They've got to take that very visible, invisible door all the way down from the top of that tower, then aprox 50 miles to the mountain where i guess they will seamlessly install said door? Was Narvi even there to help make this door? Seems like it would be something they'd do together on site, rather than in a workshop. I found this to be a very strange take on how the Door came to be. Like..an afterthought or a plot to device simply so we can see Sauron pout.
@@trentlevesque2603 we actually discussed this on our full podcast breakdown of the episode how it may actually have been a butterfly effect afterthought from the scene in season 1 where Elrond wasn't allowed into Khazad-Dum so good catch!
@@mellonheads Ahhh i barely remember season 1, but that's interesting. It seems to be a growing trend where the writing focuses on the wrong event, or character, in order to move the story forward, instead of giving it the focus and attention it deserves. Considering they have the time and money to delve into the worldbuilding and famous events from the 2nd Age, you'd think they would do more of that, and less of developing made up characters and storylines.
Completely agree - they should have had a big reveal under MOONLIGHT!!!! It would have been so much cooler!! Was still awesome to see these doors appear on the show!
I do think that the doors will show up again. Maybe the way Robert suggested on your podcast that perhaps Sauron will attempt to get in and can't find a doorway. I think that would really cool
the doors of Durin are not finished at that point.. the mithril mixture will be filled into the carvings the dwarves did.. you see it later on Celebrimbors table.. thats why you are able to see 'the invisible door' in the beginning.. but later it will be invisible once all the work is done ;)
@@Sarah_jm_1993 revealing the beautiful work of the dwarves to his students seems to be a nice thing to do.. escpcially since Celebrimbor really wanted to deepen the friendship between dwarves and elves.. so why not celebrate them.. seems nice :)
I wish I could understand your teleportation issue. Why is the passage of time such a difficult concept for you to comprehend? I don’t need to see grass growing. I thank the show and movies for time compression and wish it had happened in the books.
@@user-ih6lh5sg3l It's not us that don't understand the concept of time passing, it's possibly the show runners. If the the show allows characters to jump from scene to scene within locations that are weeks journeys apart, then the world just feels small and it takes you out of the believability. It's not the biggest issue but when a show does it right, it's noticable. Take for example Game of Thrones, there might be an issue in Kings landing that affects the starks in winterfell. In the show, they would have to send a raven or travel and we would see the issues they faced on their journey or the consequences of being so far apart and it really invests you in the world building, whereas this show seems to just cut corners and assume travelling is almost a modern concept. We actually know how long it would take to make these journeys so that's the issue. Heck what would Lord of the Rings be about if they just skipped all the stuff in between the shire to Mordor?
For me the issue is continuity - for example, people magically run/ride back and forth from Mordor to Eregion, from Eregion to Lindon, from Lindon to the Gray Havens, off screen. But at the same time as all this 'fast travel' is happening, other people are moving very slowly because time is of the essence. For example, Durin and Dissa go back and forth twice from Khazadum to Eregion in the same episode that Elrond is sprinting back from the Barrow Downs to Lindon. both distances would be about the same, 50-80 miles give or take, but because time is only important to the storyline in one of those scenes, it's only shown in one of those storylines, and completely ignored in the other. This is sloppy writing. Also, we don't even see an entire army march from Mordor to Eregion. However, they pass dwarf and elf lands to get there in just 1 episode. Galadriel shouts 'these are elven lands!' but nobody saw that to be true, and clearly no elves live there to report said army. In a previous episode someone says 'we had several scouts report that Sauron had entered Mordor' notwithstanding that they didn't know what he looked like, it implied elven scouts are watching their lands. Where are those scouts when Adar moves across the entire continent? So again, just sloppy, bad, awful writing, designed to move a plot along, not provide any sense of grandeur to the world we all want to see more of.
It's just so annoying to jump from scene to scene and often landing with some melodramatic nonsense instead of developing the characters. That's kind of how I felt about the scene. Yes, the visuals all look great. But the door just seemed like an afterthought or a member berry.
They've got to take that very visible, invisible door all the way down from the top of that tower, then aprox 50 miles to the mountain where i guess they will seamlessly install said door? Was Narvi even there to help make this door? Seems like it would be something they'd do together on site, rather than in a workshop. I found this to be a very strange take on how the Door came to be. Like..an afterthought or a plot to device simply so we can see Sauron pout.
