish long enough for the blood to coagulate and clot up on its own before it’s washed off. Tea also isn’t a major health risk for future consumption
The only problem with tournaments is that the larger fish are more subject to mortality because the larger fish are the ones that go to the weigh-in. This means the non-tournament angler like myself has less larger fish to fish for.
Please start uploading these podcast to spotify 🙏
Great guest.
GREAT interview! 👍👍👍👍
Great pod! Wow! He is a phenomenal speaker, great job by him. I took a LOT of things from this(made notes), but one monster nugget right from the jump: Not sure, just from a fans perspective, that nostalgic, old school leadership is the best course going forward. That's a knee jerk opinion, I might certainly be wrong. Awesome podcast though!
Todd Castledine!!! He's spoken much about the "O" situation. Some anglers use to keep tanks in their boats.
Are guys still using Catch and Release from back in the day? I know Doug Hannon spoke about utilizing this formula to remove contaminants help fish heal and replenish a slime coat without infections.
Why aren’t these on Apple podcast?!
2 things I wish was brought up.
1 do the ice bags or the ice from the store put any kind of chemicals into the livewell water if so does it harm the fish in anyway.
2nd since blauket was brought up does catching fish off bed increase a delayed mortality on those fish
you would think
at the level of mlf and bass they would make pros have chillers in the livewell
yes I know mlf catch release but only at the top level ..
I know this having a chiller in my livewell has had a huge huge difference in fishing living
Catch weigh release. I am guilty of killing alot of bass in my day through ignorance and good intentions. I was there on the one on Grand that was brought up. The lake I live on now there was 100 + boats most catching limits and 1 fish over 5. Very good fishermen. Thats sad
Gene sounds kinda like Mr. Rodger’s. Gene is a great asset to bass fishing!
Wait if Bassmaster doesn't recommend any live well water treatments then why at every high-school tournament or open I've been too have blue/green water in the waiting tanks?
I got to believe that you know which fish might not make it and which ones that are fine. I mostly fish night tournaments in the summer . So it’s not as hot . But the live well treatments I use plus hydrogen peroxide . The vast majority of the fish I cast are so lively you can’t grab them in the live well. I don’t typically use ice though. I change my water every couple hours .
Gene underestimates the amount of bass that are harvest and/or mishandled on a daily basis. I assume he doesn’t have a Facebook page. That’s all you need to realize the future of bass fishing is in peril.
My what a podcast
I am watching the recorded version of this podcast, alot was discussed about water tempatures and O2 levels. With as much as anglers are spending on electronics, why can't BASS & MLF require the boats to be epuiped with chillers and O2 bottles. Wouldn't this solve alot of the issues, I know what the chillers cost as I have opperated a fishtank that needed one to maintain the temp.? Can the organizations make thses rule change?
When’s the next podcast?
If people realize the effect social media has had on lakes. When a lake was on 25 years ago, it took months before word really got out and the army showed up. Now, with social media , the word goes around the world in one night. Add in a super effective harvester like FFS, and tge resource will never be the same. People getting them by the thousands each and every week. May take up catfishing.
Weird seeing his last name same as mine and spelled exactly the same i just dont see it alot lol .good show
I fish an extremely busy Lake Conroe. I may see a bass every now and then but most are catfish by far.
Chris, Big O Boats, (a custom boat builder in Florida), their Bass EliteX model has round livewells. The theory is that round livewells are safer for your catch. Maybe other bass boat manufacturers need to look into this, since like Gene said, bass spend ALOT of time in livewells during tournaments...BASS should look at this as well...
Big "O" or Storm also had coils around the livewell that circulated cold water to help keep them cool.
Interesting. I really like how Nitro does their livewells
@@Zaldaingerous I understand that's your sponsor but it's worth posing the question to them, especially if there is data that shows round livewelss are safer...
Gator Traxs boats here in Louisiana will do the round live wells as well. Definitely helps if you crappie fish a lot with shiners. They will put multiple cir pumps and install them to where the was moved in rotation and also add a bubble oxygenator.
@@peterlong9629Nitro’s have rounded corners and baffles to protect the fish. They’ve got a ton of research in that aspect because of Johnny’s emphasis on conservation.. I’m not just saying this because they are my sponsor
I have been fishing out of a skiff for bass since 2018. The best system no one utilizes is a fish basket. When we are traveling with the family we have a Ranger bass boat and a Piranha skiff. When we head in I can pull my catch out of the water and transfer to the Ranger for travel. If everyone used a better designed fish basket that was easily transferred from water to lifewell for traveling there would be no dead fish. I have never lost one to mortality swimming 🏊 n the lake it was caught out of. Just saying. A company should make a better fish basket that works inside lifewells like mine does.
