Thank you for this great episode.I was a always wondering how medival parents coped with the loss of their children. I thought they were far less affected by it.B.Tuchman stated that they didn't love their children, and didn't care so much.But Henry's and Elizabeth's example show that it wasn't less painful for them as it would be for us today. Maybe people and their feelings didn't change that much after all. I was also wondering if Henry's reign was negatively affected in his final years, because he saw Henry ( his second son) not in a favourable light and didn't want him to become king. After all, he was pretty much the spitting image of his maternal grandfather and resembled him very much.But his father wanted to build a new dynasty.Henry wasn't what he really wanted.
@@jackdoe4632 I'm referring to Edward the fourth, king of England, husband to Elisabeth Woodville, brother of Richard the third, son of Richard of York and Cecily Neville, 1442 - 1483. He was a yorkist king, said to be very attractive in his youth, great on the battlefield. He won the throne twice during the wars of the roses and was popular among the people.He was the older brother of Richard the third.
Ah yes, of course. I can see the likeness. I am reading a book by J.D. Trowe about the murder of his grandson Arthur and the Princes in the Tower.@@charlottepeukert9095
I read somwhere else that Henry VII and Henry viii had a very tense relationship, and that he hated his father, i can see how after working tirelessly to construct a new dinasty, he lost Arthur, the favorite son who was prepared since birth for kingship, and he was left with his impetous and airheaded second son, Henry father was a really cunning character so he must have known the boy would ruin himself and the country, but he just couldnt picture how much, he would be rolling in his grave if he had known the shennanigans of his son
Thank you very much. Poor Arthur , he gets overlooked doesn’t he because of the antics of his younger brother. Wonder what it would have been like if he’d lived. It’s always ‘what if’s’ isn’t it? No one will ever know but Catherine was so very religious , would she risk her immortal soul for a lie. But, after Arthur died she was left in such penury ( that is not to Henry the V11’s credit - and all for money) that perhaps she thought it was her destiny after all. I don’t think there was a cause stated about her returning home. She’d been raised since about 3 years old to be Queen of England. We’ll never know. I like Catherine . I’ve always had a great admiration for her and she was such a pretty girl. Henry was happy with her. If only she’d have been able to bear a living son, destiny could have been very different. Her parents etc had no trouble bearing children , makes you wonder. Was it something wrong with Catherine, was it Henry or was it one of those things that, if with another , could have been different. Doesn’t really sound like Henry the VIII did very good in that area. Thank you 🙏👵🇦🇺
No disrespect, but find listening to words mispronounced, and an American accent when discussing Tudor history, a lot of which is supposition, especially about Prince Arthur, very off putting.
Please listen to some of the newer episodes as well. It's back to just me (Rebecca) as host - and while I'm also American I hope you can tell that I am the main host and founder of the podcast. Please remember, it's not always easy for Americans to pronounce your names correctly. Thanks for listening!
Thank you, Arthur does not get the credit he deserves.
I live near Ludlow Castle and everytime I visit I imagine him and Katherine living there.
What credit does he deserve. He did nothing.
Thank you for this great episode.I was a always wondering how medival parents coped with the loss of their children.
I thought they were far less affected by it.B.Tuchman stated that they didn't love their children, and didn't care so much.But Henry's and Elizabeth's example show that it wasn't less painful for them as it would be for us today. Maybe people and their feelings didn't change that much after all.
I was also wondering if Henry's reign was negatively affected in his final years, because he saw Henry ( his second son) not in a favourable light and didn't want him to become king. After all, he was pretty much the spitting image of his maternal grandfather and resembled him very much.But his father wanted to build a new dynasty.Henry wasn't what he really wanted.
Who was the maternal grandfather, why don't you say.
@@jackdoe4632
I'm referring to Edward the fourth, king of England, husband to Elisabeth Woodville, brother of Richard the third, son of Richard of York and Cecily Neville, 1442 - 1483.
He was a yorkist king, said to be very attractive in his youth, great on the battlefield. He won the throne twice during the wars of the roses and was popular among the people.He was the older brother of Richard the third.
Ah yes, of course. I can see the likeness. I am reading a book by J.D. Trowe about the murder of his grandson Arthur and the Princes in the Tower.@@charlottepeukert9095
I read somwhere else that Henry VII and Henry viii had a very tense relationship, and that he hated his father, i can see how after working tirelessly to construct a new dinasty, he lost Arthur, the favorite son who was prepared since birth for kingship, and he was left with his impetous and airheaded second son, Henry father was a really cunning character so he must have known the boy would ruin himself and the country, but he just couldnt picture how much, he would be rolling in his grave if he had known the shennanigans of his son
Thank you very much. Poor Arthur , he gets overlooked doesn’t he because of the antics of his younger brother. Wonder what it would have been like if he’d lived. It’s always ‘what if’s’ isn’t it? No one will ever know but Catherine was so very religious , would she risk her immortal soul for a lie. But, after Arthur died she was left in such penury ( that is not to Henry the V11’s credit - and all for money) that perhaps she thought it was her destiny after all. I don’t think there was a cause stated about her returning home. She’d been raised since about 3 years old to be Queen of England. We’ll never know. I like Catherine . I’ve always had a great admiration for her and she was such a pretty girl. Henry was happy with her. If only she’d have been able to bear a living son, destiny could have been very different. Her parents etc had no trouble bearing children , makes you wonder. Was it something wrong with Catherine, was it Henry or was it one of those things that, if with another , could have been different. Doesn’t really sound like Henry the VIII did very good in that area. Thank you 🙏👵🇦🇺
Mary 1 looked like Elizabeth of York. Cancer is very rare in the young. Most people died of infectious disease.
Arthur almost certainly died of sweating sickness. Catherine caught this disease at the same time. She survived, he didn't.
He gets overlooked because he died without achieving anything of note
My book about what if arthur hadn't died will be out later this year 🥰👑
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No disrespect, but find listening to words mispronounced, and an American accent when discussing Tudor history, a lot of which is supposition, especially about Prince Arthur, very off putting.
Please listen to some of the newer episodes as well. It's back to just me (Rebecca) as host - and while I'm also American I hope you can tell that I am the main host and founder of the podcast. Please remember, it's not always easy for Americans to pronounce your names correctly. Thanks for listening!