Great explanation, I found for size 16 hooks, holding the tag end with forceps and letting them hang allows a gap big enough for the third pass through the eye.
Great knot and explanation much better than the one I use. I tried/tied it for the first time today, I think I may have accidentally made a slight improvement (it may have been done before) Before the whip I folded the tag end back to try and make some more room for the final pass through the eye and whipped over it along with the loop, the tag end is cut off close to the hair/loop rather than at the eye. I think it locks the loop with no chance it pulling free and the tag end is barely noticeable. Sorry if that's a bit long winded. Geoff
I've just tied some up this way using, hybrid power mono in 0.16mm or 6.60 lbs , Guru barbless size 16 QM1 hooks, Small Middy Latex Pellet Bait Bands 6mm to 14mm pellets, would recommend using these tackle items, great video guys 🇬🇧 ✊🏼
I just tied it using 0.17 guru Ngauge line with a 16 guru pellet waggler hook, and although it was finnicky, i did manage to pass the line through 3 times. It is def a lot lot neater with a 6mm coppens pellet in the band.thanks for the info.
Will it make a difference to the bait presentation or to the fish if I put a tiny bit of pole silicone rubber over the knot/eye of the hook to help the angle of the hook
Is it possible to achieve this without passing the hair loop through the hook eye twice? Can you keep one end loose held against the shank of the hook and trap it with the knot less knot? Only reason I ask is that the eyes on my hooks are small and only allow the line to be passed through twice total.
I notice you are using 0.13 line. This way of tying a band would be very difficult when using 0.19 and 0.22. I use te same patterns as you, and find it a bit hard getting the line through twice on the diameters i just mentioned, but on a positive, this is the first time I seen it done this way, and it is def a lot lot tidier..
I learned this method of tying watching Paul Hollands' video.....how do you pass the line 3 times through a Guru QM1 hook in their smaller sizes? I find twice is difficult!
Hi - I think they are an American fly tying scissor called Dr Slick. But I think braid scissors need to have a slight serrated edge to the blade so I do think they'd work. I've got an pair of ridge monkey braid scissors that are OK.
*Perfect size hook for hatchery catfish that weigh between 3-5 lbs. my lip hook almost all the time unless your bait is very much desired by the fish>>> **allabout.wiki/1004** It's very durable made from hardened steel, I believe. You can use it over and over. It never rusts in my tackle bag. I use a knot less snell with a 25 lb mono filament leader line from Kastking for this hook. Its point is very sharp and can easily land a thieving fish. We landed many catfish with this hook. Best purchased in packs of 25 which should last you throughout the season.*
Cheers. which hooks of size 16 would you recommend i use for tying these banded hair rigs? would you say the Guru MWG barbless ones would be good? i have those but in size 14 for hair rigs that i tied (normal hair rigs without bands).
Cheers. We have some freezing weather coming this weekend. I plan to fish next Wednesday, it should start to get mild by Tuesday do you think it'll be tough? and would it be worth taking pellets? I'm thinking just bread, pinkies and sweetcorn but I'm not sure. Looking to fish a very small one acre lake only about 5 foot deep at the most. Theres' another lake which gets to about 11 foot deep so I'm not sure what to do.
🤔 hmmm....that shouldn't happen. Worth checking out Paul Holland's TH-cam channel...he has a video on it too. You may be able to spot where it's going wrong - good luck!
Great explanation, I found for size 16 hooks, holding the tag end with forceps and letting them hang allows a gap big enough for the third pass through the eye.
Great knot and explanation much better than the one I use. I tried/tied it for the first time today, I think I may have accidentally made a slight improvement (it may have been done before) Before the whip I folded the tag end back to try and make some more room for the final pass through the eye and whipped over it along with the loop, the tag end is cut off close to the hair/loop rather than at the eye. I think it locks the loop with no chance it pulling free and the tag end is barely noticeable. Sorry if that's a bit long winded. Geoff
I've just tied some up this way using, hybrid power mono in 0.16mm or 6.60 lbs , Guru barbless size 16 QM1 hooks, Small Middy Latex Pellet Bait Bands 6mm to 14mm pellets, would recommend using these tackle items, great video guys 🇬🇧 ✊🏼
Great video, looks really neat I'll give it a go
Brilliant!!! Well explained. I’ve just tried this and done it first time. Thank you.