Glad to hear my state of Arkansas is doing good. We just need some bigger fish up her in the NW corner.
I miss having Bull Shoals and Table Rock on the schedule
You need to come fish potholes reservoir, Washington state
I read that those oxygen bottles can be extremely explosive.
Yes extremely
I see guys on live catching deep fish and they don’t appear to be fizzing fish.
Depends on where the fish were. If they are suspended at 10’ over 60’ of water that’s not an issue compared to the fish sitting on the bottom at 30’.
You mean these 100k+ boats dont come with temp regulated/refrigerated livewells?!?!
This is how you save fish and dollars. Catch-Weigh-Release the fish where you catch them. Pretty simple solution.
Catch, weigh and release with a real score board is much better than stage weigh ins. BASS is spending a lot of time and money managing fish so anglers can show them to a couple thousand fans in attendance. Great show again!!
I agree with most of the things he says... however, salt decreases oxygen solubility in water. If we're already fighting the lack of dissolved oxygen levels, why the heck would you want to add salt? Seems like the risk far outweighs the benefits.
Ohh man, if simulation theory isn’t popping its head up. I was just sitting here thinking about what the tournament guys do when they catch a giant and it’s gotten hooked in the gills and pouring blood. It happens to everyone, but don’t you get fined for dead fish? How’s that work? P.S. right after I left the comment, you talked about it…..but still there’s times when they die in minutes, so what then?
I bet theres been a time where he had to specify what type of ice. 😂😂😂
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Feels like Bassmaster is like a fishing club. The old guys do the stuff that is about organizing and governance and all the young guys just want to fish and be cool. Not optimistic that the trade of professional bass fishing has a real chance to survive. I do think the box that finds the fish called FFS is the kill shot. Why fish if I can have an electronic box find fish for me. And if it’s electronic based I can do electronics at home. I can’t explain it but I lost all my mojo to buy lures and read about how guys won tournaments and found fish in past year. I can’t help how I’d feel and I know it’s not just me. My boat still has tarp on it in my driveway this year.
lol
I like the old man saying we used to keep the bass and eat them all, yeah they are 10k more people fishing now to haha
What about using Hydrogen Peroxide into a live well? Maybe a capful in each livewell. It’s H2O2, already dissolved oxygen.
Should they not invest in a refrigeration system for the tanks instead of worrying about all this ice? Seems kind of obvious to me, no?
Here's a question when an angler keeps an undersized fish, why doesn't b.a.s.s turn that angler and let them get fined for an undersized fish, they did break the law correct?
Why do you care about something that petty. No one is going to purposely bring a short fish to the scale .
I’ve measured a fish that was legal on my board . But was a little short on the tournament directors board .
@@timg185 sounds like u need a fine to me. With out rules and laws it'll be a free for all unfortunately the world is full of ppl like you that think everything is petty. I guess u don't think pros should set an example and have integrity
@@Theburningseason even the DNR usually won’t fine you for a fish that’s only like 1/16 under . Any decently ran tournament will check the length on any fish close to the length limit. So why would an angler intentionally bring one to the scales. They are also penalized for doing so. Disqualifications happen when you intentionally break a law . Or you gain an advantage by breaking the law . As a general rule of thumb.
You just sound like a Karen. Why would you even be concerned about this. It’s between the anglers , BASS and the DNR . But you seem to be the only one concerned about it.
@@timg185 Ok bud , I understand you don't respect environmental laws you made youre point, ig next time I fish a tourney I'll just break all the rules and say it wasn't intentional, not my fault the fish ate the lead weights it wasn't intentional
Such an important perspective to keep at the forefront!
I've used hydrogen peroxide for an oxygen boost for a few years, which seems to work great. Use an oz every 5 gallons good cheap alternative only a 1$ a bottle might wanna ask Gene about it
The state that has the WORST bass fishery program in the country has to hands down be Utah. Which is a shame since we have the Colorado running through our state, and the Colorado has produced some good lakes down in Nevada and AZ, but man our lakes got stocked literally ONE time with bass when the reservoirs were built and haven't been touched since. Flaming Gorge on the Wyoming border, the UT side is HORRIBLE compared to the WY side for Smallmouth. WY shut down live weigh tournaments for a LONG time to try and rebound their smallmouth, which worked incredibly well, last time I was on the WY side of Flaming Gorge my average smallmouth was probably around 3 pounds, I had a 6 and a bunch of 4s, then some smaller ones of course. There was an article on Bassmaster about it WY shutting down live weigh tournaments there actually.