@@trentlevesque2603 we actually discussed this on our full podcast breakdown of the episode how it may actually have been a butterfly effect afterthought from the scene in season 1 where Elrond wasn't allowed into Khazad-Dum so good catch!
@@mellonheads Ahhh i barely remember season 1, but that's interesting. It seems to be a growing trend where the writing focuses on the wrong event, or character, in order to move the story forward, instead of giving it the focus and attention it deserves. Considering they have the time and money to delve into the worldbuilding and famous events from the 2nd Age, you'd think they would do more of that, and less of developing made up characters and storylines.
I was really looking forward to seeing these two master craftsmen teaming up but alas another missed opportunity for this show!
Hopefully there could be some more scenes together but I agree, it's not quite what we'd hoped for!
Completely agree - they should have had a big reveal under MOONLIGHT!!!! It would have been so much cooler!! Was still awesome to see these doors appear on the show!
Ah can you just imagine how cool that reveal would've been!!! Hope we get to see them in place & illuminated soon!!!
I do think that the doors will show up again. Maybe the way Robert suggested on your podcast that perhaps Sauron will attempt to get in and can't find a doorway. I think that would really cool
Omg that would be so great!!! We'll have to wait and see!!!
the doors of Durin are not finished at that point.. the mithril mixture will be filled into the carvings the dwarves did.. you see it later on Celebrimbors table.. thats why you are able to see 'the invisible door' in the beginning.. but later it will be invisible once all the work is done ;)
Then why have a big curtain reveal if the project isn't finished? Seems dumb...
@@Sarah_jm_1993 revealing the beautiful work of the dwarves to his students seems to be a nice thing to do.. escpcially since Celebrimbor really wanted to deepen the friendship between dwarves and elves.. so why not celebrate them.. seems nice :)
If this is what's happening then that seems really cool!! Great comment!!
It's a Tolkien design. It appears in the books.
Thanks!!! - Amazing design!!!
I wish I could understand your teleportation issue. Why is the passage of time such a difficult concept for you to comprehend? I don’t need to see grass growing. I thank the show and movies for time compression and wish it had happened in the books.
@@user-ih6lh5sg3l It's not us that don't understand the concept of time passing, it's possibly the show runners. If the the show allows characters to jump from scene to scene within locations that are weeks journeys apart, then the world just feels small and it takes you out of the believability. It's not the biggest issue but when a show does it right, it's noticable. Take for example Game of Thrones, there might be an issue in Kings landing that affects the starks in winterfell. In the show, they would have to send a raven or travel and we would see the issues they faced on their journey or the consequences of being so far apart and it really invests you in the world building, whereas this show seems to just cut corners and assume travelling is almost a modern concept. We actually know how long it would take to make these journeys so that's the issue. Heck what would Lord of the Rings be about if they just skipped all the stuff in between the shire to Mordor?
For me the issue is continuity - for example, people magically run/ride back and forth from Mordor to Eregion, from Eregion to Lindon, from Lindon to the Gray Havens, off screen. But at the same time as all this 'fast travel' is happening, other people are moving very slowly because time is of the essence. For example, Durin and Dissa go back and forth twice from Khazadum to Eregion in the same episode that Elrond is sprinting back from the Barrow Downs to Lindon. both distances would be about the same, 50-80 miles give or take, but because time is only important to the storyline in one of those scenes, it's only shown in one of those storylines, and completely ignored in the other. This is sloppy writing.
Also, we don't even see an entire army march from Mordor to Eregion. However, they pass dwarf and elf lands to get there in just 1 episode. Galadriel shouts 'these are elven lands!' but nobody saw that to be true, and clearly no elves live there to report said army. In a previous episode someone says 'we had several scouts report that Sauron had entered Mordor' notwithstanding that they didn't know what he looked like, it implied elven scouts are watching their lands. Where are those scouts when Adar moves across the entire continent? So again, just sloppy, bad, awful writing, designed to move a plot along, not provide any sense of grandeur to the world we all want to see more of.
Tbf it is hard to say Doors of Durin hahaha
Right!??? Thank you 😂
It's just so annoying to jump from scene to scene and often landing with some melodramatic nonsense instead of developing the characters.
That's kind of how I felt about the scene. Yes, the visuals all look great. But the door just seemed like an afterthought or a member berry.
Yes I agree, but I was particularly impressed with the pacing of this most recent episode. Probably the best paced episode yet in both seasons!