My goto way of tieing bands/quickstops now
Works perfectly with Preston KKM-Bs and any diameter line (I use Matrix Power Micron X upto .018mm)
I just tied it using 0.17 guru Ngauge line with a 16 guru pellet waggler hook, and although it was finnicky, i did manage to pass the line through 3 times. It is def a lot lot neater with a 6mm coppens pellet in the band.thanks for the info.
I can't quite see which way you pass the line through thev2nd time, is it always through the back of the hook ?
Will it make a difference to the bait presentation or to the fish if I put a tiny bit of pole silicone rubber over the knot/eye of the hook to help the angle of the hook
Awsome tried, love it 😀
I think you would have to sacrifice line diameter to be able to use this rig.
Is it possible to achieve this without passing the hair loop through the hook eye twice? Can you keep one end loose held against the shank of the hook and trap it with the knot less knot?
Only reason I ask is that the eyes on my hooks are small and only allow the line to be passed through twice total.
There is.....check out Paul Holland's channel on TH-cam. It can be done but a little fiddly
Just seen this....not as tidy but works th-cam.com/video/6EmDKl2Hk9Y/w-d-xo.html
Now that looks easy. Very well explained, thanks!
Excellent. Very clearly explained.
I notice you are using 0.13 line. This way of tying a band would be very difficult when using 0.19 and 0.22. I use te same patterns as you, and find it a bit hard getting the line through twice on the diameters i just mentioned, but on a positive, this is the first time I seen it done this way, and it is def a lot lot tidier..
I learned this method of tying watching Paul Hollands' video.....how do you pass the line 3 times through a Guru QM1 hook in their smaller sizes? I find twice is difficult!
Patrick walker it's not easy!! With the very small hooks there will be a limit to the diameter you can get away with
Thanks for reply....have now seen Pauls second part video where he explains a slightly different way of tying smaller diameter hooks sizes
Patrick walker yeah....that was too tricky for me 😀
HI David, good video pls are the scissors any good for cutting braid if so where did you purchase them ,regards Terry.
Hi - I think they are an American fly tying scissor called Dr Slick. But I think braid scissors need to have a slight serrated edge to the blade so I do think they'd work. I've got an pair of ridge monkey braid scissors that are OK.
Just checked - these ones are a make called Anvil
*Perfect size hook for hatchery catfish that weigh between 3-5 lbs. my lip hook almost all the time unless your bait is very much desired by the fish>>> **allabout.wiki/1004** It's very durable made from hardened steel, I believe. You can use it over and over. It never rusts in my tackle bag. I use a knot less snell with a 25 lb mono filament leader line from Kastking for this hook. Its point is very sharp and can easily land a thieving fish. We landed many catfish with this hook. Best purchased in packs of 25 which should last you throughout the season.*
I've seen different sizes of bands, what size pellets would you use for the band you have in this video? i've seen much smaller bands.
cns180784 hi - these are 4mm diameter bands. You could hold 4mm but I tend only use 6&8mm pellets. I got them off eBay so not 100% the make.
Cheers. which hooks of size 16 would you recommend i use for tying these banded hair rigs? would you say the Guru MWG barbless ones would be good? i have those but in size 14 for hair rigs that i tied (normal hair rigs without bands).
The MWG would be fine. I use the B911, QM1, pellet waggler or the LWG
Cheers. We have some freezing weather coming this weekend. I plan to fish next Wednesday, it should start to get mild by Tuesday do you think it'll be tough? and would it be worth taking pellets? I'm thinking just bread, pinkies and sweetcorn but I'm not sure. Looking to fish a very small one acre lake only about 5 foot deep at the most. Theres' another lake which gets to about 11 foot deep so I'm not sure what to do.
Yeah I recon it will be tough! I'm having a week off after coming last on the best peg in the winter league 😉
How do you add corn to that
How to you put the pellet on the hair rig with the elastic band?
There are a number of tools on the market but I trap the band against the pellet with my nail and then stretch it over.
Thanks
Didn't work for me, the loop closes when you pull on the main line.
🤔 hmmm....that shouldn't happen. Worth checking out Paul Holland's TH-cam channel...he has a video on it too. You may be able to spot where it's going wrong - good luck!
@@thegrumpyblenny OK thanks.
Check this version out from Jamie Hughes. Not as tidy but a bit easier th-cam.com/video/6EmDKl2Hk9Y/w-d-xo.html
Thats a QM1 in the video isnt it? and what size is it? chhers.
Wow thank you so easy. Aubrey Norfolk
Brilliant thanks for making the video
Hold the hook and pull the band really quite hard watch what happens
Speak a little louder.