Can you not add hydrogen peroxide to add oxygen ?
Catch Weigh and Release is really the best way to go IMO. Weigh in's are boring and obsolete IMO. We talk about technology and yet we are so primitive in our scoring and bringing em in to weigh?
I know we will always lose a certain number of fish due to trauma or whatever. Before folks say I am hating and saying MLF is better etc.
Gene’s pyramid concept was good. Another example why catch, weigh, and release is better for the fish. The tourney folks cull the smallest and keep the biggest. The smaller ones have a better chance to survive then the one being held.
What about mandatory educational seminars on this? Where you earn a card, like a boater safety card, and it’s needed to fish sanctioned tournaments? Then the angler must uphold the responsibility out there on the water. Can’t control delayed mortality. But if an angler brings in dead fish time and time again. Stiffer penalties than just weight. I’m all for it.
I know new boats are ridiculous now. But you should some of the clowns in the smaller tournament circuits. Some of the live wells should get them disqualified immediately…
Oregon hates bass it seems like to me! I understand there in some places they were introduced but still it seems like they want them gone!
We need a hood fishing entertainment interview
Definitely not
One suggestion for B.A.S.S for the live release boat person who takes our fish after weigh in at the opens lets make sure that guy gets a bathroom break during the event instead of peeing inside of the live release tank......ASK ME HOW I KNOW?! 😅
Because you’re a meat gazer 😂 is how you know.
@@jmccOutdoors Negative Batman….He had his back to me when I was trying to hand him my fish…..
Immediate catch and release
- ALL TOURNAMENTS
or don't have them, it's not about $$$
Temp controled live wells for all boats...bass needs to force manufactors to create. Let them use nets. And force DR to take all fish for study!
You paying for this expensive live well upgrade?
Never understood the no net rule.
@@devinwillis7787 Sure as hell not. I catch and release. Thats Bass/Boat Makers/and local fundings job. It would easy to create a inline water chiller to generate a set temp determined by a tournment offical for less then $100.
@@devinwillis7787adding a few grand to current prices wouldn’t be a big difference sadly
Again, with great technology comes greater responsibility...
It's 2024 do people really careto see someone holding up 2 half dead fish? Do ppl even go to weigh ins anymore? I've never been to one I can't imagine it's exciting, but then again I don't respect 90 percent of pros cause ik all the b.s that goes on, new anglers have no ideA
Just do what BPT does catch weigh release. The worst of bag weigh is that those are the largest fish in the lake. The breeders. And five fish is just plain boring to watch. Make it illegal to sell a boat with a livewell. Keep and kill for food, or let them go immediately.
Can still do biggest 5 and release every fish.
Catch weigh release
I hate the MLF. Can’t stand the organization. But the one thing they do right is weigh and release. What I don’t understand is why no tournament organization allows landing nets? Constant talk about stress on fish, why stress them out even more right next to the boat?
Texas has to be the best hands down ! Pa got to be the worst
Kind shoots a hole in Randy blockheads theories
I'm sorry I just can't keep watching this guy talk like a politician. He talks about all these partners and conservation. In order to have healthy fish, you first have to have healthy lakes. Why doesn't he talk about all the over spraying that is killing the grass in Florida lakes or other states. I enjoy your watching your Podcast normally, but not this one.
Spraying is not the same topic, thats state regulators, not up to bass… fish care is important, bass does a outstanding job on fish care at the tanks! As a angler its your job to take care of the fish tell its back in the water… considering back in the day fish were held on stringers, most those fish never made it back to the lake.. I think bass has done well.
He didn't talk about those things because that's not what he was there for. He was there to talk directly about tournament fishing aspects. That's like having a debate about apples and asking why he isn't talking about oranges.
He’s talked about that in the past on other podcasts like Bass Talk Live. It’s not a 6 hour podcast so not every topic can be covered. I guess most folks can understand that…
That was my thoughts exactly when he said he might know someone that does when it comes to conservation
I just finished the Harris chain this past weekend and it is terrible what they have sprayed
not the topic i’m sure he could elaborate on a scientific level when it would apply this video is about mortality and tournament fishing my guy